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Title: SONG SHOP for musical mechanics
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Published: Jan 23, 2010
Author: groundresonance
Post Date: 2010-01-23 10:22:26 by groundresonance
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Comments: 76

post homemade songs here.

post criticism of posted songs.

remix posted songs (if you're equipped to do so and individual tracks are posted). add tracks (bass, drums, harmony, boston symphony, etc) to posted songs (with songwriter's permission). remove and replace tracks on posted songs (with songwriter's permission). start from scratch and redo posted songs (with songwriter's permission).

post your qualifications as a voodoo adept in case of gruesome copyright violations. keep in mind that posting an original song here is proof of its existence at time of posting.

post poems that need music. post music that needs words. post ideas that need words and music. dont be discouraged if nobody seems to be turned on enough to work on your (e)all the above.

for my songs: anything goes, with one request: you post the results.

my native format: wav, 44.1 kHZ, 16 bit. DAW: reaper, will save and work with most formats.

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#1. To: All (#0)

here's "mountain star" on youtube, a thirty-year-old song.

it doesnt sound right after having gone through three or four conversions: to get to youtube, it goes like this: first, you mix the song down from the raw data in your basement, which is isolated enough from the rest of humanity that you wont be hunted down.

okay. you got the home master, then you go to reaper to convert the song to something that windows moviemaker can deal with. reaper colors the sound, and so does windows moviemaker, but you have to go to reaper or something like it to edit, and you have to go to moviemaker to save the song in something that youtube will accept... and youtube colors the song more.

so you wind up with not quite what you started with... if it's a good song, it will survive.

this song is as simple as it gets: two tracks, guitar and vocal isolated from each other, fed into an effects box that stereoizes both tracks, and that's mixed down, balancing vocal and guitar, into a preliminary master that's exported to reaper for EQ, fade in, fade out, and whatever, then on to windows moviemaker and youtube.

commercial songs have dozens of tracks, and they're put together by engineers who've spent a lifetime of tweaking songs.

anyhow, what you get is what you get.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   12:00:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

now then

if anybody wants to work on a song, they'll most likely need the individual tracks... ...which involves a little work for the songwriter, but there's lots of hosts out there, not to mention email attachments.

it would probably be a good thing to keep it all as public as possible, though, seeing as how one of the most distinguishing characteristics of songwriters (other than drunkeness) is paranoia.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:16:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

god knows where the paranoia comes from

wouldnt in a million years have anything to do with the people who run the music business

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:20:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i guess what all this boils down to, is this: whatever else it is, music is a weapon.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   13:31:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

it's too soon to tell if i can still write songs... the only proof we've got that i can still write is "god and ten dollar gas"... how much "proof" is that?

maybe i'm running out of courage... and it's not courage to criticize the authorities that i'm running out of... it's the courage to abuse myself enough to force the songs out.

for instance, i'm coasting now on a moderate hangover, and now it's time to eat or go for beer... i washed the plate and the frying pan, having decided to eat.

if i had any balls, i'd go for more beer.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   21:19:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

there's always the danger of confusing "courage" with "heedlessness"

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   21:30:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

went past the seniors' club, dance on saturday nights.

the place was packed on a night when only the heedless would go out... these people are a few years older than the oldest boomers, and glancing at them as i rode by, they seemed to be happy.

what are they plotting?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-23   22:25:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

about DAWs (digital audio workstations) and recording techniques...

DAWs are software into which you can drag your digital recordings for editing, and if you've got the interface, you can record directly into your computer via the DAW.

DAWs let you drag and drop sections of music... for instance, if you particularly like the way you sang or played one instance of a song's chorus (out of the three or four times the chorus came around in the song), you can drag and drop the best chorus to replace the others.

DAWs are like any other computer thing: they're rigid. you have to play by their rules or you dont play very well... and the first rule is, you have to stay in time throughout the song, because the editing features are based on measures and tempo, and tempo is the number of beats per minute.

for instance, if that chorus you like best occurs at the end of the song, but you've gradually sped up a few beats a minute during the song, you're gonna have a hard time getting your favorite to match up with with the slower tempos earlier in the song.

so you have to record to a click track to keep your tempo constant so you can drag parts and they match the tempo of wherever you drug them to... a click track is easier to keep time with if you replace the "click" sound with real drum sounds.

you can download free DAWs from the internet, and many of the not-so-free DAWs have free trial periods.

my problem, being a newcomer to this DAW business, is that they're capable of doing about a million times more than what i need to do, so they're way complicated... you dont have to use features you dont need, but the inclusion of all those features inevitably complicates things, especially if the feature you need is buried in a thousand pages of features you dont need.

download daw music software "free trial" OR free

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-24   23:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

those happy old codgers at the senior center last night... cant stop thinking about them.

the band is certainly nothing to crow about, creaky old guys (and probably one codgerly lady playing steel guitar, although i went past too fast to check them out very good) playing songs that went out of fashion fifty years ago... and not playing all that well, either, if it's the same band that usually plays there.

now, after that last post about DAWs, i recorded a song and i'm now attempting to find a host for the wav files that you can plug into a DAW editor.

the wav files are big, 20 mb per track, and i'm getting bogged down in finding a host that can accept an upload in less than seven minutes... if you need to upload eight or ten files, one per track, you're looking at a major waste of time uploading files.

what's this got to do with the old folks? ...if you think of music as a weapon, could it be that the commerical music business, controlled by the same people who control the rest of the media, has made music production so complicated that a major weapon of the grassroots is nullified?

could it be that we're gonna eventually have to be content with music that doesnt require millions of dollars worth of equipment to produce, and could it be that these codgers tuned out of commercial music back in the fifties and sixties? ...and so are content with their codgerly music performed by other codgers?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-25   1:47:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

here's a rough mix of "railroad man" on youtube.

the wav files are too big to post, so i'll post some mp3s of individual tracks once they're saved to a host, mostly for the experience, since this version of the song is too haywire to fool with... i think i'd be better off practicing until i got it right, rather than getting bogged down in more machinery.

...if anyone has the tools and inclination to tinker with the song once the mp3s are posted, or even start from scratch, have at it if you think it's worth the effort.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26   0:50:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: All (#10) (Edited)

drums http://kiwi6.com/file?id=rwgg9i4b3x

vocal http://www.plunder.com/vocal-mp3-download-9442629bc9.htm

guitar http://www.plunder.com/guitar-mp3-download-86a8abd793.htm

plunder mp3 of youtube mix http://www.plunder.com/rrman-mp3-download- 6590dedd81.htm cant download without joining

kiwi mp3 of youtube mix http://kiwi6.com/file?id=s528u5mi95 CAN download without joining, but you cant preview track

this seems to be turning into the usual shit sandwich... apparently you can download files from kiwi without joining kiwi, but you cant listen to the track before you download it... on the other hand, you can listen to the tracks on plunder, but you cant download them without joining...

...not to mention that i've been listening to the song while i'm trying to figure all this out, and the chorus on that vocal is driving me nuts... for some reason, converting the file you youtube seems to have exaggerated the chorus

on the other hand, i might be going deaf, to go along with my blindness.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-26 02:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

this is the program I use anytime I need to convert any media files.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-26 02:11:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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