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Title: ClimateGate's Michael Mann Received Stimulus Funds, Media Mum
Source: News Busters
URL Source: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s ... -funds-media-mum#ixzz0ceNXQk9e
Published: Jan 16, 2010
Author: Noel Sheppard
Post Date: 2010-01-16 13:18:50 by farmfriend
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ClimateGate's Michael Mann Received Stimulus Funds, Media Mum

By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
January 14, 2010 - 09:44 ET

A scientist in the middle of the ClimateGate scandal received economic stimulus funds last June.

As NewsBusters reported on November 28, Penn State University is investigating Professor Michael Mann, the creator of the discredited "Hockey Stick Graph," for his involvement in an international attempt to exaggerate and manipulate climate data in order to advance the myth of manmade global warming.

According to the conservative think tank the National Center for Public Policy Research, Mann received $541,184 in economic stimulus funds last June to conduct climate change research.

With this in mind, NCPPR issued a press release Thursday asking for these funds to be returned:

In the face of rising unemployment and record-breaking deficits, policy experts at the National Center for Public Policy Research are criticizing the Obama Administration for awarding a half million dollar grant from the economic stimulus package to Penn State Professor Michael Mann, a key figure in the Climategate controversy.

"It's outrageous that economic stimulus money is being used to support research conducted by Michael Mann at the very time he’s under investigation by Penn State and is one of the key figures in the international Climategate scandal. Penn State should immediately return these funds to the U.S. Treasury," said Tom Borelli, Ph.D., director of the National Center's Free Enterprise Project.

Professor Mann is currently under investigation by Penn State University because of activities related to a closed circle of climate scientists who appear to have been engaged in agenda-driven science. Emails and documents mysteriously released from the previously-prestigious Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom revealed discussions of manipulation and destruction of research data, as well as efforts to interfere with the peer review process to stifle opposing views. The motivation underlying these efforts appears to be a coordinated strategy to support the belief that mankind's activities are causing global warming. [...] The $541,184 grant is for three years and was initiated in June 2009.

Potentially adding insult to injury, Penn State received additional stimulus funds to investigate the impact of climate change last week:

A nearly $1.9 million grant from the National Science Foundation is enabling a Penn State-led group of researchers to continue studies on the potential effects of climate change on the spread of infectious diseases, such as malaria and dengue. The grant is part of federal stimulus funding authorized under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

This grant appears to have nothing to do with Mann's department. However, given the high-profile the university is currently under as a result of his involvement in ClimateGate, it seems absurd that any federal funds involving climate change would be going to this school while it is investigating its chief proponent of this myth.

Maybe more importantly, why are economic stimulus funds being given to a university for scientific research in the first place, especially one with such political overtones?

As NCPPR noted in its release:

"It's no wonder that Obama's stimulus plan is failing to produce jobs. Taxpayer dollars aren't being used in the ways most likely to spur job creation. The stimulus was not sold to the public as a way to reward a loyalist in the climate change debate. Nor was the stimulus sold as a way to promote the Obama Administration's position on the global warming theory...As is often the case, political considerations corrupt the distribution of government funds," said Deneen Borelli, a fellow with the National Center's Project 21 black leadership network.

Despite the obviously controversial nature of this funding and its recipient, I can identify absolutely no media coverage concerning the matter.

I'm sure now that NCPPR has exposed this hypocrisy, press outlets across the fruited plain will be aggressively investigating economic stimulus grants to Mann and others involved in the ClimateGate scandal in order to inform the public about how their tax dollars are being spent.

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#36. To: groundresonance (#33)

How about saying that over the last 150 years the population of mankind has increased from about 500,000,000 to over 6,500,000,000,000.

And these lazy people on this web site don't realize that this HUGE change has set forward their own demise.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   21:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#36)

well, i guess, then, the solution is to kill a few billion poeple.

no problem.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#36)

the only problem seems to be: is there any way we can blame god for all those billions of deaths?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: groundresonance (#37)

It will come to that. War about resources has corrected mankind's population from the beginning.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   21:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo (#39) (Edited)

well. wars that kill billions will have to be blamed on god.

there's not a man in the world that would be capable of such a thing, is there?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: groundresonance (#33)

would you like to speculate about the logical consequences of putting an extra trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in the last 150 years?

No. However, I would comment that while that sounds like a big number you are talking about an entire planetary atmospheric system so I would ask - from what sources, what means, and to what effect? As well would be comparative studies which:

A. Validate those gases i.e, "what gases? Then demonstrate with good science (meaning mathematics and actual data - not fudged data invented at the CRU to falsely tilt the image)that the volume increase is significant in relation to the planetary atmospheric system and attributable to human action - beyond just living? (Of note here is the work of Prof. James E. Lovelock, Atmospheric Chemist, and his "Gaia Hypothesis" which asserts, using actual sciece, that the system is a self correcting one which when taken out of equilibrium will adjust over time back to equilibrium.)

B. Demonstrate via actual data the effects of those hypothesised extra gases.

We do know, from actual science not Glowbull Wahlarmingism, that based on the analysis of the ice cores analyzed by Paleoclimatologists that CO2 is a lagging indicator of a warming climate. The average, from memory, is about 60 years after the fact of warming.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   21:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#41) (Edited)

in other words, you refuse to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere.

good enough.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: groundresonance (#40)

there's not a man in the world that would be capable of such a thing, is there?

Of course the world has produced millions of malevolent beasts. Our history is salt&peppered with the bastards.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   21:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43) (Edited)

well, it would be a good thing to blame god, dont you think?

i mean, if you wanted to escape the pitchforks... assuming there are americans left that know how to use one.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: groundresonance (#44)

Why would I blame a comic book figure from yester-year for our own contemporary problems? It is not logical.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   21:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: groundresonance (#42)

in other words, you refuse to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouses gases in the atmosphere.

good enough.

Speculation is NOT science. It is the beginning of science but is NOT science.

You are attempting to play "gotcha" by leading me into speculation upon a topic which is opinion only.

In matters of science I prefer facts, and observations, not speculations.

It is A FACT that 90% of the world's glaciers are growing. There is data which supports that.

It is A FACT that since 1999 the overall global temperature has been downtrending.

It is A FACT that the Antarctic Ice Cap has grown thicker.

Given that the Glowbull Wahlarmists already have the territory of speculation and jiggered models nailed down I would not want to infringe upon their territory.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   21:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent (#46) (Edited)

you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike.

logic demands that you answer the question: what happens if we put another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#46) (Edited)

...and it's way too bad that global warming and sea level rise accounts for israel's surrendering the low ground in gaza while it continues its ethnic cleansing of the palestinian high ground in the west bank, isnt it?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   21:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#46)

It is A FACT that 90% of the world's glaciers are growing.

ROTFL.

You really believe your own Ouija keyboard, do ya?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   21:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#46)

It is A FACT that since 1999 the overall global temperature has been downtrending.

You often seem educated although I think you are a bit hysteric from time to time. Read this: IPCC report as you have an opportunity, of course.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   22:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#50)

Read this: IPCC report as you have an opportunity, of course.

Politics masquerading as science.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo, pickleroo (#50)

Read this: IPCC report

LOL ! You're such a stinky turd. The IPCC is another in a long list of 100% absolutely discredited global anti-American organizations, but then you had to have known this.

"The East Anglia CRU charlatans have been exposed. Most certainly, the United Nations IPCC should be disbanded in disgrace. It belongs in a museum of hoaxes right beside the Piltdown Man and the Loch Ness Monster."

You invested your last few pesos into this Scam, didn't you stinky...shall I continue to put up more flattery for you and your merry band of hoaxster shills ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-16   22:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: farmfriend (#51)

You kindly paid for the report because of your generous tax dollars. Why not read it?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   22:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: farmfriend (#51) (Edited)

Politics masquerading as science.

want to hazard a guess as to why israel turned lowland gaza back to the palestinians while it continues grabbing palestinians' high ground in the west bank?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#53)

Why not read it?

Not that into global political propaganda.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: groundresonance (#54)

want to hazard a guess

Nope.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeroo (#53)

Al Gore-linked Goddard Institute claimed “hottest October on record” after using temperature figures from September

Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Monday, November 17, 2008

Climate scientists allied with the IPCC have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, a shocking example of mass public deception that could spell the beginning of the end for the acceptance of man-made climate change theories.

On Monday, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

“This was startling,” reports the London Telegraph. “Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China’s official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its “worst snowstorm ever”. In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.”

It soon came to light that the data produced by NASA to make the claim, and in particular temperature records covering large areas of Russia, was merely carried over from the previous month. NASA had used temperature records from the naturally hotter month of September and claimed they represented temperature figures in October.

When NASA was confronted with this glaring error, they then attempted to compensate for the lower temperatures in Russia by claiming they had discovered a new “hotspot” in the Arctic, despite satellite imagery clearly showing that Arctic sea ice had massively expanded its coverage by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany, since summer 2007.

The figures published by Dr Hansen’s institute are one of the primary sets of data used by the IPCC to promote its case for man-made global warming and they are widely quoted because they consistently show higher temperatures than other figures.

“Yet last week’s latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen’s methodology has been called in question,” reports the Telegraph. “In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.”

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC and a close ally of Hansen, also raised eyebrows recently during a presentation in Australia, during which he claimed that global temperatures have recently been rising “very much faster” than ever as he cited a graph showing purported temperature increases over the last decade. In fact, as even the vast majority of man-made global warming advocates will concede, temperatures since 1998 have moved sideways and over the last 18 months they have clearly begun a downward trend.

Whether such “mistakes” are made in genuine error or are part of a politicized push for man-made global warming to be universally accepted, and the evidence clearly suggests that latter is the case, the fact is that we can no longer tolerate the cry that “the debate is over” on man-made global warming in light of such gargantuan falsehoods.

Likewise, the push for carbon emissions to be reduced by 80 per cent or more, a figure that would completely cripple western economies and lower living standards to a near third world level, can no longer be accepted as a reasonable course of action now that the primary authority on man-made global warming, the UN IPCC, has been proven to be using fraudulent data to make its case.

Foisted upon the public by means of giant multi-million dollar PR campaigns and brainwashing mandates that have worked themselves into every sector of society, including education, movies, television the arts and culture, all the attention and funding is being lavished upon a manufactured hoax, peddled with the aid of phony data, as governments prepare to suck what’s left out of the middle class and poor with carbon taxes that do nothing to help the environment, while all the real environmental problems are left in the shadows.

IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-16   22:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: farmfriend (#55)

Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   22:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Rotara, buckeroo (#52)

The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic. Its sole purpose was to lay out a strategy for dealing with it. It was never intended to be a scientific investigation of the validity of AGW.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: farmfriend (#56)

you dont want to speculate on why israel is turning lowlands in gaza back to palestinians while continuing its ethnic cleansing of the high ground in the west bank.

i dont blame you.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeroo (#58)

Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?

LOL, no just that it would be a waste of time better spent else where.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: farmfriend (#59)

one of the resident knuckledraggers was unwilling to speculate on the logical consequences of our depositing another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into that atmosphere.

what about you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: farmfriend (#59)

The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic.

What happens when the world population climbs dramatically without assessment?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   22:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: farmfriend, buckleroo, pickleroo, patriot scammer, everyone say goodbye because he went round the bend and ain't coming home (#59)

The IPCC is doing exactly what it was created to do. Its charter plainly states that global warming is anthropogenic. Its sole purpose was to lay out a strategy for dealing with it. It was never intended to be a scientific investigation of the validity of AGW.

Climategate emails force Al Gore to cancel talk at Copenhagen

Al Gore's scheduled December 16th speech with the auspicious title "Climate Conclusion" has been canceled amid the scandal of Climategate. About 3,000 Danes had tickets for the Berlinske Media event that was announced in August. Al Gore has been the poster child for Global Warming, but has been under scrutiny from scientists who argue against the findings of humans' involvement in our climate. This was highlighted in the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. A British court had ruled that there were 9 factual errors [LOL !] in An Inconvenient Truth, yet it still won an Academy Award in 2007, along with the Nobel Prize shared with the IPCC. Again in November, mistakes were found in Al Gore's new book begin with the cover. While some are trying to explain away the cancellation, it seems pretty obvious that there is too much skepticism to show up in a large public forum like this. Mr. Gore had to deal with some hard questions at a book signing this past week, and had the readers escorted away rather than discuss Climategate. See that video at the bottom of this post. Unfortunately this apears like a direct attack, but this is all about getting the truth out.

The conference on Global Climate is still scheduled to include 100 world leaders, but has come under attack for fraud and deceit. On Tuesday, Australia's Senate voted against their Carbon Trading bill, a measure that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd

Last week, Penn State's Michael Mann was placed under investigation after being implicated for his 'trick' in changing old data to make current temperatures look warmer. Unfortunately the old original data was erased, a serious blow to the scientific process. CEI intends to sue NASA Goddard for Climate Change fraud based on 'Freedom of Information'. On Tuesday, The University of East Anglia's Phil Jones was forced to step down as director of the world renown Climate Research Unit due to an investigation of his involvement in the fraud.

Rasumssen Reports released today from ClimateDepot.com shows the distrust more Americans have on this issue:

"Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s Very Likely. Just 26% say it’s not very or not at all likely that some scientists falsified data. This skepticism does not appear to be the result of the recent disclosure of e-mails confirming such data falsification as part of the so- called “Climategate” scandal. Just 20% of Americans say they’ve followed news reports about those e-mails Very Closely, while another 29% have followed them Somewhat Closely."

This past year, The Skeptics Handbook was released by Australia's own Joanne Nova as a way to simplify the debate with four main points.

1. The Greenhouse signature is missing. 2. The strongest evidence was the ice cores, but newer, more detailed data turned the theory inside out. 3. Temperature is not rising. 4. Carbon Dioxide is already doing almost all of the warming it can do.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-16   22:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: farmfriend (#61)

are you, too, impervious to logic?

or have you repealed the laws of physics?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: groundresonance, Buckeroo (#47) (Edited)

you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike.

Delightful. You truly are addicted to logical fallacies and specious reasoning. Here we get a "twofer the price of one" i.e. Guilt by Association a well known relative of the Red Herring. As well it amounts to Argumentum Ad Hominem as the implied attack is against me personally and is not based upon any factual data. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From the above link on Guilt by Association:

"Exposition:

Guilt by Association is the attempt to discredit an idea based upon disfavored people or groups associated with it. This is the reverse of an Appeal to Misleading Authority, and might be justly called "Appeal to Anti-Authority". An argument to authority argues in favor of an idea based upon associating an authority figure with the idea, whereas Guilt by Association argues against an idea based upon associating it with disreputable people or groups.

Senator Joseph McCarthy Exposure:

McCarthyism was a specific version of Guilt by Association in which an individual, organization, or idea was associated in some way with communism. An association was made between the target of McCarthyism and communism by linking both through some shared idea. ..." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, you're in good company there with ol' "Tail Gunner" Joe McCarthy.

logic demands that you answer the question: what happens if we put another trillion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere?

That is a speculation - key word in your attempt to shore up a dying hypothesis "IF". "IF" is not science it is S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N. Try it on someone who hasn't studied logic, rhetoric, and the "Scientific Method" - you'll get a lot further. (Take Bucky for example.) A MODEL which is all that the Glowbull Warming Alarmists have is just that a MODEL - it is a mathematical computation based upon variables and parameters controlled by the person running the MODEL. A MODEL is not reality it is a simulacrum of reality NOT reality. Neither is it a crystal ball nor any of the other equally reliable means of forecasting the future such as studying chicken guts. You can take a Climate Model and show that the earth will turn into a ball of expanding fire last week depending upon how you jigger the variables and input data. A model is just that a model. Science contrariwise is observations, and mathematics. It is taking the observed data and fitting it into a coherent picture. In a coherent picture declining global average temperatures do not equal Glowbull Warming - no matter how long you hold your breath. The "CRU" data is false, and is shown to be false in the words and e-mails of the very people responsible for the L-I-E-S.

I would continue but do not wish to entertain your false argument or attempted "gotcha" any further.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   22:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: groundresonance (#65)

are you, too, impervious to logic?

or have you repealed the laws of physics?

Excuse me?


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Rotara (#64)

how much faith do you have in a reality that's created by people who think they are so powerful they're able to create their own reality?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckleroo, pickleroo, pobrecito, shill, deep cover shills should take notes (#58)

Are you saying, ignorance is bliss?

IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-16   22:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: groundresonance, farmfriend (#54)

Politics masquerading as science.

want to hazard a guess as to why israel turned lowland gaza back to the palestinians while it continues grabbing palestinians' high ground in the west bank?

Again you tout a conclusion based upon a MODEL which was controlled and operated by proven liars.

Please demonstrate that sea levels are rising in the real world - not in a controlled M-O-D-E-L.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-16   22:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent (#66) (Edited)

how much faith do you have in a reality that's created by people who think they are so powerful they're able to create their own reality?

what if their reality is fantasy?

what if their reality is an attempt to diguise their motive to drag america into wars?

what if control of the media, political system, foreign policy and government only goes so far...

what if the whole apparatus becomes a global laughingstock?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#47)

you guys buy every exxon/AEI-funded warming denial that comes down the pike.

No, actually I talk to climate scientists, physicist and PhD's of all types. You are welcome to read the late Timo Niroma's work if you wish.

One possible explanation for the cyclicity in the Sun.

Sunspots: The Gleissberg cycle.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#66)

I would continue but do not wish to entertain your false argument or attempted "gotcha" any further.

Your post suggests BLAH, BLAH and more BLAH as you hide from the truth. Is government going to save your tired and stinky ass? No, it is not. But look at yourself hiding ... you think that because of John Birch, you have discovered the truth.

ROTFL.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-16   22:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: groundresonance, Original_Intent (#71)

what if their reality is an attempt to diguise their motive to drag america into wars?

You do know that it is the same people who fund AGW that have dragged us into wars etc.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-16   22:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: All (#71)

what if your whole apparatus has already become a global laughingstock?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-16   22:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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