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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1867
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   4:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

Every suckling babe knows that these were not the grounds employed to bludgeon un into acquiescence in the assault on what was left of Saddam's truncated republic.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass- rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

None of which was any of our g-damned business. And thanks for your touching concern for the people of Iraq, but again, nothing which Saddam did in his own country begins to approach in scale the hammering that the Iraqi people got in the wake of our invasion. Neither did it justify the vast treasure squandered there.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

Eff the Dutch. They're a bit more than a day late and a dollar short. It's us that I'm concerned about. We won't see the light until we're good and broke. We're well on the way there now.

randge  posted on  2010-01-15   11:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am not surprised you both believe that dictators should not be held to the agreements they make.

Your historical revision is sickening, randge.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   17:13:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Enjoy your war.

randge  posted on  2010-01-15   21:40:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Enjoy your war.

Enjoy your willful ignorance.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   22:23:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Like I say, enjoy your war.

It's going to be a long one.

You and I and all of us here may not see the end of it.

randge  posted on  2010-01-16   8:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Like I say, enjoy your war.

It's going to be a long one.

Are talking about the war you and your allies wage against the U.S. culture and U.S. people?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-16   16:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wage no war, sir.

I am against this war for strategic reasons and moral reasons. I have precious few allies. I have so few allies, that even on this board on which there are many anti-war types, no one else has raised a voice to oppose you or support the claims that I've made. Maybe they're just exhausted from years of jawboning this thing.

I will say first of all that this war as it has been waged is strategically wrong-headed. In brief, I believe that it is causing more unrest, violence and opposition than it can ever put down even with all its resources. Islamism, which I have as much distate for as any other ecclasiastically based movement that seeks total power, is fed mountains of propaganda fodder by the mere fact of our massed armed presence in Muslim territory. Our methods and actions there, particularly those of our contractors and freebooters there feeds the rage both the religious and the nationalists there. Our actions are only suited to create an equal and opposite reaction. Conventional forces can never win a war of this kind.

I also believe that this war is immoral. We encouraged Saddam in his war on Iran and we were the chief suppliers of arms and materiel to him during and after that war. In the UN report prior to our invasion which we tried have kept secret but which was accessed by journalists, it was documented that Western countries supplied the overwhelming share of armaments and military hardware given Saddam from the outside. The two countries at the top of that list were the US and the UK. That was followed by Germany, Italy and France, if I remember correctly. This includes is not limited to weapons of mass destruction such as bio agents and gas weapons. (What was left of those after he was required to destroy these weapons in the wake of the first Gulf war is a still a matter of dispute among the hard headed. It's my belief that what was left was strategically insignificant.)

But be all this as it may, it's my point here that we were glad to feed a dictator who marauded his own people while he was marauding them, and that we turned a blind eye to his tyranny when it suited our purposes. Then later when it also suited us, we vented the fury that people here felt after 911 on Iraq, turning our attention from Afghanistan where there actually were al Q'aeda to Iraq where there were none. The Iraqi people paid a huge price for our failure to capture bin Ladin. The war we gave them was a punishmment that the Iraqi people did not deserve.

If you travel about the globe, our actions are widely seen as hypocritical. While some people in this country may not care in the least how we are seen abroad, our actions have cost us greatly in political capital and goodwill. And now eight years on, we see conflict metastisizing into Pakistan and now into Yemen. There's no telling where or how this will end or what the end game is supposed to be. I wish someone would tell me where all this is going.

You accuse me of waging war. You are joking of course. The State has 7 carrier groups at it's disposal, vast networks of bases and big guns, resources on land, sea, air and in space and human and electronic intelligence capabilities at work all over the globe. The State also has had the grudging acceptance of the American people in employing all of these resources in fighting wars that have yielded them no benefit and have cost them plenty in terms of treasure and of life and limb. On the other side, there are just a few puny voices. A few anti- war folks like myself who only type out words on paper and on screens like this one. That's hardly a war.

It is the State that rules over us and dictates what it thinks the relevant facts are and that picks our pockets to fight conflicts that WE CANNOT EVEN PAY FOR that is fighting a war. IT has had free rein to fight this war. No one is really putting up a fight here against it. These are the facts as I see them. I speak for no one but myself here. I don't fight for Muslims, or Islamists or Arabs or for anyone else that we see as opposed to us. I am devoted only to my country, and I am sorely grieved to see it headed down the wrong road.

randge  posted on  2010-01-16   19:11:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your post is a keeper. Thanks for the clear passion about your sentiment. We need a few more million just like you to kick ALL the political scalawags out of Washington DC.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   18:18:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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