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Title: It Has Begun; Mayan Elders Say Prepare
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URL Source: http://earthchangesmedia.com/publish/article-9162527279.php
Published: Jan 15, 2010
Author: Mitch Battros - EarthChangesMedia
Post Date: 2010-01-15 11:07:30 by christine
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First, let us go over what will NOT happen. 1) The world will not end; life goes on - but the rules have changed. 2) The date December 21st 2010 will be no different than December 19th or 22nd. This is to say the shift that is occurring has already begun, and reflects that of a 'bell curve' than a 'point'. 3) We are not being punished for our failure to live in peace; we are being re-directed to help in our maturation process. 4) We are not powerless in our destiny; we do and will have a choice. 5) The journey to enlightenment (or higher self), does not come on a fluffy cloud; for many of us it will a variable level of discomfort. The goal is to bring us back to our true selves.

Note: Both Carlos and I have come down with flu-like symptoms. Coincidence? -- Who is to say? I can tell you this, I am quite sure the intensity and maintenance of integrity must surely have something to do with it.

As a result of great fatigue, I will have to make this a two part article. What I will tell you for now, is that many of the issues we have spoken of before are now here. I will attempt to give you a very brief overview of some items. The escalation of earthquakes, tSunamis, and volcanoes are here. This is to say areas such as the New Madrid fault, the Cascadia Subduction Zone, the Puerto Rico Subduction Zone, Cascadia Volcanic Range, and yes -- Yellowstone are now 'in play'.

I will post two recent articles which emphasis the ever increasing marriage between 'ancient text', and 'modern science'. This is absolutely necessary to present the credibility needed to separate from the fanatical woo-woo's and Hollywood. Play-time is over -- reality is here and not to be feared, but to be acutely aware of our surroundings and more importantly, who we truly are, and where we wish to go. Not geographically, but reflectively. The question we should now very seriously ask ourselves is: "Is our behavior, beliefs and actions - taking us towards our personal goals, or are they harmful and self-defeating?"

There is no one answer for any specific race, gender, religion, creed, tribe -- it is an individual quest for ones' personal truth.

Cascadia Subduction Zone Quakes - earthquake.usgs.gov/earth...ww/Maps/10/240_45_eqs.php

Puerto Rico Subduction Zone Quakes - earthquake.usgs.gov/earth...ww/Maps/10/290_20_eqs.php

No; this is not a time to panic and run down the street with our hair on fire. However, it is a time to give significant contemplation of who we are, who we wish to surround ourselves with, am I comforted in quest of fulfilling what I believe my journey to be?

- Now back to the science:

Sun May Soon Send Magnetic Storms Toward Earth

Solar eruptions can send billions of tons of magnetically charged particles into space at high speed. If those particle clouds, called plasma, collide with the Earth's magnetic field, they can create dramatic effects ranging from a beautiful aurora borealis to a devastating electrical blackout. The Sun's volatile magnetic fields can become so severely twisted that they snap and then reconnect, producing a flash called a solar flare and a plasma eruption. If the plasma's magnetic field collides with the Earth's own magnetic field, they connect with another powerful snap.

Solar plasma (charged particles) physically compresses the Earth's magnetic field so much that it's smaller than the orbit of some satellites and celestial orbs. Without the magnetic field to orient the upper atmosphere, certain animals, birds, and weather patterns, extreme weather phenomena and radiation would occur. One example is United Airlines diverted 26 flights from their normal polar routes in January 2005 during Cycle 23's second sever round during the 'apex' (top of bell curve) to avoid harmful solar storms.

FULL ARTICLE: earthchangesmedia.com/sec...26/article-9162527273.php


Correlations Between Charged Particles, Earthquakes, and the Earth's Core

Recent scientific research confirms a connection between high energy charged particles and earthquakes. Results suggest the importance of coordinated and simultaneous ground-based and space-based investigations specifically dedicated to charged particles and the Earth's core is warranted. NASA has teamed up with ESA (European Space Agency) to investigate a possible space-based early warning system.

One study looked at over 100 earthquakes with magnitudes of 5.0 or larger in Taiwan over several decades. The researchers found that almost all of the earthquakes down to a depth of about 35km were preceded by distinct electrical disturbances in the ionosphere. A new model uses satellite data from the past nine years to show how sudden fluid motions within the Earth's core can alter the magnetic envelope around our planet. This represents the first time that researchers have been able to detect such rapid magnetic field changes taking place over just a few months.

FULL ARTICLE: earthchangesmedia.com/sec...26/article-9162527278.php


NASA Says "Quiet Sun Cause of Current Cooling Trend in Climate Change"

New measurements from a NASA satellite show a dramatic cooling in the upper atmosphere that correlates with the declining phase of the current solar cycle. For the first time, researchers can show a timely link between the Sun and the climate of Earth's thermosphere, the region above 100 km, an essential step in making accurate predictions of climate change in the high atmosphere.

The NASA Thermosphere-Ionosphere-Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics (TIMED) mission was developed to explore the Earth's atmosphere above 60 km altitude and was launched in December 2001. The TIMED data provide a climate record for validation of upper atmosphere climate models, which is an essential step in making accurate predictions of climate change in the high atmosphere. SABER provides the first long-term measurements of natural variability in key terms of the upper atmosphere climate.

FULL ARTICLE: earthchangesmedia.com/sec...26/article-9162527274.php


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#1. To: christine (#0)

I hope so. To paraphrase the immortal words of Ron White, when the pilot on their small airplane announced they were losing oil pressure:

"Hit somethin hard, I don't wanna limp away from this apocalypse."

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   11:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

What I will tell you for now, is that many of the issues we have spoken of before are now here. I will attempt to give you a very brief overview of some items. The escalation of earthquakes, tSunamis, and volcanoes are here. This is to say areas such as the New Madrid fault, the Cascadia Subduction Zone, the Puerto Rico Subduction Zone, Cascadia Volcanic Range, and yes -- Yellowstone are now 'in play'.

Mar 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows.

Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   11:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

I'm an atheist, so one group of fairy tales is as good as another, I suppose, but I do love the world-ending ones best. Hopefully there was some truth in them.

My kids just called and asked if I'd felt the 4.0 earthquake that just hit where they lived (in an area where they are not common at all).

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   11:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Samuel Gray (#3)

Call the scriptures fairy tales if you like but if you open your eyes you can see end times prophecies being fulfilled. But I don't argue about religion because that is between each individual and God (and yes, whether you believe in him or not he does exist and loves you as much as he does anyone else).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   11:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

I just want to fast-forward to the chaos parts. The peace-love-joy stuff is boring. I detest chick-flicky apocalypses.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   11:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

when do we start the clock? ...this "tribulation" business is sposed to last seven years, isnt it?

and whatever variety of christian you happen to be, at the end of those seven years, jesus will have checked in again, all the good guys will have been sucked up out of their skivvies, and everything will be hunky-dory for a thousand years, or however long...

so when do we start the clock on the seven years? ...have they already started?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   11:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

Note: Both Carlos and I have come down with flu-like symptoms. Coincidence? -- Who is to say? I can tell you this, I am quite sure the intensity and maintenance of integrity must surely have something to do with it.

Coincidence? How about the fact that the flu is well known to be contagious? And anyone that trumpets their own integrity probably has none.

But preparing is never bad advice.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-01-15   11:51:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

and if, after those seven years have expired, jesus hasnt showed up, and you havent been raptured, then what?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   11:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: groundresonance (#8)

Then you've been "Left Behind" again.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   11:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Samuel Gray (#9) (Edited)

Then you've been "Left Behind" again.

if those seven years are just now starting, it's pretty good odds that i'll croak of semi-natural causes before i have a chance to get raptured...

...but then again, christians cant really get together on deciding when the rapture will occur... maybe before the seven years of tribulation, maybe after.

*shrug*

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   11:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Samuel Gray (#9)

but the big question is: when do we punch the stopwatch on the seven years?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   11:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Samuel Gray (#5)

I just want to fast-forward to the chaos parts.

Doubt you will think they are so great when you are living them.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   11:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#4)

Call the scriptures fairy tales if you like but if you open your eyes you can see end times prophecies being fulfilled.

You do realize people have been saying that for over 2000 years, including Jesus.

Still waiting for the big winner.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-01-15   11:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: groundresonance (#10)

"...maybe before the seven years of tribulation, maybe after."

Seven years of unchecked tribble breeding, now that would indeed be a disaster of epic proportions.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-01-15   12:02:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14) (Edited)

unchecked tribble breeding

Tribbles are fictional animals in the Star Trek universe who first appeared in the episode titled "The Trouble With Tribbles". They are depicted as small, soft, and gentle, and as producing a soothing purring sound. These traits are said to endear them to most sentient races which encounter them, with the notable exception of Klingons, who consider tribbles to be "mortal enemies" of the Klingon Empire, as stated in the Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode "Trials and Tribble-ations".

i gots to confess i had to google "tribble"

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   12:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: groundresonance (#10)

It's 'tribulation'? No shit? Damn. I thought it was 'tribadism', and I thought , hell, seven years of that could be interesting...

Silly me, I knew it couldn't be anything really fun.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   12:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Everything dies, James. Until then, it's about keeping oneself entertained.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   12:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Samuel Gray (#16)

'tribadism'

Tribadism (pronounced /Ètrj bæd jzm/)[1] or tribbing, also known by the slang term scissoring, is a form of non-penetrative sex in which a woman rubs her vulva against her partner's body for sexual stimulation

had to google 'tribadism', too.

must be something like "frottage"

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   12:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: groundresonance (#18)

I guess...point is, if Jesus can put up with 7 years of *that* without coming a second time, he's some sort of tantric god. Maybe it's all in the breathing.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   12:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Samuel Gray (#19)

point is, if Jesus can put up with 7 years of *that* without coming a second time

good point

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   12:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: JRiggs (#13)

You do realize people have been saying that for over 2000 years, including Jesus.

Yes, I understand that but I also understand some other things too. Many of the prophecies are just now, or in the past 30 years or so, coming to pass. Much of what was prophesied could not have happened "2,000 years ago" because they didn't have the technology we have today.

End Times Prophecy

Are We in the End Times as Foretold by Scripture?

Many have wondered – what are the signs of the end times? Are we living in the end times, or is this just something that people have always thought? How will we know if we are truly in the end times or not? What are the prophecies? In fact, it was this End Times Prophecy very question that the followers of Jesus asked Him:

"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the signs of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" - Matthew 24:3

In fact, there are many prophecies in the Bible that provide clear signs of the "end times", "last days", or "Day of the Lord". Apparently God did not want His creation to be ignorant of these things. He wants us to realize that He is active in guiding history (His Story), and that all things will conclude as He has planned. This article will discuss:

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Why we should be aware of these signs *

What makes this age different from any other in terms of fulfillment of these prophecies *

Significant prophecies in both the Old and New Testaments being fulfilled today *

Why this indeed could be the End Times foretold throughout the Bible *

How we should then live knowing all these things

Haven't People Always Thought it was the End Times?

While it is true that the first century Church believed they were "living in the end times", Paul the Apostle wrote letter to the Churches to inform them about certain "signs" that had to come to pass before the "last days" would appear. This "end times" they understood to be the period of "Great Tribulation" spoke about by Daniel the prophet, and further described by Jesus (see below). Paul didn't want the early church to be mistaken about this, and as a result to quit work and begin doing nothing while awaiting the return of the Lord:

"Now brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no man deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,..." - 2 Thess 2:3

In the above passage Paul is warning the church that deceivers will come and pose as church leaders, and will try to fool the church about "the end times". They will say it has already come, or promote other deceptions. In these and the verses that follow Paul points out that the "Day of the Lord" - that time of Great Tribulation that Jesus referred to (see below) - will not come unless 1) there is a great falling away from the faith, and 2) they see the "anti-Christ", the "son of perdition" appear. Although there are many other signs, these were two clear signs that mark the "Great Tribulation" or "Day" of the Lord - the last 7 year period prior to the Lord's return.

Other important signs that indicate that we may be living in the end times include:

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Israel being gathered from among the nations, and made a nation once again *

Travel and knowledge will be greatly increased *

Global real-time communications will become a reality *

World-wide falling away from the church, and at the same time an outpouring of the Holy Spirit *

A developing one-world political and economic system, to be headed by a world ruler (the anti-christ) *

Rebuilding of the Jewish Temple (destroyed since 70 A.D.) *

Finally - people scoffing at the notion of end times, saying "where is the promise of His coming? (2 Peter 3:3-4)

See below for more details about how EACH of these prophecies are now being fulfilled before our very eyes!

Should We be Watching for the End Times?

Jesus said very plainly “Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming – in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning – Lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. And what I say to you, I say to all: watch!”

We will not be able to discern the day or the hour, but in watching we will be able to discern "signs of the end times" that lead up to this "Day of the Lord." .

In watching we will not be caught unaware. Christians should occupy and fulfill His purpose for our life until He comes, always doing good and being a faithful witness for the Lord. Those that do no know the Lord will see these signs as they come to pass, and although many will continue to deny Him, many will turn and accept Him as Lord.

More at link.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   12:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: James Deffenbach (#21)

I've been worried about what will happen to my pets, but fortunately someone has already thought of that.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-01-15   12:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Samuel Gray (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   12:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: James Deffenbach (#21) (Edited)

i guess the real question is: are the rest of us entitled to defend ourselves from deathwish christians and samson option jews who are willing to start nuke wars for religious reasons?

if we are entitled to defend ourselves, what kind of defense can we mount without violating deathwish christians' and samson option jews' freedom of religion?

are we required to let these people have enough rope to hang themselves, even if they will incinerate billions of innocent bystanders as they incinerate themselves?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   12:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: groundresonance (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   12:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Eric Stratton (#25) (Edited)

If you're interested

i'm not interested other than understanding where you people are coming from.

you cant even get your stories together on what's gonna happen or when it's gonna happen...

and the whole lashup is obsolete, as can be seen in how the world's been used up and degraded by cultures based on this "judeo-christian" bullshit.

from my point of view, we outcasts have a moral obligation to attempt to save you from yourselves, which will, of course, save us from you, too.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   13:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#25)

when a religion encourages philosophies and actions that degrade the planet's capacity to sustain life, it's a shit religion.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   13:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: groundresonance (#27)

when a religion encourages philosophies and actions that degrade the planet's capacity to sustain life, it's a shit religion.

(The ghost of Mohammed raises his hand)

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-01-15   13:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: X-15 (#28)

(The ghost of Mohammed raises his hand)

i dont see how islam has a chance of surviving, seeing as how it's rooted in judaism and christianity, both of which are, if we're to judge them by their actions, rotten to the core.

so the muslims are trapped in the whole dismal "judeo-christian" setup.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   13:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: groundresonance (#29)

In the grand scam that is religion, Islam is like the hand-me-down group...the ones who didn't get the little digital upgrade boxes like the Jews and Christians did, when god started broadcasting in all HD?

All their sets just went off the air and they are stuck with divining messages from the electronic white noise.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   13:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: groundresonance (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   13:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Samuel Gray (#30)

no static at all

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   13:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#25) (Edited)

and the "rapture," a word not occurring in Scripture

A lot of specific words don't appear in scripture but that doesn't mean that it doesn't teach it.

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You might be interested in this too. I did a search in the Blue Letter Bible and found no mention of the word Trinity or trinity, yet the Bible plainly teaches the concept (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   13:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Eric Stratton (#31)

You're a nice enough fellow, Eric. I watched some of your work at LP. Of course, our beliefs or non-beliefs are largely determined by custom, practice, and preference rather than logic, but you are also intelligent enough to pull yourself out of the trap of religion.

The only 'prayer' I utter these days, and it is really more a blind, silent appeal to intellect, is that otherwise intelligent people like you, who can so readily abandon the two party system as the ruse it is, will extrapolate just one step further, and abandon the chains of 'faith'.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-15   13:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#0)

The date December 21st 2010 will be

The writer doesn't seem to know the date is 12/21/2012, not 2010.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-15   13:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#33)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   13:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Samuel Gray (#34)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   13:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Eric Stratton (#36)

I personally clung to that belief too and simply sought to find out what the truth actually was re: pre/mid/post, etc. In doing so, I began to read through the Bible cover to cover, literally and comprehensively, taking painstaking notes, that I still have, along the way.

I don't argue about any of it. I simply state my beliefs, not try and impose them on anyone, and people are free to accept or reject it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-15   13:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37) (Edited)

you done any thinking on the mechanics of this armageddon business?

at what point do christian armies start exterminating jews, indians and chinese, in the belief that they're only doing god's will?

or is god gonna have to do the dirty work himself? ...is god gonna earthquake all non-christians to death, drown them, infect them with fatal diseases...? ...how's it all gonna work?

and what if things degenerate naturally, because of resource depletion and wars over the remaining resources, until millions of christians are certain that the end times are upon us, and those christians become susceptible to arguments that they have to exterminate all non-christians because it's "god's will"?

what if some nutball proclaims himself to be jesus as things deteriorate, and orders his followers to massacre non-believers?

will you be signing up for that project?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-15   13:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: James Deffenbach (#38)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-15   14:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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