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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
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URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
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A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution. Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.
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#26. To: buckeroo (#25)
You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there. Bush went to the UN, and for over five months the UN but stonewall him on doing anything about Iraq. Later, when Iraq was captured by the U.S. military, documents were found that showed that Saddam was giving kickbacks to those at the UN, through the Oil-for-Food program, to stonewall any political measures that threatened Saddam's control of Iraq. In other words, those at the UN was guilty of accepting bribes from Saddam.
If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs. But beyond all that the USA is a security council member and derailed Hussein's documentation required by the UN. After the uproar in the general assembly, the USA then revolked it's own plea for UN support within the security council as there was no way it would pass. GWBush fucked-upped from the beginning.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.
You are the one with his head in a box, the box called "willful ignorance". I pointed out how you are wrong. You say you got your sources from while in France. Well, the French press are one of the most bigoted anti-U.S. press groups on the planet.
Butt out, torqy.
Dutch Greens are pushing for a parliamentary probe to get evidence under oath from politicians who backed the US-led invasion of Iraq.
Could you please tell me what the ideology of the "Dutch Greens" is?
Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here? You know, it rang a bit comical to read "I was in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there." But there's a point there that shouldn't be missed. There's a lot of just plain news that we don't get here past the mainstream filter. Were you aware that at the time Saddam was committing his crimes against humanity. the mass-murders, the mass-rapes, the tortures, the use of chemical weapons against civilians, we were happily shipping him millions of tons of grain which he was happily selling on the international market, using the proceeds to further oppress his people? Folks at the Agriculture Department were becoming concerned about the legality of these operations which required its stamp of approval. The Department wrote a letter to Sec'y of State James Baker who wrote back in effect, "Relax, he's our buddy. Don't get your panties in a bunch." Did hear about our grain sales on the NBC Nightly News? What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.
2. What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear. 1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that. 2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.
Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts. The news is tightly controlled as it is, would you rather see it so that only propaganda is allowed to be fed to the populace?
1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that. Point taken. Let's all keep it civil here. 2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population. I tender this: The FACTS strongly support the conclusion that we support butchers when it suits us. When is no longer suits us, we excoriate them and bring their ugly house of cards down - even when we had a demonstrable hand in building up that house of cards.
Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.
2. I tender this: The FACTS strongly support the conclusion that we support butchers when it suits us. 3. When is no longer suits us, we excoriate them and bring their ugly house of cards down - even when we had a demonstrable hand in building up that house of cards. 1. I am glad we agree on that. 2. A tragic fact that I will not argue with you on. 3. Only when the butchers violate their agreements with the U.S., which Saddam did. At the top of the thread, I pointed out how Saddam violated his surrender agreements (post 3). And I also pointed out later that the UN refused to offer a solution because they were being bribed by Saddam (post 26).
So what's YOUR agenda Paul?
Which agreement was that? What led to the FIRST Gulf War in other words...
Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".
That's it in a nutshell, bluegrass. As far as "agenda" goes I'll go out on a limb and speak for all the constitutionalists here who oppose interventionism and international adventures and say that we no longer want to play world cop. This country needs to concentrate on protecting our borders and promoting jobs and exports. The Taliban yesterday took credit for blowing up a government building, killing five, wounding 40 and temporarily taking control of Afghan offices. This in the heart of the country that we've been fighting in for eight years. www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/01/18/2010-01- 18_twenty_armed_taliban_militants_.html Where is all this headed?
Perpetual war.
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.
Most like it is headed towards imminent collapse. The U.S. government's budget is on the verge of collapse, along with the economy. Unless you are talking about a constant war happening in the U.S. itself.
I am talking about Saddam's surrender agreements at the end of the First Gulf War.
Helping to insure the continued existence of my family, my culture, and myself. This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population. Just like the anti-jewish bigotry in post-World War I let to the holocaust right before and during World War II. I see history repeating itself. What is your agenda?
we were lied into the iraq war, and very likely stampeded into the whole "war on terror" fiasco by people who said they needed "a new pearl harbor" just before they were installed into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen. and now we're supposed to believe that their "new pearl harbor" just happened to materialize by coincidence. and we're supposed to overlook the fact that the once and future king of israeli america remarked, on 9/11, that 9/11 was "very good". these same people have said they intend to achieve "benevolent global hegemony", and have demonstrated the benevolence of their hegemony, so far, by killing hundreds of thousands of people. please name another country with a similar record.
I pointed out a number of reasons for the invasion.
we were lied into iraq by the israeli americans and their toadies, toadies who were intimidated into going along with the israeli american PNAC project because nobody has a prayer in american politics without kowtowing to israel, the israeli americans and their propaganda apparatus. the israeli americans named in the articles above are salesmen, peddling these dreams of "benevolent global hegemony" to american psychopaths like rumsfeld, cheney, powell, bunnypants and the rest, who bought into the program because they had no choice if they wanted to continue to hold power... ...and you have to wonder how much power they actually hold, seeing as how no one since eisenhower has successfully defied the israel lobby. kennedy tried, and look where that got him.
Agreed. Whatever the misguided think is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, what's actually happening is ground being laid for the new Saddam/Osama/[insert name of US/Israeli tool here].
Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.
Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then. We got into a lot of thuggish habits in the Cold War fighting those thugs, the communists.
Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
Why, how cynical of you, bg.
That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
...and to discover those evil muslim replacement enemies, all it took was 3000 dead americans and the destruction of three obsolete buildings, the owner of which profited handsomely from the unorthodox demolition methods and government- financed cleanup.
which, interestingly, had NO 'legal mandate' in the united States of America...
...not forgetting, of course, that said owner (above) was pals with the israeli leadership. Results 1 - 10 of about 3,730 for "larry silverstein" "ariel sharon" Results 1 - 10 of about 35,100 for "larry silverstein" netanyahu.
I find it interesting that out one side of your mouth you bitch about big government and the welfare state while out the other are an apologist for big government and the warfare state. What's even more interesting is that you do not see the contradictions.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...
Then they need to quit bitching about big government. Big government and a loss of liberties walks hand-in-hand with the warfare state. In a warfare state, EVERYONE is an enemy to the state until proven otherwise. There must be a surveillance society and police state in order to protect the government from the "enemy" and that surveillance society and police state takes money to run it, therefore taxes have to be high.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...
I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI was in France at the time and know what was going on.
#27. To: PaulCJ (#26)
You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there.
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#29. To: buckeroo (#27)
If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs.
#30. To: IRTorqued (#28)
lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.
#31. To: All (#0)
#32. To: Tatarewicz (#31)
#33. To: PaulCJ (#30)
Butt out, torqy.
#34. To: randge (#33)
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1. Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?
#35. To: PaulCJ, randge (#34)
You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: PaulCJ (#34)
#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)
(Edited)
Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.
#38. To: randge (#36)
(Edited)
1. Point taken. Let's all keep it civil here.
#39. To: PaulCJ (#37)
Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: PaulCJ (#38)
Only when the butchers violate their agreements with the U.S., which Saddam did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: PaulCJ (#3)
This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity
#42. To: bluegrass (#41)
#43. To: randge (#42)
Where is all this headed?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: bluegrass (#41)
Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".
#45. To: FormerLurker, randge (#43)
FormerLurker; Perpetual war.
#46. To: FormerLurker (#40)
What led to the FIRST Gulf War in other words...
#47. To: FormerLurker (#39)
So what's YOUR agenda Paul?
#48. To: PaulCJ (#44)
(Edited)
most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.
"Contrary to appearances, the neoconservatives do not represent a political movement, but a small, exclusive club with incestuous familial and personal connections.
"In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."
Whose War? A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.
#49. To: groundresonance (#48)
we were lied into the iraq war,
#50. To: PaulCJ (#49)
(Edited)
#51. To: randge, PaulCJ (#42)
As far as "agenda" goes I'll go out on a limb and speak for all the constitutionalists here who oppose interventionism and international adventures and say that we no longer want to play world cop.
#52. To: PaulCJ (#44)
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.
#53. To: bluegrass, PaulCJ (#52)
Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.
#54. To: randge, PaulCJ (#53)
#55. To: bluegrass (#54)
#56. To: bluegrass (#54)
Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
#57. To: bluegrass (#54)
(Edited)
Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.
#58. To: PaulCJ (#3)
Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#59. To: bluegrass (#54)
(Edited)
#60. To: PaulCJ, all (#56)
That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.
#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#60)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#62. To: Rotara (#61)
They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...
#63. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#62)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#64. To: Rotara (#63)
yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...
#65. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, rotara (#64)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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