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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1802
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are you so focused on 9-11, while you ignore the terrorist attacks that preceded it?

why do you refuse to admit that neocons admitted that they needed an excuse to grab oil and land in the middle east?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

are you trying to say that the neocons are good men?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you support denying the U.S. from defending itself?

why do you deny that the biggest danger to america is the neocon cabal that confessed they needed a new pearl harbor, rigged an election so they'd be in position to stage their new pearl harbor, then staged their new pearl harbor, then bombed thousands of people to death in an attempt to steal oil and secure israel, and are currently agitating to expand the wars into iran, yemen, sudan, somalia, venezuela, and lord knows where else?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you don't understand the quote, then there is no point in explaining to you. You still wouldn't understand it.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why do you ignore the foreign dangers to the U.S.?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

neocons, who terrorized their own countrymen to rally support for their oil and land grab, are good guys.

good enough.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you guys have had a free lunch ever since the holyhoax... you still have the american media and the politicians, but geology is working against you.

this is your last chance to make the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism before the oil situation gets critical, so, even though the PNAC 9-11/war on terror operation is a horrible risk, you dont have much choice...

...especially seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You say, "you, you, you..." But I have yet to hear what you are for? What your agenda is? And until I hear you answer these questions. I will no longer reply to you.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:22:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

that doesnt kill the argument at all... all it proves is that you guys have bitten off way more than you can chew...

...and the really big dogs knew it was a haywire idea from the start, but they can see that this "war on terror" business will greatly enhance their opportunities to loot as america expires from oil shortages...

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

meanwhile, these guys could give a shit about israel: they can buy canada or argentina with the money they're stashing away... they dont need israel for a refuge.

...which is a good thing, seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

you might look up US oil imports: iraq is the sixth-biggest supplier of oil to the US.

so that kind of gives us an idea of your credibility, doesnt it?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

Afghanistan is 3% of the Muslim world. Try again.

Now that you bring it up, the Soviet loss in Afghanistan is about the time we discovered the evil Muslims. Weird how that enemy creation works.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-19   4:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Semantics hurts you argument. The Afgans (muslims) and the Soviets (communists) fought each other furiously. At the time, that was a a major war front for the USSR. And you trying to trivialize it is insult to everyone.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   5:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

Don't mean to nit-pick, but according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.

Esso  posted on  2010-01-19   6:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.

$27 trillion...

i should have checked before i posted.

thank you for the correction.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   7:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The only foreign terrorists of any consequence over the past century have been Jews, whether staging the Communist Revolution in Russia or driving Palestinians from their homes to form the illegal Israeli state, employing false flag terrorist acts like the attack on the USS Liberty to inveigle others to defend their criminal state. Any terrorism against the US that has not been a Mossad false flag was precipitated by acts of Israeli terrorism against Arabs for America's co-optive support of the Zionist thievery and atrocities in Palestine.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-01-19   7:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's a report (july 20) of 23.7 trillion...

i'm afraid to look any farther.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   7:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. That is name calling on your part.

I disagree. Those are political adjectives. An apologist is a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc. A sycophant is a person that fawns over another person or institution. If I were name calling then I would call you a piece of shit, or something along that line.

2. You have me confused with those promoting anti-U.S. propaganda.

Your constant war mongering and support of the foreign misadventures of the two party fraud IS promoting anti-U.S. propaganda. Both parties are using the Iraq, Afghanistan and the WOT in general for crass political purposes that is not in the best interests of this country and in fact hurt it. Their misadventures have nothing to do with protecting this nation. One only has to look at the continued lack of border controls and the police state framework the two party fraud has been continuously building to see that their intentions are nefarious. See Obama's new executive order for the Governor's board as just one recent example.

3. That is a false assumption on your part.

When you come to this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the neocon line concerning the WOT and call people who do not share your blood-lust anti-american, then I believe it is a safe assumption.

4. I don't support the government. Though, at the same time I recognize that the rest of the world blames the U.S. people for that actions of the foreign elitists' puppets in the U.S. government.

You might want to clarify that. I believe that you meant to say that you do not support the government in some domestic areas. In other domestic areas you are in complete agreement, such as the police state and surveillance society. Of course you will come back and say that you do not support a police state or a surveillance society, but here is where the cognitive dissonance I spoke of comes in. You cannot support the warfare state without supporting the surveillance society and police police state. They all walk hand-in-hand together. Since you are an outspoken supporter of the foreign policy of the United States, then you are indeed a proponent of the warfare state and everything that comes with it.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-19   8:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. Those are political adjectives.

2. Your constant war mongering and support of the foreign misadventures of the two party fraud IS promoting anti-U.S. propaganda.

3. When you come to this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the neocon line concerning the WOT

4. You might want to clarify that.

5. In other domestic areas you are in complete agreement, such as the police state and surveillance society.

6. You cannot support the warfare state without supporting the surveillance society and police police state.

7. Since you are an outspoken supporter of the foreign policy of the United States,

1. If you are going to insult someone, at least have the courage to admit to doing it.

2. So to you, promoting national defense is being against the nation. You are truly mentally twists (and yes that is a jab at you).

3. While you come on this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the the foreign line concerning the WOT attack.

4. I realize there are several groups that want to destroy the U.S. population. This is something you don't seem to realize.

5. Now you are just lying. Acknowledging an attack by foreigners is not the same as supporting a police state.

6. Here is another lie by you. I never supported welfare. Actually, I am against it.

7. It depends on the policy. Unlike, I don't generalize and lump every policy into one group.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   10:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population.

Do you think that the deaths of millions is A-OK if it serves the purpose of corporations and bankers? That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda, where it is NOT the interests of the United States of America that is served by these criminal actions being reported, but that of those who ARE trying to destroy the USA.

let to the holocaust right before and during World War II

You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

What is your agenda?

Stopping those who wish to destroy this Nation and her People.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   13:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

2. Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda,

3. You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"?

2. Your double-talk is getting tiring.

3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so.

So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   13:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

let's see here...

we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite... the premise being that the truth is too precious to be entrusted to common citizens, including citizens of a democracy... which of course puts the burden of properly educating the voting public on the neocon propaganda apparatus.

we know the neocons believe they "are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality".

we know that the PNAC neocons said they needed "a new pearl harbor" in september of 2000, just before they were installed in high positions by a phony election recount in a state governed by a PNAC signatory.

we know that media and politicians are integral parts of the propaganda apparatus.

we know the media and politicians assigned blame for the 9/11 attack within hours of the attack, way before any investigation, we know that neocons resisted the idea of an investigation of 9/11, and we know that when the neocons and their toadies finally caved in and allowed an "investigation", that investigation was was restricted in ways that rendered the "investigation" farcial.

we know that there are various factions allied with the neocons, neocons themselves being mostly concerned with making the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism and israel... deathwish christian fellow travelers being mostly concerned with raising so much cain that jesus will come back ...oily corporate fascists being mostly concerned with securing access to oil and profits as oil supplies diminish.

we know that neocons have an unfortunate tendency to confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics, as do you.

all we have to decide is: which brand of neocon or neocon toady are you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   13:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

taking all the above into account... including neocons' belief in lying to the governed ...neocons' belief in their ability to create their own reality ...neocons' express desire for "a new pearl harbor" ...neocons' support structure in the media and politics ...neocons' positions in the government, media and politics when 9/11 happened ...neocon control of the ensuing investigation...

taking all that into account, rational people should be suspicious of the official neocon conspiracy theory, shouldnt they?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   13:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and yet you have the nerve to come in here and confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics as you defend the neocon project.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   14:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite

As we common folks say, that's a humm-dinger! GWBush begged the American People to advance his war party effort supporting "nation building" and "democracy around the world."

The US is not a "democracy." The US is a "republic." I suppose even presidents fail to read what they swore to uphold.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   14:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"?

Does the US as a whole condone inhuman torture and the killing of innocent people? The inhuman bastards I am talking about are those who pull the strings of our government and formulate plans that enrich themselves at the expense of innocent lives. That would include the CEOs of various defense contractors, corporate heads who control the news, international bankers, and those who control THEM.

2. Your double-talk is getting tiring.

Accuse the victims of your own deeds to be the guilty parties, how novel an idea is that...

3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so.

MY victims? YOUR victims are the People of the United States of America, along with the millions who have lost their lives at the hands of those such as you.

This Nation's honor has been tarnished, our citizen's made into living and walking targets of revenge of those who have had their family members murdered, and our treasure squandered to line the pockets of your corporate masters.

THESE three innocent lives are just an example of what YOU condone, promote, and are responsible for...

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle

So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

Look yourself in the mirror when you say those words, THEN it will be true.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   15:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What is your agenda?

on this thread twisting your duped nose and all is going as planned.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-19   15:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But there were a number of terrorist attacks on the U.S. leading up to 9-11. The first World Trade Center bombing

Helped along with the assistance of the FBI...

The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1. If you are going to insult someone, at least have the courage to admit to doing it.

Calling a spade a spade is not an insult. It is how I see you. Saying that you are a pansy-assed child molester, now THAT would be an insult (Not saying or insinuating you are, just using as an example). And from our past correspondance surely you realize that if I wanted to insult you that I am not afraid to do it.

2. So to you, promoting national defense is being against the nation. You are truly mentally twists (and yes that is a jab at you).

Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq ever were, are, or could be a threat to this country. If you were interested in promoting national defense then you would be promoting the idea of a fence on the border and the arming and training of all citizens such as done in Switzerland. What you are interested in is watching American soldiers die and cheer leading the empire building of a corrupt oligarchy.

3. While you come on this site day after day and mindlessly parrot the the foreign line concerning the WOT attack.

Please provide an example of the foreign line I am mindlessly parroting.

4. I realize there are several groups that want to destroy the U.S. population. This is something you don't seem to realize.

Sure I do. There are liberals, neoconservatives, Republicans, Democrats and all of their backers, both foreign and domestic. These are the groups that I consider out to destroy this country.

5. Now you are just lying. Acknowledging an attack by foreigners is not the same as supporting a police state.

I am not lying at all. The government has decided to participate in a perceptual war they call the WOT. You support this war. This war will never end and is not meant to end, just like the WOD and the war on poverty. You cannot have the perpetual war you advocate without having a police state and surveillance society on the domestic front. If you support one, you support the other. They go hand-in-hand. So whole you claim that you do not support it, your support of the government's endless war says otherwise. You read the news Paul. Everyday we read more and more how the federal government is continuing to build and expand the police and surveillance state infrastructure, all in the name of thew WOT.

6. Here is another lie by you. I never supported welfare. Actually, I am against it.

You may want to reread what I wrote. I said warfare state, not welfare state.

7. It depends on the policy. Unlike, I don't generalize and lump every policy into one group.

The overall goal of the foreign policy of the United States is expansion in the name of spreading democracy.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-19   17:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I question your interpretation of history as it appears to be filtered through some kind of "government knows best" screen.

America is not the Federal government. You do know this, I assume?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-19   19:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If we invaded the Netherlands...

The US military is already there as part of NATO at a base at Schinnen. Moved there from France in '67. It's among friendly folk which make such bases abroad more or less a vacation spot for those joining the military. That's before agents of the Israeli lobby got America involved in the illegal catastrophic wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

www.usagschinnen.eur.army.mil/sites/local/

Getting back to the main topic, BadNewsFromTheNeatherlands Blogspot reports: All Dutch parliamentary parties are asking the government for clarification of a Foreign Office memorandum pointing to problems about the legal basis for the Iraq war.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-01-20   2:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

MY victims?

Yes, your "victims". You are hypocrite and a liar. And you refuse to practice what you preach.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-22   6:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

on this thread twisting your duped nose and all is going as planned.

From you, that is a laugh.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-22   6:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I question your interpretation of history as it appears to be filtered through some kind of "government knows best" screen.

America is not the Federal government. You do know this, I assume?

You are coming from a different view point. The question I come from is, why are those on this thread that claim to be against the Iraq War happen to turn a blind eye when a comes to U.S. citizens been hurt by government, yet demand foreigners have more rights than U.S. citizens?

But, to answer your question. Technically, as structured by the U.S. Constitution, the Federal Government's buck stops at the people through elections.

Personally, my respect for the election process is very low.

Though, right now, some are trying to argue how each noddle shares a specific responsibility when there in a plate full so spaghetti. It is so mixed up and covered in sauce that it is very difficult to tell what goes to what.

Do you understand what I am getting at with that analogy?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-22   7:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's crystal clear. Crystal.

The plate is the Constitution.

The noodles are the individuals that comprise this nation.

The sauce is the overlay of collectivism that holds everything together.

Am I right?

randge  posted on  2010-01-22   7:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Am I right?

Nope. All the paper in the world isn't backed upped by diddly-squat unless there is true-felt conviction.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-22   8:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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