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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1772
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   4:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity

Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   9:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   9:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.

Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   10:40:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.

Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.

We got into a lot of thuggish habits in the Cold War fighting those thugs, the communists.

randge  posted on  2010-01-18   11:01:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   11:08:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   11:48:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

I find it interesting that out one side of your mouth you bitch about big government and the welfare state while out the other are an apologist for big government and the warfare state. What's even more interesting is that you do not see the contradictions.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:01:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-18   12:04:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...

Then they need to quit bitching about big government. Big government and a loss of liberties walks hand-in-hand with the warfare state. In a warfare state, EVERYONE is an enemy to the state until proven otherwise. There must be a surveillance society and police state in order to protect the government from the "enemy" and that surveillance society and police state takes money to run it, therefore taxes have to be high.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:10:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-18   12:12:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...

I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

A lot of people suffer from "cognitive dissonance". They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   20:36:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

No one on this site preaches against the U.S. The people on this site preach against the federal government. It is no ones fault but your own that your are too sycophantic to understand the difference.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   22:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No one on this site preaches against the U.S.

*Falls over laughing*

I just cannot help laughing.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   23:49:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

*Falls over laughing*

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution. Do you really believe all these foreign interventionist affairs has yielded you increased individual liberties?

If not ... how come? Our national government was designed to hold individual liberties and freedoms and rights as the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

If so ... where are these liberties?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   0:30:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   1:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Hmmmmmmm?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   1:40:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Your question is based off a false assumption. It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:18:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

here's how 9/11 must have happened....

osama was on the internet one day, and stumbled across PNAC's call for a new pearl harbor, and osama sez to himself, "huh! i'll fix those guys' wagons! i will stage a new pearl harbor for them! ...and everyone will think those assholes from PNAC dun it!"

so osama rigged the 2000 election so the signers of the PNAC document, people like cheney, rumsfeld and the usual assortment of likud loons, got installed into positions that would have enabled them to make 9/11 happen, had they been inclined to make 9/11 happen, which they were most definitely NOT ---despite their yearnings for a new pearl harbor as expressed in the PNAC document they signed.....

then osama organized everything, from the training of the pilots to the security at the airports to the standdown at NORAD to oneill's job at the trade center, including bunnypants' month-long absence from dc while the shit was coming down.

osama even dispatched five mossad guys to film the event....

well, you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men... little did osama know that the PNAC guys had enough juice to reverse the frameup, and osama found hisself dragging his dialysis machine from pillar to post in an effort to escape the wrath of PNAC.

it's a sad sad thing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:25:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

here's how 9/11 must have happened....

If 9-11 was a single event, you might have a leg to stand one. But there were a number of terrorist attacks on the U.S. leading up to 9-11. The first World Trade Center bombing, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the twin bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Africa.

Each attack was bigger than the previous, leading up to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:36:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

why doesnt the fbi include 9/11 on osama's wanted poster?

why did mueller confess he had no evidence of bin laden's involvement?

why didnt bunnypants give the taliban proof of bin laden's involvement when the taliban offered to surrender bin laden if bunnypants could scrounge up evidence?

why did PNAC say they needed "a new pearl harbor"?

do you think it's convenient that those PNAC signatories were installed into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member?

who dispatched the dancing israelis to "document the event"?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:41:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: PaulCJ (#88) (Edited)

Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

why do you refuse to admit that neocons admitted that they needed an excuse to grab oil and land in the middle east?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19 03:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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