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Title: SONG SHOP for musical mechanics
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Published: Jan 23, 2010
Author: groundresonance
Post Date: 2010-01-23 10:22:26 by groundresonance
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post homemade songs here.

post criticism of posted songs.

remix posted songs (if you're equipped to do so and individual tracks are posted). add tracks (bass, drums, harmony, boston symphony, etc) to posted songs (with songwriter's permission). remove and replace tracks on posted songs (with songwriter's permission). start from scratch and redo posted songs (with songwriter's permission).

post your qualifications as a voodoo adept in case of gruesome copyright violations. keep in mind that posting an original song here is proof of its existence at time of posting.

post poems that need music. post music that needs words. post ideas that need words and music. dont be discouraged if nobody seems to be turned on enough to work on your (e)all the above.

for my songs: anything goes, with one request: you post the results.

my native format: wav, 44.1 kHZ, 16 bit. DAW: reaper, will save and work with most formats.

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here's "mountain star" on youtube, a thirty-year-old song.

it doesnt sound right after having gone through three or four conversions: to get to youtube, it goes like this: first, you mix the song down from the raw data in your basement, which is isolated enough from the rest of humanity that you wont be hunted down.

okay. you got the home master, then you go to reaper to convert the song to something that windows moviemaker can deal with. reaper colors the sound, and so does windows moviemaker, but you have to go to reaper or something like it to edit, and you have to go to moviemaker to save the song in something that youtube will accept... and youtube colors the song more.

so you wind up with not quite what you started with... if it's a good song, it will survive.

this song is as simple as it gets: two tracks, guitar and vocal isolated from each other, fed into an effects box that stereoizes both tracks, and that's mixed down, balancing vocal and guitar, into a preliminary master that's exported to reaper for EQ, fade in, fade out, and whatever, then on to windows moviemaker and youtube.

commercial songs have dozens of tracks, and they're put together by engineers who've spent a lifetime of tweaking songs.

anyhow, what you get is what you get.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   12:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

now then

if anybody wants to work on a song, they'll most likely need the individual tracks... ...which involves a little work for the songwriter, but there's lots of hosts out there, not to mention email attachments.

it would probably be a good thing to keep it all as public as possible, though, seeing as how one of the most distinguishing characteristics of songwriters (other than drunkeness) is paranoia.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

god knows where the paranoia comes from

wouldnt in a million years have anything to do with the people who run the music business

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i guess what all this boils down to, is this: whatever else it is, music is a weapon.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it's too soon to tell if i can still write songs... the only proof we've got that i can still write is "god and ten dollar gas"... how much "proof" is that?

maybe i'm running out of courage... and it's not courage to criticize the authorities that i'm running out of... it's the courage to abuse myself enough to force the songs out.

for instance, i'm coasting now on a moderate hangover, and now it's time to eat or go for beer... i washed the plate and the frying pan, having decided to eat.

if i had any balls, i'd go for more beer.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   21:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

there's always the danger of confusing "courage" with "heedlessness"

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   21:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

went past the seniors' club, dance on saturday nights.

the place was packed on a night when only the heedless would go out... these people are a few years older than the oldest boomers, and glancing at them as i rode by, they seemed to be happy.

what are they plotting?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   22:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

about DAWs (digital audio workstations) and recording techniques...

DAWs are software into which you can drag your digital recordings for editing, and if you've got the interface, you can record directly into your computer via the DAW.

DAWs let you drag and drop sections of music... for instance, if you particularly like the way you sang or played one instance of a song's chorus (out of the three or four times the chorus came around in the song), you can drag and drop the best chorus to replace the others.

DAWs are like any other computer thing: they're rigid. you have to play by their rules or you dont play very well... and the first rule is, you have to stay in time throughout the song, because the editing features are based on measures and tempo, and tempo is the number of beats per minute.

for instance, if that chorus you like best occurs at the end of the song, but you've gradually sped up a few beats a minute during the song, you're gonna have a hard time getting your favorite to match up with with the slower tempos earlier in the song.

so you have to record to a click track to keep your tempo constant so you can drag parts and they match the tempo of wherever you drug them to... a click track is easier to keep time with if you replace the "click" sound with real drum sounds.

you can download free DAWs from the internet, and many of the not-so-free DAWs have free trial periods.

my problem, being a newcomer to this DAW business, is that they're capable of doing about a million times more than what i need to do, so they're way complicated... you dont have to use features you dont need, but the inclusion of all those features inevitably complicates things, especially if the feature you need is buried in a thousand pages of features you dont need.

download daw music software "free trial" OR free

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-24   23:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

those happy old codgers at the senior center last night... cant stop thinking about them.

the band is certainly nothing to crow about, creaky old guys (and probably one codgerly lady playing steel guitar, although i went past too fast to check them out very good) playing songs that went out of fashion fifty years ago... and not playing all that well, either, if it's the same band that usually plays there.

now, after that last post about DAWs, i recorded a song and i'm now attempting to find a host for the wav files that you can plug into a DAW editor.

the wav files are big, 20 mb per track, and i'm getting bogged down in finding a host that can accept an upload in less than seven minutes... if you need to upload eight or ten files, one per track, you're looking at a major waste of time uploading files.

what's this got to do with the old folks? ...if you think of music as a weapon, could it be that the commerical music business, controlled by the same people who control the rest of the media, has made music production so complicated that a major weapon of the grassroots is nullified?

could it be that we're gonna eventually have to be content with music that doesnt require millions of dollars worth of equipment to produce, and could it be that these codgers tuned out of commercial music back in the fifties and sixties? ...and so are content with their codgerly music performed by other codgers?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-25   1:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's a rough mix of "railroad man" on youtube.

the wav files are too big to post, so i'll post some mp3s of individual tracks once they're saved to a host, mostly for the experience, since this version of the song is too haywire to fool with... i think i'd be better off practicing until i got it right, rather than getting bogged down in more machinery.

...if anyone has the tools and inclination to tinker with the song once the mp3s are posted, or even start from scratch, have at it if you think it's worth the effort.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   0:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

drums http://kiwi6.com/file?id=rwgg9i4b3x

vocal http://www.plunder.com/vocal-mp3-download-9442629bc9.htm

guitar http://www.plunder.com/guitar-mp3-download-86a8abd793.htm

plunder mp3 of youtube mix http://www.plunder.com/rrman-mp3-download- 6590dedd81.htm cant download without joining

kiwi mp3 of youtube mix http://kiwi6.com/file?id=s528u5mi95 CAN download without joining, but you cant preview track

this seems to be turning into the usual shit sandwich... apparently you can download files from kiwi without joining kiwi, but you cant listen to the track before you download it... on the other hand, you can listen to the tracks on plunder, but you cant download them without joining...

...not to mention that i've been listening to the song while i'm trying to figure all this out, and the chorus on that vocal is driving me nuts... for some reason, converting the file you youtube seems to have exaggerated the chorus

on the other hand, i might be going deaf, to go along with my blindness.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   2:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is the program I use anytime I need to convert any media files.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26   2:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thank you... i'll try it.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   2:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the default settings work but can be tweaked to meet your needs I shoot video of our CNC operations and use it to strip off the extremely loud audio a couple other programs I use are video edit master which is also free I use it to cut and splice video I shoot of CNC operations when someone steps into the shot for whatever reason. and muvee (free to try bucks to buy) though I do have an older light version of muvee that came with a video camera I bought a couple years back. that program I use to add sound tracks and it also has various styles it can apply to ones production

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26   2:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i had to google "CNC operations"... man, i've always been curious about that stuff... it's got to be one of those things that nobody thinks about, but is probably one of the most important functions of computers.

thank you for the movie editors... there's no doubt i'll be a star once i start filming myself biting chunks of meat out of my forearms in frustration with this music machinery.

america, here i come

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   2:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we do highly custom woodwork, along with plastic and non-ferrous metal milling/cutting operations. the machine we use is the KOMO Mach Xtreme 512

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26   3:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Feedrate/Traverse Rates X Axis up to 3150ipm (80,000mm/min) Y Axis up to 2300ipm (58,240mm/min)

Z Axis up to 1200ipm (30,480mm/min)

Repeatability +/-0.0004" (0.01mm) Unidirectional Repeatability

that's unbelievable

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   3:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we do it every day. and it sure beats the way we used to do it with saber saws and 3hp routers and a veritable plethora of jigs/fixtures.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26   3:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yeah, i've done a little fabricating... wound up making tools to make tools to make tools, etc.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   3:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

back when the CNC was just a dream for the shop one of the guys (there are only three of us) said "man we'll really be able to make some nice jigs with it" that was good for a chuckle.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26   3:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

seems like this CNC stuff is one of the things that will have to survive TS hitting TF... provided that the CNC machines themselves can be maintained.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-27   0:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the key crippler will be the power our service requirements is 440 3 phase in excess of 1200 amps if we lose just one leg of the service may as well turn out the lights. we could still run with the dust collection system down but lose either the air compressor or the vacuum pump and even if we wanted we could not operate as the CNC requires both for anything to happen when one pushes the cycle start button. in fact without air the machine won't even boot up.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-27   0:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so, from the electricity supply standpoint, if you lived in phoenix, how many acres of solar panels would it take to run one of those machines? ...if you lived in the northwest, how many acre feet per minute of hydro would it take to run the machines?

are the machines capable of fabricating their own replacement parts?

what about the digital stuff? how durable and vulnerable is that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-27   0:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if i showed up at your shop with a hand-drawn diagram of what i need, could you make it?

how many watermelons would you charge me to make a new derailleur for my bike?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-27   0:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, just a matter of rendering it in autocad then process it through routercim. price is going to depend on the run time which routercim will estimate, I believe the current rate is $250.00 an hour, I don't get too mixed up in the accounting, I keep busy enough as the electrician, plumber, network administrator and turning G code into completed products. what I do know about the pricing is that the more of an item one wants the unit price decreases. we don't bid a lot of jobs of onesees twosees when we do they are up there, mainly to cover the time spent on the drawing.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-27   1:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so if TSHTF, this technology is probably gonna be supported by the military government, and everyday people are not gonna be able to afford it.

if that's the case, CNC operators wont have to worry about interruptions to power supply or replacement parts.

The G-codes are the codes that position the tool and do the actual work, as opposed to M-codes, that manages the machine; T for tool-related codes. S and F are tool-Speed and tool-Feed, and finally D-codes for tool compensation.

wikipedia g-code

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-27   1:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we don't do a lot of government gigs and most if not all of those are actually requests from subcontractors. though awhile back we did some lexan radiation shields for NASA, glue those pigs up was fun due to the arc we had to make an assembly jig.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-27   1:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...was fun due to the arc we had to make an assembly jig.

back to the goodle days

apropos of nothing... cold on the shoulder

rollin' in my sweet baby's arms

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-27   1:33:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

back in the goodle days (i'm talking about the old goodle days) the signal-to-noise ratio was pretty high... the sounds you heard were pretty much reality, except for the human blowhards that probably have existed from the day humans first invented language... other than that blowhard noise, the signal was pretty clear: if you heard a lion roaring, that meant there was a lion in the neighborhood.

now we've got professional blowhards who are paid to degrade the signal-to- noise ratio for political and religious reasons, and we've got people with nothing better to do than add their noise to an already cluttered soundscape, just for something to do...

...so it's hard, anymore, to tell exactly what the truth is... because you got to separate out the most likely truth from the bullshit peddled by the professional liars...

...and the search for truth is made more difficult by the sheer volume of noise that's generated by people who have nothing to do but shoot their mouths off.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   8:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

digital methods of recording improved the signal-to-noise ratio... now, there's no static at all due to the recording, so the liars and motormouths can record their lies and bullshit with no degradation of the technical signal-to-noise ratio whatsoever.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   9:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

now then... here's my theory about how i came to be so particular about the signal-to-noise ratio...

i grew up in the country... so far out in the country that, when television finally arrived in our living room, i couldnt tolerate it... i was used to being alone, a hunter and a fisherman, listening to and watching reality.

then i grew up, went to college, and, desperate to escape the unreality of college, joined the military to go to flight school... and although there's a certain amount of luck involved in my surviving 35 years of flying, there remains one fact: you had to tell yourself the truth about the conditions and your capabilities or you died.

in other words, the signal-to-noise ratio in your brain will have to be pretty high if you're gonna survive as a helicopter pilot.

so i've been conditioned, since childhood, to pay attention to the signal-to- noise ratio.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   9:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

it's just too goddamned bad, i guess, that humans are compulsive noisemakers.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-18   9:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

last laugh

daddylonglegs climbin' up my wall
sometimes he stumbles but he never falls
it's true
it's you
fat ol' cat sittin' on my fence
sometimes she sins but she always makes sense
it's true
it's you

you keep on starin'
off the back of the jacket of your book

makin' believe is just fine with me
but you better get ready for the third degree
it's true
it's true
what you're seein' is what you'll get
what you believe in is what you'll bet
it's true
it's up to you

you keep on starin'
off the back of the jacket of your book

changes come, chains go
aint it a shame but the angels know
it's true
it's true
free lunch in a hurry if you wanta bite
sometimes i worry bout your appetite
i do
i do

you keep on starin'
off the back of the jacket of your book

daddylonglegs climbin' up my wall
sometimes she stumbles but she never stalls
it's true
it's you
skinny ol' cat sitting on my fence
sometimes he sins, says it's self defense
it's you

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-21   2:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the omelette song (1981 or 1982)

the kids grew up
then they moved away
and got divorced
they called me up
again on christmas day
their laughter's forced

i didnt know what to say
it dont really matter anyway
i guess
but they were supposed to be the best

grandkids everyday
i wonder
do they need a hug
i never see'em
they're so far away
i send'em junk

i dont know what to do
have i lived too long
to see'em through
this mess
but i
never thought i was the best

there must be one hell of an omelette
cookin up around here
somewhere

there's got to be one hell of an omelette
cookin up around here
somewhere

there better be one hell of an omelette
cookin up around here
somewhere

groundresonance  posted on  2010-04-07   19:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

god and ten dollar gas

railroad man

from the ramshackle women album

aint it sad when you run out of gas

it's you and your appetite

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-08-16   23:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

back again, huh?

From Don D's wall post concerning budget initiatives: "... and we must rebuild our infrastructure, especially the roads and bridges. The American people are gonna need a place to live under...and jump off of."

christine  posted on  2011-08-17   0:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i musta left a clue someplace.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-08-17   0:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

once you've figured out the music production machinery (like your DAW and the hardware interface) and you've got (what you think is) a presentable product, you have to find a place to put it on the web.

that's trial and (mostly) error.

supload seems to work best. zshare sometimes puts uncontrollable commercials on top of the music.

nobody will be worth a shit in the long run, as economic pressures overtake decency.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-08-17   2:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

forty buck bag

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-08-18   1:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

more songs from ramshackle women, late 70s, with minor word changes...

she wants a dad

you already got a guy

about these songs... the idea of "she wants a dad" is unfair, but i cant figure out exactly why.

"you already got a guy" is haywire technically, and it's a measure of human capacity for self-deception that i listened to it for three or four days, thinking it was wonderful (relatively).

the problem is... when you're learning how to play the guitar and run the machinery, and you record a few songs in a batch, by the time you've recorded those songs, the knowledge and skill you had when you started recording are obsolete.

i persist in using zshare, despite its drawbacks, because it gives me a "delete code" without having to sign up.

one other thing, here... when you're judging your performance, it helps to expose yourself to ridicule, to get the best out of yourself... so in that sense, you 4um people are guinea pigs, as i run your (imagined?) catcalls in my head.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2011-08-20   0:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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