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Title: Why 'The Greatest Generation'?
Source: str
URL Source: http://www.strike-the-root.com/node/25930
Published: Jan 24, 2010
Author: Robert L. Johnson
Post Date: 2010-01-24 20:57:55 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 408
Comments: 31

Why 'The Greatest Generation'?

Column by Robert L. Johnson, posted on January 12, 2010

Tom Brokaw coined the phrase “the Greatest Generation” for those Americans who lived through the Great Depression of the 1930s and who went on to fight, kill and die in World War II. You have to ask yourself why a key spokesman for the established government-friendly (to say the least) mainstream media would hold these Americans in such high regard.

Since Brokaw is a solid part of the establishment, he and others like him have a deeply vested interest in maintaining the status quo, just as the government does. As America and the world continue to sink into what some people are calling the beginnings of the Greatest Depression, what better example to hold up for people to follow than a generation who suffered severe poverty and lack of food, clothing, medicine and shelter in silence during the last major economic upheaval in the 1930s, and who then blindly believed and obeyed the government by unquestioningly marching off to an unnecessary war in 1941?

The average American does seem to be too naïve, especially in the 1930s. For example, when World War I veterans were suffering with their families in 1932 due to the economic depression, they formed a virtual army of 17,000 veterans and approximately 26,000 of their family members, the Bonus Army. Their purpose was to petition Congress and President Hoover to allow them early redemption of their Service Certificates they received for their service to the government in “the war to end all wars,” WW I. They were encouraged in their purpose by retired U.S.M.C. General Smedley Butler, who is the author of the eye-opening book, War Is a Racket.

The veterans set up a camp near Congress. However, Hoover ordered the police to clear the veterans and their impoverished families from their camps. The veterans resisted and several of them were gunned down by the police, but the veterans and their camps remained. The next day Hoover ordered the U.S. Army under General MacArthur to clear the American veterans from Washington, D.C. When the veterans saw the U.S. troops, they started to cheer, thinking they were there to honor them! However, they were deadly wrong. The troops attacked the veterans and their families, killing some and evicting all of them. After this display of brutal armed force and violence by the government, there was not much serious resistance to it.

Instead of suffering in silence as “the Greatest Generation” did, they should have “abolished” the government as called for by the Declaration of Independence. If they had done that, there could have been a community free of the misery that was the Great Depression, and World War II may never have happened.

Today, as we find ourselves in similar circumstances with the first stages of the Greatest Depression and the government starting wars halfway around the world, we need to ask ourselves what, if anything, are we are going to do. Are we going to follow the example of our parents and grandparents, of “the Greatest Generation” and suffer along with our loved ones in humiliating silence? Will young people look to serving the government’s war machine as a way out of unemployment and poverty, thus strengthening the cause of our problems, just as “the Greatest Generation” did? Will soldiers and Marines follow the soulless and disgusting example of their predecessors who attacked and fired on the helpless military veterans and their families of the Bonus Army? We have a lot of very important questions that must be answered sooner than we think.

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#1. To: christine, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Lod, abraxas (#0)

As America and the world continue to sink into what some people are calling the beginnings of the Greatest Depression, what better example to hold up for people to follow than a generation who suffered severe poverty and lack of food, clothing, medicine and shelter in silence during the last major economic upheaval in the 1930s, and who then blindly believed and obeyed the government by unquestioningly marching off to an unnecessary war in 1941?

Been down this road before...

The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history, ping!

BTW, did'ja hear USAma bin Laden is back and threatening to wipe the US & Israel off the face of the map? News broke today, I'm surprised nobody posted that pantload.

Hellthcare tanking
Crap & Trade scam exposed
Piggy flu fizzled
Oil below $75
$20 billion pissed away in Haiti, so far...

...and Usama bin Laden is resurrected once again.

How convienient.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-24   21:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Esso (#1)

BTW, did'ja hear USAma bin Laden is back and threatening to wipe the US & Israel off the face of the map?

i missed it.

Hellthcare tanking Crap & Trade scam exposed Piggy flu fizzled Oil below $75 $20 billion pissed away in Haiti, so far...

...and Usama bin Laden is resurrected once again.

How convienient.

yes. do people still fall for it? if they do, i believe the number is far, far less than it used to be.

christine  posted on  2010-01-24   21:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Esso (#1)

BTW, did'ja hear USAma bin Laden is back and threatening to wipe the US & Israel off the face of the map? News broke today, I'm surprised nobody posted that pantload.

Yeah, I heard that one. USAama has more lives than a cat and he's much more convenient to herd into the MSM fluff zone when a diversion is needed.

I opted not to post the pantload because it's such a pantload. lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-24   21:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#2)

Usama bin Laden takes credit for Detroit Peenee Bomber bringing America to its knees once again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35042867/ns/wo rld_news-mideastn_africa/

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-24   21:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#0)

Will young people look to serving the government’s war machine as a way out of unemployment and poverty, thus strengthening the cause of our problems, just as “the Greatest Generation” did?

There was this odd legislation of a peacetime DRAFT that "encouraged" us to serve the government.

Another factor ignored by the author, most of us were of the lowest class, had very little before the depression, so there was not far for us to fall.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   22:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Esso (#1)

What is he? About 90 now? Will he still be sending messages from the grave, I mean cave, when he's 100?


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-01-24   22:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Esso (#4)

I hope he/it/they do attack multiple cities with thermonuclear weapons. We need a culling.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-24   22:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, All (#7)

I hope he/it/they do attack multiple cities with thermonuclear weapons. We need a culling.

Jethro, I was once a part of such when younger, now being very olde, I would decline helping to kill millions.

That is why killing is left to the young by the evil olde.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   22:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#5)

Another factor ignored by the author, most of us were of the lowest class, had very little before the depression, so there was not far for us to fall.

That's a good point, Cyni. But, what about all the excess of the 1920's? Many people were playing in the stock market for the first time, hanging out in Speak Easy's and dressing in fancy attire.......at least in the big cities. Then, like now, there was a push of easy credit to lure in the "lower class" to keep those bankers fat and happy.

I see many parallels. Of course, this generation has no idea how to even sew a button on a shirt, let alone darn a sock or grow any food.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-24   22:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: abraxas (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: abraxas (#9)

But, what about all the excess of the 1920's?

That was by the few, the MANY was the unwashed masses.

Poverty at the time was described in one word, "HUNGER". If you have never known endless, grinding poverty, no one can describe it for you.

It did not bring out the best in Americans, the haves as a social unit shared nothing, that is why the roots of socialism found fertile ground with Roosevelt.

People often say what they would do etc etc, or they would not be found in such a situation, however reality is a stern task master and when hunger walks beside you year after year, you learn, and learn well about mankind.

Stealing, taking by force etc was never an option, never thought of, never done, you tightened your belt (if you had one) and kept slogging along.

That is why it was the greatest generation in my eyes, we did not take up arms, burn cities, rob, pillage and loot, we did not.

You know what will happen here, soon, when people go hungry, you know.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   22:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

When the S hits the fan, I don't think that most would consider their families living in their communities off limits in the least.

how sad is that. i suppose our only hope is that we outnumber them. i'm thinking of the rise in guns and ammo purchases too.

christine  posted on  2010-01-24   22:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Critter (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   22:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

But as you say, IMO that will be limited to the inner metro areas for the most part. You know the drill.

There are some huge differences now vs the 1930s.

Now there is mobility even for the masses, something we did not have. Two, the PC and civil rights forces have emboldened the minorities to take what they want, encouraged it.

Take New York city for instance. At any one time there is at the maximum eleven days of food supplies on hand. Stop inbound shipments and you have nine million people en masse leaving the city west bound, foraging as they go like locusts.

That is just one city.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   22:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#11)

You know what will happen here, soon, when people go hungry, you know

It's scary to think about with all these idiots calling 911 or destroying property at McDonald's simply because they didn't get the dollar menu item to their satisfaction.

I do believe that the citizens of this nation should have taken up arms when the Fed Res was crammed down their throats in such a sneaky back handed manner. And over the income tax too........if ever there was a time to take up arms and stop tyranny, I really think these were PRIME opportunities. Our nation would likely look a lot differnt had the line in the sand been drawn at that time.

There certainly was a much higher moral ground then than at the bottom of this slide into amoraldom that we have been on for decades in this nation. It's not going to be pretty, Cyni.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-24   22:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#13)

Kinda hard to run a tyranny w/o them.

lol......I've noticed that too.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-24   22:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   23:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#19)

I do believe that the citizens of this nation should have taken up arms when the Fed Res was crammed down their throats in such a sneaky back handed manner.

You are thinking correctly but forgetting, the huge majority had scant education.

A sixth grade education was the NORM, for the lower classes. At age 12 one was expected to start working. Plus there was NO instant communication, news was always days or weeks old before it reached the hinterland.

Twelve hour work days, six days a week was standard. There was the elite, a tiny middle class, and the rest of us at the bottom, does that sound like what may happen again????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   23:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-24   23:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

Few will leave.

Not to worry, our government will do that for us.

Several years ago I attended a planning forum where they were discussing the "possible" evacuation of New york City in case of a national crisis.

The county where I live was to receive 100,000 inner city "victims" as our share.

Our county population is about 50,000. The question was raised of course as to how the "victims" were to be housed and fed. The answer was, "that would be left for local government to decide".

There are many scenarios possible, none bode well for anyone.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-24   23:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#22)

A sixth grade education was the NORM, for the lower classes. At age 12 one was expected to start working. Plus there was NO instant communication, news was always days or weeks old before it reached the hinterland.

does that sound like what may happen again????

A sixth grade education then was probably equivalent to graduating high school today.........

That's what it sounds like to me, Cyni. IMHO, we are already in the thick of it.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-24   23:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#24)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-25   0:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-25   0:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

Again, it's a logistical impossibility.

Contingency planning by the government would shock you.

It is not all bad nor all impossible.

You recall the Ollie North hearing and the question Congressman Brooks posed????

Just the tip of the contingency iceberg.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-25   1:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#28)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-25   7:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: abraxas (#0)

Why 'The Greatest Generation'?

The only thing "great" about that generation is their capacity for stealing other people's money to meet their wants. They are indeed the greatest generation...the greatest parasite generation.

However, that was not enough for them. They also taught their children that they did not have to work hard because the government "owed" them.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-25   8:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#30)

The only thing "great" about that generation...

i dont think you should be so hard on those people... they really didnt have much of a chance... their parents were demoralized by the first world war, then the depression...

then the "greatest generation" comes along in time to be demoralized by the "great depression" and world war II... they come home from world war II and breed like rabbits for a few years, spawning the boomers, but really, how seriously could they have taken america, given their backgrounds?

i look back at my parents, who were sort of classic "greatest generation" folks ---my dad was dodging ME109s in the african desert when i was born--- i look at how hard they worked despite the fact they had to have had serious misgivings about the whole system...

and as i was growing up, it must have been becoming more and more obvious to them that the system was a crock ---as the environment was being degraded, not only the physical environment but the cultural and business environment, too...

i have to think that they did what most people do... they did the best they could, even though their hearts werent really in it.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-25   8:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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