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Title: Observation
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Published: Jan 16, 2010
Author: F.A. Hayek Fan
Post Date: 2010-01-16 10:24:56 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Views: 403
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As many of you know, a couple of years ago I sold my chain of medical equipment and supply stores and returned to college. While I attend a university, this semester I decided to do some tutoring at a local community college.

I've been tutoring there for a week now and I am shocked by the number of young men and women I am seeing in wheelchairs. I have counted twenty so far. Most of them appear to be casualties from the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I say this because almost all of them use their military rucksacks as their book bags.

Now that I think about it, there are quite a few young people in wheelchairs at the university as well. I guess it didn't stand out as much though because there are 25000 students at the university compared with the one or two thousand at the community college.

What a sad waste.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   10:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   10:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#1)

It is a sad waste.

Yet, they all voluntarily sign-up initially and go seemingly willingly.

Yep they sure did (and do). I chalk it up to a combination of recruiter BS, kids wanting to get away from mom and dad, and that sense of adventure that the military represents to many. Plus let's be truthful, the military can look like a good alternative to young people in a society where one either goes to college in order to get a good job or spends the rest of his life working dead end jobs in whatever Podunk they live in.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-16   10:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

In the '80s I could perhaps recommend military service for people that it suited given their goals. Today I strongly urge against it. I urge people to avoid any Government hooks at any level be it guaranteed loans, unemployment, or whatever. The second they have their hooks in you, you owe them something and they can choose to get it back however they want including jail/prison time if they so desire. If I ever go to prison for anything regarding the FedGov tyranny, it's going to be innocent before myself and God.

I'm very glad that any commitments that I had are over.

I am in the fortunate (or not, depending on your opinion of young people) position to be around young men and women everyday. It never fails - at the beginning of every semester when they learn that I served 15 years in the army they ask my opinion about joining. I always advise against it.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-16   10:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

I'm very glad that any commitments that I had are over.

Unless you are 65 or over, you could well have a "commitment" that is there but unseen.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   10:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Unless you are 65 or over, you could well have a "commitment" that is there but unseen.

I'm commited to ignoring anything Uncle Sambo has to say or should a response become necessary, using just two words !

Up Yours !!!

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-01-16   10:59:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:08:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#6)

no...

I'm with you, however I have seen otherwise.

I have said this before here on the 4um.

Unless you have seen men dragged from their homes in irons because they refused their "commitment" by the military, then there is much to be learned.

Witness dozens of men that dared dissent, in irons, all chained together, being dragged off to the battlefield, it is very enlightening. I can see it all very clearly in my minds eye, as if it were yesterday. And it was decades ago and far away.

Government is always in chaerge of the boundary lines, to be moved at their whim.Once you are inside the field of play, you are fair game.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   11:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

Yes, if things get as they got in the Third Reich in sending old men and children into battle in 1945.

My Grandfather was a great FDR supporter, war and all, until they changed the game plans and forced ALL men to age 65 register for the draft. Then FDR became an instant SOB.

At that time, the government was considering forced employment at such a place as they desired. It never got off the drawing board but it was what they had in mind.

Government sets the rules.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   11:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton, F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

Yet, they all voluntarily sign-up initially and go seemingly willingly.

That is because they are young, idealistic, and sold a buttload of crap. I know because I was one of them. It is natural for the young to be adventurous and military service is marketed as adventurous and as a duty. To the cynical bastards who create the marketing programs, and the wars they don't fight in, it is a game and they think of those who care enough to join as suckers when all they are is young, naive, and desiring to do what is right. It is a filthy game they play on these young kids. So, is someone really willing if they join under that context? I don't think so - they are willing only in that they think they are signing up to do the right thing when in reality the purpose to which their energy is directed is something totally different. So, how willing is someone induced by fraud to act against their own best interests?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   11:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

I am in the fortunate (or not, depending on your opinion of young people) position to be around young men and women everyday. It never fails - at the beginning of every semester when they learn that I served 15 years in the army they ask my opinion about joining. I always advise against it.

I did something over 10 and they would get the same advice from me.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   11:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

So, how willing is someone induced by fraud to act against their own best interests?

OI...

Par excellence.

All that verbiage and in the final sentence you wrote a volume of wisdom.

Thank you.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   11:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

Thank you, SIR.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   11:42:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#12)

So, how willing is someone induced by fraud to act against their own best interests?

If Bushbots and Obamatards are any indication, very willing.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-16   11:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   11:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Thank you, SIR.

My pleasure.

I just wish all of our friends here would read the that sentence in proper context.

It explains it all.

You might keep it handy, in mind or on paper, for usage the next time this subject arises, as it puts all other rhetoric to rest.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   11:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#16)

So, how willing is someone induced by fraud to act against their own best interests?

If Bushbots and Obamatards are any indication, very willing.

But how many of them have actually "walked the walk"? Not many I would venture. And how much of what they believe is hogwash (or cynical shills pushing the line they are paid to push)? All of them. The Bushtards and the O'bots believe a multiplicity of things that are not true. I could spend an hour listing them but you already know most, if not all, of them. Someone who believes a false datum, and acts or reacts upon it, will invariably reach a false conclusion.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   11:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

Either way, to me, recruiters and reenlistment NCOs are on the same level as rats, roaches, politicians, and lawyers. If any of 'em had a shred of integrity they'd be doing something else.

You will know when you have arrived, when you realize that within the military there is another organized military, unseen, unheard, but they are the real power behind the facade.

It takes years of being among them, years of thinking to finally understand there are two systems at work, the military we all know and see up front, then there is the unseen.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-16   11:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)

But how many of them have actually "walked the walk"? Not many I would venture. And how much of what they believe is hogwash (or cynical shills pushing the line they are paid to push)? All of them. The Bushtards and the O'bots believe a multiplicity of things that are not true. I could spend an hour listing them but you already know most, if not all, of them. Someone who believes a false datum, and acts or reacts upon it, will invariably reach a false conclusion.

Can't argue with any of that. However, their support of the two party fraud is still acting against their best interests even if their partisanship blinds them to the fact.

At least the youth have the excuse of inexperience and educational brainwashing. The rotgut's and shoonra's of the world have no excuse.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-16   11:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

Either way, to me, recruiters and reenlistment NCOs are on the same level as rats, roaches, politicians, and lawyers.

I have trouble getting my mind around that one. Which one do I put at the bottom of the "pile"? Ultimately a Recruiter, or "Retention NCO" is a salesman and has to be regarded as such. Once you understand that your skin starts to thicken. The first time around I believed the swill and joined for all the incorrect right reasons - duty, country, and to get out of my dead end rut. I re-enlisted because I got what I wanted - a good duty station where I wanted to be stationed and another stripe. In the end I accomplished what I wanted and got out. There was no way I was going to do another ten years for the "carrot" of retirement. By the time I got out I was a senior NCO and basically the hard stuff was behind me, but there was no way I was going to continue to wear the straight jacket. While the retirement would have been nice my spirit was dying and I knew it. I have never regretted it. My only regret, in retrospect, was re-enlisting, but I was still young and I was offered what I wanted (the $16,000 re-enlisment bonus truly was a secondary consideration).

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   12:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#20)

You might keep it handy, in mind or on paper, for usage the next time this subject arises, as it puts all other rhetoric to rest.

Thanks.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   12:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Eric Stratton (#19)

I went in strictly for the educational benefits and almost never got there.

I joined because it was expected. I come from a long line of career military men on both sides of my family - my dad, both grandfathers, all of my great-grandfathers - the list goes on for a long time.

It was quite the family scandal when I left before retiring at 30+ years. Everyone in my family has stayed in at least thirty years. One of my my little brothers is still in. He's been in the AF 22 years now and shows no sign of retiring. He'll be another 30+ year man. My other little brother has physical problems which kept him from joining or he would have been a lifer as well. As for me, after Panama, Desert Storm, Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia, I finally woke up to the fact that I wasn't protecting the country. I was being used as an electioneering device by men in a far off city that I despised and who despised me. What more, the American people were not only allowing me to be used, they didn't give a shit one way or the other. It was a eye opening epiphany. So instead of reenlisting, I left with my middle finger held high to both the two party fraud and the American people.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-16   12:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)

What more, the American people were not only allowing me to be used, they didn't give a shit one way or the other. It was a eye opening epiphany. So instead of reenlisting, I left with my middle finger held high to both the two party fraud and the American people.

It took me a long time to overcome the bitterness, but I finally did. I think I am better for the experience, but not in the way the recruiting posters and ads sell. By the time I got out I was awake to what the system really was and the lesson stuck. And yes the Brass and Politicos are cynical bastards (bastards is really too mild as is Sons of Bitches but it will have to do) who foully use brave, loyal, young men and women to an end they do not yet understand when first enlisting. Smedley Butler didn't get it until after he retired: "War is a Racket".

As for the American Sheeple they are largely deluded, and believe falsehoods true as well, and in the end I feel sympathy for them. To be so lost in a fog of untruth cannot be pleasant. I once saw a T-shirt in a window of a shop near the University of Washington that read: "Ignorance Ought to Be Painful". In reality it is.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   12:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Eric Stratton, Cynicom (#27)

As a footnote the other vitally important lesson I learned is what it would be like to live under a socialist police state, and want nothing to do with it. The deluded morons who push socialism really do not, in their gut, understand what such a system feels like to the inmate.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   12:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#10)

Government is always in chaerge of the boundary lines, to be moved at their whim.Once you are inside the field of play, you are fair game.

And ready to play !

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-01-16   13:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   14:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-16   14:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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