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Title: ClimateGate's Michael Mann Received Stimulus Funds, Media Mum
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Published: Jan 16, 2010
Author: Noel Sheppard
Post Date: 2010-01-16 13:18:50 by farmfriend
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By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive) A scientist in the middle of the ClimateGate scandal received economic stimulus funds last June. As NewsBusters reported on November 28, Penn State University is investigating Professor Michael Mann, the creator of the discredited "Hockey Stick Graph," for his involvement in an international attempt to exaggerate and manipulate climate data in order to advance the myth of manmade global warming. According to the conservative think tank the National Center for Public Policy Research, Mann received $541,184 in economic stimulus funds last June to conduct climate change research. With this in mind, NCPPR issued a press release Thursday asking for these funds to be returned: "It's outrageous that economic stimulus money is being used to support research conducted by Michael Mann at the very time he’s under investigation by Penn State and is one of the key figures in the international Climategate scandal. Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury," said Tom Borelli, Ph.D., director of the National Center's Free Enterprise Project. Professor Mann is currently under investigation by Penn State University because of activities related to a closed circle of climate scientists who appear to have been engaged in agenda-driven science. Emails and documents mysteriously released from the previously-prestigious Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom revealed discussions of manipulation and destruction of research data, as well as efforts to interfere with the peer review process to stifle opposing views. The motivation underlying these efforts appears to be a coordinated strategy to support the belief that mankind's activities are causing global warming. [...] The $541,184 grant is for three years and was initiated in June 2009. Potentially adding insult to injury, Penn State received additional stimulus funds to investigate the impact of climate change last week: This grant appears to have nothing to do with Mann's department. However, given the high-profile the university is currently under as a result of his involvement in ClimateGate, it seems absurd that any federal funds involving climate change would be going to this school while it is investigating its chief proponent of this myth. Maybe more importantly, why are economic stimulus funds being given to a university for scientific research in the first place, especially one with such political overtones? As NCPPR noted in its release: Despite the obviously controversial nature of this funding and its recipient, I can identify absolutely no media coverage concerning the matter. I'm sure now that NCPPR has exposed this hypocrisy, press outlets across the fruited plain will be aggressively investigating economic stimulus grants to Mann and others involved in the ClimateGate scandal in order to inform the public about how their tax dollars are being spent. Of course, I'm not holding my breath.
ClimateGate's Michael Mann Received Stimulus Funds, Media Mum
January 14, 2010 - 09:44 ET In the face of rising unemployment and record-breaking deficits, policy experts at the National Center for Public Policy Research are criticizing the Obama Administration for awarding a half million dollar grant from the economic stimulus package to Penn State Professor Michael Mann, a key figure in the Climategate controversy.
A nearly $1.9 million grant from the National Science Foundation is enabling a Penn State-led group of researchers to continue studies on the potential effects of climate change on the spread of infectious diseases, such as malaria and dengue. The grant is part of federal stimulus funding authorized under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
"It's no wonder that Obama's stimulus plan is failing to produce jobs. Taxpayer dollars aren't being used in the ways most likely to spur job creation. The stimulus was not sold to the public as a way to reward a loyalist in the climate change debate. Nor was the stimulus sold as a way to promote the Obama Administration's position on the global warming theory...As is often the case, political considerations corrupt the distribution of government funds," said Deneen Borelli, a fellow with the National Center's Project 21 black leadership network.
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I see allegations, but no proof. There are embedded links in the article but in following them, no proof of that grant is presented. I won't just take someones word for it. http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-Michael_Mann_Money_011410.html mentions it too, and it was credited as a source in this article. No proof though.
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And what motive would they have to lie about something that can be easily cross checked? If the grant was authorized and given it is a matter of public record. Methinks thou doth protest too much and in the wrong way for your protest to be credible. If you were trying to discredit the article more effective would have been to call them bad names not attack them on a point their adversaries could easily validate and refute if false.
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The article was written by Noel Sheppard who is above reproach in my book.
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That's funny! I guess I struck a nerve??? nd what motive would they have to lie about something that can be easily cross checked? Did I say they lied? No. If it is so easy to cross check, then why didnt they cross check it in the article? YOU say it's easy. Why wasnt something SOOOO EASY to do, done? Methinks thou doth protest too much and in the wrong way for your protest to be credible. I protest nothing but the lack of proof presented. An huge allegation was made in the title(!) and it wasn't backed up. Why? If you were trying to discredit the article more effective would have been to call them bad names not attack them on a point their adversaries could easily validate and refute if false. I didnt try and discredit the article. It discredited itself. Just because it goes along with what you and I believe to be true doesn't make it so. Is it true? Who knows. Maybe it is. You sure can't tell from that article. They posted links to everything put their allegation about the grant. Why did they omit that?
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I suppose nobody should jump to conclusions on any of these articles posted including the police brutality matters that come to us without a full and complete investigation, or testimony from the police officer.
Absolutely. After all there is always two sides to the story.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nope. Apples and oranges. WHen pigs commit these crimes, they are arrested and charged with them (by other pigs that I'm sure would just as soon cover them all up, but can't). They are specific charges and there is specific evidence. It is never the result of someone on the internet saying that Pig X did _____________ to me... Really, JT, I thought you of all people would see the difference. But you hint at a point, and that is that I personally tend to see them as being guilty as charged before they are convicted.
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I went thru your post point by point. Let's see if you can do that. I won't hold my breath.
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Isn't this the idiot that swears the Earth is on the verge of an Ice Age?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
By Terry Krepel Posted 6/21/2007 We know that NewsBusters blogger Noel Sheppard is eager to mislead and smear on many topics, so it's no surprise that global warming is one of them. Indeed, Sheppard has issued dozens of posts on the subject. But many of them either baselessly attack global warming proponents or downplay or ignore the flaws in anti-global warming arguments or the dubious records of their promoters. Bashing Gore Needless to say, chief among Sheppard's targets is Al Gore, whom he regularly insults. Bashing a Washington Post article about Gore's unusual path from failed presidential candidate to subject of the award-winning film "An Inconvenient Truth" and chief advocate of a response to global warming, Sheppard declared in a Feb. 25 post that the article was "sickening," asserting that "the text despicably read like a tabloid story about Britney Spears' shaved head or Elvis sightings in Las Vegas," finally sneering, "Had enough? I have. Those that are interested can read the rest at their own risk. I’ve got to go wash my hands, and disinfect my keyboard." In a Feb. 26 post, Sheppard called "An Inconvenient Truth" a "schlockumentary" (an epithet he had used earlier in a Jan. 23 post, adding that it was a "farcical political advertisement") and after excerpting a section of Gore's Oscar acceptance speech, he added: "Can someone point me in the direction of the nearest water closet?" In the comments section, Sheppard elaborated: "He's a charlatan who doesn't believe in anything but himself and attaining power. And, he's commiting a fraud on the population for his own benefit, not yours, and certainly not mine." Sheppard offered no evidence to support this claim. A Feb. 19 post by Sheppard regurgitated Fox News host Sean Hannity's attack on Al Gore for purportedly not be as "carbon-neutral" as he has proclaimed himself to be. But as NewsHounds pointed out, Hannity conflated "global warming" with "climate change" and confused "carbon imprint" with "carbon neutrality." Hannity's complaint that flying in a private jet, which he claims that Gore prefers, "does more than four times the carbon emission damage to the environment than flying a regular commercial jet" falls hollow given Hannity's own taste for the Gulfstream lifestyle, something Sheppard failed to note. Further, as Wonkette added, if there is no such thing as human-based global warming, as Sheppard appears to believe, how can Gore be causing it? Dubious track records ignored Sheppard's chief tactic is to uncritically repeat any suggestion that counters the idea that humans cause global warming without noting any potential problems in those claims. In a May 22 post, Sheppard promoted, as he had previously, the British film "The Great Global Warming Swindle," which according to Sheppard "presents the other side of the climate change debate the media and folks like soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore don’t want you to hear." But Sheppard did not mention dubious claims in the film and others made by its director, Martin Durkin. Media Matters reported that, in an April 25 article in the UK's Scotsman, the film is "under fire" for claiming "that the world was hotter during the 'Medieval Warm Period' based on a graph that ended in 1975, and that volcanoes produce more carbon dioxide than humans."According to one study, volcanoes produce about 2 per cent of the emissions from human use of fossil fuels." According to Media Matters, Durkin made a film in 1999 which argued that silicone implants reduce the incidence of breast cancer, as well as a 1997 Channel 4 series called "Against Nature" that, according to The Guardian, "compared environmentalists ... to Nazis, conspiring against the world's poor" and caused the UK's Independent Television Commission to "hand down one of the most damning verdicts it has ever reached: the programme makers 'distorted by selective editing' the views of the interviewees and 'misled' them about the 'content and purpose of the programmes when they agreed to take part'. Channel 4 was forced to make a humiliating prime time apology." Related articles on ConWebWatch: NewsBusted Going to Extremes Swing to the Right The Disconnect, Part 2: The End of the Affair NewsBusted: The Finkelstein File NewsBusted: The Sheppard File Lies, Conservatives and Statistics: Marc Morano's Fantasy In a March 21 post, Noel Sheppard signed on to do the bidding of global warming-bashing Sen. James Inhofe by reliably regurgitating Inhofe's press release claiming that, during his Senate testimony about global warming, Al Gore "refused" to take Inhofe's "Personal Energy Ethics Pledge," in which he demanded that Gore "consume no more energy for use in [his] residence than the average American household by March 21, 2008." In fact, Inhofe, apparently forgetting that he was no longer a committee chairman, repeatedly interrupted Gore as he tried to answer Inhofe's demand that he take the pledge -- one Inhofe showed no evidence of following himself, by the way -- as he explained his purchase of wind energy and other green energy that does not produce carbon dioxide, his efforts to be "carbon neutral" and to install solar panels at his home, all of which meets Inhofe's requirement of "reducing ... fossil fuel-based home energy usage." A March 16 post declared that global warming skeptics "beat the believers" in a debate. Sheppard's source for this claim? A post by Inhofe's director of communications, Marc Morano, not exactly an objective source. Morano, by the way, is a former CNSNews.com reporter who is best known as the co-author of a 2006 hit piece on Rep. John Murtha. (Shortly before leaving CNS for Inhofe, he promoted the allegations of disgraced ex-NASA spokesman George Deutsch -- who was resigned his post after it was revealed that he had not graduated from college as his resume claimed -- in an attempt to discredit NASA global warming scientist James Hansen.) A March 12 post repeated a New York Times article on global warming skeptics, commenting: "Amazing. The New York Times is suggesting that Dr. Gore might have exaggerated his claims and gone beyond scientific evidence? Somebody other than Punch should pinch me." But as Media Matters detailed, several of the skeptics cited in the Times article have have records of misinformation on the issue. A March 19 NewsBusters post by Sheppard touted (along with CNSNews.com and NewsMax) a challenge by Lord Monckton, "a former advisor to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher," to Al Gore to hold "an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, 'That our effect on climate is not dangerous.' " But Sheppard doesn't tell us the rest of the story: According to The Raw Story website, Lord Monckton (aka Christopher Monckton, Viscount Monckton of Brenchley) has no scientific credentials, holding degrees only in classics and journalism. So why is he in any way authoritative on the issue of global warming? His apparent main claim to fame is a lengthy article in the British paper the Telegraph claiming that, in the words of British Guardian columnist George Monbiot, "climate change is a hoax perpetrated by a leftwing conspiracy coordinated by the United Nations." Monbiot calls Monckton's article "a mixture of cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish," adding, "There is scarcely a line in Lord Monckton's paper which is not wildly wrong." A March 1 NewsBusters post by Sheppard misrepresented an anti-global warming theory as mainstream when, in fact, it's merely one man's idea. In what he called an "absolutely startling report about climate change," Sheppard cited a National Geographic News report on a claim by Russian scientist Habibullo Abdussamatov that global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun, not by man. While Sheppard did excerpt a segment of the article calling it "one scientist's controversial theory," he went on to state, without offering evidence, that "To be sure, Abdussamatov is not the first scientist to make this claim." However, Sheppard was vague in describing the criticism of the theory in the article: "In a piece that debunked what the supposed consensus believes on this issue, the magazine spent almost the bulk of the space alloted citing scientists that don’t buy Abdussamatov’s conclusions starting with, 'Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.' " But Sheppard did not detail the specific -- and serious -- criticisms of Abdussamatov's theory contained in the article. Chief among them: Not only did Abdussamatov apparently fail to take into account changes in Mar's orbit and tilt that would affect changes in Mars' climate, the article adds: "Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface." Hidden backgrounds To nobody's surprise, Sheppard used NewsBusters posts on May 3 and May 4 to tout claims made by various global warming skeptics during CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck's anti-global warming special. Also to no one's surprise, Sheppard doesn't say a thing about the energy industry links and previous misleading claims made by those same skeptics Beck featured in his special. One of them is Timothy Ball, whose claims Sheppard touted in posts on Feb. 5 and Feb. 14. But as the DeSmog Blog noted, despite promoting himself as "the first Canadian PhD in Climatology," the record suggests a paucity of published scholarly research on the subject. Another entry makes the point clearer, claiming that "Dr. Ball has not published any research in a peer-reviewed science journal in the last 20 years." Another is Bjorn Lomborg, whose claims Sheppard noted in his May 4 post. As Media Matters noted, Lomborg wrote a book that purported to conduct a "non-partisan analysis" of environmental data, concluding that claims about global warming were overblown. But in January 2002, Scientific American ran a series of articles from four well-known environmental specialists that lambasted Lomborg's book for "egregious distortions," "elementary blunders of quantitative manipulation and presentation that no self-respecting statistician ought to commit," and sections that were "poorly researched and ... rife with careless mistakes." A June 5 post by Sheppard claimed that the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change -- which published a "detailed analysis" attacking claims by NASA's James Hansen about "a dire global warming future" -- is a "scientific organization." Sheppard adds: "Think this study will get much air or print space tonight or tomorrow? Neither do I." Nowhere does Sheppard mention the main reason the study will not get the attention he thinks it deserves -- the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change has close ties to the energy industry, which typically funds global warming skeptics like the Center. The organization's principals -- Sherwood Idso and his sons, Craig and Keith, have all worked for the Western Fuels Association, a cooperative that supplies coal and transportation services to consumer-owned electric utilities in the western United States. Further, the organization has received $90,000 from ExxonMobil Corp. between 1998 and 2005. Sherwood Idso has defended receiving such funding, insisting that "the mere existence of funding, whether from private or public sources, does not, in and of itself, prove malfeasance on the part of the funds' recipients" (italics his). ExxonSecrets.org, though, reported that the Center "does not reveal its funding sources," which makes it difficult to judge whether how believeable Idso is on this subject. Bogus 'state climatologists' In a Feb. 7 post, Sheppard touted the case of Oregon "state climatologist" George Taylor, who was to be stripped of his "job" because he didn't "buy into the junk science of anthropogenic global warming." In fact, as Think Progress reported, there's no official Oregon "state climatologist," Taylor is not trained in climatology, and losing the honorary title will not cost him any income or his current job as a college instructor. (WorldNetDaily's Craige McMillan and CNSNews.com also repeated the bogus claims about Taylor's position.) In a Feb. 23 post -- after citing the bogus claim about the Oregon "state climatologist" -- he repeated an article claiming that Delaware's "state climatologist," David Legates, has been ordered by the governor to "stop using his title in public statements on climate change." Sheppard added by way of weak qualification, "I haven’t been able to identify how long Legates has held this title, but it doesn’t appear to have been given to him by her." In fact, according to the newspaper article he cited (but doesn't include in his excerpt for his post), the "state climatologist" position carries no state salary or authority. “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I protest nothing but the lack of proof presented. An huge allegation was made in the title(!) and it wasn't backed up. Why? If the basis was not factual you would not have both a Press Release and seperate news article. If you really wanted to know and not just find a point upon which to cavil you would research it. I am not your librarian and I don't vouch for the article, but do find it to be, on the face of it, credible. The parties involved, as I pointed out already, would be highly unlikely to make such a statement if there were not records supporting it. As well we know the far left is deeply entranced by "the sky is falling" scenarios, and always the wrong ones, as there are legitimate environmental issues. So, given the government's propensity for funding politically motivated science, such as glowbull warming I find it highly credible that such a grant was given to a Professor now under investigation for his academic dishonesty. However, if I was really concerned about it I would do the research but see no need to at this point, and frankly my dear I don't give a damn. At this juncture Glowbull Warming is known to be a scam contradicted by various evidences all in the public domain. This clearly is simply a further move to embarrass the good doctor and Kommissar Oh'bummer - both badly in need of it.
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I see nothing there other that unsubstantiated smears which take opinions then try to twist them into factual inaccuracies without once producing a factual inaccuracy. In other words a hit piece aimed at attacking Mr. Sheppard's credibility. Convincing only to the weak of mind and true beeeeeeeeelievers in Glowbull Warming which is essentially an identity. Nowhere in that smear piece is there anything which factually refutes the stipulated facts in the article on this thread. Is Professor Michael Mann of Penn State under investigation for forging evidence? Yes or No? Was he, or was he not, given a half million dollar grant by the Oh'bummer maladministration? Yes or No? The article you posted is nothing more than an Argumentum Ad Hominem attack on Mr. Sheppard. Your posting of it is nothing more than a Red Herring.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Sheppard is nothing more than an anti-Gore fanatic. The punk has no credentials other than being a wise-ass on Internet blogs. BFD.
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Was he, or was he not, given a half million dollar grant by the Oh'bummer maladministration? Yes or No? Good post. Thanks for the ping.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It is not up to me to research anything. The article made a charge, but didn't provide the proof that is supposedly sooooo easy to provide. It is their job to do the research since he wrote the fucking article, not me. I am not your librarian and I don't vouch for the article, but do find it to be, on the face of it, credible. I did not ask you to be my librarian. How's that for a red herring? YOu intentionally distract by making another baseless charge. If the basis was not factual you would not have both a Press Release and seperate news article. You're kidding, right? ANYONE can make a press release. ANYONE can write an article. Where is the proof that he got that grant? As well we know the far left is deeply entranced by "the sky is falling" scenarios, and always the wrong ones, as there are legitimate environmental issues. So, given the government's propensity for funding politically motivated science, such as glowbull warming I find it highly credible that such a grant was given to a Professor now under investigation for his academic dishonesty. In other words, you are stating that you believe it because of what was done in the past. We all do that. Me included. But that does not mean he got that grant. That is what the article title was all about, and no proof was given. Evidently he wrote that headline, or his editor did, as a way to get attention for that article, hoping that the reader will overlook that lack of proof in the article. At this juncture Glowbull Warming is known to be a scam contradicted by various evidences all in the public domain. This clearly is simply a further move to embarrass the good doctor and Kommissar Oh'bummer - both badly in need of it. If you are going to intentionally embarrass someone, make sure it is for something they did, or you will be the one embarrassed. Global warming is crap. I dont need a suspect article to confirm what I already know (or believe, as the case may be). Did he get that grant? Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I really don't know. But you just stated that you will overlook that technicality in order to "embarrass" someone. Do you need a bunch of possible lies to support what you say you believe?
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ROTFL ... By Noel Sheppard As Democrats and their president-elect -- with invaluable assistance from their media minions -- continue spreading climate hysteria in order to raise taxes and redistribute wealth, a possibly inconvenient truth has just been presented to the international community: "The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science." Additionally, the entire bogus manmade global warming theory that climate alarmists and their surrogates have been forcing down the throats of the citizenry "is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the ‘big picture’ of long-term climate change." Such was reported by Russia's Pravda Sunday, and it not only goes quite counter to the junk science being espoused by folks like Nobel Laureate Al Gore and his accomplices James Hansen and Gavin Schmidt, but it has also been regularly proffered by many of the real scientists and climatologists around the world that global warming loving media not only refuse to cite and/or interview, but also disgracefully ridicule as deniers and flat earthers. According to Pravda, it is Gore, Hansen, Schmidt, and all their sycophant devotees that are the flat earthers who are distracting the world from a much more serious climate threat (emphasis added throughout): The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years. Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years. Sounds much like what the realist side has been saying for years, doesn't it? But it gets better: During the 1970s the famous American astronomer Carl Sagan and other scientists began promoting the theory that ‘greenhouse gasses’ such as carbon dioxide, or CO2, produced by human industries could lead to catastrophic global warming. Since the 1970s the theory of ‘anthropogenic global warming’ (AGW) has gradually become accepted as fact by most of the academic establishment, and their acceptance of AGW has inspired a global movement to encourage governments to make pivotal changes to prevent the worsening of AGW. The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.” The ‘hockey stick’ graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07. However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures. The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years -- evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials. Sounds exactly like what the realists claim, and have been claiming, correct? But there's more: The reason that global CO2 levels rise and fall in response to the global temperature is because cold water is capable of retaining more CO2 than warm water. That is why carbonated beverages loose [sic] their carbonation, or CO2, when stored in a warm environment. We store our carbonated soft drinks, wine, and beer in a cool place to prevent them from loosing their ‘fizz’, which is a feature of their carbonation, or CO2 content. The earth is currently warming as a result of the natural Ice Age cycle, and as the oceans get warmer, they release increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Because the release of CO2 by the warming oceans lags behind the changes in the earth’s temperature, we should expect to see global CO2 levels continue to rise for another eight hundred years after the end of the earth’s current Interglacial warm period. We should already be eight hundred years into the coming Ice Age before global CO2 levels begin to drop in response to the increased chilling of the world’s oceans. The Vostok ice core data graph reveals that global CO2 levels regularly rose and fell in a direct response to the natural cycle of Ice Age minimums and maximums during the past four hundred and twenty thousand years. Within that natural cycle, about every 110,000 years global temperatures, followed by global CO2 levels, have peaked at approximately the same levels which they are at today. The conclusion: The AGW theory is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the ‘big picture’ of long-term climate change. The data from paleoclimatology, including ice cores, sea sediments, geology, paleobotany and zoology, indicate that we are on the verge of entering another Ice Age, and the data also shows that severe and lasting climate change can occur within only a few years. While concern over the dubious threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming continues to distract the attention of people throughout the world, the very real threat of the approaching and inevitable Ice Age, which will render large parts of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable, is being foolishly ignored. For what it's worth, Accuweather's Joe Bastardi told Glenn Beck last Tuesday that Russia's Vladimir Putin may have cut supplies of gas from the Ukraine to Europe because he believes the globe is about to go into a cooling phase, and controlling natural gas will give his country a great deal of added power on that continent. Maybe Putin was aware of this article about to be published by Pravda? Regardless, it's going to be very interesting to see how much this report gets covered here in America where our media, regardless of how cold it is or how cold it might get, still believe Al Gore. Stay tuned. Post facto thought-provoker: the climate alarmists regularly proffer that America and the world, regardless of whether or not AGW theory becomes prophecy, should prepare for that possibility. Not doing so in their view would be foolish. Well, what if the realists who believe we're entering another serious cooling phase are right? Wouldn't it be foolish for us not to prepare for that outcome? After all, as most American residences and structures were built during the recent warming phase, they're not prepared for significantly colder temperatures. Neither is our current electricity grid or our supply of natural gas and heating oil. Also, it is MUCH easier to deal with warmer temperatures than cooler ones. Maybe more important, a lot more people die from the cold than the heat. As such, using the alarmist argument that it's foolish not to prepare for a possible outcome, and given the greater consequences involved in a global cooling, shouldn't we be allocating more resources and energy to preparing for it? How might we accomplish this? Well, with the economy in a serious recession, and Congress considering a stimulus package, how about one that offers tax credits to individuals and businesses that upgrade their heating systems, improve insulation, and install double-pane windows? Such purchases would not only prepare the nation for a possible cooling, but also fuel the economy and create jobs. While we're at it, as we're going to need more heating oil, maybe we should fast-track the licensing of new refinery construction so that the inventory of such will be on the upswing thereby reducing the likelihood of price spikes from future supply constraints. Such construction would also create jobs. Of course, if we are going to need more heating oil, we should remove the current impediments to exploration and drilling both offshore and in the nation's oil shale-rich interior. Without question, if Pravda and the hundreds of climate realists predicting a cooling are right, America needs to prepare for it. Given the current state of our economy, proactive solutions should be looked at as sound investments in our nation's future with the ancillary benefit of much-needed job creation. Or is this too logical for global warming-obsessed politicians and media? *****Update: NBer robertinseattle accurately pointed out in the comments section that the author of this Pravda piece has some interesting views about 9/11 that would make Rosie O'Donnell proud. In fact, Gregory F. Fegel, although being an American, doesn't care for his homeland much as depicted in his blogs here and here. How delicious that an America-hating Truther who contributes to Pravda has a firmer grasp of climatology than Nobel Laureate Al Gore, James Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, and most of the folks at the IPCC. Now THAT'S entertainment!!! —Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter. You can twitter him all you want. But he is a liar on accounts not knowing any scientific truth or merit; he is just a bobble-head.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
And there is something wrong with being "anti-Gore"? He is a freakin' liar whose film, if it were shown in England, had to have disclaimers about the inaccuracies it contains. "...In order for the film to be shown, the Government must first amend their Guidance Notes to Teachers to make clear that 1.) The Film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument. 2.) If teachers present the Film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination. 3.) Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children. How marvelous. And what are those inaccuracies? * The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct. * The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years. * The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming. * The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case. * The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm. * The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant's evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility. * The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim. * The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia. * The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing. * The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration. * The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim. Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/09/court-identifies-eleven-inaccuracies-al-gore-s-inconvenient-truth#ixzz0colvOiAc Credentials or not, he has your boy's number.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You betcha sweet booties there is. At least Gore pushed an important issue confronting ALL of us. Now, I don't agree with Gore on many attributes; but we can't dismiss the nexus or the focus of attention. Agreeing with some crack-pot "anti-Gore" sentiment makes you look like a climber. You are too funny and indeed I think you are so full of BS, it makes Al Gore look like an innocent angel.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I haven't a dog in the fight, PSUSA, but as you point out the goal for all should be accuracy. Having been the subject of newspaper articles where bums lied and I was under orders not to say a word, I'm here to tell you many initial reports are inaccurate and incomplete. And believe me an arrest isn't an indicator of guilt. Our jails are filled w/innocent people. As you accurately state we are missing a complete investigation in this article. Given the lie that is glowbull warming, and my proximity to PSU, I'm inclined to believe that Mann received at least that much money for being a paid liar for the Climate Scam. If he didn't receive that money, he probably has cause for legal action so the validity of the story is actually on his shoulders.
I understand that. I dont doubt for a second that what you say is true. Some will hurt themselves to accuse a cop of brutality. IIRC that is why they invented double locking cuffs. They would intentionally bounce them against a wall them to tighten them up to cut off their own circulation. I bet, though, that the standard used to arrest a cop is a lot higher than it would be for any of us. Did he get that grant? I wouldn't doubt it. But IMO things are bad enough without making things up or getting sloppy when it comes to proof. If I was on a jury and articles like that were presented as evidence, I'd vote to acquit.
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The whole fucking world is melting and you think it is a "scam." Just like your continuous closet shell back in 1999 broadcasting "Y2K" phenomena around the Internet which never happened, other than your BS. You are out of touch with reality and yourself.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I would too. I'd want to see the paper trail. I will say this. The Mann story is national, but not in State College, PA. Mums the word in the hills. I've seen exactly one article in the local fish wrap and Mann, when asked about his emails, claimed he was being "set up." He was either not asked the standard, who, what, why series of questions by the reporter, or didn't elaborate. I thought that was an odd reply without him going into detail. I'd be pissed if I were being set up and I'd use every platform available to get my message out.
LOL! If someone told me that, I'd be like a shark that just got a whiff of blood in the water! Either he'd talk, or he would not like what I wrote about him. No way in "hell" I'd just give him a platform to spew crap like that. So much for the press on this one. And thank God for the internet. If it wasn't for that, we'd never have heard a thing about this scam.
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Al Gore pushed that bs "global warming" hoax to line his own pockets. Most people have that figured out but some people take longer to catch on than others. Maybe you will catch on someday. As for your opinion about how full of bs I am, that is like Madeline Albright, Rosa de Lauro or Bella Abzug calling someone ugly. Not anything that most folks would take seriously.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL! That is one of the dumbest statements I have seen all week. Maybe in a month. The little town where I used to live used to have ice skating almost every winter. Haven't for a long time but this year they are again because the lakes are frozen so hard that it is safe. And most of the "whole f***ing world," or at least a big part of it, is having record breaking cold temperatures. So how could it be "melting down"? Hie thyself off to a pharmacy or a Super Wal-Mart and buy all the Ex-Lax they have in stock. It MIGHT be enough to start on cleaning you out.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I been in Texas almost ten years, and I've never seen anything like the hard freeze we had in Harris County of late. All my pipes froze. (A first.) I had ice floating on the pool, and an eight foot philodenron that's been growing next to the house for some fifteen years, surviving numerous annual frosts, has given up the ghost. I can't bear to cut it down yet. The neighbors have pronounced it a goner.
Yeah, ol' pickleroo must be getting his talking points straight out of the jackass's mouth. Somehow it is "inconvenient" for them to tell the truth.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Someone's brain is melting.
Yeah, sad indeed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Who says otherwise? The REAL issue is the world's climate is changing. Government can't do much about it other than making a few people feel good while they all die of starvation and thirst. But you already knew that, correct? So you bury your head in the sand ignoring the fact that the world is dying. Too cool. Either you are too god-damned lazy to get off the couch or you are too ignorant to [do] much else. Which is it?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
In other words, you are stating that you believe it because of what was done in the past. No actually I ran into an article a week or ten days ago about the Professor being under investigation and in danger of losing his job. I just did not feel any compelling need to go chase down something you could prove or disprove to yourself with 5 minutes on a good search engine. The kind of science he does is routinely funded by grants and if it concerned me greatly I could probably chase down other references. It is you who are challenging the article and in effect denying the information presented. Of course that you have no validation for that it is of even lesser weight than that of the article since it is a transparent artifice to cast doubt upon the information by stating your OPINION. You are most welcome to your opinion but when you play games I will challenge those games. So, elapsed time about 20 seconds here is page one of the search results I got from ixquick using the search terms: Professor Michael Mann Penn state investigation PSU investigates 'Climategate' - The Daily Collegian Online **** The inquiry will determine if further investigation is warranted, a ... One of the researchers in-volved is Penn State meteorology professor Michael Mann. Penn State Will Investigate 'Climategate' - The Paper Trail *** Accusations that a professor fudged climate change research will be investigated by the school. http:// Michael Mann | Onward State ** First, we have Professor Michael Mann helping cover up evidence that ... One of the researchers caught up in this scandal is Penn State Professor of Meteorology, Michael Mann. http:// Penn State Professor Welcomes Climate E-Mail Scrutiny (Is ** A Penn State professor said he welcomes the school's investigation... 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These are extreme groups, and some have even come under federal investigation for alleged support of Middle Eastern terrorism. http://www.hyscience.com - Highlight Michael Mann | Onward State *** First, we have Professor Michael Mann helping cover up evidence that One of the researchers caught up in this scandal is Penn StateProfessor of Meteorology, Michael Mann. http://www.onwardstate.com/tag/michael-mann/?mo=1&yr=2010 - Highlight - 3 more top results from this site Penn State Will Investigate 'Climategate' - The Paper Trail *** Accusations that a professor fudged climate change research will be investigated by the school. http://www.usnews.com/ blogs/ paper-trail/ 2009/ 11/ 30/ penn-state-will-investigate-climategate.html - Highlight Michael Mann first of climate change scientists to be *** Dr. Michael Mann will be investigated by Penn State Universityfollowing the release of more than a thousand emails from the world'stop climate scientists. http://www.examiner.com/ x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner~y2009m11d29-Michael-Mann-first-of-cli mate-change-scientists-to-be-investigated - Highlight "Nittany Lyin': Penn State Helping ClimateGate Prof. Michael *** The Daily Caller: Climategate professor Michael Mann protected to maximum extent' by Penn State policy By Scott Ott It ultimately falls to http://www.infidelsparadise.com/?p=14858 - Highlight Penn State Professor Welcomes Climate E-Mail Scrutiny (Is ** A Penn State professor said he welcomes the school's investigation... Didn't I read that one of them was going to demand an independent investigation of Mann? ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400760/posts - Highlight - 2 more top results from this site Michael E. Mann — Penn State Meteorology and Atmospheric Science ** Michael E. Mann. Professor of Meteorology; Joint Appointment with the ... methods for climate signal detection, and investigations ... Copyright ©2010, The Pennsylvania State ... www.met.psu.edu/people/mem45 - Highlight Climategate: Penn State Professor Mann under investigation ** Michael Mann, Professor, Director of Earth System Sci. Center Penn State University is home to the largest meteorology program in the nation. 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Particularly piquant was the link to the Wall Street Journal using the same reference to Fed "Stimulus Funds". Have a nice day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
would you like to speculate about the logical consequences of putting an extra trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in the last 150 years?
Growing Glaciers ****** Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States glaciers in the world's highest mountain range could vanish within.three decades, V. K. www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm Glaciers on California's Mt Shasta keep growing **** Article:Glaciers on California's Mt Shasta keep growing:/n/a/2008/07 ... The glaciers have soaked up the snowfall and have been adding more snow than is lost ... www.sfgate.com/ cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/ n/ a/ 2008/ 07/ 08/ state/ n130432D99.DTL Himalayan Glaciers Seem to Be Growing : Discovery News *** Perched on the soaring Karakoram mountains in the Western Himalayas, a group of some 230 glaciers are bucking the global warming trend. They're growing. news.discovery.com/earth/...ayas-glaciers-shrink.html FS-001-03--Hubbard Glacier, Alaska: Growing and Advancing in ** Hubbard Glacier, Alaska: Growing and Advancing in Spite of Global Climate Change and the ... Hubbard Glacier has been advancing for more than 100 years and has ... pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-001-03/ Glaciers in Norway Growing Again * A glacial region in Norway (Source: NRK)Scandinavian nation reverses trend, mirrors results in Alaska, elsewhere. After years of decline, glaciers in Norway are again growing, reports the Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Directorate (NVE). (Submitted by LeadOffMan) www.dailytech.com/Glaciers in Norway Growing Again/article13540.htm Alaska glaciers on the rebound « Watts Up With That? * In recent times they’ve been growing, although the general trend over the last 250 years has been one of retreat - as you drive up to the respective carparks you pass markers showing where the glacier fronts were in 1750, 1800 and so on. On the eastern side of the ranges the story is quite differe www.wattsupwiththat.com/2...-glaciers-on-the-rebound/ THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
would you like to speculate on the logical consequences of putting another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, once the shade from particulates fall out of the atmosphere (in about five years) and the co2 persists for another couple hundred years?
How about saying that over the last 150 years the population of mankind has increased from about 500,000,000 to over 6,500,000,000,000. And these lazy people on this web site don't realize that this HUGE change has set forward their own demise.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
well, i guess, then, the solution is to kill a few billion poeple. no problem.
the only problem seems to be: is there any way we can blame god for all those billions of deaths?
It will come to that. War about resources has corrected mankind's population from the beginning.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
well. wars that kill billions will have to be blamed on god. there's not a man in the world that would be capable of such a thing, is there?
No. However, I would comment that while that sounds like a big number you are talking about an entire planetary atmospheric system so I would ask - from what sources, what means, and to what effect? As well would be comparative studies which: A. Validate those gases i.e, "what gases? Then demonstrate with good science (meaning mathematics and actual data - not fudged data invented at the CRU to falsely tilt the image)that the volume increase is significant in relation to the planetary atmospheric system and attributable to human action - beyond just living? (Of note here is the work of Prof. James E. Lovelock, Atmospheric Chemist, and his "Gaia Hypothesis" which asserts, using actual sciece, that the system is a self correcting one which when taken out of equilibrium will adjust over time back to equilibrium.) B. Demonstrate via actual data the effects of those hypothesised extra gases. We do know, from actual science not Glowbull Wahlarmingism, that based on the analysis of the ice cores analyzed by Paleoclimatologists that CO2 is a lagging indicator of a warming climate. The average, from memory, is about 60 years after the fact of warming.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
in other words, you refuse to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere. good enough.
Of course the world has produced millions of malevolent beasts. Our history is salt&peppered with the bastards.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
well, it would be a good thing to blame god, dont you think? i mean, if you wanted to escape the pitchforks... assuming there are americans left that know how to use one.
Why would I blame a comic book figure from yester-year for our own contemporary problems? It is not logical.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
good enough. Speculation is NOT science. It is the beginning of science but is NOT science. You are attempting to play "gotcha" by leading me into speculation upon a topic which is opinion only. In matters of science I prefer facts, and observations, not speculations. It is A FACT that 90% of the world's glaciers are growing. There is data which supports that. It is A FACT that since 1999 the overall global temperature has been downtrending. It is A FACT that the Antarctic Ice Cap has grown thicker. Given that the Glowbull Wahlarmists already have the territory of speculation and jiggered models nailed down I would not want to infringe upon their territory.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike. logic demands that you answer the question: what happens if we put another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere?
...and it's way too bad that global warming and sea level rise accounts for israel's surrendering the low ground in gaza while it continues its ethnic cleansing of the palestinian high ground in the west bank, isnt it?
ROTFL. You really believe your own Ouija keyboard, do ya?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You often seem educated although I think you are a bit hysteric from time to time. Read this: IPCC report as you have an opportunity, of course.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Politics masquerading as science.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
LOL ! You're such a stinky turd. The IPCC is another in a long list of 100% absolutely discredited global anti-American organizations, but then you had to have known this. You invested your last few pesos into this Scam, didn't you stinky...shall I continue to put up more flattery for you and your merry band of hoaxster shills ??
You kindly paid for the report because of your generous tax dollars. Why not read it?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
want to hazard a guess as to why israel turned lowland gaza back to the palestinians while it continues grabbing palestinians' high ground in the west bank?
Not that into global political propaganda.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Nope.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Al Gore-linked Goddard Institute claimed “hottest October on record” after using temperature figures from September Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Monday, November 17, 2008 Climate scientists allied with the IPCC have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, a shocking example of mass public deception that could spell the beginning of the end for the acceptance of man-made climate change theories. On Monday, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record. “This was startling,” reports the London Telegraph. “Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China’s official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its “worst snowstorm ever”. In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.” It soon came to light that the data produced by NASA to make the claim, and in particular temperature records covering large areas of Russia, was merely carried over from the previous month. NASA had used temperature records from the naturally hotter month of September and claimed they represented temperature figures in October. When NASA was confronted with this glaring error, they then attempted to compensate for the lower temperatures in Russia by claiming they had discovered a new “hotspot” in the Arctic, despite satellite imagery clearly showing that Arctic sea ice had massively expanded its coverage by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany, since summer 2007. The figures published by Dr Hansen’s institute are one of the primary sets of data used by the IPCC to promote its case for man-made global warming and they are widely quoted because they consistently show higher temperatures than other figures. “Yet last week’s latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen’s methodology has been called in question,” reports the Telegraph. “In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.” Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC and a close ally of Hansen, also raised eyebrows recently during a presentation in Australia, during which he claimed that global temperatures have recently been rising “very much faster” than ever as he cited a graph showing purported temperature increases over the last decade. In fact, as even the vast majority of man-made global warming advocates will concede, temperatures since 1998 have moved sideways and over the last 18 months they have clearly begun a downward trend. Whether such “mistakes” are made in genuine error or are part of a politicized push for man-made global warming to be universally accepted, and the evidence clearly suggests that latter is the case, the fact is that we can no longer tolerate the cry that “the debate is over” on man-made global warming in light of such gargantuan falsehoods. Likewise, the push for carbon emissions to be reduced by 80 per cent or more, a figure that would completely cripple western economies and lower living standards to a near third world level, can no longer be accepted as a reasonable course of action now that the primary authority on man-made global warming, the UN IPCC, has been proven to be using fraudulent data to make its case. Foisted upon the public by means of giant multi-million dollar PR campaigns and brainwashing mandates that have worked themselves into every sector of society, including education, movies, television the arts and culture, all the attention and funding is being lavished upon a manufactured hoax, peddled with the aid of phony data, as governments prepare to suck what’s left out of the middle class and poor with carbon taxes that do nothing to help the environment, while all the real environmental problems are left in the shadows. IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic. Its sole purpose was to lay out a strategy for dealing with it. It was never intended to be a scientific investigation of the validity of AGW.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
you dont want to speculate on why israel is turning lowlands in gaza back to palestinians while continuing its ethnic cleansing of the high ground in the west bank. i dont blame you.
LOL, no just that it would be a waste of time better spent else where.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
one of the resident knuckledraggers was unwilling to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into that atmosphere. what about you?
What happens when the world population climbs dramatically without assessment?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Climategate emails force Al Gore to cancel talk at Copenhagen Al Gore's scheduled December 16th speech with the auspicious title "Climate Conclusion" has been canceled amid the scandal of Climategate. About 3,000 Danes had tickets for the Berlinske Media event that was announced in August. Al Gore has been the poster child for Global Warming, but has been under scrutiny from scientists who argue against the findings of humans' involvement in our climate. This was highlighted in the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. A British court had ruled that there were 9 factual errors [LOL !] in An Inconvenient Truth, yet it still won an Academy Award in 2007, along with the Nobel Prize shared with the IPCC. Again in November, mistakes were found in Al Gore's new book begin with the cover. While some are trying to explain away the cancellation, it seems pretty obvious that there is too much skepticism to show up in a large public forum like this. Mr. Gore had to deal with some hard questions at a book signing this past week, and had the readers escorted away rather than discuss Climategate. See that video at the bottom of this post. Unfortunately this apears like a direct attack, but this is all about getting the truth out. The conference on Global Climate is still scheduled to include 100 world leaders, but has come under attack for fraud and deceit. On Tuesday, Australia's Senate voted against their Carbon Trading bill, a measure that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd Last week, Penn State's Michael Mann was placed under investigation after being implicated for his 'trick' in changing old data to make current temperatures look warmer. Unfortunately the old original data was erased, a serious blow to the scientific process. CEI intends to sue NASA Goddard for Climate Change fraud based on 'Freedom of Information'. On Tuesday, The University of East Anglia's Phil Jones was forced to step down as director of the world renown Climate Research Unit due to an investigation of his involvement in the fraud. Rasumssen Reports released today from ClimateDepot.com shows the distrust more Americans have on this issue: "Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s Very Likely. Just 26% say it’s not very or not at all likely that some scientists falsified data. This skepticism does not appear to be the result of the recent disclosure of e-mails confirming such data falsification as part of the so- called “Climategate” scandal. Just 20% of Americans say they’ve followed news reports about those e-mails Very Closely, while another 29% have followed them Somewhat Closely." This past year, The Skeptics Handbook was released by Australia's own Joanne Nova as a way to simplify the debate with four main points. 1. The Greenhouse signature is missing. 2. The strongest evidence was the ice cores, but newer, more detailed data turned the theory inside out. 3. Temperature is not rising. 4. Carbon Dioxide is already doing almost all of the warming it can do.
are you, too, impervious to logic? or have you repealed the laws of physics?
Delightful. You truly are addicted to logical fallacies and specious reasoning. Here we get a "twofer the price of one" i.e. Guilt by Association a well known relative of the Red Herring. As well it amounts to Argumentum Ad Hominem as the implied attack is against me personally and is not based upon any factual data. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Exposition: Guilt by Association is the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it. This is the reverse of an Appeal to Misleading Authority, and might be justly called "Appeal to Anti-Authority". An argument to authority argues in favor of an idea based upon associating an authority figure with the idea, whereas Guilt by Association argues against an idea based upon associating it with disreputable people or groups. Senator Joseph McCarthy Exposure: McCarthyism was a specific version of Guilt by Association in which an individual, organization, or idea was associated in some way with communism. An association was made between the target of McCarthyism and communism by linking both through some shared idea. ..." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, you're in good company there with ol' "Tail Gunner" Joe McCarthy. That is a speculation - key word in your attempt to shore up a dying hypothesis "IF". "IF" is not science it is S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N. Try it on someone who hasn't studied logic, rhetoric, and the "Scientific Method" - you'll get a lot further. (Take Bucky for example.) A MODEL which is all that the Glowbull Warming Alarmists have is just that a MODEL - it is a mathematical computation based upon variables and parameters controlled by the person running the MODEL. A MODEL is not reality it is a simulacrum of reality NOT reality. Neither is it a crystal ball nor any of the other equally reliable means of forecasting the future such as studying chicken guts. You can take a Climate Model and show that the earth will turn into a ball of expanding fire last week depending upon how you jigger the variables and input data. A model is just that a model. Science contrariwise is observations, and mathematics. It is taking the observed data and fitting it into a coherent picture. In a coherent picture declining global average temperatures do not equal Glowbull Warming - no matter how long you hold your breath. The "CRU" data is false, and is shown to be false in the words and e-mails of the very people responsible for the L-I-E-S. I would continue but do not wish to entertain your false argument or attempted "gotcha" any further.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
or have you repealed the laws of physics? Excuse me?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
how much faith do you have in a reality that's created by people who think they are so powerful they're able to create their own reality?
IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
want to hazard a guess as to why israel turned lowland gaza back to the palestinians while it continues grabbing palestinians' high ground in the west bank? Again you tout a conclusion based upon a MODEL which was controlled and operated by proven liars. Please demonstrate that sea levels are rising in the real world - not in a controlled M-O-D-E-L.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
what if their reality is fantasy? what if their reality is an attempt to diguise their motive to drag america into wars? what if control of the media, political system, foreign policy and government only goes so far... what if the whole apparatus becomes a global laughingstock?
No, actually I talk to climate scientists, physicist and PhD's of all types. You are welcome to read the late Timo Niroma's work if you wish. "The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Your post suggests BLAH, BLAH and more BLAH as you hide from the truth. Is government going to save your tired and stinky ass? No, it is not. But look at yourself hiding ... you think that because of John Birch, you have discovered the truth. ROTFL.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You do know that it is the same people who fund AGW that have dragged us into wars etc.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
what if your whole apparatus has already become a global laughingstock?
Don't be an ass Buck. Debate please.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Please demonstrate that sea levels are rising in the real world - not in a controlled M-O-D-E-L. Like the Temp data it has been proven time and again that the sea level rise is based on cherry picked readings.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
what if people have figured out how you operate, have figured out your motives, have seen how well you've wormed yourselves into government and media? what if you've exploited the holyhoax so successfully that no one can overtly resist you, and those people have decided, instead, to give you enough rope to hang yourselves? what if you're walking into the noose?
Sure. Can you find someone for me to debate with? O_I seems convinced that he can fuck around with infinite sustainability. How is that?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
what if their reality is fantasy? what if their reality is an attempt to diguise their motive to drag america into wars? what if control of the media, political system, foreign policy and government only goes so far... what if the whole apparatus becomes a global laughingstock? Now you resort to quoting words I did not say i.e., A LIE. And you really don't expect me to take your temper tantrum seriously do you? Your "what if's" are ludicrous. At this point you are reduced to pyrotechics and lying. Hint: You lost the argument several posts ago.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
why are you so desperate?
Please demonstrate that sea levels are rising in the real world - not in a controlled M-O-D-E-L. Like the Temp data it has been proven time and again that the sea level rise is based on cherry picked readings. Exactly. We know from ACTUAL data and readings that the Polar Ice Caps are growing, as are most of the worlds major glaciers. So, if more water is bound up in ice what logical inference can we make from that about sea levels? Well lessee' - ice is made from water, water comes from the oceans, so more ice = less water. I suspect, but do not have the data to hand, that we might logically infer that sea levels are receding not rising. This is what has occurred at the onset of every Ice Age - and based upon the 11,500 year cyclical advances and retreats of the ice - we're overdue or about on the mark for a new ICE AGE.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
why is a jack ass such as yourself wasting our time ? fuck you bozo, that has to be a record...enjoy your strange and pathetic life as a discredited hack with chemical imbalances and likely some inbreeding. BOZO
what if you've exploited the holyhoax so successfully that no one can overtly resist you, and those people have decided, instead, to give you enough rope to hang yourselves? what if you're walking into the noose? what are you suggesting here?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I don't do Psych games either. Where did you take your Psych Degree from? Moo U?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I hope you enjoy that mouse in your pocket.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
you dont do psych games, and neither do you answer legitimate questions, such as: what are the logical consequences of depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
you're back on bozo too you fucking hack...you are NOTHING but a waste of time, GRACE
I think I'm going to go play on solarcycle24 for a while.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
He/she/it won't answer you.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
It is A FACT that since 1999 the overall global temperature has been downtrending. It is A FACT that the Antarctic Ice Cap has grown thicker. It was the "glowbull warming" that caused all that extra ice. >(;^{]
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Charming the old repeat an irrelevant question over and over acting as though it proves something ploy. Of course it has been answered - a couple of times - you just didn't like the answer.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Which greenhouse gasses would those be? If you are talking about CO2, the logic is that we would reach saturation, if we haven't already, and increasing CO2 beyond that point would have no effect. BTW, water vapor is the biggest greenhouse gas and the Earth is not a greenhouse. Greenhouses warm because of the lack of convection rather than the content of their gasses. The Earth has a lot of convection. Back to CO2, FYI, the Earth is at historic lows for CO2 content despite the recent rise. Where is the evidence that a rise in CO2, or a rise in temp for that matter, would be detrimental?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
so we can rest assured that there will be no consequences from depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. good enough. likewise, we can rest assured that you have repealed the laws of phyisics.
Are you aware that the AGW hypothesis breaks the laws of thermodynamics?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
The problem the warmists have now is that bereft of facts and data that support their preconceptions they are left playing games, obfuscation, name calling, and avoidance. It reminds me of Churchills comment on fanaticism: "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
An awesome knee-slapper. Are you a regular subscriber of NEWSMAX.com?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
original intent apparently is unwilling to follow the logic: if co2 is a greenhouse gas, and we've put a trillion extra tons of the stuff into the atmosphere... nevermind. it wont matter when jesus comes back.
nobody wants to think about the if-iness of jesus.
You're holding out on us, and I want to know just exactly what will happen if we put a trillion extra tons of the stuff into the atmosphere within the time period you refer to. I'm breathless with anticipation.
so we can rest assured that there will be no consequences from depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. good enough. likewise, we can rest assured that you have repealed the laws of phyisics. You are so delightfully addicted to falsehoods. Another false attribution and putting words in my mouth based on your unsupported assertion. What a divinely scrumptious bit of specious and false reasoning. At no time have you ever defined your terms or supported your phony question with any factual back-up. What gases? From What source? You assert a vague generality and then act as though you did as Mark Twain once observed: Any more asteroids to share with us?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What makes you think Jesus is going to save us? Because you read a free copy of Gideon's Bible at a Motel 6?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
smart ass
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Well it is certainly faith based. Of course that is Robert Heinlein's definition: "Faith is continued belief in the presence of contradictory data."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's kind of fun running over the Cap'N'Trade Globalist Shills®, then backing up over them again. Then just drive off...figuratively speaking, of course.
we'll probably get another 100 ppm of co2 concentration, which is bad enough, but nobody seems to know when the methane gets loose... ...and if the methane gets loose, we're back to pre-history, which is really kinda cool, because the oceans will turn into algae sludge, precipitate into layers, and after a few hundred million years of tectonic reshuffling, we'll have a brand new supply of oil. good deal.
smart ass I disagree. It should be "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
German Physicists Trash Global Warming “Theory” December 26, 2009 · 255 comments "The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Please lay out the physics and cut the corn.
what the fuck, you asshole? jesus loves me, the bible tells me so.
i wonder how many of these world kommie clowns put their 'money where their pie hole is' and bought heavily into the world kommie, global governance, subsidized Green Scam...i thought about a guy, maybe pickle boy, who mentioned buying a LOT of 'green stuff' type investments knowing the scam was Rockefeller sanctioned.
Just GREAT! Bring in the sci-fi authors to support your own thesis. This is just too damned phunney.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Buck is being sarcastic. He knows I'm not going to take him seriously when he does that. Nor does he intend me to.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I love it !!!
True, but I fear it is not good for their "mental health" (whatever that vague and undefined term means).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I am happy someone loves you. Maybe they can help you buy a raincoat, thus protecting you from acid rain.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You can't even get the science right. First of all, the oceans are the major source of CO2 and second it is ppmv. Don't forget the V, it is important!
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
You notice he/she/it hasn't answered my science once!
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
the main problem being: none of these people are willing to challenge the physics (warming properties) of the co2 and methane molecules. none of them are willing to challenge the fact that we're putting about 30 billion tons of warming gases into the atmosphere every year. so what are they left with? pretty goddamned slim pickings.
At this point investments in Glowbull Warming related scams are on the edge of Cheech and Chong territory - up in smoke.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I did but what are the odds I'll get an answer?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I did but you won't answer my posts on the science. Why not? Why don't you tell us all about the physics! Give us something to support your hypothesis.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
See, now there you go. You demand that a poster here answer your query, one that demands a rigorously well grounded reply. Anyone who has mastered forensics knows that the questioner in a debate should damn well know the answer to a question placed to his opponent before he asks it. Now we get "probably" 100 ppm. This why you get no credence here. I sincerely suspect that you don't know a damned thing.
Well, not me. As I've always told the depoppers: "depopulation begins with YOU and RIGHT NOW...show me your FAITH !"...
are co2 and methane warming gases? how many billion tons are humans putting in the atmosphere every year?
He gets no credence because it is not ppm, parts per million. It is ppmv, parts per million by volume! If he knew what he was talking about he would know that!
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Incredible ... you forgot to mention Robert Heinlein again.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
The Death Blow to Climate Science By Dr. Tim Ball Saturday, November 21, 2009 Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns. Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia. A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the files are theirs. They contain papers, documents letters and emails. The latter are the most damaging and contain blunt information about the degree of manipulation of climate science in general and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in particular. Climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists Dominant names involved are ones I have followed throughout my career including, Phil Jones, Benjamin Santer, Michael Mann, Kevin Trenberth, Jonathan Overpeck, Ken Briffa and Tom Wigley. I have watched climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists. This small, elite, community was named by Professor Wegman in his report to the National Academy of Science (NAS). I had the pleasure of meeting the founder of CRU Professor Hubert Lamb, considered the Father of Modern Climatology, on a couple of occasions. He also peer reviewed one of my early publications. I know he would be mortified with what was disclosed in the last couple of days. Jones claims the files were obtained illegally as if that absolves the content. It doesn’t and it is enough to destroy all their careers. Jones gave a foretaste of his behavior in 2005. Warwick Hughes asked for the data and method he used for his claim of a 0.6°C temperature rise since the end of the nineteenth century. Jones responded, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?” He has stonewalled ever since. The main reason was because it was used as a key argument in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Reports to convince the world humans caused rapid warming in the 20th century. The emails obtained are a frightening record of arrogance, and deception far beyond his 2005 effort. Another glimpse into what the files and emails reveal was the report by Professor Deming. He wrote, “ With publication of an article in Science (in 1995) I gained sufficient credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them someone who would pervert science in the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said. “We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” The person in question was Jonathan Overpeck and his even more revealing emails are part of those exposed by the hacker. It is now very clear that Deming’s charge was precise. They have perverted science in the service of social and political causes. Professor Wegman showed how this “community of scientists” published together and peer reviewed each other’s work. I was always suspicious about why peer review was such a big deal. Now all my suspicions are confirmed. The emails reveal how they controlled the process, including manipulating some of the major journals like Science and Nature. We know the editor of the Journal of Climate, Andrew Weaver, was one of the “community”. They organized lists of reviewers when required making sure they gave the editor only favorable names. They threatened to isolate and marginalize one editor who they believed was recalcitrant. Total Control These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game. CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”
You notice he/she/it hasn't answered my science once! Science? They don't need no steenking Science! They've got Al. (And Al is heavily invested in "Carbon Trading". Gee, I wonder if there's a connection?)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
how many billion tons are humans putting in the atmosphere every year? How does that compare to natural sources of CO2? Are you going to even acknowledge the science I have posted? Go read Dr. Gerlicks study I posted and tell us where he is wrong. Go read Dr. Niroma's studies and tell use where he is wrong. Can you even cite studies that would counter these excellent physicists?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Now we get "probably" 100 ppm. This why you get no credence here. the logic runs like this: we've supposedly burned about a trillion barrels of oil, and coal and gas on top of that. since the hydrocarbon age began, the co2 ppm has increased from 280 ppm to 380 ppm. there's supposed to be a trillion barrels of recoverable oil left, which we will burn. which leads to an inescapable conclusion, rough, but inescapable, that if we burn the rest of the coal and oil, we'll produce another trillion tons of co2. but again, the methane is the wild card, and nobody seems to know when the methane will get loose, and plunge us into a full-tilt warming cycle. but like i said before, it's all good, because a warming cycle will grow more oil.
You swear ? Swear it ! LOL
I did but you won't answer my posts on the science. Why not? Why don't you tell us all about the physics! Give us something to support your hypothesis. It took me a while before I recognized the posting style but our "buddy" groundresonance is a retread bannee.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
which doesnt explain, at all, why you are unable to refute my posts.
There it is, O_I. You lost this match.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
One does not refute smoke. One turns on the fan.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I always love that one...(our MN friend might be a morning A.M. fan of The Star / KFAN and can appreciate this...)
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Let's talk real figures here. You know, actual science. Not your back pocket numbers. Taken from Dr. Engelbeen's site. His paper shows the increase in CO2 is anthropogenic but he doesn't not believe in AGW. The natural seasonal exchange between vegetation and oceans at one side and the atmosphere at the other side is estimated at about 150 GtC/yr "The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
the fact remains: co2 and methane are greenhouse gases, and we're putting about 30 billion tons per year of those gases into the atmosphere. you can repeal the laws of physics, or you can confess to being an idiot.
In your case, you publish plagiarized pictures randomly grappled off the Internet.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Do you have something against the V? It's ppmv, ppmv, ppmv.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
why are you demonstrating debate tactics that hitler ascribed to jews?
LOL there you go, win by personal attack rather than refute the science.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
farmfriend seems determined to prove hitler was right about jews. pitiful
Do you think I'm a Jew? LOL Now that is funny.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Global warming is a fact.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
well, i dont think hitler said that jewish debate tactics were confined to jews, alone. on the other hand, since israelis and israeli americans have such a big motive to deny global warming, it's best to take you with a grain of salt.
you can repeal the laws of physics, or you can confess to being an idiot. Another logical fallacy the "False Dilemma" a.k.a. Black or White Fallacy. And of course there are other possibilities such as the physics does not support Glowbull Warming which as expostulated, as opposed to expustulated, violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Which of course by showing a third it proves the either/or fallacy to be what it is - false.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hasn't the "greenhouse effect" kind of gone the way of the phlogiston theory since up-to-date satellite measurements of irradiance from the upper atmosphere have vacated the levels of heat trapped which is predicted by that effect?
It's AGW that violates the laws of physics or do you think Dr. Gerlick got it wrong?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
so original intent is intent on repealing well-established laws of physics. good luck to him.
So I post evidence and papers supporting my position, you post nothing but personal attacks and false accusations and I'm the one using "Jewish debating tactics"? You'll have to explain that one.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Do you realize that you just summed up "Why Chemtrails? For Dummies" I love it when the truth comes together...
so co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases. you have successfully repealed a hundred years of physics. congratulations.
You have been asked several times and by several people to explain these laws you keep talking about. You have yet to do so.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
sorry amigo
you have successfully repealed a hundred years of physics. congratulations. You have successfully proven you have no idea what you are talking about.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
you have successfully repealed a hundred years of physics. congratulations. No, just twenty five years of twaddle.
it seems to me you'd have more pride than to confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics.
groundresonance is absolutely correct in not just his rebuttal but his gracious character demanding that YOU produce proof. It is your thread, farmfriend.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I know you're just goofing on everyone here with this crap, but now it is starting to make my stomach turn. Knock it off dammit!
See how sweet you are? I do love your sarcasm.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
"First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. "If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. "Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. "But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. "Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. "I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying."
I'm out of here. The kids are out of ammunition and at this point just prolonging the agony by "Logic Chopping".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Who's changing the subject here??
sound familiar?
And how does any of that apply to me?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I tried to get out, but they pulled me right back in.
Yes, facts taken from Dr. Engelbeen's site discussing Mona Loa CO2 measurements. I also posted his facts on the amount of natural CO2 emissions. And your point? Do you have issues with the measurements taken at the Mona Loa station?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
DangnabIt! Your comment reminds me of JimRob; that was ten years ago.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
So I post evidence and papers supporting my position, you post nothing but personal attacks and false accusations and I'm the one using "Jewish debating tactics"? You'll have to explain that one. That's part of his/her schtick and why she/he/it was banned last time. A dishonest debater who will pose questions, discard the answers, and then endlessly spin around the "Fruit Loop" merrily chopping logic all the while. Infantile.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
you said the same thing (The amount of CO2 emitted by humans nowadays is about 7 GtC/yr (CO2 counted as carbon). The increase in the atmosphere is about 4 GtC/yr.) on 2009-10-11 19:17:45 ET. which leads me to believe you repeat the same misleading statements over and over again despite the fact that you've been shot down. which unfortunately fits hitler's description of jewish debate tactics.
I know - it is a natural reaction to refute the personal attacks, aspersions, and dishonest illogic.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Scoot. And next time, bring some REAL facts other than glaciers are growing.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
No I quoted Dr. Engelbeen both times. There is a difference.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
It ain't about nothin'. These guys have been firing blanks all night. You've done a splendid job. (That goes for farmfriend too.) I'd do a victory roll if I was you and hit the hay. I know I'm down for the count.
Roger. Headed for the barn. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you, and I'm about out of here as well.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
the only real thing to remember is that israelis, israeli americans and their oil company allies have the most motive to deny global warming, because global warming and sea level rise are the long-term reasons the 9/11 operation had to be implemented. israel must secure high ground before its american protector runs out of gas. simple.
Thank you flickervertigo.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
you're entirely welcome.
Your thread and you lost the battle which is usual.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
How do you get that?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Or were you being sarcastic again?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Just reminiscing.
How is that, exactly?
And their report was fat free, information free, cholesterol free, etc., etc. Only problem was the huge amount of bs disinformation.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Why not tell the Pope not to conduct a mass or a bear not to defecate in the forest? Or a hungry man not to eat a steak? "Being an ass" is not, or at least doesn't seem to be, a part-time deal with buck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. ------->I never once said that there was no investigation.<---------- I did say that there was no proof that he received that stimulus grant. The title to the article was not proven within said article. It is not my "opinion" that there was no proof given for him receiving this kind of grant. It is a fact. Did it happen? Who knows. I would not be surprised if it did. But at best this is sloppy journalism. You don't write a catchy title to gain attention and then ignore the charges in the body of the article. Alex Jones pulls that crap. Is he as corrupt as we seem to think? I would not die of shock if I learned that he is. But again, contrary to the article and its title, there is no proof presented that he got that grant. Is the university investigating this grant, or just looking into his BS "science"? Perhaps the answer is in another article. But I don't know that a university would investigate a grant, since it's not their money he used. They might not even care, I don't know. You seem to think that I have an agenda here. There is no agenda. I don't know how I can make it more clear than I already have, to the point that I am repeating myself.
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It reminds me of Churchills comment on fanaticism: "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject." ~ Winston Churchill Good one. I think we can call them Al's Adherents™ since they seem to be disciples of Gore and their religion is Glowbull Warming.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm breathless with anticipation. Yeah, the suspense is killing us all I'm sure. If he ever tells you would you tell me? I have him on bozo so I don't see his blatherin' and yammerin' but I know he must really have something special with all that trillion tons stuff.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Oh no, s/he knows a lot of stuff. Unfortunately much of what s/he knows isn't true.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. sorry amigo No problem.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL good one. Loved that movie.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Not to take a side or anything . . . 500 papers supporting skepticism re AGW/Climate Change http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html Open Letter to Secretary-General of United Nations http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/print.php?news.123 etc. Just trying to help out a bit.
So did I. I would love to turn that V guy loose in D.C. with all the explosives he wanted.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Actually you did in an area totally unrelated. I have the distinct privilege of being able to talk to many of the people on that list. I noticed the area of expertise of one of the gentleman I talk to all the time. I didn't know he was a marine biologist specializing in reefs.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
ClimateGate's Michael Mann Received Stimulus Funds, Media Mum
#2. To: PSUSA, farmfriend (#1)
#3. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent, farmfriend, all (#2)
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online.wsj.com/article/SB...04575005412584751830.html
#4. To: PSUSA, Jethro Tull (#1)
#5. To: Original_Intent (#2)
#6. To: All (#5)
I protest nothing but the lack of proof presented
#7. To: Jethro Tull, PSUSA (#6)
I suppose nobody should jump to conclusions on any of these articles posted including the police brutality matters that come to us without a full and complete investigation, or testimony from the police officer.
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
I suppose nobody should jump to conclusions on any of these articles posted including the police brutality matters that come to us without a full and complete investigation, or testimony from the police officer.
#9. To: Original_Intent (#7)
#10. To: farmfriend (#4)
The article was written by Noel Sheppard who is above reproach in my book.
#11. To: farmfriend (#4)
NewsBusted: The Sheppard File, Global Warming Division NewsBusters' Noel Sheppard posts claims attacking global warming that hide the agendas of those critics and ignore the full story.
#12. To: PSUSA (#5)
Methinks thou doth protest too much and in the wrong way for your protest to be credible.
#13. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#11)
#14. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#13)
#15. To: Original_Intent (#13)
Is Professor Michael Mann of Penn State under investigation for forging evidence? Yes or No?
Lord Acton
#16. To: Original_Intent (#12)
If you really wanted to know and not just find a point upon which to cavil you would research it.
#17. To: Original_Intent (#13)
Your posting of it is nothing more than a Red Herring.
Global Warming Update: 'Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age'">
January 11, 2009 - 11:57 ET
#18. To: buckeroo (#14)
Sheppard is nothing more than an anti-Gore fanatic.
Lord Acton
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
And there is something wrong with being "anti-Gore"?
#20. To: PSUSA (#8)
WHen pigs commit these crimes, they are arrested and charged with them
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
Having been the subject of newspaper articles where bums lied and I was under orders not to say a word, I'm here to tell you many initial reports are inaccurate and incomplete. And believe me an arrest isn't an indicator of guilt.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
Climate Scam
#23. To: PSUSA (#21)
If I was on a jury and articles like that were presented as evidence, I'd vote to acquit.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
claimed he was being "set up."
#25. To: buckeroo (#19)
At least Gore pushed an important issue confronting ALL of us. Now, I don't agree with Gore on many attributes; but we can't dismiss the nexus or the focus of attention.
Lord Acton
#26. To: buckeroo (#22)
The whole fucking world is melting
Lord Acton
#27. To: James Deffenbach (#26)
#28. To: randge, pickleroo (#27)
Lord Acton
#29. To: James Deffenbach (#28)
#30. To: randge (#29)
Lord Acton
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#25)
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Al Gore pushed that bs "global warming" hoax to line his own pockets
#32. To: PSUSA, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, Cud Chewing Warmists, buckeroo, all (#16)
www.collegian.psu.edu/ archive/ 2009/ 11/ 30/ psu_investigates_climategate.aspx - Highlight - 1 more top result from this site
http://www.usnews.com/ blogs/ paper-trail/ 2009/ 11/ 30/ penn-state-will-investigate-climategate.html - Highlight
http://www.onwardstate.com/tag/michael-mann/?mo=1&yr=2010 - Highlight - 2 more top results from this site
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400760/posts - Highlight - 2 more top results from this site
www.met.psu.edu/people/mem45 - Highlight
http://www.examiner.com/ x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner~y2009m11d29-Michael-Mann-first-of-cli mate-change-scientists-to-be-investigated - Highlight
http://www.examiner.com/ x-11224-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~y2009m11d30-Climategate-Penn-State -Professor-Mann-under-investigation - Highlight
http://www.sustainabletucson.org/ 2009/ 02/ 18/ wider-study-shows-spike-in-warming-last-decade-hottest-in-1300-years/ - Highlight
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2008/09/ - Highlight
http://www.dailycaller.com/ 2010/ 01/ 12/ climategate-professor-michael-mann-protected-to-maximum-extent-by-pen n-state-policy/ - Highlight
Adding to the search term "federal grant" yields (Professor Michael Mann Penn state investigation federal grant):
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
#34. To: James Deffenbach, buggeroo, buckeroo, farmfriend, randge, Jethro Tull, PSUSA, all (#26)
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
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#36. To: groundresonance (#33)
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
#39. To: groundresonance (#37)
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
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#41. To: groundresonance (#33)
would you like to speculate about the logical consequences of putting an extra trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in the last 150 years?
#42. To: Original_Intent (#41)
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#43. To: groundresonance (#40)
there's not a man in the world that would be capable of such a thing, is there?
#44. To: buckeroo (#43)
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#45. To: groundresonance (#44)
#46. To: groundresonance (#42)
in other words, you refuse to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere.
#47. To: Original_Intent (#46)
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#48. To: Original_Intent (#46)
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#49. To: Original_Intent (#46)
It is A FACT that 90% of the world's glaciers are growing.
#50. To: Original_Intent (#46)
It is A FACT that since 1999 the overall global temperature has been downtrending.
#51. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#50)
Read this: IPCC report as you have an opportunity, of course.
#52. To: buckeroo, pickleroo (#50)
Read this: IPCC report
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#53. To: farmfriend (#51)
#54. To: farmfriend (#51)
(Edited)
Politics masquerading as science.
#55. To: buckeroo (#53)
Why not read it?
#56. To: groundresonance (#54)
want to hazard a guess
#57. To: buckeroo (#53)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#58. To: farmfriend (#55)
#59. To: Rotara, buckeroo (#52)
#60. To: farmfriend (#56)
#61. To: buckeroo (#58)
Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?
#62. To: farmfriend (#59)
#63. To: farmfriend (#59)
The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic.
#64. To: farmfriend, buckleroo, pickleroo, patriot scammer, everyone say goodbye because he went round the bend and ain't coming home (#59)
The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic. Its sole purpose was to lay out a strategy for dealing with it. It was never intended to be a scientific investigation of the validity of AGW.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#65. To: farmfriend (#61)
#66. To: groundresonance, Buckeroo (#47)
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you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike.
From the above link on Guilt by Association: logic demands that you answer the question: what happens if we put another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere?
#67. To: groundresonance (#65)
are you, too, impervious to logic?
#68. To: Rotara (#64)
#69. To: buckleroo, pickleroo, pobrecito, shill, deep cover shills should take notes (#58)
Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#70. To: groundresonance, farmfriend (#54)
Politics masquerading as science.
#71. To: Original_Intent (#66)
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how much faith do you have in a reality that's created by people who think they are so powerful they're able to create their own reality?
#72. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#47)
you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike.
#73. To: Original_Intent (#66)
I would continue but do not wish to entertain your false argument or attempted "gotcha" any further.
#74. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#71)
what if their reality is an attempt to diguise their motive to drag america into wars?
#75. To: All (#71)
#76. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#73)
Your post suggests BLAH, BLAH and more BLAH as you hide from the truth. Is government going to save your tired and stinky ass? No, it is not. But look at yourself hiding ... you think that because of John Birch, you have discovered the truth.
#77. To: Original_Intent, groundresonance (#70)
Again you tout a conclusion based upon a MODEL which was controlled and operated by proven liars.
#78. To: farmfriend (#74)
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#79. To: farmfriend (#76)
#80. To: groundresonance (#71)
how much faith do you have in a reality that's created by people who think they are so powerful they're able to create their own reality?
#81. To: Original_Intent (#80)
#82. To: farmfriend, groundedresonance (#77)
(Edited)
Again you tout a conclusion based upon a MODEL which was controlled and operated by proven liars.
#83. To: groundresonance, BOZO (#81)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#84. To: groundresonance (#78)
what if people have figured out how you operate, have figured out your motives, have seen how well you've wormed yourselves into government and media?
#85. To: groundresonance (#81)
#86. To: Original_Intent (#82)
We know from ACTUAL data and readings that the Polar Ice Caps are growing, as are most of the worlds major glaciers.
#87. To: Original_Intent (#85)
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I don't do Psych games...
#88. To: buckeroo (#86)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#89. To: Original_Intent (#85)
#90. To: groundresonance (#87)
#91. To: Original_Intent (#46)
It is A FACT that 90% of the world's glaciers are growing. There is data which supports that.
Lord Acton
#92. To: groundresonance (#87)
you dont do psych games, and neither do you answer legitimate questions, such as: what are the logical consequences of depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
#93. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#87)
you dont do psych games, and neither do you answer legitimate questions, such as: what are the logical consequences of depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
#94. To: Original_Intent (#92)
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Charming the old repeat an irrelevant question over and over acting as though it proves something ploy.
#95. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#94)
likewise, we can rest assured that you have repealed the laws of phyisics.
#96. To: James Deffenbach (#91)
It was the "glowbull warming" that caused all that extra ice. >(;^{]
"A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject." ~ Winston Churchill
#97. To: farmfriend (#93)
Back to CO2, FYI, the Earth is at historic lows for CO2 content despite the recent rise
#98. To: Original_Intent (#96)
#99. To: Original_Intent (#96)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#100. To: Original_Intent (#96)
#101. To: groundresonance (#98)
#102. To: groundresonance (#94)
Charming the old repeat an irrelevant question over and over acting as though it proves something ploy.
"Noise means nothing. Often a hen who has merely laid an egg cackles as if she had laid an asteroid." ~ Mark Twain
#103. To: groundresonance (#98)
nevermind. it wont matter when jesus comes back.
#104. To: buckeroo (#97)
An awesome knee-slapper. Are you a regular subscriber of NEWSMAX.com?
#105. To: Rotara (#99)
Is Global Warming a Religion?
#106. To: Original_Intent (#102)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#107. To: randge (#101)
I'm breathless with anticipation.
#108. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#104)
An awesome knee-slapper. Are you a regular subscriber of NEWSMAX.com?
smart ass.
#109. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent, randge, rotara, buckeroo (#98)
original intent apparently is unwilling to follow the logic: if co2 is a greenhouse gas, and we've put a trillion extra tons of the stuff into the atmosphere...
guest article by John O’Sullivan In a recently revised and re-published paper, Dr Gerlich debunks AGW and shows that the IPCC “consensus” atmospheric physics model tying CO2 to global warming is not only unverifiable, but actually violates basic laws of physics, i.e. the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics. The latest version of this momentous scientific paper appears in the March 2009 edition of the International Journal of Modern Physics.
#110. To: groundresonance (#107)
#111. To: buckeroo (#103)
What makes you think Jesus is going to save us?
#112. To: Original_Intent (#105)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#113. To: Original_Intent (#105)
Of course that is Robert Heinlein's definition:
#114. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#108)
It should be
smart ass.
#115. To: farmfriend (#109)
and then you go and run over them AGAIN !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#116. To: Rotara (#106)
It's kind of fun running over the Cap'N'Trade Globalist Shills®, then backing up over them again. Then just drive off...figuratively speaking, of course.
#117. To: groundresonance (#111)
jesus loves me, the bible tells me so.
#118. To: groundresonance, randge (#107)
we'll probably get another 100 ppm of co2 concentration,
#119. To: Rotara (#115)
and then you go and run over them AGAIN !
#120. To: All (#111)
#121. To: Rotara (#112)
i wonder how many of these world kommie clowns put their 'money where their pie hole is' and bought heavily into the world kommie, global governance, subsidized Green Scam...i thought about a guy, maybe pickle boy, who mentioned buying a LOT of 'green stuff' type investments knowing the scam was Rockefeller sanctioned.
#122. To: randge, groundresonance (#110)
Please lay out the physics and cut the corn.
#123. To: groundresonance (#120)
the main problem being: none of these people are willing to challenge the physics (warming properties) of the co2 and methane molecules.
#124. To: groundresonance (#111)
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we'll probably get another 100 ppm of co2 concentration
#125. To: Original_Intent (#116)
True, but I fear it is not good for their "mental health" (whatever that vague and undefined term means).
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#126. To: farmfriend (#122)
I did but what are the odds I'll get an answer?
#127. To: randge, groundresonance (#124)
Now we get "probably" 100 ppm. This why you get no credence here.
#128. To: Original_Intent (#121)
At this point investments in Glowbull Warming related scams are on the edge of Cheech and Chong territory - up in smoke.
#129. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent, ALL (#119)
You notice he/she/it hasn't answered my science once!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#130. To: farmfriend (#119)
and then you go and run over them AGAIN !
#131. To: groundresonance (#126)
are co2 and methane warming gases?
#132. To: randge (#124)
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You demand that a poster here answer your query, one that demands a rigorously well grounded reply. Anyone who has mastered forensics knows that the questioner in a debate should damn well know the answer to a question placed to his opponent before he asks it.
#133. To: Original_Intent (#121)
At this point investments in Glowbull Warming related scams are on the edge of Cheech and Chong territory - up in smoke.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#134. To: farmfriend, christine, groundresonance (#123)
the main problem being: none of these people are willing to challenge the physics (warming properties) of the co2 and methane molecules.
#135. To: Original_Intent (#134)
our "buddy"
#136. To: Original_Intent (#134)
It took me a while before I recognized the posting style but our "buddy" groundresonance is a retread bannee.
#137. To: Rotara (#133)
#138. To: groundresonance (#135)
which doesnt explain, at all, why you are unable to refute my posts.
#139. To: Original_Intent, TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
LOL !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#140. To: groundresonance (#132)
The amount of CO2 emitted by humans nowadays is about 7 GtC/yr (CO2 counted as carbon). The increase in the atmosphere is about 4 GtC/yr.
#141. To: Original_Intent (#138)
#142. To: Original_Intent (#138)
One does not refute smoke. One turns on the fan
#143. To: groundresonance (#132)
since the hydrocarbon age began, the co2 ppm has increased from 280 ppm to 380 ppm.
#144. To: farmfriend (#140)
The amount of CO2 emitted by humans nowadays is about 7 GtC/yr
#145. To: groundresonance (#144)
why are you demonstrating debate tactics that hitler ascribed to jews?
#146. To: farmfriend (#143)
#147. To: groundresonance (#146)
farmfriend seems determined to prove hitler was right about jews.
#148. To: farmfriend (#145)
...refute the science.
#149. To: farmfriend (#147)
Do you think I'm a Jew? LOL Now that is funny.
#150. To: groundresonance (#141)
the fact remains: co2 and methane are greenhouse gases, and we're putting about 30 billion tons per year of those gases into the atmosphere.
#151. To: groundresonance (#141)
(Edited)
the fact remains: co2 and methane are greenhouse gases
#152. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#141)
you can repeal the laws of physics, or you can confess to being an idiot.
#153. To: Original_Intent (#150)
(Edited)
#154. To: groundresonance (#149)
well, i dont think hitler said that jewish debate tactics were confined to jews, alone.
#155. To: randge, farmfriend, wudidiz, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, christine, JethroTull, phantom patriot, ALL (#151)
Hasn't the "greenhouse effect" kind of gone the way of the phlogiston theory since up-to-date satellite measurements of irradiance from the upper atmosphere have vacated the levels of heat trapped which is predicted by that effect?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#156. To: farmfriend (#152)
#157. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#153)
so original intent is intent on repealing well-established laws of physics.
#158. To: JamesDeffenbach (#155)
forgot to ping you to 155
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#159. To: groundresonance (#156)
so co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases.
#160. To: groundresonance (#156)
so co2 and methane are not greenhouse gases.
#161. To: farmfriend (#159)
#162. To: farmfriend, groundresonance (#157)
#163. To: buckeroo (#19)
You betcha sweet booties there is. At least Gore pushed an important issue confronting ALL of us.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#164. To: buckeroo (#162)
groundresonance is absolutely correct in not just his rebuttal but his gracious character demanding that YOU produce proof. It is your thread, farmfriend.
#165. To: farmfriend (#159)
"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic.
MeinKampf, Adolf Hitler on debating his Jewish opponents
#166. To: farmfriend (#147)
#167. To: groundresonance (#165)
#168. To: farmfriend (#164)
The amount of CO2 emitted by humans nowadays is about 7 GtC/yr (CO2 counted as carbon). The increase in the atmosphere is about 4 GtC/yr.
#169. To: groundresonance (#165)
#170. To: Original_Intent (#166)
#171. To: groundresonance (#168)
sound familiar?
#172. To: Critter (#163)
Knock it off dammit!
#173. To: farmfriend, groundedresonance, christine (#154)
well, i dont think hitler said that jewish debate tactics were confined to jews, alone.
#174. To: farmfriend (#169)
(Edited)
And how does any of that apply to me?
#175. To: randge (#170)
I tried to get out, but they pulled me right back in.
#176. To: Original_Intent (#166)
I'm out of here.
#177. To: groundresonance (#174)
you said the same thing
#178. To: Original_Intent (#175)
#179. To: randge (#178)
#180. To: randge, Original_Intent (#178)
(That goes for farmfriend too.)
#181. To: All (#174)
(Edited)
#182. To: groundresonance (#181)
#183. To: farmfriend (#182)
#184. To: farmfriend (#180)
I'm about out of here as well.
#185. To: buckeroo (#184)
Your thread and you lost the battle which is usual.
#186. To: buckeroo (#184)
#187. To: buckeroo (#172)
Your comment reminds me of JimRob;
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#188. To: groundresonance (#149)
since israelis and israeli americans have such a big motive to deny global warming,
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#189. To: Rotara (#52)
The IPCC is another in a long list of 100% absolutely discredited global anti-American organizations, but then you had to have known this.
Lord Acton
#190. To: farmfriend, pickleroo (#76)
Don't be an ass Buck.
Lord Acton
#191. To: Original_Intent (#32)
The kind of science he does is routinely funded by grants and if it concerned me greatly I could probably chase down other references. It is you who are challenging the article and in effect denying the information presented. Of course that you have no validation for that it is of even lesser weight than that of the article since it is a transparent artifice to cast doubt upon the information by stating your OPINION.
#192. To: Original_Intent (#96)
The problem the warmists have now is that bereft of facts and data that support their preconceptions they are left playing games, obfuscation, name calling, and avoidance.
Lord Acton
#193. To: randge (#101)
You're holding out on us, and I want to know just exactly what will happen if we put a trillion extra tons of the stuff into the atmosphere within the time period you refer to.
Lord Acton
#194. To: randge (#124)
I sincerely suspect that you don't know a damned thing.
Lord Acton
#195. To: farmfriend (#143)
(Edited)
Do you have something against the V?
Lord Acton
#196. To: Rotara (#158)
forgot to ping you to 155
Lord Acton
#197. To: James Deffenbach (#195)
#198. To: farmfriend (#0)
#199. To: farmfriend (#197)
LOL good one. Loved that movie.
Lord Acton
#200. To: PeteCat, christine (#198)
Just trying to help out a bit.
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