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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
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A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution. Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.
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_________________________________________________________________________ Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War. This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles. The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.
Good - time to put a bunch of Jewish led neocons in jail.
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Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War. Every suckling babe knows that these were not the grounds employed to bludgeon un into acquiescence in the assault on what was left of Saddam's truncated republic. This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass- rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles. None of which was any of our g-damned business. And thanks for your touching concern for the people of Iraq, but again, nothing which Saddam did in his own country begins to approach in scale the hammering that the Iraqi people got in the wake of our invasion. Neither did it justify the vast treasure squandered there. The Dutch just were not looking hard enough. Eff the Dutch. They're a bit more than a day late and a dollar short. It's us that I'm concerned about. We won't see the light until we're good and broke. We're well on the way there now.
I am not surprised you both believe that dictators should not be held to the agreements they make. Your historical revision is sickening, randge.
Enjoy your war.
Enjoy your willful ignorance.
Like I say, enjoy your war. It's going to be a long one. You and I and all of us here may not see the end of it.
It's going to be a long one. Are talking about the war you and your allies wage against the U.S. culture and U.S. people?
I wage no war, sir. I am against this war for strategic reasons and moral reasons. I have precious few allies. I have so few allies, that even on this board on which there are many anti-war types, no one else has raised a voice to oppose you or support the claims that I've made. Maybe they're just exhausted from years of jawboning this thing. I will say first of all that this war as it has been waged is strategically wrong-headed. In brief, I believe that it is causing more unrest, violence and opposition than it can ever put down even with all its resources. Islamism, which I have as much distate for as any other ecclasiastically based movement that seeks total power, is fed mountains of propaganda fodder by the mere fact of our massed armed presence in Muslim territory. Our methods and actions there, particularly those of our contractors and freebooters there feeds the rage both the religious and the nationalists there. Our actions are only suited to create an equal and opposite reaction. Conventional forces can never win a war of this kind. I also believe that this war is immoral. We encouraged Saddam in his war on Iran and we were the chief suppliers of arms and materiel to him during and after that war. In the UN report prior to our invasion which we tried have kept secret but which was accessed by journalists, it was documented that Western countries supplied the overwhelming share of armaments and military hardware given Saddam from the outside. The two countries at the top of that list were the US and the UK. That was followed by Germany, Italy and France, if I remember correctly. This includes is not limited to weapons of mass destruction such as bio agents and gas weapons. (What was left of those after he was required to destroy these weapons in the wake of the first Gulf war is a still a matter of dispute among the hard headed. It's my belief that what was left was strategically insignificant.) But be all this as it may, it's my point here that we were glad to feed a dictator who marauded his own people while he was marauding them, and that we turned a blind eye to his tyranny when it suited our purposes. Then later when it also suited us, we vented the fury that people here felt after 911 on Iraq, turning our attention from Afghanistan where there actually were al Q'aeda to Iraq where there were none. The Iraqi people paid a huge price for our failure to capture bin Ladin. The war we gave them was a punishmment that the Iraqi people did not deserve. If you travel about the globe, our actions are widely seen as hypocritical. While some people in this country may not care in the least how we are seen abroad, our actions have cost us greatly in political capital and goodwill. And now eight years on, we see conflict metastisizing into Pakistan and now into Yemen. There's no telling where or how this will end or what the end game is supposed to be. I wish someone would tell me where all this is going. You accuse me of waging war. You are joking of course. The State has 7 carrier groups at it's disposal, vast networks of bases and big guns, resources on land, sea, air and in space and human and electronic intelligence capabilities at work all over the globe. The State also has had the grudging acceptance of the American people in employing all of these resources in fighting wars that have yielded them no benefit and have cost them plenty in terms of treasure and of life and limb. On the other side, there are just a few puny voices. A few anti- war folks like myself who only type out words on paper and on screens like this one. That's hardly a war. It is the State that rules over us and dictates what it thinks the relevant facts are and that picks our pockets to fight conflicts that WE CANNOT EVEN PAY FOR that is fighting a war. IT has had free rein to fight this war. No one is really putting up a fight here against it. These are the facts as I see them. I speak for no one but myself here. I don't fight for Muslims, or Islamists or Arabs or for anyone else that we see as opposed to us. I am devoted only to my country, and I am sorely grieved to see it headed down the wrong road.
Bump to that.
And thanx for the bump, wudidiz. They can drag me away. They can't keep me from sayin' what I see with my two eyes.
The war you wage is the war of government tyranny against the people. I don't see you speak a word against the government on domestic affairs. I don't hear you speak out against government as it steals the private wealth from U.S. citizens to pay welfare whores and mexican invaders to support the destruction of U.S. culture and it's people. It is only the U.S. military, the one part of the U.S. government that still gives a damn about the U.S. Constitution and nation defense, that you speak out against. Almost all I see you do is parrot the same anti-U.S. propaganda that the press vomits out everyday.
randge's criticisms of big government are well known to anyone who exchanges views with him. See my pings to a brief list of his short, but to the point positions. It's unfortunate that you don't recognize them. Perhaps he didn't write enough to be clear for you, or you didn't read them carefully.
This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles. Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I've been around a while, but don't post prolifically. If you've caught my posts, you'll know that I am as four-square against the Welfare State as I am opposed to the Warfare State. Just because I am not in accord with our military and foreign policy doesn't mean I'm an effin' Democrat. Lot's of us conservatives and constitutionalists out there that don't like our wars. Ask Chrissie.
They aren't "wars" from a legal definition as Congress hasn't declared war since WW2. These military actions are simply presidential empire building fodder.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Good points, buck. I think though that while his violation of post-Gulf War I agreements and No- FlyZone infractions were added to his rap sheet, Bush couldn't have done Gulf War II without the WMD hoax and fraud along with tarring Saddam with the Osama bin Ladin brush.
Their report is strictly based upon the Dutch involvement. It is a condemnation of their own Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende. It has little impact on or about the US or for that matter anyone else.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Your post is a keeper. Thanks for the clear passion about your sentiment. We need a few more million just like you to kick ALL the political scalawags out of Washington DC.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Bump it.
Yes. That is why Bush went to the UN for five to six months worth of stonewalling by the UN until he had the U.S. act alone.
Not true. GWBush sandbagged the UN by eliminating in large part the documented requirements by Saddam Hussein to show earlier UN sanction results. I was in France at the time and know what was going on. GWBush lied to the UN and he lied to the American people; he even had Colin Powell make a bold-faced lie about WMD. And once GWBush was booed by the UN, the same rat-bastard-empire-builder eliminated any UN security council votes by withdrawing his issue as he knew he fucked upped his own miserable methods. GWBush only used the single ploy of WMD against Saddam Hussein, nothing of or about your reasoning. And as you know, no WMD were ever found.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there. Bush went to the UN, and for over five months the UN but stonewall him on doing anything about Iraq. Later, when Iraq was captured by the U.S. military, documents were found that showed that Saddam was giving kickbacks to those at the UN, through the Oil-for-Food program, to stonewall any political measures that threatened Saddam's control of Iraq. In other words, those at the UN was guilty of accepting bribes from Saddam.
If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs. But beyond all that the USA is a security council member and derailed Hussein's documentation required by the UN. After the uproar in the general assembly, the USA then revolked it's own plea for UN support within the security council as there was no way it would pass. GWBush fucked-upped from the beginning.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.
You are the one with his head in a box, the box called "willful ignorance". I pointed out how you are wrong. You say you got your sources from while in France. Well, the French press are one of the most bigoted anti-U.S. press groups on the planet.
Butt out, torqy.
Dutch Greens are pushing for a parliamentary probe to get evidence under oath from politicians who backed the US-led invasion of Iraq.
Could you please tell me what the ideology of the "Dutch Greens" is?
Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here? You know, it rang a bit comical to read "I was in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there." But there's a point there that shouldn't be missed. There's a lot of just plain news that we don't get here past the mainstream filter. Were you aware that at the time Saddam was committing his crimes against humanity. the mass-murders, the mass-rapes, the tortures, the use of chemical weapons against civilians, we were happily shipping him millions of tons of grain which he was happily selling on the international market, using the proceeds to further oppress his people? Folks at the Agriculture Department were becoming concerned about the legality of these operations which required its stamp of approval. The Department wrote a letter to Sec'y of State James Baker who wrote back in effect, "Relax, he's our buddy. Don't get your panties in a bunch." Did hear about our grain sales on the NBC Nightly News? What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.
2. What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear. 1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that. 2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.
Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts. The news is tightly controlled as it is, would you rather see it so that only propaganda is allowed to be fed to the populace?
1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that. Point taken. Let's all keep it civil here. 2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population. I tender this: The FACTS strongly support the conclusion that we support butchers when it suits us. When is no longer suits us, we excoriate them and bring their ugly house of cards down - even when we had a demonstrable hand in building up that house of cards.
Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.
2. I tender this: The FACTS strongly support the conclusion that we support butchers when it suits us. 3. When is no longer suits us, we excoriate them and bring their ugly house of cards down - even when we had a demonstrable hand in building up that house of cards. 1. I am glad we agree on that. 2. A tragic fact that I will not argue with you on. 3. Only when the butchers violate their agreements with the U.S., which Saddam did. At the top of the thread, I pointed out how Saddam violated his surrender agreements (post 3). And I also pointed out later that the UN refused to offer a solution because they were being bribed by Saddam (post 26).
So what's YOUR agenda Paul?
Which agreement was that? What led to the FIRST Gulf War in other words...
Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".
That's it in a nutshell, bluegrass. As far as "agenda" goes I'll go out on a limb and speak for all the constitutionalists here who oppose interventionism and international adventures and say that we no longer want to play world cop. This country needs to concentrate on protecting our borders and promoting jobs and exports. The Taliban yesterday took credit for blowing up a government building, killing five, wounding 40 and temporarily taking control of Afghan offices. This in the heart of the country that we've been fighting in for eight years. www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/01/18/2010-01- 18_twenty_armed_taliban_militants_.html Where is all this headed?
Perpetual war.
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.
Most like it is headed towards imminent collapse. The U.S. government's budget is on the verge of collapse, along with the economy. Unless you are talking about a constant war happening in the U.S. itself.
I am talking about Saddam's surrender agreements at the end of the First Gulf War.
Helping to insure the continued existence of my family, my culture, and myself. This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population. Just like the anti-jewish bigotry in post-World War I let to the holocaust right before and during World War II. I see history repeating itself. What is your agenda?
we were lied into the iraq war, and very likely stampeded into the whole "war on terror" fiasco by people who said they needed "a new pearl harbor" just before they were installed into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen. and now we're supposed to believe that their "new pearl harbor" just happened to materialize by coincidence. and we're supposed to overlook the fact that the once and future king of israeli america remarked, on 9/11, that 9/11 was "very good". these same people have said they intend to achieve "benevolent global hegemony", and have demonstrated the benevolence of their hegemony, so far, by killing hundreds of thousands of people. please name another country with a similar record.
I pointed out a number of reasons for the invasion.
we were lied into iraq by the israeli americans and their toadies, toadies who were intimidated into going along with the israeli american PNAC project because nobody has a prayer in american politics without kowtowing to israel, the israeli americans and their propaganda apparatus. the israeli americans named in the articles above are salesmen, peddling these dreams of "benevolent global hegemony" to american psychopaths like rumsfeld, cheney, powell, bunnypants and the rest, who bought into the program because they had no choice if they wanted to continue to hold power... ...and you have to wonder how much power they actually hold, seeing as how no one since eisenhower has successfully defied the israel lobby. kennedy tried, and look where that got him.
Agreed. Whatever the misguided think is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, what's actually happening is ground being laid for the new Saddam/Osama/[insert name of US/Israeli tool here].
Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.
Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then. We got into a lot of thuggish habits in the Cold War fighting those thugs, the communists.
Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
Why, how cynical of you, bg.
That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
...and to discover those evil muslim replacement enemies, all it took was 3000 dead americans and the destruction of three obsolete buildings, the owner of which profited handsomely from the unorthodox demolition methods and government- financed cleanup.
which, interestingly, had NO 'legal mandate' in the united States of America...
...not forgetting, of course, that said owner (above) was pals with the israeli leadership. Results 1 - 10 of about 3,730 for "larry silverstein" "ariel sharon" Results 1 - 10 of about 35,100 for "larry silverstein" netanyahu.
I find it interesting that out one side of your mouth you bitch about big government and the welfare state while out the other are an apologist for big government and the warfare state. What's even more interesting is that you do not see the contradictions.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...
Then they need to quit bitching about big government. Big government and a loss of liberties walks hand-in-hand with the warfare state. In a warfare state, EVERYONE is an enemy to the state until proven otherwise. There must be a surveillance society and police state in order to protect the government from the "enemy" and that surveillance society and police state takes money to run it, therefore taxes have to be high.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...
I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
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F.A. Hayek Fan: I find it interesting that out one side of your mouth you bitch about big government and the welfare state while out the other are an apologist for big government and the warfare state. And you got that from me mentioning the Russia/Afghanistan war. That is truly twisted thought processes on your part.
A lot of people suffer from "cognitive dissonance". They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.
Are you saying the UN did have a 'legal mandate'?
No, I got that from your posting history on this site in general.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
No one on this site preaches against the U.S. The people on this site preach against the federal government. It is no ones fault but your own that your are too sycophantic to understand the difference.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Wow. So, we're like 7 plus years into this thing, and NOW the Dutch' report comes out. All I can say is wow. If we invaded the Netherlands, it might take about 8 years for them to realize that they'd been invaded. Way to go Netherlands. Go back to sleep.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Worth repeating infinitely, F.A. Hayek Fan. Although I can't speak for anyone but myself, generally we are dissatisfied with modern US government actions and the loss of our personal liberties particularly through the last 60 years. This includes the fabrication of false nations through UN fiat and the establishment of perpetual taxation upon US citizenry which directly diminishes the quality of our own lives.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
So what's YOUR agenda Paul? he'll have to get with dickcheesey and get back to you on that.
*Falls over laughing* I just cannot help laughing.
I already answered FormerLurker's question. What is your agenda?
I just cannot help laughing. You are a government apologist and sycophant. You equate the good, hardworking people of the United States with the corrupt and immoral government of the United States. You are unable to fathom that they are not the same thing. Of course you can't help but laugh. You are as corrupt and as immoral as the government you proselytize for.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution. Do you really believe all these foreign interventionist affairs has yielded you increased individual liberties? If not ... how come? Our national government was designed to hold individual liberties and freedoms and rights as the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND. If so ... where are these liberties?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. You equate the good, hardworking people of the United States with the corrupt and immoral government of the United States. 3. You are unable to fathom that they are not the same thing 4. Of course you can't help but laugh. You are as corrupt and as immoral as the government you proselytize for. 1. That is name calling on your part. 2. You have me confused with those promoting anti-U.S. propaganda. 3. That is a false assumption on your part. 4. I don't support the government. Though, at the same time I recognize that the rest of the world blames the U.S. people for that actions of the foreign elitists' puppets in the U.S. government.
Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government." Hmmmmmmm?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Your question is based off a false assumption. It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.
yes indeed. do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people? and you are buying the official 9/11 conspiracy theory wholesale, huh?
here's how 9/11 must have happened.... osama was on the internet one day, and stumbled across PNAC's call for a new pearl harbor, and osama sez to himself, "huh! i'll fix those guys' wagons! i will stage a new pearl harbor for them! ...and everyone will think those assholes from PNAC dun it!" so osama rigged the 2000 election so the signers of the PNAC document, people like cheney, rumsfeld and the usual assortment of likud loons, got installed into positions that would have enabled them to make 9/11 happen, had they been inclined to make 9/11 happen, which they were most definitely NOT ---despite their yearnings for a new pearl harbor as expressed in the PNAC document they signed..... then osama organized everything, from the training of the pilots to the security at the airports to the standdown at NORAD to oneill's job at the trade center, including bunnypants' month-long absence from dc while the shit was coming down. osama even dispatched five mossad guys to film the event.... well, you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men... little did osama know that the PNAC guys had enough juice to reverse the frameup, and osama found hisself dragging his dialysis machine from pillar to post in an effort to escape the wrath of PNAC. it's a sad sad thing.
If 9-11 was a single event, you might have a leg to stand one. But there were a number of terrorist attacks on the U.S. leading up to 9-11. The first World Trade Center bombing, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the twin bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Africa. Each attack was bigger than the previous, leading up to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?
why doesnt the fbi include 9/11 on osama's wanted poster? why did mueller confess he had no evidence of bin laden's involvement? why didnt bunnypants give the taliban proof of bin laden's involvement when the taliban offered to surrender bin laden if bunnypants could scrounge up evidence? why did PNAC say they needed "a new pearl harbor"? do you think it's convenient that those PNAC signatories were installed into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member? who dispatched the dancing israelis to "document the event"?
how many terrorists do you create when you shock and awe a country and cause hundreds of thousands of needless deaths? how you gonna have a "war on terror" if you dont have terrorists? you gots to create terrorists to provide the pretext for your "war on terror", dont you? how else can you grab oil and preserve israel...? ...you cant just haul off and start exterminating people and steal their oil and land without some excuse, can you?
Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?
If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.
why do you refuse to admit that neocons admitted that they needed an excuse to grab oil and land in the middle east?
Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?
are you trying to say that the neocons are good men?
why do you deny that the biggest danger to america is the neocon cabal that confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, rigged an election so they'd be in position to stage their new pearl harbor, then staged their new pearl harbor, then bombed thousands of people to death in an attempt to steal oil and secure israel, and are currently agitating to expand the wars into iran, yemen, sudan, somalia, venezuela, and lord knows where else?
If you don't understand the quote, then there is no point in explaining to you. You still wouldn't understand it.
Why do you ignore the foreign dangers to the U.S.?
neocons, who terrorized their own countrymen to rally support for their oil and land grab, are good guys. good enough.
you guys have had a free lunch ever since the holyhoax... you still have the american media and the politicians, but geology is working against you. this is your last chance to make the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism before the oil situation gets critical, so, even though the PNAC 9-11/war on terror operation is a horrible risk, you dont have much choice... ...especially seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.
The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.
You say, "you, you, you..." But I have yet to hear what you are for? What your agenda is? And until I hear you answer these questions. I will no longer reply to you.
that doesnt kill the argument at all... all it proves is that you guys have bitten off way more than you can chew... ...and the really big dogs knew it was a haywire idea from the start, but they can see that this "war on terror" business will greatly enhance their opportunities to loot as america expires from oil shortages... ...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up. meanwhile, these guys could give a shit about israel: they can buy canada or argentina with the money they're stashing away... they dont need israel for a refuge. ...which is a good thing, seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.
you might look up US oil imports: iraq is the sixth-biggest supplier of oil to the US. so that kind of gives us an idea of your credibility, doesnt it?
Afghanistan is 3% of the Muslim world. Try again. Now that you bring it up, the Soviet loss in Afghanistan is about the time we discovered the evil Muslims. Weird how that enemy creation works.
Semantics hurts you argument. The Afgans (muslims) and the Soviets (communists) fought each other furiously. At the time, that was a a major war front for the USSR. And you trying to trivialize it is insult to everyone.
Don't mean to nit-pick, but according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.
$27 trillion... i should have checked before i posted. thank you for the correction.
The only foreign terrorists of any consequence over the past century have been Jews, whether staging the Communist Revolution in Russia or driving Palestinians from their homes to form the illegal Israeli state, employing false flag terrorist acts like the attack on the USS Liberty to inveigle others to defend their criminal state. Any terrorism against the US that has not been a Mossad false flag was precipitated by acts of Israeli terrorism against Arabs for America's co-optive support of the Zionist thievery and atrocities in Palestine.
here's a report (july 20) of 23.7 trillion... i'm afraid to look any farther.
I disagree. Those are political adjectives. An apologist is a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc. A sycophant is a person that fawns over another person or institution. If I were name calling then I would call you a piece of shit, or something along that line. 2. You have me confused with those promoting anti-U.S. propaganda. Your constant war mongering and support of the foreign misadventures of the two party fraud IS promoting anti-U.S. propaganda. Both parties are using the Iraq, Afghanistan and the WOT in general for crass political purposes that is not in the best interests of this country and in fact hurt it. Their misadventures have nothing to do with protecting this nation. One only has to look at the continued lack of border controls and the police state framework the two party fraud has been continuously building to see that their intentions are nefarious. See Obama's new executive order for the Governor's board as just one recent example. 3. That is a false assumption on your part. When you come to this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the neocon line concerning the WOT and call people who do not share your blood-lust anti-american, then I believe it is a safe assumption. 4. I don't support the government. Though, at the same time I recognize that the rest of the world blames the U.S. people for that actions of the foreign elitists' puppets in the U.S. government. You might want to clarify that. I believe that you meant to say that you do not support the government in some domestic areas. In other domestic areas you are in complete agreement, such as the police state and surveillance society. Of course you will come back and say that you do not support a police state or a surveillance society, but here is where the cognitive dissonance I spoke of comes in. You cannot support the warfare state without supporting the surveillance society and police police state. They all walk hand-in-hand together. Since you are an outspoken supporter of the foreign policy of the United States, then you are indeed a proponent of the warfare state and everything that comes with it.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
2. Your constant war mongering and support of the foreign misadventures of the two party fraud IS promoting anti-U.S. propaganda. 3. When you come to this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the neocon line concerning the WOT 4. You might want to clarify that. 5. In other domestic areas you are in complete agreement, such as the police state and surveillance society. 6. You cannot support the warfare state without supporting the surveillance society and police police state. 7. Since you are an outspoken supporter of the foreign policy of the United States, 1. If you are going to insult someone, at least have the courage to admit to doing it. 2. So to you, promoting national defense is being against the nation. You are truly mentally twists (and yes that is a jab at you). 3. While you come on this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the the foreign line concerning the WOT attack. 4. I realize there are several groups that want to destroy the U.S. population. This is something you don't seem to realize. 5. Now you are just lying. Acknowledging an attack by foreigners is not the same as supporting a police state. 6. Here is another lie by you. I never supported welfare. Actually, I am against it. 7. It depends on the policy. Unlike, I don't generalize and lump every policy into one group.
This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population. Do you think that the deaths of millions is A-OK if it serves the purpose of corporations and bankers? That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit. Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda, where it is NOT the interests of the United States of America that is served by these criminal actions being reported, but that of those who ARE trying to destroy the USA. let to the holocaust right before and during World War II You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them. What is your agenda? Stopping those who wish to destroy this Nation and her People.
2. Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda, 3. You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them. 1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"? 2. Your double-talk is getting tiring. 3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so. So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.
let's see here... we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite... the premise being that the truth is too precious to be entrusted to common citizens, including citizens of a democracy... which of course puts the burden of properly educating the voting public on the neocon propaganda apparatus. we know the neocons believe they "are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality". we know that the PNAC neocons said they needed "a new pearl harbor" in september of 2000, just before they were installed in high positions by a phony election recount in a state governed by a PNAC signatory. we know that media and politicians are integral parts of the propaganda apparatus. we know the media and politicians assigned blame for the 9/11 attack within hours of the attack, way before any investigation, we know that neocons resisted the idea of an investigation of 9/11, and we know that when the neocons and their toadies finally caved in and allowed an "investigation", that investigation was was restricted in ways that rendered the "investigation" farcial. we know that there are various factions allied with the neocons, neocons themselves being mostly concerned with making the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism and israel... deathwish christian fellow travelers being mostly concerned with raising so much cain that jesus will come back ...oily corporate fascists being mostly concerned with securing access to oil and profits as oil supplies diminish. we know that neocons have an unfortunate tendency to confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics, as do you. all we have to decide is: which brand of neocon or neocon toady are you?
taking all the above into account... including neocons' belief in lying to the governed ...neocons' belief in their ability to create their own reality ...neocons' express desire for "a new pearl harbor" ...neocons' support structure in the media and politics ...neocons' positions in the government, media and politics when 9/11 happened ...neocon control of the ensuing investigation... taking all that into account, rational people should be suspicious of the official neocon conspiracy theory, shouldnt they?
and yet you have the nerve to come in here and confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics as you defend the neocon project.
As we common folks say, that's a humm-dinger! GWBush begged the American People to advance his war party effort supporting "nation building" and "democracy around the world." The US is not a "democracy." The US is a "republic." I suppose even presidents fail to read what they swore to uphold.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"? Does the US as a whole condone inhuman torture and the killing of innocent people? The inhuman bastards I am talking about are those who pull the strings of our government and formulate plans that enrich themselves at the expense of innocent lives. That would include the CEOs of various defense contractors, corporate heads who control the news, international bankers, and those who control THEM. 2. Your double-talk is getting tiring. Accuse the victims of your own deeds to be the guilty parties, how novel an idea is that... 3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so. MY victims? YOUR victims are the People of the United States of America, along with the millions who have lost their lives at the hands of those such as you. This Nation's honor has been tarnished, our citizen's made into living and walking targets of revenge of those who have had their family members murdered, and our treasure squandered to line the pockets of your corporate masters. THESE three innocent lives are just an example of what YOU condone, promote, and are responsible for... The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well. Look yourself in the mirror when you say those words, THEN it will be true.
on this thread twisting your duped nose and all is going as planned.
Helped along with the assistance of the FBI... Calling a spade a spade is not an insult. It is how I see you. Saying that you are a pansy-assed child molester, now THAT would be an insult (Not saying or insinuating you are, just using as an example). And from our past correspondance surely you realize that if I wanted to insult you that I am not afraid to do it. 2. So to you, promoting national defense is being against the nation. You are truly mentally twists (and yes that is a jab at you). Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq ever were, are, or could be a threat to this country. If you were interested in promoting national defense then you would be promoting the idea of a fence on the border and the arming and training of all citizens such as done in Switzerland. What you are interested in is watching American soldiers die and cheer leading the empire building of a corrupt oligarchy. 3. While you come on this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the the foreign line concerning the WOT attack. Please provide an example of the foreign line I am mindlessly parroting. 4. I realize there are several groups that want to destroy the U.S. population. This is something you don't seem to realize. Sure I do. There are liberals, neoconservatives, Republicans, Democrats and all of their backers, both foreign and domestic. These are the groups that I consider out to destroy this country. 5. Now you are just lying. Acknowledging an attack by foreigners is not the same as supporting a police state. I am not lying at all. The government has decided to participate in a perceptual war they call the WOT. You support this war. This war will never end and is not meant to end, just like the WOD and the war on poverty. You cannot have the perpetual war you advocate without having a police state and surveillance society on the domestic front. If you support one, you support the other. They go hand-in-hand. So whole you claim that you do not support it, your support of the government's endless war says otherwise. You read the news Paul. Everyday we read more and more how the federal government is continuing to build and expand the police and surveillance state infrastructure, all in the name of thew WOT. 6. Here is another lie by you. I never supported welfare. Actually, I am against it. You may want to reread what I wrote. I said warfare state, not welfare state. 7. It depends on the policy. Unlike, I don't generalize and lump every policy into one group. The overall goal of the foreign policy of the United States is expansion in the name of spreading democracy.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I question your interpretation of history as it appears to be filtered through some kind of "government knows best" screen. America is not the Federal government. You do know this, I assume?
The US military is already there as part of NATO at a base at Schinnen. Moved there from France in '67. It's among friendly folk which make such bases abroad more or less a vacation spot for those joining the military. That's before agents of the Israeli lobby got America involved in the illegal catastrophic wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. www.usagschinnen.eur.army.mil/sites/local/ Getting back to the main topic, BadNewsFromTheNeatherlands Blogspot reports: All Dutch parliamentary parties are asking the government for clarification of a Foreign Office memorandum pointing to problems about the legal basis for the Iraq war.
Yes, your "victims". You are hypocrite and a liar. And you refuse to practice what you preach.
From you, that is a laugh.
America is not the Federal government. You do know this, I assume? You are coming from a different view point. The question I come from is, why are those on this thread that claim to be against the Iraq War happen to turn a blind eye when a comes to U.S. citizens been hurt by government, yet demand foreigners have more rights than U.S. citizens? But, to answer your question. Technically, as structured by the U.S. Constitution, the Federal Government's buck stops at the people through elections. Personally, my respect for the election process is very low. Though, right now, some are trying to argue how each noddle shares a specific responsibility when there in a plate full so spaghetti. It is so mixed up and covered in sauce that it is very difficult to tell what goes to what. Do you understand what I am getting at with that analogy?
It's crystal clear. Crystal. The plate is the Constitution. The noodles are the individuals that comprise this nation. The sauce is the overlay of collectivism that holds everything together. Am I right?
Nope. All the paper in the world isn't backed upped by diddly-squat unless there is true-felt conviction.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Are you calling the Constitution a "piece of paper"? I'll see you on the green at dawn. Pistols or blades. Your choice.
The plate is the Constitution. The noodles are the individuals that comprise this nation. The sauce is the overlay of collectivism that holds everything together. Am I right? You are close. Each noodle represents a different group; such as individuals, foreign interests, lobbyists, politicians, press, military, police. The sauce represents the corruption and bureaucracy that covers everything. And thank you for being polite. It is refreshing to have an actual conversation.
Ah, I see you waited three days to respond, hoping I wouldn't see it. You are a coward, a liar, AND a hypocrite. I doubt there's any anti-american fascist act that you wouldn't defend and support.
Please specify which post it is where someone "demanded that foreigners should have more rights than U.S. citizens".
I waited three days to let things cool off before continuing the discussion. But, I see that will not work with some lacking of tac, such as yourself.
Uh huh.
Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#2. To: X-15, Tatarewicz (#1)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
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Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
#5. To: PaulCJ, all (#3)
The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#6. To: PaulCJ (#3)
#7. To: randge, wudidiz (#6)
#8. To: PaulCJ (#7)
#9. To: randge (#8)
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Enjoy your war.
#10. To: PaulCJ (#9)
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#11. To: randge (#10)
Like I say, enjoy your war.
#12. To: PaulCJ (#11)
#13. To: randge (#12)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#14. To: wudidiz (#13)
#15. To: randge (#12)
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#16. To: PaulCJ, randge (#15)
#17. To: PaulCJ (#3)
Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.
#18. To: PaulCJ (#15)
#19. To: randge (#18)
Lot's of us conservatives and constitutionalists out there that don't like our wars.
#20. To: buckeroo (#17)
#21. To: randge (#6)
Eff the Dutch. They're a bit more than a day late and a dollar short. It's us that I'm concerned about.
#22. To: randge (#12)
#23. To: randge, *Up to the Sun* (#12)
I am devoted only to my country, and I am sorely grieved to see it headed down the wrong road.
#24. To: buckeroo (#17)
Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?
#25. To: PaulCJ (#24)
#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
I was in France at the time and know what was going on.
#27. To: PaulCJ (#26)
You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there.
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#29. To: buckeroo (#27)
If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs.
#30. To: IRTorqued (#28)
lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.
#31. To: All (#0)
#32. To: Tatarewicz (#31)
#33. To: PaulCJ (#30)
Butt out, torqy.
#34. To: randge (#33)
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1. Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?
#35. To: PaulCJ, randge (#34)
You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: PaulCJ (#34)
#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)
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Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.
#38. To: randge (#36)
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1. Point taken. Let's all keep it civil here.
#39. To: PaulCJ (#37)
Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: PaulCJ (#38)
Only when the butchers violate their agreements with the U.S., which Saddam did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: PaulCJ (#3)
This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity
#42. To: bluegrass (#41)
#43. To: randge (#42)
Where is all this headed?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: bluegrass (#41)
Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".
#45. To: FormerLurker, randge (#43)
FormerLurker; Perpetual war.
#46. To: FormerLurker (#40)
What led to the FIRST Gulf War in other words...
#47. To: FormerLurker (#39)
So what's YOUR agenda Paul?
#48. To: PaulCJ (#44)
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most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.
"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections.
"In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."
Whose War? A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.
#49. To: groundresonance (#48)
we were lied into the iraq war,
#50. To: PaulCJ (#49)
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#51. To: randge, PaulCJ (#42)
As far as "agenda" goes I'll go out on a limb and speak for all the constitutionalists here who oppose interventionism and international adventures and say that we no longer want to play world cop.
#52. To: PaulCJ (#44)
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.
#53. To: bluegrass, PaulCJ (#52)
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.
#54. To: randge, PaulCJ (#53)
#55. To: bluegrass (#54)
#56. To: bluegrass (#54)
Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
#57. To: bluegrass (#54)
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Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
#58. To: PaulCJ (#3)
Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#59. To: bluegrass (#54)
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#60. To: PaulCJ, all (#56)
That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#62. To: Rotara (#61)
They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...
#63. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#62)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#64. To: Rotara (#63)
yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...
#65. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, rotara (#64)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#66. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)
PaulCJ: That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
#67. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#64)
I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.
#68. To: Rotara (#58)
which, interestingly, had NO 'legal mandate' in the united States of America...
#69. To: PaulCJ (#66)
And you got that from me mentioning the Russia/Afghanistan war. That is truly twisted thought processes on your part.
#70. To: PaulCJ (#67)
They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.
#71. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
#72. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#70)
The people on this site preach against the federal government.
#73. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#74. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#70)
No one on this site preaches against the U.S.
#75. To: IRTorqued (#73)
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he'll have to get with dickcheesey and get back to you on that.
#76. To: PaulCJ (#74)
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*Falls over laughing*
#77. To: PaulCJ (#74)
*Falls over laughing*
#78. To: buckeroo (#77)
I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution.
#79. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#76)
1. You are a government apologist and sycophant.
#80. To: PaulCJ (#78)
#81. To: buckeroo (#80)
Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."
#82. To: PaulCJ (#81)
It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.
#83. To: PaulCJ (#81)
#84. To: groundresonance (#83)
here's how 9/11 must have happened....
#85. To: groundresonance (#82)
do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people?
#86. To: PaulCJ (#84)
#87. To: PaulCJ (#85)
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Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?
#88. To: groundresonance (#86)
#89. To: groundresonance (#87)
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#90. To: PaulCJ (#88)
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Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?
#91. To: groundresonance (#90)
#92. To: PaulCJ (#89)
If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.
#93. To: PaulCJ (#91)
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Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?
#94. To: groundresonance (#92)
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#95. To: groundresonance (#93)
#96. To: PaulCJ (#94)
#97. To: PaulCJ (#95)
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#98. To: groundresonance (#96)
#99. To: groundresonance (#97)
#100. To: PaulCJ (#98)
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The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.
#101. To: PaulCJ (#98)
The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.
#102. To: PaulCJ (#56)
That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
#103. To: bluegrass (#102)
#104. To: groundresonance (#100)
...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#105. To: Esso (#104)
according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.
#106. To: PaulCJ (#81)
#107. To: Esso (#104)
#108. To: PaulCJ (#79)
1. That is name calling on your part.
#109. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#108)
1. Those are political adjectives.
#110. To: PaulCJ (#47)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#111. To: FormerLurker (#110)
1. That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.
#112. To: PaulCJ (#111)
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#113. To: PaulCJ (#111)
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#114. To: PaulCJ (#111)
#115. To: groundresonance (#112)
we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite
#116. To: PaulCJ (#111)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#117. To: PaulCJ (#75)
What is your agenda?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#118. To: PaulCJ (#84)
But there were a number of terrorist attacks on the U.S. leading up to 9-11. The first World Trade Center bombing
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#119. To: PaulCJ (#109)
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1. If you are going to insult someone, at least have the courage to admit to doing it.
#120. To: PaulCJ (#103)
#121. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#71)
If we invaded the Netherlands...
#122. To: FormerLurker (#116)
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MY victims?
#123. To: IRTorqued (#117)
on this thread twisting your duped nose and all is going as planned.
#124. To: bluegrass (#120)
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I question your interpretation of history as it appears to be filtered through some kind of "government knows best" screen.
#125. To: PaulCJ (#124)
#126. To: randge (#125)
Am I right?
#127. To: buckeroo (#126)
#128. To: randge (#125)
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It's crystal clear. Crystal.
#129. To: PaulCJ (#122)
Yes, your "victims". You are hypocrite and a liar. And you refuse to practice what you preach.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: PaulCJ, bluegrass (#124)
The question I come from is, why are those on this thread that claim to be against the Iraq War happen to turn a blind eye when a comes to U.S. citizens been hurt by government, yet demand foreigners have more rights than U.S. citizens?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)
Ah, I see you waited three days to respond, hoping I wouldn't see it.
#132. To: PaulCJ (#131)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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