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Title: Scott Brown full blown AIPAC/Neocon advocate
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URL Source: http://america-hijacked.com/2010/01 ... ll-blown-aipacneocon-advocate/
Published: Jan 21, 2010
Author: America-Hijacked.com
Post Date: 2010-01-21 11:34:46 by christine
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Views: 1407
Comments: 102

Scott Brown full blown AIPAC/Neocon advocate (looks like AIPAC wrote his position paper on Israel validating the Mearsheimer/Walt ‘The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy’ book yet again):

www.solomonia.com/blog/ar...ks-to-bostons-jewish-adv/

www.solomonia.com/blog/ar...-israel-great/index.shtml

www.solomonia.com/blog/im...0/01/scottbrownisrael.pdf

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Such support of Israel is what got US tragically attacked on 9/11 and earlier at the WTC in 1993 (simply look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’ in the index of James Bamford’s ‘A Pretext for War’ book as well):

TINYURL.COM/911MOTIVATION

TINYURL.COM/MOTIVATION911

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#1. To: christine (#0)

He wasn't hired to do anything but stop socialized medicine.

Use him and lose him.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   11:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

LOL

and to think the partisans got all excited about recent politickal events...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   11:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

He wasn't hired to do anything but stop socialized medicine.

I just don't buy the cover story Amigo...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   11:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#3)

I'm not sure about a cover story, but ObamaCare is reeling. So in that respect he has slowed it. Now, if it can be stopped and perhaps killed, what's the downside?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   11:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

I believe TPTB need a few more months of partisan-matrix diversions before the shooting (at them) starts...they weren't ready to tip it yet and so they alleviated the pressure a bit resulting in a full bloomed NEOCON getting his 15 minutes on the stage.

When the shooting starts with Iran no one will be talking or worrying about anything else. IMO


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Such support of Israel is what got US tragically attacked on 9/11 and earlier at the WTC in 1993 (simply look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’...

the implications being... what?

the bunnypants gang deliberately let 9/11 happen instead of staging it themselves?

or... is israel being set up to take the fall as the cause of the "war on terror" by goys who cooked this "war on terror" scheme up (including the 9/11 trigger) to prolong "the american way" as long as possible by grabbing oil at gunpoint?

or are you promoting the official neocon 9/11 conspiracy theory?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-21   11:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rotara (#5)

I can't dismiss any possibilities, including one where Politician Brown would double cross the people who elected him. From what I hear from a close friend in MA, this vote was about nationalized HC, and Brown "promising to be the 41st vote against" it thereby breaking Obama's veto proof majority. The future is yet to be determined, but if Brown does hurt ObamaCare, he'll have been the better alternative selection.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   11:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

neocommie vs neocon

lesser of two evils

the charade goes on...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   11:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: groundresonance (#6)

or are you promoting the official neocon 9/11 conspiracy theory?

huh? are you asking me personally? i'm a truther in case you haven't read my 100s of posts affirming so.

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   12:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara (#8)

One who would damage Obama as opposed to the other who would support him.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   12:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

first you say...

support of Israel is what got US tragically attacked on 9/11...
then you say...
i'm a truther in case you haven't read my 100s of posts affirming so.

so you're saying that neocons' support for israel caused them to do an "own goal" attack on america on 9/11...

okay.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-21   12:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, all (#8)

in the shortterm, any gridlock, if that's what this turns out to be, is a positive. a thought, suppose brown were to instead vote for the debacle. what could that spark?

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   12:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara (#4)

I'm not sure about a cover story, but ObamaCare is reeling. So in that respect he has slowed it. Now, if it can be stopped and perhaps killed, what's the downside?

online.wsj.com/home-page

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   12:06:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

One who would damage Obama as opposed to the other who would support him.

a good reason to have voted for mcCain ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   12:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine, JethroTull (#12)

are y'all giving me a 'lesser of two evils' argument ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   12:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rotara (#5) (Edited)

When the shooting starts with Iran no one will be talking or worrying about anything else. IMO

Is this an intuition on your part, or do you have some hard data & arguments that firm this prediction up?

An assault on Iran has been heralded and called off many a time these last couple of years. There are lots of arguments against it.

randge  posted on  2010-01-21   12:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

...support of Israel is what got US tragically attacked on 9/11 and earlier at the WTC in 1993 (simply look up ‘Israel as a terrorist’s motivation’...

and you're saying that the real terrorists, who were motivated by support of israel, are the neocons, who attacked america on 9/11 to get the israel preservation project underway.

being a pig-in-a-rut sort of step-by-step thinker (aka male), i gots to have this stuff spelled out for me...

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-21   12:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

If you listen closely to the rumblings out of israel, USrael will be at war with Iran in 2010.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   12:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rotara (#8) (Edited)

lesser of two evils

the charade goes on...

In RHINO kosher butt kising, yes.......

But the charade in many other ways will run into GRIDLOCK. Oh happy day!! The best thing for the people of this nation is that these asswipes aren't able to pass any legislation.

I can't say too much about Brownie, but if he steps up to the partisan plate with his NAE vote when necessary, then he will at least prove to be a useful tool.

GO GRIDLOCK!! GIMME THE GRIDLOCK!! GRIN OVER GRIDLOCK!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-21   12:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#19)

they don't NEED to pass ANYTHING to CONTINUE flushing what's left of America down the crapper...it's the same old cycle. now those slightly awakening sheeple think there's gridlock in DeeCee and undoubtedly will soften their righteous anger as they continue to be led to slaughter. that's all i'm saying. putting faith in a NEOCON is ludicrous, as much so as a NEOCOMMIE. we're back to 'lesser of two evil' mindsets and it makes me ill.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   12:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#15)

in the same way that i have re-registered to vote for Deborah Medina (R) for Tx governor as i would have done for R Ron Paul had he gone all the way.

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   12:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

He wasn't hired to do anything but stop socialized medicine.

Use him and lose him.

You got it, JT!

Unlike other states that are stuck with their senators for 6 years, if the voters of MA don't like Brown, he can be turfed in 2012.

He is needed to deliver a "no" on Obamacare to break the Demoncats' Super Majority dictatorship.

Any "no's" after that - Cap and Trade and Amnesty - would be appreciated as well but his "no" to Obabacare is crucial and would pay his way for a 2 year stint in my books.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-21   12:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rotara (#14)

I don't follow your logic w/McCain. That was 14 months ago, and PO (Pre-Obama). Since O, we've been on an express train to the Gulag. It's worse now than it was then, so you're talking apples and oranges. Again, whatever can slow this down I'm for. Brown slows it whereas Coakley wouldn't have.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   12:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rotara (#20)

we're not advocating lesser of two evils. we know better, but we've got what we've got. i'm happy for anything that puts a cog in the wheel of the hellthcare plan *if* in fact that's how it turns out. if not and the people see that they are betrayed yet again, as i asked before, what could it spark?

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   12:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#24)

If Brown fails to impede Obama's HC, it will be a godsend to anyone who has been toiling in the 3rd party arena. It's a win-win in one respect. A win if he blocks Os HC (again, I don't expect him to do anything else positive), and a win if he pees on the shoes on the voters of MA.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   12:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara, abraxas (#20)

putting faith in a NEOCON is ludicrous, as much so as a NEOCOMMIE. we're back to 'lesser of two evil' mindsets and it makes me ill.

Who's putting faith in Brown to lead America out of the wilderness?

We non-kneejerk-doom&gloomers are putting faith in Brown to halt Obamacare - to have his "no" vote break the Demoncats' Super Majority runaway train that's poised to take us off the cliff on Obamacare [ and Cap and Trade, Amnesty hopefully].

This is the happiest political news event in America that has occurred in the past 40 years - Teddy Kennedy's reign of terror is gone! - that fat communist porker seeded our current immigration laws as well as our drive towards socialized medicine. And his death has seeded the hope that MA can throw a wrench in Teddy's 2 great goals: Obamacare and Amnesty.

What good news do you have to offer as an alternative? Dreams of farmers with pitchforks and cowboys with guns and rifles staging a 2nd American Revolution? If that's what you're hoping to come to pass, I'd rather put my hopes in Brown doing what he promised to do - to vote no on Obamacare.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-21   12:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rotara (#20)

they don't NEED to pass ANYTHING to CONTINUE flushing what's left of America down the crapper...it's the same old cycle. now those slightly awakening sheeple think there's gridlock in DeeCee and undoubtedly will soften their righteous anger as they continue to be led to slaughter. that's all i'm saying. putting faith in a NEOCON is ludicrous, as much so as a NEOCOMMIE. we're back to 'lesser of two evil' mindsets and it makes me ill.

Well, I have to agree with you on hating the lesser of two evils mindset. For the record, I wouldn't say I have any faith in Brownie. Hell, in Taxechusetts it seems that evil is a prerequisite to apply for the senate.......lol. That's all those folks have EVER known.

I have to disagree with the sheeple softening righteous anger......not with unemployment rising, foreclosures mounting and the people witnessing a system that robs from them to pay off bankers or insurance companies etc. One Red Senator in Taxechusettes doesn't change the grim view on the ground from coast to coast. Sheesh, even the hopey and changey crowd is moving toward righteous anger right about now.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-21   12:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

politicians are like hemorrhoids, once you get them they are a pain in the arse to get rid of. don't believe me, just check the stats on any given congressman house and senate. for this reason voting for the lesser of two evils proves disastrous.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-21   12:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TwentyTwelve, All (#13)

I was gonna post this under the title "It's dead" but I don't think we're there yet. (We've seen the bait and switch more times than we care to remember.)

Pelosi: There Aren't Enough Votes To Pass The Senate Bill
Rachel Slajda | January 21, 2010, 11:34AM

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi just told reporters that she does not believe she has enough votes in the House to pass the Senate health care reform bill as-is - - at least not yet.

"I don't see the votes for it at this time," Pelosi said. "The members have been very clear in our caucus about the fact that they didn't like it before it had the Nebraska provision and some of the other provisions that are unpalatable to them."

"In every meeting that we have had, there would be nothing to give me any thought that that bill could pass right now the way that it is," she said. "There isn't a market right now for proceeding with the full bill unless some big changes are made."

While she didn't say the option was dead -- "Everything is on the table," she said -- she outlined two very different options for passing a bill.

"There's a recognition that there's a foundation in that bill that's important. So one way or another those areas of agreement that we have will have to be advanced, whether it's by passing the Senate bill with any changes that can be made, or just taking [pieces of it]," Pelosi said.

"We have to get a bill passed -- we know that. That's a predicate that we all subscribe to."

When will that happen? Who knows!

"We're in no rush," Pelosi said.

Reporting by Brian Beutler

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/ ... otes-to-pass-the-senate-bill.p

randge  posted on  2010-01-21   12:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

I was gonna post this under the title "It's dead" but I don't think we're there yet. (We've seen the bait and switch more times than we care to remember.)

4um: WSJ: Obama Retreats on Health

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   12:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: scrapper2 (#26)

This vote exposed O as the empty suit he is. Camelot is officially dead and buried. Where ever O has pimped for a candidate that person has went down in flames, and such voter volatility isn't lost on the BOTH sides of the political coin. Charlie Crist, the establishment R in FL, is in deep trouble in his primary as is Grassley (Iowa?). If the best we can do now is change out the crap, then that's the option for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   12:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#29)

I was gonna post this under the title "It's dead" but I don't think we're there yet. (We've seen the bait and switch more times than we care to remember.)

My Way News - Democrats begin discussing smaller health bill

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   12:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: IRTorqued (#28)

Brown ran on a platform of NO to ObamaCare. Would you rather have had his opponent win who was a rubber stamp?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   12:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Use him and lose him.

Other than Traficant I know of no out spoken anti Israel politician.

Even with him, I cannot recall him using the word Jew.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   13:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: randge (#29)

I was gonna post this under the title "It's dead" but I don't think we're there yet. (We've seen the bait and switch more times than we care to remember.)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   13:44:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TwentyTwelve (#35)

Gotta love it!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   13:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#12)

a thought, suppose brown were to instead vote for the debacle. what could that spark?

Then too, it doesn't need to be Brownie who changes his vote. Rahmbo could just pull out a polaroid of R-Senator So-and-so with his punky stuck in some 4 year-old boy and convince him to change his vote.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out, but either way, it'll be bad for the country. Make no mistake about that.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   13:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#34)

Other than Traficant I know of no out spoken anti Israel politician.

Even with him, I cannot recall him using the word Jew.

I agree. If we can get Traficant back into congress as an (I), that would at least make for some great C-Span special order rants:P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   13:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#0)

From the first link:

"Brown called Attorney General Martha Coakley wrong on both Iran and Afghanistan and portrayed himself as a longtime friend of Israel who would be one of its leading advocates in Washington."

He'll fit right in on FOXJews, Rupert Murdoch will probably pay for him to fly to Israhell for his beanie-wearing photo-op at the Wailing Wall and the Yad Vashem Holocaust History Museum in Jerusalem.

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X-15  posted on  2010-01-21   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Gotta love it!

Global Warming is stalled.

Swine Flu is stalled.

Obamacare is stalled.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)

Cap and Trade too.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   14:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Gotta love it!

I wish I had your enthusiasm. I guess I've busted my ass one too many times when Lucy jerked the football away at the last second.

If this healthcare fails, what kind of punishment do you suppose they have in store for us? "Iran" nuking us perhaps? The Muslims & Chinese that control Goldman Sachs and all of Wall Street crashing the economy again? You know damn well they just won't let this drop.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   14:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#42)

You know damn well they just won't let this drop.

Unfortunately you are correct.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#41)

Cap and Trade too.

Stalled but not dead.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

and what are you going to say when brown comes out and states he is for a so called republican health care reform bill? it will make the MA election the same as the last national elections, a different path to the same destination.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-21   14:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Esso (#42)

The Muslims & Chinese that control Goldman Sachs and all of Wall Street crashing the economy again?

The economy is in terrible shape and getting worse.

Rise in jobless claims signals bump in recovery - Yahoo! Finance

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: IRTorqued (#45)

and what are you going to say when brown comes out and states he is for a so called republican health care reform bill?

Why don't we cross that bridge when we get there? Brown was elected to say NO to ObamaCare, and that's all I expect. I'll ask again, is it better to have a Brown NO vote than a Coakley YES vote?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   14:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: IRTorqued (#45)

...and what are you going to say when brown comes out and states he is for a so called republican health care reform bill? it will make the MA election the same as the last national elections, a different path to the same destination.

..but we are being told that our new national hero is a good guy.

4um: A New Paul Revere Rides in Boston

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull (#40)

Global Warming is stalled. Swine Flu is stalled. Obamacare is stalled. Cap and Trade too.

Crap, somebody's gonna be wanting revenge.

We've been getting pretty uppity lately. Time for a spankin'.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   14:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: IRTorqued (#45)

and what are you going to say when brown comes out and states he is for a so called republican health care reform bill? it will make the MA election the same as the last national elections, a different path to the same destination.

If the Republicans came up with a sensible bill that included tort reform, removing inter-state barriers to insurance companies competing with one another, muscle to prosecute Medicaid and Medicare fraud, enhance HSA account promotion to the sheeple, why not consider such legislation? Obamacare is bad not because it's being promoted by the Dems rather than the GOP. Obamacare is bad because it's bad for many many many intrinsic reasons, not because of its political party's authorship/affiliation. If a good health care reform plan were presented, is it automatically bad, in your eyes, if it's presented by the GOP?

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-21   14:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

what will be the difference between a brown yes and a coakley yes? like so many others in so many words they were not the only ones who could run for that seat.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-21   14:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#49)

Global Warming is stalled. Swine Flu is stalled. Obamacare is stalled. Cap and Trade too.

Crap, somebody's gonna be wanting revenge.

We've been getting pretty uppity lately. Time for a spankin'.

The calm before the storm.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Esso (#42)

Esso, I haven't a clue what the future holds, but I do know that today we're in the grip of a black radical who is either a socialist at best or a Marxist at worst. My enthusiasm is coming from friends and family who are taxed to the max and in some case recently unemployed. You say you want a revolution? Well one way is to block this Empty Suit with the only weapon we have before the cartridge box. For the life of me I don't understand how trading out a YES vote for a NO vote isn't a good thing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   14:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: scrapper2 (#50)

I'll have nothing to do with either an RNCFR or DNCFR phony war of words bill.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-21   14:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: IRTorqued (#51)

like so many others in so many words they were not the only ones who could run for that seat.

They were the only viable choice. Kennedy, the Libertarian, received 1% which really blows, but that's the reality.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   14:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IRTorqued, Jethro Tull (#51)

what will be the difference between a brown yes and a coakley yes? like so many others in so many words they were not the only ones who could run for that seat.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

---Franklin D. Roosevelt

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#49)

Global Warming is stalled. Swine Flu is stalled. Obamacare is stalled. Cap and Trade too.

Crap, somebody's gonna be wanting revenge.

We've been getting pretty uppity lately. Time for a spankin'.

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-01-21   14:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

For the life of me I don't understand how trading out a YES vote for a NO vote isn't a good thing.

I guess I'm just worried about the unintended consequences. If this healthcare would just go away, that would be a good thing, but for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. That's what scares me.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   14:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: IRTorqued (#54)

I'll have nothing to do with either an RNCFR or DNCFR phony war of words bill.

Riggggghhht. Yet another keyboard commando internet freedom fighter for America and Americans. You and your kind are going to save Americans from ObamaHellCare...not. I'd rather put my faith in Scott Brown, thank you very much, Mr. America Drop-Out.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-21   14:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: scrapper2 (#59)

bahala na bobo.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-21   14:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Esso (#58)

I totally understand your thinking, and people like us are so jaded we trust nobody and nothing at times. I'm mostly still there, but I freely admit the Obama selection changed me. We're down to the wire as far as our freedom. We can't allow Obama and his legion of freaks to gain any more power and control. I have zero confidence in Brown (beyond his NO vote) and Palin, etc, but just maybe we can get to a better point than we are now by taking one step at a time. If this fails, we lost nothing and I assume we're all prepared to act as free men and women should the clamps come down.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   14:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#42)

I wish I had your enthusiasm. I guess I've busted my ass one too many times when Lucy jerked the football away at the last second.

Young man, there is your problem.

Lucy owns and operates the football, controlling the action at all times.

Therefore Esso needs just once to kick Lucy's ass to change the game.

Now, Lucy still owns the football, controls the game, but Esso has scored a touchdown when Lucy was not paying attention.

Thus, nothing has changed long run but we all saw you boot Lucy's rear end and cheered.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   16:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#62)

i like that! ;)

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   16:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine, Esso, Jethro tull (#63)

i like that! ;)

Well, Esso and a few others have not savored the moment of the Kennedy "seat" being finally buried for all time. Perhaps it is their youth that does not understand that Kennedy hung in Congress for nearly 50 years.

The voters of Mass were not intelligent enough to take him out so the Grim Reaper finally did the job.

This new man, Brown, most likely will be no better but that is okay, at least finally the TAXPAYERS voted, I loved that and Esso should too.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   16:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Cynicom (#64)

Just look to the Nest to gauge the reaction of his election. The socialists aren't happy. There's no longer any time to be a purist. Vote for gridlock.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   16:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cynicom (#65)

We must be the odd ducks. I celebrated when Bush and the country club Rs took it in the shorts in '06 and '08, and now I feel the same when Obama's hand picked lackeys get tossed overboard. I suppose I simply subscribe to changing out these SOBs early and often.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   17:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

I suppose I simply subscribe to changing out these SOBs early and often.

Absolutely! Changing the SOB's "early and often" - good watch words for US voters.

Turf the incumbents or incumbent designates. Practice unofficial term limits to foil the special interest lobby groups sinking in their claws. Don't give any time for moss to grow on congresscritters.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-21   17:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull, Esso, christine (#65)

Just look to the Nest

I seldom go there as I feel I need a cleansing hot bath when I leave.

Us hill billy white trash prefer just our usual satiddy nite rinsing.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   17:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#64)

Well, Esso and a few others have not savored the moment of the Kennedy "seat" being finally buried for all time. Perhaps it is their youth that does not understand that Kennedy hung in Congress for nearly 50 years.

The voters of Mass were not intelligent enough to take him out so the Grim Reaper finally did the job.

Oh, I noticed. This is the Democratic Party being disembowled right on their front doorstep.

On 2010-01-21 10:48:30, X-15 wrote:

This is also a death-blow to "Camelot" and the Kennedy-legacy. Mary Jo Kopechne has finally obtained some small measure of retribution.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-01-21   17:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara, christine (#23)

Since O, we've been on an express train to the Gulag.

I'm all for voting for the greater of two evils these days. I want to get the AR II started as soon as possible so I'm not to old to enjoy it.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-01-21   19:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: scrapper2 (#50)

why not consider such legislation?

Because legislation is probably what fucked up health care to begin with. It worked fine up until the last couple of decades. What changed to screw it all up? My hunch is legislation of one sort or another.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-01-21   19:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Critter (#70)

I'm all for voting for the greater of two evils these days.

There ya go, I'll buy that. That seems to be a much better plan than waiting around for some white knight or Milfy Sarah to save us. We're too far gone to save, so let's get the show on the road.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   19:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Esso, Critter (#72)

Amen. I will not allow my children nor grandchildren to be enslaved because I won't do my part as an American nor to fight MY generation's fight.

Damn the torpedoes


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   20:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Critter, Esso (#73)

I don't remember if you two live in Massofchewspit, but if you did - would you have voted for either a NEOCOMMIE or a NEOCON given the opportunity ? Or would you vote for someone else or just abstain...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   20:52:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: christine (#0)

Scott Brown full blown AIPAC/Neocon advocate

The Northeast is Jewish owned terrority - to think Brown wouldn't be publically 100% in line with Israel is beyond foolish.

The people of the Northeast live in fear of the Jews - they are indeed terrorized by them. Most people of the Northeast are in the grips of the Stockholm syndrome - they actually side with their terrorist overlord. The rest just clam up when Jewish issues arise.

If Scott Brown stops Obamacare then we should be thankful to him.

The Senate buries its newest members - they will chew him up and spit him out if he goes "Mister Smith goes to Washington."

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-21   20:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: your_neighbor (#75)

What's going to happen is that government intervention and 'fairness' in the health care industry is not going to get better but worse with a now 'bipartisan' pile of Oshit and now we have people schlepping for a Zionazi RINO warmonger NEOCON...yay fucking yay. Devolution is never fun...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Rotara (#74)

No, I'm in Indiana. I haven't voted since I met one of the people responsible for programming the results into the voting machines before they're delivered to the polls.

The person wrote down some of the final results of some races the night of the election before they were counted. The numbers were exact when checked with the newspaper the next day.

I'll never vote again. I think that happened during the 2002 mid-term election.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   21:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Esso (#77)

Thank You


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Esso, Rotara, Critter, Jethro Tull, randge, scrapper2, abraxas, IRTORqued (#72)

We're too far gone to save, so let's get the show on the road.

i can certainly identify with that sentiment and that would be my preference. i think. we really, really don't know what the end result would be. it probably would be worse for most of us than it is now. afterall, they're the ones with the tanks and how many american patriots are there who would be willing to kill and/or die for this country? not just willing, but truly able.

the reality is the sobs could keep this going for years. in the meantime, we have our lives to live and we have families to take care of. so, i'll be happy about any little cog in the wheel in the meantime.

p.s. as i said up the thread, i've re-registered to vote in Texas so i can support Deborah Medina who is a republican.

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   21:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: christine (#79)

p.s. as i said up the thread, i've re-registered to vote in Texas so i can support Deborah Medina who is a republican.

Please consider putting a flashing medinafortexas.com button on the left.

Anyone who believes in freedom, anywhere in our country, should consider supporting her in this fight for liberty.

Her message resonates - she just needs to get some more money to spread it.

Thank you.

Lod  posted on  2010-01-21   21:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Rotara (#74)

I lived in CT but now in NY, but I always vote my conscience.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-01-21   21:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: christine (#79)

The bullshit is history in my book and I'm sure that I'm alone.

It's now, officially, "LIVE FREE or DIE" time and I'm not going to sit around playing partisan NEOCOMMIE vs NEOCON politicks anymore hoping to 'reclaim America' without any inherent and very serious pain.

The certain slow then sudden death at the hands of these fucking tyrants is NO LONGER bearable.

Come what may, I won't be the guy or part of another generation that can't get their shit together enough to at least ATTEMPT to throw off the freaking shackles.

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." - A.S.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Critter (#81)

How would your conscience have guided you in Massofchewspit this week ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Jethro Tull (#61)

Are you ready to admit that McCain isn't nearly as bad as Obama. And would have made a better president. No I don't like him but I hate him much less.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-21   21:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Rotara (#76)

now we have people schlepping for a Zionazi RINO warmonger NEOCON

Hmm -- now we have people schlepping for a Zionazi XXXX warmonger NEOCON

In America - that is no other choice in the political process.

Is it rational to opt out entirely?

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-21   21:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#79)

we really, really don't know what the end result would be.

We do not know what the end result will be, that is true.

However, if we review history and the horrible conditions visited on the masses by evil men, we can form a visual scene in our minds as to what we might expect at the final downfall.

Man has never known any limit to his depravity, his barbarism, his inhumanity towards others. The masses will be exterminated in near total.

Once the nuclear sword is unsheathed, there will be no rules of war.

Survivors by the few in a world fit for no one.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   21:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: A K A Stone, Jethro Tull (#84)

Are you ready to admit that McCain isn't nearly as bad as Obama. And would have made a better president. No I don't like him but I hate him much less.

LOL !

The can of worms hath been opened...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: your_neighbor (#85)

In America - that is no other choice in the political process.

Is it rational to opt out entirely?

You deserve a non-response-response you partisan HACK...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Rotara (#88)

Is it rational to opt out entirely?

You deserve a non-response-response you partisan HACK...

A very intelligent response.

I guess you have no answer to my question.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-21   21:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: your_neighbor (#89)

What are you talking about ? I barely consider you a man let alone an American you RINO talking point spewer...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Rotara (#87)

It isn't a can of worms for me, R.

Brown's NO vote tossed Os HC plan on it's ass and JD Hayworth is going to primary McCain in AZ. Hayworth blows too, but he's better than McCain so he'd be the better choice.

Obama has changed the equation for me. I now reserve the right to obstruct his domestic socialistic agenda using any means at my disposal. If I said it once, I've said it a million times, foreign policy is directed at us from the State Dept. therefore Brown and Coakley both will/would do the bidding of AIPAC. It's a foreign policy wash. So the difference between them was Brown's promised NO vote which has already stalled the bill in the House. Well done Mr. Brown. We got our money's worth already.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   21:53:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#91)

WWRD ? What Would Ron Do ? Vote for the Zionazi Neocon RINO ?

I'm going to drown my lesser of two evils sorrow in a bottle of excellent tekillya and pretend this week never happened on 4um my dear friend...wish me luck.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-21   21:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Rotara (#87)

The can of worms retards hath been opened...

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   21:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Rotara (#92) (Edited)

R, Obama's *domestic* agenda needs a speed bump. He can stick his Cadillac tax up his ass. After Brown votes NO I could care less if he gets hit in the ass by an 18-wheeler driven by an illegal.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-21   21:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Cynicom (#86)

Man has never known any limit to his depravity, his barbarism, his inhumanity towards others. The masses will be exterminated in near total.

i know...and the masses will include our children, parents, siblings, friends, pets. horror and suffering of a magnitude that i can't really fathom especially having never witnessed war up close and personal myself.

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   21:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#94)

18-wheeler driven by an illegal.

And amen brother. Can we have an amen from Esso????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-21   22:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Rotara (#92)

a bottle of excellent tekillya

What's that cost in your neck of the (turd) world?

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-21   22:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Rotara (#90)

I barely consider you a man let alone an American you RINO talking point spewer...

Man - who gave this thing a wedgy?

I will say it again --- If Scott Brown stopped Obamacare - then I am grateful.

Obamacare would have cost the wellbeing of many people.

It is irrational to sacrifice the immediate wellbeing of people over the Jewish issue.

The Jew issue is going to be with us for many years --- the doctor says "do no immediate harm."

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-21   22:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom (#96)

Splattered politicians are always OK in my book as long as the rig isn't damaged. Amen.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-21   22:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Rotara (#83)

The Libertarian, Kennedy.


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-01-21   23:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Critter (#100)

www.medinafortexas.com/

check out Deborah Medina.

christine  posted on  2010-01-21   23:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Rotara (#18)

If you listen closely to the rumblings out of israel, USrael will be at war with Iran in 2010.

There's always a rumbling out of Israel like a diner with a belly full of tacos.

Nevertheless, I see that things are "hotting up" as our Brit friends say, on Israel's northern border.

Israel about to go into Lebanon/strike Iran?

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There's some important things that are happening right now... This may be nothing... But here's the facts:

The American source noted that Israel had warned Syria not to equip Hezbollah with such missiles. He estimated that if Damascus chose to do so, this would lead to a war between Israel and Hezbollah and Israel may also bomb targets in the Syrian capital. (Ynet)

Today:

10:30 U.S. official: Israel will strike Syria if it gives Hezbollah SA2 missiles (Haaretz)

From Lebanese sources :

17/01/10 13:48 NNA - Lebanese Army anti-aircraft batteries went into actions as Israeli warplanes effected multiple breaches over most of Lebanese territories. Incoming formations of enemy planes provocatively flying at low attitude over many parts of Lebanon have been duly intercepted by Lebanese Army anti-aircraft units over most of Lebanon.

3:15pm An Israeli army patrol crossed into the Lebanese side of the border village of Ghajar and made a 300-meter penetration of the area.

17/01/10 15:55... NNA - An intense Israeli build up of forces during the last 24 hours has been observed along the eastern sector of the Blue-Line with mobile and fixed patrols taking up positions between Shebaa farms up till the far end of the eastern sector.

Israeli tank emplacements were also spotted next to the farms amid intense over flights by helicopter gunships and warplanes. Earlier, an Israeli mechanized infantry unit comprised of 2 hummers crossed the UN-designated blue-line for 300 meters in the direction of the occupied part of Al-Ghajar village.

The Israeli patrol reportedly taped Wazani water reservoir for nearly 15 min before withdrawing to the occupied zone.

Meanwhile, Intense Israeli ground and areal activity has been also spotted in the sector extending between Wazani River and Mount Hermon. On the Lebanese side of the Blue-Line, UNIFIL and Lebanese Army personnel intensified patrolling activities in Oudaiseh hilltops Fatmeh gateway, Wazani and Aarqoub. Lebanese army activity has been also spotted to the South East of shebaa.

There's no moon in the area for the next 2 nights or so... perfect for night bombing...

That's twice in the past 10 days the Lebanese Army has fired on the IAF. It is pretty normal for the IAF (really ever since the early 80s) to overfly Lebanon conducting recon. I'll have to find it, but there was an UNIFL report a couple days ago that said the IAF overflights were increasing in quantity and duration.

The increased probing is a normal precursor to an attack of some sort...logic.

Perfect time to strike, the whole world is focused on Haiti... remember when Israel bombed Gaza in 08? It was during the Christmas holidays...

Israel to simulate biological warfare attack

An exercise simulating a response to a biological warfare attack will be carried out in the Dan region next week.

The exercise, which will be the largest of its kind in Israel's history, will be carried out in Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, and Holon and aims to evaluate the ability of the Home Front, the medical services, rescue teams and the municipal authorities to respond in the conditions created by a biological catastrophe caused either by terrorists or by accident.

Iran to mount major military exercise next month

Just a few hours ago...

Iran: World Powers Fail to Agree on Sanctions

Israel will strike Iran if no sanctions in place by Christmas

Maybe they were just waiting for another crisis to pop up so they could do it... Haiti earthquake is one big crisis...

A few days ago..

Israel Bolsters KC-707 Refueling Fleet

Refueling fleet to bomb Iran...

Very interesting events taking place... Maybe it's just an Israeli exercise on the border... if more israeli deployments are seen, this could be it...we'll see in the next few days if something happens.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread535653/pg1

Haaretz says the Syria is getting ready for a fight.

Israel: Syria readying for war

By Ze'ev Schiff

The gist of the Israeli message in its recent talks with United States Defense Secretary Robert Gates is that Syria is preparing for a military confrontation with Israel.

The U.S. message to Israel on Syria, in contrast, remained unchanged: Israel should at present avoid diplomatic talks with Damascus because President Bashar Assad plans on using such talks to extricate Syria from its isolation. Israeli talks with Damascus would be a knife in the back of the government of Fouad Siniora in Lebanon.

No tangible evidence exists, Israel told the U.S., that Damascus is planning an all-out war with Israel. But it is believed that Damascus has concluded that Israel might respond to various Syrian actions and that would be the cause of a full-blown confrontation.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/851063.html

Lots of other bits and pieces floating around. Mitchell is in Damascus trying to get discussions going between Syria and Israel. A bridge between Jordan and Israel has been blown and a carful of Israeli diplomats detailed to the Jordanian capital narrowly avoided going down with it. Some say that this was in retaliation for the assassination of the Iranian nuclear scientist that some say was hit by Israel.

An frontal assault on Iran is a perilous undertaking. If Israel is really moving in the north, it hints at the prospect that it may try to draw Iran in by cranking up the proxy war with Iran's allies in Syria and Lebanon.

randge  posted on  2010-01-22   9:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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