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Title: Alex Jones disrupts 2nd Amendment rally, divides protest
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw
Published: Jan 25, 2010
Author: WACAustin
Post Date: 2010-01-27 09:58:48 by randge
Keywords: Alex Jones, guns shows, protest, Austin
Views: 4413
Comments: 390
Alex Jones Exposes... Alex Jones! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw Alex Jones Turns Peaceful Gun Rights Demonstration Into CHAOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJ4zhiB2s4 You Gotta Hard On for Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWM17wiHhww Poster Comment: I won't tax you with a lot of blabber & half-baked opinion. You all here are big folks and know the meaning of what you see. Patience with the second video. There is a lot of lens time on the pavement, but it bears watching all the way through. Most interested in your comments.
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#116. To: Lod (#115)
Keep watch and you will see the shadow of the Grim Reaper, measuring up the 9 olde Poops.
Yeah, I didn't reup a while ago, and I don't think I will in future. Have been listening to the audio when I get free in the middle of the day. Heard this the other day: "From him who is given great wisdom, (referring to himself) great things are expected." Thought that was a bit rich. When I think of a wise man, I see a man with humility who practices generosity. I saw neither quality on display at the gun show rally. We'll be looking for other sources of alternative audio/video. This would be a good subject for a thread I hope is at least as long as this one. Thanks for all your thoughts today, mates.
me too.
It's difficult for me to imagine WTF was he thinking when he pulled this stunt? Totally juvenile, asinine, and completely uncalled for.
Lod, it was intentional and it destroyed him and left many adrift and disillusioned. All I can come up with is that his goal was to fracture us. The question is who got to him.
He spoke directly twice to my recall about his possible "assassination", rather graphically. Myself, I bought none of that.
Perhaps that group is not controlled and is considered to be a peoples movement??? THE NWO cannot allow an honest group to become successful.
Frankly, I haven't listened to him in a few months. I felt something like this coming.
These videos must give people who have defended Jones pause. It's a kick in the teeth, really. Picture speak a thousand words. Video reveals worlds. I haven't listened to Alex consistently in over three years. I just don't have the time anymore. But this does it for me. Especially the third video where the lady keeps telling him how much she was motivated by him and you can hear and feel her heart being broken as she tells Alex what he's doing/become. His responses are that he doesn't care and that she's hard for him. Wow. Just wow. Is a fraud or an imposter? Who knows. But it is fairly obvious he has a god complex and he's convinced he is the all holy and infallible prophet of the patriot movement. That makes him unpredictable and very dangerous.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
i think he did it for a photo op for local news covering it and to have some footage to include in his next documentary. why else did he wear a suit and tie and have caked on makeup? i still don't believe that he's a government op. i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter.
I am leaning this way as well.
He would have done better to leave himself at the office. He did a good service by exposing the gun show issue a few days earlier, ie: how the BATF and local police are shutting them down. But he needs to show respect for other groups and people. It's going to his head now. Hanging around his adoring male crew isn't doing anything for his public relations.
Either way, would it make him any less dangerous? One way he's an unstable character who would think nothing of stabbing those who trust him in the back if it were to his advantage, and the other way he's delberately sabotaging the patriot movement. Not much of a difference really.
Thing is though christine, what about his outright lies concerning the event on his radio show?
Thing is though christine, what about his outright lies concerning the event on his radio show? That could be because of his huge ego problem. Alex does not want anyone else entrenching on his territory.
Well, anyone can have a bad day. Alex certainly bogarded the event. He definitely didn't think much of the gal that was admonishing him. It didn't help him to act rudely and I wish he hadn't. He's a victim of his own success if he feels that the growing resistance movement is encroaching upon him. He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology. This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
It's like he's an agent provocateur. WWF style. Something's really fishy about that. He's certainly not being honest.
Disruptor. Kinda stupid too in a sociopathic way. A megalomaniac.
Ya know, I had a thought that he may be really frustrated. He's being threatened by Glenn Beck's promise to do a bunch of documentaries and Beck has a larger audience in the mainstream. Beck is truly a right gate keeper, he badmouths truthers and birthers to the extent of accusing them of being a threat to the president and others. Beck gives frustrated conservatives a place to vent and socialize. He's teamed up with Bill Is'Raeli to do some kind of comedy tour that will reach millions ... and Alex Jones may fear for his future and country. Knowing that Beck is a shill has to get Jones' goat especially when success looks so easy for Beck. Jones has been hacking his way into the public eye the hard way for 15 years and all of a sudden BECK shows up center stage, getting paid million$$$, over funded, and threatening to do a bunch of documentaries too. Maybe Alex just had a rude awakening thinking about how easily Beck could destroy everything he (Alex) has done so far, and do it without the obnoxious rudeness that Jones doesn't appear able to shake. This would be sad too because in spite of himself Alex does bring certain things into focus that neither Beck nor any other MSM pundit will even discuss. If Jones isn't intentionally self destructing so he can leave the country before the shit hits the fan, then he should apologize to those loyal local supporters on his program and grow the fuck up. His actions were immature and uncalled for.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Alex sees himself as the experienced frontline warrior and the lady as a raw recruit. I also think Alex sees the movement being co-opted by others that could relegate him to the dust bin of history. I too think he was there to get footage for his next flick. He was somewhat gracious afterwards, thanking everyone for attending ... (like it was his event) ... all resistance to the current governments throughout the nation is good and this is no time to cause animosity within it. Alex owes the planners of the event a big fat apology. If he can't do that he will fail because of his own ego.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
If he's trying to further his career, he's going about it the wrong way, that's for sure. It's hard for me to put a finger on what' up with this guy. For a moment there, he reminded me of one of those WWF wrestlers shittalking up a storm. Like a braying donkey or someone banging cymbals. I'm not sure what his motive is sometimes, but know what his message results in much of the time... fear. So, I don't know, I don't like to draw hasty conclusions. I found the video to be somewhat shockingly surreal.
Maybe it's just that simple and he's just that shallow. A stupid megalomaniac. You're insightful. I hope you're wrong about the shit hitting the fan though. I have a feeling the future will be miserably boring. Like it's always been. ;-)
It has taken a long time for a lotta people to see through this ahole.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny. Alex Jones is quite obviously not interested in resisting tyranny. He's interested in feeding his ego and his bank account. I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony. You still take him seriously after this? Sheesh, what will it take to, uh what's that phrase... oh yeah, "wake you up" to the "truth" about Alex Jones?
Now is the perfect time to "fragment the resistance to tyranny." A unified resistance can be destroyed anytime they want to destroy it. The more fragmentation, the harder is for them to control us. Why do you think that "lone wolves" scare them so badly? We are unified, but only in purpose, not behind a leader that is either a traitor, and/or a ego maniacal sociopath, and/or just an asshole. It doesn't matter what he is, it's not good. I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony. I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
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Pretty rich--in the first five minutes he was talking about Glenn Beck "selling us out." I wonder what he would call someone who sabotaged a rally he was sponsoring.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bingo. But where are the Washingtons, Madisons, Jeffersons .........? Nothing on the horizon but greedy plutocrats, and/or power hungering pols ... no clear headed men of integrity. My God, look, if you can stand it, at our last four presidents.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
I realize that accepting the truth about Alex Jones is very hard for people who put their trust in him. What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
Out here. It's a big country. It could be some dirt poor farmer or a janitor or some other honorable but low paying job. Who knows?
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Well, if you had told me when I first started to check these conspiracy things out, I would not have believed you either. Although I would have kept it in the back of my mind for later. That was a rather hectic period in my life. I don't know. I think they see it, like I started to see it. I think they have an emotional investment in him and a weird sense of personal loyalty and that keeps them from taking it to the next level. Or maybe I'm completely off base. I don't know.
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Sounds like his mind is gone and ain't comin' back. I am referring to what he said about when he was in Waco and looking toward some parking garage with a cop/sniper, 100 yards away (or so he said) and even though by his own admission there were several hundred people there, this cop had his weapon "trained on me." I call bs on that. How would anyone know from a 100 yards who a cop had sighted in when there is a crowd of people?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Or maybe I'm completely off base. I don't know. The faith people have placed in Alex Jones is no different than the faith people place in phony televangelists. Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world.
That is cold! Funny, and true, and definitely sigline material, but cold!
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What he did at that demonstration was bad enough, but worse, to fantasize the next day on his show that he didn't disrupt the event, but rather it was the organizers who are to blame is unexplainable. I was never his biggest supporter, especially of late, but his actions are those of a sick man. A 24x7x365 diet of this material can blow the circuits of anyone. If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
One way he's an unstable character who would think nothing of stabbing those who trust him in the back if it were to his advantage, and the other way he's delberately sabotaging the patriot movement. Not much of a difference really. i agree.
A tough task, but look at everyone of'em since Jack Kennedy if you want to get really sick.
This rally was actually organized by John Bush and Texans For Accountable Government. (www.tagtexas.org). Here's their press release: tagtexas.org/?p=131, and here's their media page with some videos of mainstream media covering the event: tagtexas.org/?page_id=82
I've always been agnostic on the subject of Alex Jones, for whatever reason I've never become a fan of talk radio. I've held my tongue until now because I know most posters here are both more sincere and thorough than I've ever been, for what it's worth. Keep up the faith though and all that, maybe I'll adopt some kierkegard in my tagline or something
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. i had to look Kiekergaard: One of Kierkegaard's recurrent themes is the importance of subjectivity, which has to do with the way people relate themselves to (objective) truths. In Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments, he argues that "subjectivity is truth" and "truth is subjectivity." What he means by this is that most essentially, truth is not just a matter of discovering objective facts. While objective facts are important, there is a second and more crucial element of truth, which involves how one relates oneself to those matters of fact. Since how one acts is, from the ethical perspective, more important than any matter of fact, truth is to be found in subjectivity rather than objectivity.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
You do understand! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. That was the jist of the email I sent to him after I canceled my subscription to his site.
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#117. To: Critter, All (#91)
He just lost my $5.95 a month.
#118. To: randge (#117)
We'll be looking for other sources of alternative audio/video.
#119. To: christine, randge, Cynicom, all (#118)
#120. To: Lod (#119)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#120)
The question is who got to him.
#122. To: Cynicom, christine (#110)
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government)
#123. To: Cynicom (#121)
#124. To: randge, christine (#13)
Both of us have tried to mediate some of the anger and mistrust directed at Jones at times.
#125. To: scooter (#124)
But it is fairly obvious he has a god complex and he's convinced he is the all holy and infallible prophet of the patriot movement.
#126. To: christine, scooter (#125)
i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter
#127. To: Lod (#9)
Alex would have done well to have left his bull-horn at the office Monday.
#128. To: christine (#125)
i still don't believe that he's a government op. i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: christine, scooter, TwentyTwelve (#125)
i still don't believe that he's a government op.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: FormerLurker, christine, scooter (#129)
i still don't believe that he's a government op.
#131. To: christine (#109)
#132. To: randge (#0)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#133. To: All (#132)
agent provocateur
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#134. To: wudidiz, all concerned people (#133)
Disruptor. Kinda stupid too in a sociopathic way. A megalomaniac.
#135. To: scooter (#124)
His responses are that he doesn't care and that she's hard for him. Wow. Just wow.
#136. To: noone222 (#134)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#137. To: noone222, scooter (#135)
I too think he was there to get footage for his next flick.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#138. To: PSUSA (#18)
That bastard had me fooled once too.
#139. To: noone222 (#131)
He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology.
#140. To: Mister Clean, iconoclast, noone222, all (#139)
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This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
#141. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
Lord Acton
#142. To: PSUSA (#140)
We are unified, but only in purpose, not behind a leader that is either a traitor, and/or a ego maniacal sociopath, and/or just an asshole. It doesn't matter what he is, it's not good.
#143. To: PSUSA (#140)
I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
#144. To: iconoclast (#142)
But where are the Washingtons, Madisons, Jeffersons .........?
#145. To: Mister Clean (#143)
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#146. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
Lord Acton
#147. To: PSUSA (#145)
I don't know. I think they see it, like I started to see it. I think they have an emotional investment in him and a weird sense of personal loyalty and that keeps them from taking it to the next level.
#148. To: Mister Clean (#147)
Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world.
#149. To: Mister Clean, PSUSA, all (#143)
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
#150. To: FormerLurker (#128)
Either way, would it make him any less dangerous?
#151. To: iconoclast. all (#142)
My God, look, if you can stand it, at our last four presidents.
#152. To: randge (#27)
The rally was organized by the We Are Change Austin people.
#153. To: randge, christine (#0)
#154. To: Dakmar (#153)
#155. To: christine (#154)
#156. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
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