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Title: Tea Party Becomes the 'Vote Our Way or We Shoot You' Party
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URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/ ... r_way_or_we_shoot_you%27_party
Published: Jan 17, 2010
Author: posted by Devilstower , Daily Kos
Post Date: 2010-01-17 00:37:18 by Ferret Mike
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Views: 1111
Comments: 86
"We can go to the soap box, the ballot box, or we can go to the jury box. And hopefully we won't have to go to the bullet box." Hey, the Tea Party "movement" isn't about violence, or racism, or any of that stuff. It's about calling the health care bill Nazi-inspired and reminding people that Barack Obama is an Indonesian Muslim. Oh, and remember to vote our way or we shoot you. On-Point Host, Tom Ashbrook: Joining us from Royal Oak, Michigan, is Jeffrey McQueen, founder of USRevolution2.com, which has created a modified American flag to serve as a symbol for the Tea Party movement. He has been protesting government involvement in the auto industry at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit this week. ... Ashbrook: if the Tea Party works out for you, to your vision, what will we see in ten years? McQueen: Well I hope across America no politician will travel this country without seeing this flag so they're reminded of who they work for. Ashbrook: How about the American flag? That's not good enough? You know, the stars and stripes? McQueen: This flag has never been meant to replace the national flag. This flag has a specific purpose and it's time has come. To show the politicians and the media that we're ready for a second American revolution. And with that, you know, in America we have a choice of four boxes for political change. We can go to the soap box, the ballot box, or we can go to the jury box. And hopefully we won't have to go to the bullet box. Ashbrook: Bullet box? Are you talking about armed revolution? McQueen: Have you seen the ammunition sales the last twelve months? So remember, folks, health care for the poor? That's Nazi BS! True American heroes take up arms to overthrow democratic elections. Got it? And of course, this isn't the first time that conservatives have raised the idea of using the bullet box to undo the results of those pesky elections. So vote conservative and all is well. Screw it up at the ballot box, and that'll have to get rec-t-fied by my leetle friend here. Got it?
Catherine Crabill, a Republican nominee for Virginia House of Delegates: We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box. I am glad for all of us who enjoy the use of firearms for hunting, but make no mistake, that was not the intent of the Founding Fathers. Our second amendment right was to guard against tyranny.
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#29. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
McQueen: Have you seen the ammunition sales the last twelve months? I honestly don't know anyone who would vote for the Rs or 'conservatives' as currently assembled, and expect to change the current corruption that exists in Washington. I used the word corruption intentionally, because that is the problem with the National party. It's bought and paid for by special interests and these interests run counter to American values (read low taxes and personal freedom). That said, the point about the enormous amounts of gun and ammunition sales is key here. They haven't been bought only to surrender if Madame Pelosi deems them unlawful. Should that awful miscalculation ever come, many would refuse to surrender their weapons. Would you?
Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Go whine to somebody who gives a fig you sorry deconstructionist Traitor...y'all had every chance in the world and you chose the path you chose. So deal.
Years from now you'll understand that the Tea Parties are already controlled. This is just a charade. All this publicized bluster does is complete the process of encircling the "joiners" in a virtual detention camp of known enemies of American democracy. Listening carefully to Bob Basso's faux conservatism, and noting that Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter are tea partiers should be our first clues. Yes, these tea partiers will point guns at Americans who refuse to toe the line on the war. The Federal Reserve pays for their big weapons systems projects and funds America's 700 military bases around its global empire. These American imperialists will not give up the Fed, they will not give up the war, and they will not give up Israel. They won't even give up on putting illegals into the American military to fight our so-called enemies abroad. Any "change" that comes out of the Tea Parties will not change anything of substance. We may have new faces in D.C. but they'll still be members of AIPAC.
So, you don't like the original intent of the Second Amendment, Mike? If so, you and the rest of the Daily Kos nanny staters can opt out. Maybe, if you are lucky, you will find an armed American willing to defend the lot of you if necessary. This nation is long over due for a revolution. It's pathetic that people, such as the author of this article, continue to think that goobermint will fix anything. BTW, it's not about "conservatives" it's about what is left of our CONSTITUTION. Of course, Daily Kos neither understands nor cares about that document because they are all on board for a one world government that will save, care for and hold the hand of every person from cradle to grave--despite the fact that no smaller government has or ever will accomplish that feat. This article is useful as toilet paper--that's about it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I would never surrender my weapons, ammo or loading equipment. And I got the ammo making equipment because people in Washington scare me. I know too many of them are gun grabbers.
Yep, and those people in Washington are empowered by some fellow citizens who can't see the long term ramifications of supporting Fabians.
Sure do. As far as the KOS goes, I am an occasional reader of that site and and on rare occasions I have posted there. It's really not my cup of tea on many levels.
oy vey...
You do realize that there are some Democrats who actually do understand the Constitution, including civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, right? Why do you post Daily Kos crap here? You don't really buy into the bs they are selling, nor do posters around here. It's a waste of space. Can't you post some views from Democrats who are FOR the Constitution? Or do you not frequent any forums or sites that perscribe to that POV? Why not stick to cups of tea that we all drink, including yourself?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You don't have a point. I chose what I post, not you.
Not really. The Declaration states that we have the right to alter or abolish it if it gets too big for its britches. You really don't think they will just say "fuck it, we'll step down to avoid a revolution", do you? They accumulate power, they don't give it up without being forced to. But I think that most of those that call for armed revolution don't realize what they are wishing for. In reading history, since I have no experience in this, wars take on a life of their own, and revolutions are never clean. It's a last resort, and too many think it's a first resort. But that is where we are headed.
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My point is that this Daily KOS article is butt wipe and you seem to agree. So, why did you chose to post it?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Because I don't post to please your prurient interests, it is not requisite to explain how I determine whether I want to post an article or not. Now, you've twice got to whine about how unworthy the KOS is to you, thanks for sharing; now just take a deep breath, relax, and tell yourself, "I will live if I do not control people in 4UM" as you center your being and get to a more reasonable and workable state of mind. I have faith in you, you can do it. And you will feel so much better when you have done this too.
Off topic, Mike. What is your opinion about the FACT that Democrats are about to face their worst loss in about 50 years in Masschusettes upsetting Obama's plans for a totalitarian nation?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You mean what do I think about how deeply the aspect of checks and balances ensconce themselves into our political system? So it goes for the race, we will see how it plays. It would be easier for Brown to take the seat then keep it, as he is no Ed Brooke, who was the very liberal Republican senator whom Kerry replaced. It will likely force President Obama to move into a more assertive and aggressive mode of operation if the game in the Senate changes taking the slim majority needed to end gridlock vanishes. He will turn a lemon into lemonade as he uses a possible loss as a rallying point to try to reestablish the magic 60 seat voting block again. He's been interesting to watch since taking office, and while I don't trust some of his key people, he's not working an agenda to set up a totalitarian state. Any POTUS needs to be watched like a hawk and should get it with both barrels politically if such an agenda materializes. But I don't see this as something he is working to do; even if there is always good cause to question and challenge any executive orders or signing statements any president puts out.
Should Obama do that, all bets are off. It will be the worst political miscalculation in recent memory. It very well could unite political agnostics of all stripes and the Ds will be bitch slapped harder that what is already coming. All that change and hope, Mike? It was nothing more than big, very big government. The jig is up.
Heh! It's the liberal morons who are always chanting: "No justice, no peace" as they demand another increase in entitlements.
Have you ever considered taking a course in American history?
You very well could be correct, but if the legislative game changes, he is going to have a hard time not responding to criticism from the fold to move into showing more aggressive leadership and less finesse as a manager of his agenda through Congress. Personally I prefer the House's health care bill, and this all does not make much sense unless there is a single payer option to this, and more help for lower income families in getting health insurance. Myself, I have the Veteran's Administration giving me my health care. I am having a broken dental bridge replaced at no cost to me, and when I got helped in falling from that Incense Cedar so many years ago, they paid for all the rehab care I got to restore dexterity and function to my arms. The big beneficiaries of my subsidized health care are Earth Island Institute and Sea Sheppard, the folks working to save dolphins and whales. I have been able to donate lots of time and money to the cause because I am spared these expenses. I am hoping the Democratic candidate can pull a win out of her not very competent butt, but if that does not happen and she loses, I never begrudge the system a more worthy candidate. As I said, he really won't have proved himself until he wins a full term of his own, and a win by him could actually hurt the GOP's traction this midterm election. It will be interesting to watch how this plays out. Your views - while I do not concur with many of them I find well thought out and interesting to ponder, though I hope you are wrong on many of your points about this POTUS.
Heh, I considered, took, and passed Advanced Perception American History in high school and at the University of Oregon. Though I have learned most of what I know from what reading and studying of this topic I have done on my own. ;-)
Are you out of your mind? How much more help do lower income families need than SCHIP, Medicaid, Medicare, and HSA's? Why should middle income citizens get screwed having to pay higher income tax and higher health insurance premiums for mediocre plans all so "lower income families can get more help". Everyone is tired of hearing that Dem Party refrain. Why don't Dem Party voters give more $ out of their wallets to support charities if they feel so concerned about "lower income families." The fact is I read of a study that looked at charitable giving by Dems and GOP and red state GOP voters were far and away the most generous in charitable donations. Dem voters like you talk the talk but don't walk the walk - Dem voters expect everyone else to collectively "give" because they themselves are too cheap to "give" as individuals.
I guess my question for you is this. Do you honestly believe that health care is a right? An inalienable human right? Because if you do, then you must also believe that Slavery is good. That is what this bill makes us ALL. Slaves. So if you want your slavery, find someone to be your master. I have no want of a master, nor have I desire to be the property of anyone else. I just paid $5500.00 in my own expenses for a Kidney Stone, out of pocket. Without having health insurance. I'd prefer to keep it that way, because by working for myself, and paying my own way, my ability to take care of my family, as well as my own interests has saved my neighbors and other taxpayers from having to pay for it.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
And yet, given the circumstances of the very birth of the American nation, you claim that calling for armed insurrection when the ruling government becomes tyrannical is un-American. That's a pretty sad commentary on the quality of education at U of O. There's a man you've probably never heard of called Thomas Paine. He wrote a piece called "Common Sense" that you'll be interested to discover. Check here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_S ense_ Most people would consider Thomas Paine a rather American character.
that's because most D voters are the recipients of government largesse. they want the haves to support the have nots.
Why should middle income citizens get screwed having to pay higher income tax and higher health insurance premiums for mediocre plans all so "lower income families can get more help". Everyone is tired of hearing that Dem Party refrain. Why don't Dem Party voters give more $ out of their wallets to support charities if they feel so concerned about "lower income families." The fact is I read of a study that looked at charitable giving by Dems and GOP and red state GOP voters were far and away the most generous in charitable donations. Dem voters like you talk the talk but don't walk the walk - Dem voters expect everyone else to collectively "give" because they themselves are too cheap to "give" as individuals. B-U-M-P
lol.....one would only get this defensive about the article if they had something vested in it, Mike. Okay, so you feel the need to defend Daily KOS. Knock yourself out. I just asked you some simple questions about why you posted it and what your intent was, nothing more nothing less. My prurient interest? Whine? Give me a break. No control issues with me, just attempting to figure out where you are coming from. I'll not waste my time with such a stupid fishing expedition in the future. We both know how defensive you are about any person daring to call Daily KOS commentary butt wipe. Feel? I don't feel anything about this article. It is you who feels too much, no need to project.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yes, I am familiar with Thomas Paine. Now run along and have a nice insurrection, and if I disagree with you that one is called for, so it goes. By the way Buzz, Tomas Paine pissed most Americans off because of his criticisms and ridicule of Christianity. Was he right on in that opinion too? You do know that only six people showed up to his funeral because of this I hope.
It is you making this tempest in a teapot, not me. Frankly, your question was just dumb. And the article source den mother routine is an old one, so why should I have patience with you playing it?
The bridge is for a service related injury resulting in a tooth loss, I am paying for the teeth cleaning and other dental work being done at the same time out of pocket. I don't feel guilty having the VA pay for a new bridge, as it is in regard to something the Army has responsibility for.
I don't consider the VA to be a form of slavery for the Tax Payer, as our taxes go to pay for the benefits of those who have given their time to protect this nation. What I consider to be slavery, is when a government tells me that I MUST buy insurance at an outrageous price, or be imprisoned. I consider that a form of slavery, which you obviously are in favor of, since you completely dodged my question for you. Way to go Mike. Can fight for your country, but roll over for big government's slavery plan to make you the lapdog of an insurance company.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Most people post articles to actually discuss the content, apparently that isn't your intent. Hence, I was attempting to pin point your intent.....but that was obviously a waste of time. There were several questions ignored about the article, but plenty of defense of not only the article but the source. No den mother, just attempting to see if you ACTUALLY agree with the stupid commentary. Apparently you do. You would rather post your defensive stance than cough up any substance, like I said, I won't waste my time twice. lol....you are so emotional when it comes to Daily KOS. It's like your Bible.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
but Fairy Mike is obviously a waste of time.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
I'm not in favor of a revolution at this time. I think the end result would be worse than what we have now. I'm just pointing out your ignorance when you claim that calling for revolution is unAmerican. It is inherently American from our very founding. Yes, Paine was right about religion, and I sincerely doubt it bothered him that few people attended his funeral. After all, he was dead. Besides, he'll be remembered with respect long after you're dead, buried and forgotten, no matter how big the crowd that attends your funeral.
Well, had I understood you were talking about writings and the thinking of some of the Founding Fathers, I likely would have anwered quite differently. If but for the words of Thomas Jefferson on insurrection.
Actually, no one is to be imprisoned for not getting health insurance, they plan on increasing the tax rate for those without insurance. Not to mention I don't feel there to be a real change unless there is a single payer opion independent from insurance companies.
Since there is no bill, in which version, the House or the Senate, can this be found?
seconded. And if that causes the insurance industry to go boom, couldn't happen to a better bunch. Also, if all the countries with national Health care can do it and if it comes to pass that the US cannot - then the answer will be there for all to see - we will be proved to be a second rate republic.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I only know from what I read in the papers (apologies to Will Rodgers). Most stories about the proposed changes planned talk about how a person's tax rate would go up if they did not have insurance. I have not read either bills, or don't think I would have the patience to in any event seeing how long they are.
I think the biggest portion of the government largesse goes to Republican voters. Certainly, in absolute dollar terms, the amount of money given to Republican Wall Streeters, Republican Military-Industrial Complex members and Republican senior citizens on Social Security and Medicare far exceeds the dollars out of the federal budget which go to the stereotypical D voters to which you refer. (Seniors were the only group which went for McCain.) I'm not saying you're wrong about the D voters. I'm just saying that if we eliminated all the D voters and their programs, there'd still be trillions of dollars being spent by the federal government each year. It really is not reversible. The moment they try to put the Wall Street/Pentagon corporate welfare bums on a diet, what's left of the economy immediately crashes and burns again.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
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#30. To: Rotara (#1)
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We'll use our hand and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads
Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in
Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right
Join the John Birch Society as we're marching on
And we'll all be glad to see you when we're meeting in the John
The John, the John Birch So- ci- i- teee.
#31. To: ferret mike, WEASEL MIKE (#15)
Hint: being the judge, jury and executioner is lynch mob grade reactionary fare, not due process and a real attempt at justice.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#34. To: abraxas (#33)
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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#36. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
#37. To: abraxas (#33)
"So, you don't like the original intent of the Second Amendment, Mike?"
#38. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
It's really not my cup of tea on many levels.
#40. To: abraxas (#39)
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
Protest, regardless of the quarter it comes from, is as American as apple pie, but calling for armed insurrection is ignorant.
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
You don't have a point. I chose what I post, not you.
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#46. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
It will likely force President Obama to move into a more assertive and aggressive mode of operation if the game in the Senate changes taking the slim majority needed to end gridlock vanishes.
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#48. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
Protest, regardless of the quarter it comes from, is as American as apple pie, but calling for armed insurrection is ignorant.
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#50. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#48)
"Have you ever considered taking a course in American history?"
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
Personally I prefer the House's health care bill, and this all does not make much sense unless there is a single payer option to this, and more help for lower income families in getting health insurance.
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#53. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
Heh, I considered, took, and passed Advanced Perception American History in high school and at the University of Oregon. Though I have learned most of what I know from what reading and studying of this topic I have done on my own. ;-)
#54. To: scrapper2 (#51)
Dem voters expect everyone else to collectively "give" because they themselves are too cheap to "give" as individuals.
#55. To: scrapper2 (#51)
Are you out of your mind? How much more help do lower income families need than SCHIP, Medicaid, Medicare, and HSA's?
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#43)
#57. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#53)
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#61. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
#62. To: abraxas (#61)
but that was obviously a waste of time.
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
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Now run along and have a nice insurrection, and if I disagree with you that one is called for, so it goes. By the way Buzz, Tomas Paine pissed most Americans off because of his criticisms and ridicule of Christianity. Was he right on in that opinion too? You do know that only six people showed up to his funeral because of this I hope.
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#65. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#60)
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#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
Actually, no one is to be imprisoned for not getting health insurance, they plan on increasing the tax rate for those without insurance.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
Not to mention I don't feel there to be a real change unless there is a single payer opion independent from insurance companies.
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
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