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Published: Jan 23, 2010
Author: groundresonance
Post Date: 2010-01-23 10:22:26 by groundresonance
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post homemade songs here. post criticism of posted songs. remix posted songs (if you're equipped to do so and individual tracks are posted). add tracks (bass, drums, harmony, boston symphony, etc) to posted songs (with songwriter's permission). remove and replace tracks on posted songs (with songwriter's permission). start from scratch and redo posted songs (with songwriter's permission). post your qualifications as a voodoo adept in case of gruesome copyright violations. keep in mind that posting an original song here is proof of its existence at time of posting. post poems that need music. post music that needs words. post ideas that need words and music. dont be discouraged if nobody seems to be turned on enough to work on your (e)all the above. for my songs: anything goes, with one request: you post the results. my native format: wav, 44.1 kHZ, 16 bit. DAW: reaper, will save and work with most formats.
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here's "mountain star" on youtube, a thirty-year-old song. it doesnt sound right after having gone through three or four conversions: to get to youtube, it goes like this: first, you mix the song down from the raw data in your basement, which is isolated enough from the rest of humanity that you wont be hunted down. okay. you got the home master, then you go to reaper to convert the song to something that windows moviemaker can deal with. reaper colors the sound, and so does windows moviemaker, but you have to go to reaper or something like it to edit, and you have to go to moviemaker to save the song in something that youtube will accept... and youtube colors the song more. so you wind up with not quite what you started with... if it's a good song, it will survive. this song is as simple as it gets: two tracks, guitar and vocal isolated from each other, fed into an effects box that stereoizes both tracks, and that's mixed down, balancing vocal and guitar, into a preliminary master that's exported to reaper for EQ, fade in, fade out, and whatever, then on to windows moviemaker and youtube. commercial songs have dozens of tracks, and they're put together by engineers who've spent a lifetime of tweaking songs. anyhow, what you get is what you get.
now then if anybody wants to work on a song, they'll most likely need the individual tracks... ...which involves a little work for the songwriter, but there's lots of hosts out there, not to mention email attachments. it would probably be a good thing to keep it all as public as possible, though, seeing as how one of the most distinguishing characteristics of songwriters (other than drunkeness) is paranoia.
god knows where the paranoia comes from wouldnt in a million years have anything to do with the people who run the music business
i guess what all this boils down to, is this: whatever else it is, music is a weapon.
it's too soon to tell if i can still write songs... the only proof we've got that i can still write is "god and ten dollar gas"... how much "proof" is that? maybe i'm running out of courage... and it's not courage to criticize the authorities that i'm running out of... it's the courage to abuse myself enough to force the songs out. for instance, i'm coasting now on a moderate hangover, and now it's time to eat or go for beer... i washed the plate and the frying pan, having decided to eat. if i had any balls, i'd go for more beer.
there's always the danger of confusing "courage" with "heedlessness"
went past the seniors' club, dance on saturday nights. the place was packed on a night when only the heedless would go out... these people are a few years older than the oldest boomers, and glancing at them as i rode by, they seemed to be happy. what are they plotting?
about DAWs (digital audio workstations) and recording techniques... DAWs are software into which you can drag your digital recordings for editing, and if you've got the interface, you can record directly into your computer via the DAW. DAWs let you drag and drop sections of music... for instance, if you particularly like the way you sang or played one instance of a song's chorus (out of the three or four times the chorus came around in the song), you can drag and drop the best chorus to replace the others. DAWs are like any other computer thing: they're rigid. you have to play by their rules or you dont play very well... and the first rule is, you have to stay in time throughout the song, because the editing features are based on measures and tempo, and tempo is the number of beats per minute. for instance, if that chorus you like best occurs at the end of the song, but you've gradually sped up a few beats a minute during the song, you're gonna have a hard time getting your favorite to match up with with the slower tempos earlier in the song. so you have to record to a click track to keep your tempo constant so you can drag parts and they match the tempo of wherever you drug them to... a click track is easier to keep time with if you replace the "click" sound with real drum sounds. you can download free DAWs from the internet, and many of the not-so-free DAWs have free trial periods. my problem, being a newcomer to this DAW business, is that they're capable of doing about a million times more than what i need to do, so they're way complicated... you dont have to use features you dont need, but the inclusion of all those features inevitably complicates things, especially if the feature you need is buried in a thousand pages of features you dont need.
those happy old codgers at the senior center last night... cant stop thinking about them. the band is certainly nothing to crow about, creaky old guys (and probably one codgerly lady playing steel guitar, although i went past too fast to check them out very good) playing songs that went out of fashion fifty years ago... and not playing all that well, either, if it's the same band that usually plays there. now, after that last post about DAWs, i recorded a song and i'm now attempting to find a host for the wav files that you can plug into a DAW editor. the wav files are big, 20 mb per track, and i'm getting bogged down in finding a host that can accept an upload in less than seven minutes... if you need to upload eight or ten files, one per track, you're looking at a major waste of time uploading files. what's this got to do with the old folks? ...if you think of music as a weapon, could it be that the commerical music business, controlled by the same people who control the rest of the media, has made music production so complicated that a major weapon of the grassroots is nullified? could it be that we're gonna eventually have to be content with music that doesnt require millions of dollars worth of equipment to produce, and could it be that these codgers tuned out of commercial music back in the fifties and sixties? ...and so are content with their codgerly music performed by other codgers?
here's a rough mix of "railroad man" on youtube. the wav files are too big to post, so i'll post some mp3s of individual tracks once they're saved to a host, mostly for the experience, since this version of the song is too haywire to fool with... i think i'd be better off practicing until i got it right, rather than getting bogged down in more machinery. ...if anyone has the tools and inclination to tinker with the song once the mp3s are posted, or even start from scratch, have at it if you think it's worth the effort.
drums http://kiwi6.com/file?id=rwgg9i4b3x vocal http://www.plunder.com/vocal-mp3-download-9442629bc9.htm guitar http://www.plunder.com/guitar-mp3-download-86a8abd793.htm plunder mp3 of youtube mix http://www.plunder.com/rrman-mp3-download- 6590dedd81.htm cant download without joining kiwi mp3 of youtube mix http://kiwi6.com/file?id=s528u5mi95 CAN download without joining, but you cant preview track this seems to be turning into the usual shit sandwich... apparently you can download files from kiwi without joining kiwi, but you cant listen to the track before you download it... on the other hand, you can listen to the tracks on plunder, but you cant download them without joining... ...not to mention that i've been listening to the song while i'm trying to figure all this out, and the chorus on that vocal is driving me nuts... for some reason, converting the file you youtube seems to have exaggerated the chorus on the other hand, i might be going deaf, to go along with my blindness.
this is the program I use anytime I need to convert any media files.
thank you... i'll try it.
the default settings work but can be tweaked to meet your needs I shoot video of our CNC operations and use it to strip off the extremely loud audio a couple other programs I use are video edit master which is also free I use it to cut and splice video I shoot of CNC operations when someone steps into the shot for whatever reason. and muvee (free to try bucks to buy) though I do have an older light version of muvee that came with a video camera I bought a couple years back. that program I use to add sound tracks and it also has various styles it can apply to ones production
i had to google "CNC operations"... man, i've always been curious about that stuff... it's got to be one of those things that nobody thinks about, but is probably one of the most important functions of computers. thank you for the movie editors... there's no doubt i'll be a star once i start filming myself biting chunks of meat out of my forearms in frustration with this music machinery.
we do highly custom woodwork, along with plastic and non-ferrous metal milling/cutting operations. the machine we use is the KOMO Mach Xtreme 512
Z Axis up to 1200ipm (30,480mm/min) Repeatability +/-0.0004" (0.01mm) Unidirectional Repeatability that's unbelievable
we do it every day. and it sure beats the way we used to do it with saber saws and 3hp routers and a veritable plethora of jigs/fixtures.
yeah, i've done a little fabricating... wound up making tools to make tools to make tools, etc.
back when the CNC was just a dream for the shop one of the guys (there are only three of us) said "man we'll really be able to make some nice jigs with it" that was good for a chuckle.
seems like this CNC stuff is one of the things that will have to survive TS hitting TF... provided that the CNC machines themselves can be maintained.
the key crippler will be the power our service requirements is 440 3 phase in excess of 1200 amps if we lose just one leg of the service may as well turn out the lights. we could still run with the dust collection system down but lose either the air compressor or the vacuum pump and even if we wanted we could not operate as the CNC requires both for anything to happen when one pushes the cycle start button. in fact without air the machine won't even boot up.
so, from the electricity supply standpoint, if you lived in phoenix, how many acres of solar panels would it take to run one of those machines? ...if you lived in the northwest, how many acre feet per minute of hydro would it take to run the machines? are the machines capable of fabricating their own replacement parts? what about the digital stuff? how durable and vulnerable is that?
if i showed up at your shop with a hand-drawn diagram of what i need, could you make it? how many watermelons would you charge me to make a new derailleur for my bike?
yes, just a matter of rendering it in autocad then process it through routercim. price is going to depend on the run time which routercim will estimate, I believe the current rate is $250.00 an hour, I don't get too mixed up in the accounting, I keep busy enough as the electrician, plumber, network administrator and turning G code into completed products. what I do know about the pricing is that the more of an item one wants the unit price decreases. we don't bid a lot of jobs of onesees twosees when we do they are up there, mainly to cover the time spent on the drawing.
so if TSHTF, this technology is probably gonna be supported by the military government, and everyday people are not gonna be able to afford it. if that's the case, CNC operators wont have to worry about interruptions to power supply or replacement parts.
we don't do a lot of government gigs and most if not all of those are actually requests from subcontractors. though awhile back we did some lexan radiation shields for NASA, glue those pigs up was fun due to the arc we had to make an assembly jig.
back to the goodle days apropos of nothing... cold on the shoulder
back in the goodle days (i'm talking about the old goodle days) the signal-to-noise ratio was pretty high... the sounds you heard were pretty much reality, except for the human blowhards that probably have existed from the day humans first invented language... other than that blowhard noise, the signal was pretty clear: if you heard a lion roaring, that meant there was a lion in the neighborhood. now we've got professional blowhards who are paid to degrade the signal-to- noise ratio for political and religious reasons, and we've got people with nothing better to do than add their noise to an already cluttered soundscape, just for something to do... ...so it's hard, anymore, to tell exactly what the truth is... because you got to separate out the most likely truth from the bullshit peddled by the professional liars... ...and the search for truth is made more difficult by the sheer volume of noise that's generated by people who have nothing to do but shoot their mouths off.
digital methods of recording improved the signal-to-noise ratio... now, there's no static at all due to the recording, so the liars and motormouths can record their lies and bullshit with no degradation of the technical signal-to-noise ratio whatsoever. good deal.
now then... here's my theory about how i came to be so particular about the signal-to-noise ratio... i grew up in the country... so far out in the country that, when television finally arrived in our living room, i couldnt tolerate it... i was used to being alone, a hunter and a fisherman, listening to and watching reality. then i grew up, went to college, and, desperate to escape the unreality of college, joined the military to go to flight school... and although there's a certain amount of luck involved in my surviving 35 years of flying, there remains one fact: you had to tell yourself the truth about the conditions and your capabilities or you died. in other words, the signal-to-noise ratio in your brain will have to be pretty high if you're gonna survive as a helicopter pilot. so i've been conditioned, since childhood, to pay attention to the signal-to- noise ratio.
it's just too goddamned bad, i guess, that humans are compulsive noisemakers.
last laugh daddylonglegs climbin' up my wall you keep on starin' makin' believe is just fine with me you keep on starin' changes come, chains go you keep on starin' daddylonglegs climbin' up my wall
the omelette song (1981 or 1982) the kids grew up i didnt know what to say grandkids everyday i dont know what to do there must be one hell of an omelette there's got to be one hell of an omelette there better be one hell of an omelette
god and ten dollar gas from the ramshackle women album
back again, huh?
From Don D's wall post concerning budget initiatives: "... and we must rebuild our infrastructure, especially the roads and bridges. The American people are gonna need a place to live under...and jump off of."
i musta left a clue someplace.
once you've figured out the music production machinery (like your DAW and the hardware interface) and you've got (what you think is) a presentable product, you have to find a place to put it on the web. that's trial and (mostly) error. supload seems to work best. zshare sometimes puts uncontrollable commercials on top of the music. nobody will be worth a shit in the long run, as economic pressures overtake decency.
more songs from ramshackle women, late 70s, with minor word changes... about these songs... the idea of "she wants a dad" is unfair, but i cant figure out exactly why. "you already got a guy" is haywire technically, and it's a measure of human capacity for self-deception that i listened to it for three or four days, thinking it was wonderful (relatively). the problem is... when you're learning how to play the guitar and run the machinery, and you record a few songs in a batch, by the time you've recorded those songs, the knowledge and skill you had when you started recording are obsolete. i persist in using zshare, despite its drawbacks, because it gives me a "delete code" without having to sign up. one other thing, here... when you're judging your performance, it helps to expose yourself to ridicule, to get the best out of yourself... so in that sense, you 4um people are guinea pigs, as i run your (imagined?) catcalls in my head.
somebody had thrust "dune" on me, and i finally read the son-of-a-bitch. that probably got me to thinking about female-centric human breeding programs. mama's boys and drama queens
john and diane together again i've been working on this idea for a couple weeks, and this is the first complete version, the first vocal that didnt have unacceptable or unfixable error... and it's the first mix... it hasnt cooled off since i recorded it, so there's about a 99% chance that it needs a lot more work, but i just cant hear what needs to be done, yet... it will take another week or so to come up with the final mix... not to mention word changes and guitar haywireness i cant hear yet. this is your chance to make suggestions for word changes, because it's likely this vocal isnt gonna survive, regardless. anyhow, you gotta wonder about people who know what they're doing, people with "good ears"... how long does it take them to mix an album, i wonder. this has not been played through anything but sony MDR-G45 headphones... $15 headphones that sound best (of the four or five sets of trashy headphones i have) when i listen to music on the internet... once the song has cooled off, i'll listen to it through different earphones and my speakers, which are tinny little computer speakers, but it's a lost cause... there doesnt seem to be any standard frequency response to any of this machinery, so you wind up making compormises. not to mention general inexperience and ineptitude.
i'm running up against my limitations, here. the most serious limitation seems to be lack of musical imagination... there doesnt seem to be any lack of philosophical imagination, since i've just written a song about family love when it becomes more obvious every day that the only thing that matters is "might makes right". so, here's the six-pack mix of "john and diane"... because the only rational reason for writing a song is that mixing requires altering your state of consciousness... which involves beer. in the good old days, it involved lots of marijauana, too.... so much that you'd forget what the song sounded like in the time it took to walk across the room, rewind, and hit the "play" button... so every play was like hearing it for the first time. the good old days. . there. you rotarians feel better now? i got to admit that "might gonna come unglued" line worries me.
the night bobby died "toad" was el toro marine pilot slang for woman in the 60s... dont ask me why... the sandpiper was a marine pilot hangout. this is the second version of this song at this post... i thought i sang one thing, but apparently i sang something else, and didnt notice... yes, with this software you can correct yourself, one word at a time. the implications, if you're an expert at synching audio with video, are this song's got about a million edits and punch ins... it's the same old deal... maybe i'll redo it once i learn it... doubtful.
it's billy cryin' part of the fun of listening to a song is trying to figure out what it's about... but i'm gonna say that this song is about girls with a baby. i was reminded of this song by a chris rea song that somebody posted on theoildrum... "road to hell" ... lots of the same chords, and i played billy crying at the same tempo, wanting to get that same groove... never happen. songs have minds of their own... you can have a very specific idea, and work for days on tht idea, but the goddamn song goes off on its own... you cant reason with it. same with the music... i can understand myself being too hamhanded and limited to play like that chris rea band, but you'd think i coulda come closer.
austin city limits unfinished this is a collection of words and music that kept pestering me... the problem seems to be that most of the words are nonsense... placeholders. i can use the music somewhere else, but maybe there's not enough direction to the words to finish the song... this happens a lot, at least to me... you have to abandon an idea that doesnt go anywhere. you got to wonder, though, about the "austin city limits" line... i may be getting childish in my old age... infantile ego creeping out of the woodwork. writing songs is cheaper than a shrink
there's always the possibility that the "austin city limits" line has nothing to do with me... maybe that's the biggest ego trap of all, songwriters misunderstanding their own songs. songwriters dont seem to know where the songs come from, and they dont really know what the songs mean... the perfect song is so ambiguous that everybody thinks it's about them. so, maybe the limits to the city of austin have something to do with alex jones' limits... and this forum's limits, and th limits of beliefs expressed on this forum. who knows? i am not obliged to stew over it.
Thanks for that very random information.
if you understand musical people, then you'll know that just about anything, including words, including bad words, will serve as an excuse to play a lick you've just learned... play it over and over and over again... because it pleases you. so that's one explanation of where songs come from, especially songs like this that dont seem to make much sense. nobody knows... take dougie mcclean's caledonia... you got to listen to it a million times to figure out the structure, but it grabs you the first time you hear it. but the words of caledonia... if you're a scot... as far as i can tell, i'm not much of a scot, but the words..
so i'm not a scot, but i feel the same way about a little valley in southern oregon. you got to wonder what would happen if dougie's song was about palestine rather than caledonia.
pat obrien's patio i'm gonna abandon attempts to mix to lady gaga standards. if you own closed back, bass-heavy, muddy sounding earphones, that's your choice.
it's gettin' to be the underdog
sometimes i worry bout your appetite
this is a test of zshare... the zshare links above have gone 404, but for the time being, this link to "gotta have the gear" is working. i got to say that i've been wondering how to justify re-recording and re- posting the earlier songs... now i have an excuse.
sometimes i worry bout your appetite
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dont think you're gonna get down
thinking about earphones... my mainstays are those cheap sonys mdr-g45 and not-so-cheap akg k240 mkII... back in the day, the only thing i used were the original akg 240 m... the cleanest sound i'd ever heard... but this new version seems muddy compared to the sonys. now i'm wondering if sony is catering to the boomers (the biggest generational market ever), who are getting to an age where their high freqs might be going away. i'm suspicious of my own hearing, after being strapped to noisy machinery for thousands of hours and listening to music at high volume for more thousands of hours... those little high freq cilia, once they're bent, dont come back... not to mention my age. who knows? but sony never misses a trick. so, it could be that i can try and try and try to reconcile the sound of the two earphones by jiggering the eq in reaper, but maybe it's a lost cause.
about playing keyboard bass... there's a feature in reaper that allows you to separate, then quantize individual noises if they are isolated from other noises... for instance, drum beats or bass notes... then you can quantize those noises, which means you can align them precisely to the beat... this works okay if your original timing is accurate enough ... for instance, if you play notes that fall within the right quantize window, the note aligns properly, but if you play a note that falls outside proper window, the note aligns to the previous or succeeding beat instead of the right beat... well, that's just a matter of practice... but quantizing the note to the "right place" screws up the groove and wrecks the feel of the music... it gives the music a mechanical feeling. or you can slow the song down enough that you're able to keep up, which is okay for learning the part, but results in not-quite-right bass parts. there's no substitute for playing the part live, which means that there's no subsitute for practicing. the practicing is coming along okay, but it requires lots of naps while my brain rewires itself... and while my playing sounds okay, the bass lines are primitive... i'm hoping i'll eventually be able to play well enough to play more complicated bass lines.
since it really doesnt matter one way or another, i do what i feel like doing. for the last little while, i have NOT felt like playing or singing or recording, which bothered me a little... it bothered me at least to the point that i tried to figure out what i was supposed to be doing.... "supposed", according to whom, nobody knows. anyhow, to fill up the flat spot, i've decided to go the next level with the keyboard, which is a technical thing that has nothing to do with making music... it's a matter of learning enough and getting the equipment, in this case a $5 cable that hooks the keyboard directly to the computer... a MIDI to USB, cable. so... is this an instance of getting bogged down in the machinery to the detriment of the music? ...maybe not, because before, when i had no machinery at all except a guitar, i'd hit these flat spots. sometimes boredom forces you to the guitar, even if you dont feel like playing, and sometimes, if the bordom gets desperate enough, a song comes out. i got to admit i'm getting sick and tired of playing these same old songs as i'm learning how to run the equipment and the software.
there's one other little thing, here... the philosophy of making music it would be nice if my music would move people or give them goosebumps... maybe i'll get there... and when i look at the alternatives... maybe i could have been a doctor or a lawyer or... looks to me, from this stock-taking time of my life, all those respectable jobs have got us into a shit sandwich. goosebumps, on the other hand... if you're really good, though, you got to be careful about playing in public... some people get funny ideas about performers that turn them on.
for instance, you got to wonder why paul simon wrote this song. somebody got the negative of paul simon and a donkey? ...nobody ever accused the music business of lacking a sense of humor about itself. you got to wonder why he participated in this farce when his israeli buddies were making palestinians homeless. is that how the music business works? probably is that how america works? ...probably
i'd been laying under the truck with a wrench turning the crank till the starter would catch, so i was not looking my best when i asked the A&R guy, "do you guys need to be turned on personally by the music... or how does that work?" everybody at the LA songwriters' showcase looked at me like i had no clothes on... apparently, personal turnedonedness was not a factor in marketing, and the only thing those people at the LASS wanted was to get some big marketing agency behind them random honk jobs and casting couch interviews were an accepted fact of life... so if you couldnt sing for shit, the technology might save you if you polished the right guys' knob. if the music and art of a people reflect the health of a people... how healthy are we?
lady gaga's bad romance.... almost half a billion hits justin bieber's... whatever... 743,525,223 hits as of this posting who runs this dismal fucking outfit?
what if we're all so sick we dont know we're sick?
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Feedrate/Traverse Rates X Axis up to 3150ipm (80,000mm/min) Y Axis up to 2300ipm (58,240mm/min)
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The G-codes are the codes that position the tool and do the actual work, as opposed to M-codes, that manages the machine; T for tool-related codes. S and F are tool-Speed and tool-Feed, and finally D-codes for tool compensation.
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...was fun due to the arc we had to make an assembly jig.
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sometimes he stumbles but he never falls
it's true
it's you
fat ol' cat sittin' on my fence
sometimes she sins but she always makes sense
it's true
it's you
off the back of the jacket of your book
but you better get ready for the third degree
it's true
it's true
what you're seein' is what you'll get
what you believe in is what you'll bet
it's true
it's up to you
off the back of the jacket of your book
aint it a shame but the angels know
it's true
it's true
free lunch in a hurry if you wanta bite
sometimes i worry bout your appetite
i do
i do
off the back of the jacket of your book
sometimes she stumbles but she never stalls
it's true
it's you
skinny ol' cat sitting on my fence
sometimes he sins, says it's self defense
it's you
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then they moved away
and got divorced
they called me up
again on christmas day
their laughter's forced
it dont really matter anyway
i guess
but they were supposed to be the best
i wonder
do they need a hug
i never see'em
they're so far away
i send'em junk
have i lived too long
to see'em through
this mess
but i
never thought i was the best
cookin up around here
somewhere
cookin up around here
somewhere
cookin up around here
somewhere
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she wants a dad
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the key crippler will be the power our service requirements is 440 3 phase in excess of 1200 amps if we lose just one leg of the service may as well turn out the lights. we could still run with the dust collection system down but lose either the air compressor or the vacuum pump and even if we wanted we could not operate as the CNC requires both for anything to happen when one pushes the cycle start button. in fact without air the machine won't even boot up.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
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this link to "gotta have the gear" is working.
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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
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