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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1817
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

A lot of people suffer from "cognitive dissonance". They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   20:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

which, interestingly, had NO 'legal mandate' in the united States of America...

Are you saying the UN did have a 'legal mandate'?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   20:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And you got that from me mentioning the Russia/Afghanistan war. That is truly twisted thought processes on your part.

No, I got that from your posting history on this site in general.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   21:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

No one on this site preaches against the U.S. The people on this site preach against the federal government. It is no ones fault but your own that your are too sycophantic to understand the difference.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   22:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wow. So, we're like 7 plus years into this thing, and NOW the Dutch' report comes out.

All I can say is wow. If we invaded the Netherlands, it might take about 8 years for them to realize that they'd been invaded. Way to go Netherlands. Go back to sleep.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-18   22:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The people on this site preach against the federal government.

Worth repeating infinitely, F.A. Hayek Fan. Although I can't speak for anyone but myself, generally we are dissatisfied with modern US government actions and the loss of our personal liberties particularly through the last 60 years. This includes the fabrication of false nations through UN fiat and the establishment of perpetual taxation upon US citizenry which directly diminishes the quality of our own lives.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-18   22:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.

So what's YOUR agenda Paul?

he'll have to get with dickcheesey and get back to you on that.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-18   22:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No one on this site preaches against the U.S.

*Falls over laughing*

I just cannot help laughing.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   23:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

he'll have to get with dickcheesey and get back to you on that.

I already answered FormerLurker's question. What is your agenda?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   23:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

*Falls over laughing*

I just cannot help laughing.

You are a government apologist and sycophant. You equate the good, hardworking people of the United States with the corrupt and immoral government of the United States. You are unable to fathom that they are not the same thing. Of course you can't help but laugh. You are as corrupt and as immoral as the government you proselytize for.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-19   0:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

*Falls over laughing*

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution. Do you really believe all these foreign interventionist affairs has yielded you increased individual liberties?

If not ... how come? Our national government was designed to hold individual liberties and freedoms and rights as the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

If so ... where are these liberties?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   0:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   1:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. You are a government apologist and sycophant.

2. You equate the good, hardworking people of the United States with the corrupt and immoral government of the United States.

3. You are unable to fathom that they are not the same thing

4. Of course you can't help but laugh. You are as corrupt and as immoral as the government you proselytize for.

1. That is name calling on your part.

2. You have me confused with those promoting anti-U.S. propaganda.

3. That is a false assumption on your part.

4. I don't support the government. Though, at the same time I recognize that the rest of the world blames the U.S. people for that actions of the foreign elitists' puppets in the U.S. government.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   1:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Hmmmmmmm?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   1:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Your question is based off a false assumption. It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.

yes indeed.

do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people?

and you are buying the official 9/11 conspiracy theory wholesale, huh?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's how 9/11 must have happened....

osama was on the internet one day, and stumbled across PNAC's call for a new pearl harbor, and osama sez to himself, "huh! i'll fix those guys' wagons! i will stage a new pearl harbor for them! ...and everyone will think those assholes from PNAC dun it!"

so osama rigged the 2000 election so the signers of the PNAC document, people like cheney, rumsfeld and the usual assortment of likud loons, got installed into positions that would have enabled them to make 9/11 happen, had they been inclined to make 9/11 happen, which they were most definitely NOT ---despite their yearnings for a new pearl harbor as expressed in the PNAC document they signed.....

then osama organized everything, from the training of the pilots to the security at the airports to the standdown at NORAD to oneill's job at the trade center, including bunnypants' month-long absence from dc while the shit was coming down.

osama even dispatched five mossad guys to film the event....

well, you know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men... little did osama know that the PNAC guys had enough juice to reverse the frameup, and osama found hisself dragging his dialysis machine from pillar to post in an effort to escape the wrath of PNAC.

it's a sad sad thing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's how 9/11 must have happened....

If 9-11 was a single event, you might have a leg to stand one. But there were a number of terrorist attacks on the U.S. leading up to 9-11. The first World Trade Center bombing, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, the twin bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Africa.

Each attack was bigger than the previous, leading up to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people?

Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

why doesnt the fbi include 9/11 on osama's wanted poster?

why did mueller confess he had no evidence of bin laden's involvement?

why didnt bunnypants give the taliban proof of bin laden's involvement when the taliban offered to surrender bin laden if bunnypants could scrounge up evidence?

why did PNAC say they needed "a new pearl harbor"?

do you think it's convenient that those PNAC signatories were installed into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member?

who dispatched the dancing israelis to "document the event"?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?

how many terrorists do you create when you shock and awe a country and cause hundreds of thousands of needless deaths?

how you gonna have a "war on terror" if you dont have terrorists? you gots to create terrorists to provide the pretext for your "war on terror", dont you?

how else can you grab oil and preserve israel...? ...you cant just haul off and start exterminating people and steal their oil and land without some excuse, can you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

why do you refuse to admit that neocons admitted that they needed an excuse to grab oil and land in the middle east?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

are you trying to say that the neocons are good men?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?

why do you deny that the biggest danger to america is the neocon cabal that confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, rigged an election so they'd be in position to stage their new pearl harbor, then staged their new pearl harbor, then bombed thousands of people to death in an attempt to steal oil and secure israel, and are currently agitating to expand the wars into iran, yemen, sudan, somalia, venezuela, and lord knows where else?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you don't understand the quote, then there is no point in explaining to you. You still wouldn't understand it.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you ignore the foreign dangers to the U.S.?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

neocons, who terrorized their own countrymen to rally support for their oil and land grab, are good guys.

good enough.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you guys have had a free lunch ever since the holyhoax... you still have the american media and the politicians, but geology is working against you.

this is your last chance to make the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism before the oil situation gets critical, so, even though the PNAC 9-11/war on terror operation is a horrible risk, you dont have much choice...

...especially seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You say, "you, you, you..." But I have yet to hear what you are for? What your agenda is? And until I hear you answer these questions. I will no longer reply to you.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

that doesnt kill the argument at all... all it proves is that you guys have bitten off way more than you can chew...

...and the really big dogs knew it was a haywire idea from the start, but they can see that this "war on terror" business will greatly enhance their opportunities to loot as america expires from oil shortages...

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

meanwhile, these guys could give a shit about israel: they can buy canada or argentina with the money they're stashing away... they dont need israel for a refuge.

...which is a good thing, seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

you might look up US oil imports: iraq is the sixth-biggest supplier of oil to the US.

so that kind of gives us an idea of your credibility, doesnt it?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

Afghanistan is 3% of the Muslim world. Try again.

Now that you bring it up, the Soviet loss in Afghanistan is about the time we discovered the evil Muslims. Weird how that enemy creation works.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-19   4:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Semantics hurts you argument. The Afgans (muslims) and the Soviets (communists) fought each other furiously. At the time, that was a a major war front for the USSR. And you trying to trivialize it is insult to everyone.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   5:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

Don't mean to nit-pick, but according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.

Esso  posted on  2010-01-19   6:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.

$27 trillion...

i should have checked before i posted.

thank you for the correction.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   7:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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