#79. To: randge, christine, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#0)(Edited)
WEARECHANGEAUSTIN.org's motto is,"COME AND TAKE THEM!" and ALEX's is, "BUY MY NEW BOOK!"
His CIA handler sent "Agent AJ" in to disrupt the rally because they fear groups and pissed off activists they do not control. And you can be sure that Alex will have the gratitude of the Austin govt and police.
When the time comes for revolution Alex will tell folks to keep their guns buried and instead buy his new book entitled "TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS!"
To the blinded-by-love-and-hero-worship AJ supporters and skeptics I ask this:
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
This would never have happened if the gutless sheriff of Travis country had informed the feds that their presence was not required here, and to go back to their ten square miles and stay.
This would never have happened if the gutless sheriff of Travis country had informed the feds that their presence was not required here, and to go back to their ten square miles and stay
If we are to have a bloodless reckoning with corrupt government, it will have to be one or two states that have governors with backbone to stand up and defy the criminals in Washington.
Texas would be a perfect state but your governor is a spineless wimp and a member of the criminal system.
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government) who organized the event. Deborah ran PSAs on 90.1 here in Austin for 3 days prior and they sent the press release to Alex. They also invited him to speak and he declined.
Well, anyone can have a bad day. Alex certainly bogarded the event. He definitely didn't think much of the gal that was admonishing him. It didn't help him to act rudely and I wish he hadn't.
He's a victim of his own success if he feels that the growing resistance movement is encroaching upon him.
He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology.
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology.
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
Alex Jones is quite obviously not interested in resisting tyranny. He's interested in feeding his ego and his bank account. I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony.
You still take him seriously after this? Sheesh, what will it take to, uh what's that phrase... oh yeah, "wake you up" to the "truth" about Alex Jones?
#140. To: Mister Clean, iconoclast, noone222, all (#139)(Edited)
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
Now is the perfect time to "fragment the resistance to tyranny."
A unified resistance can be destroyed anytime they want to destroy it. The more fragmentation, the harder is for them to control us.
Why do you think that "lone wolves" scare them so badly?
We are unified, but only in purpose, not behind a leader that is either a traitor, and/or a ego maniacal sociopath, and/or just an asshole. It doesn't matter what he is, it's not good.
I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony.
I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
I realize that accepting the truth about Alex Jones is very hard for people who put their trust in him.
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
What he did at that demonstration was bad enough, but worse, to fantasize the next day on his show that he didn't disrupt the event, but rather it was the organizers who are to blame is unexplainable. I was never his biggest supporter, especially of late, but his actions are those of a sick man. A 24x7x365 diet of this material can blow the circuits of anyone. If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
Anyone who continues to give Alex Jones any credibility after this incident is a fool.
Some of you people should have listened to me years ago when I told you the guy was a fraud.
Some of you people should have listened to me years ago when I told you the guy was a fraud.
This is a rough house to preach to. We're very capable of making our own minds up. I'm limiting my criticism to Jones based on this incident. I've said his conduct was an embarrassment, but that said, we're human and we all have bad days. Time will tell if this was one or something more. Given the faulty human condition we all display from time to time, the future of Jones is up to himself and a forgiving portion of his audience.
having said that, if he never addresses it or offers an apology (he should have already), that pretty much shows his true character which is megalomania, imo. i'm not willing to say or believe he's a complete fraud though. for the most part, i listen to his show for the guests he brings on and the discussions of current events.
Well, I never said, and to my knowledge no one has ever said here that JOnes lies all the time. There is good info there.
I think that where we differ is in why there is mostly good info, but mixed in are outright lies of commission and lies of omission, and innuendos, as well as actions that are intentionally disruptive like the OP demonstrated.
THese things are demonstratively false, and yet they are said and posted for a reason. I have to ask myself why he does that, because it is done intentionally.
Then, like someone else already posted, no new info is presented that isn't available elsewhere. What Jones does, any of us can do.
Jones tries to portray himself as a leader. I wouldn't follow him into the kitchen, and I've laid out why that is.
#219. To: PSUSA, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, irishthatcherite (#209)
I have to ask myself why he does that, because it is done intentionally.
A likely motive is to maximize advertising dollars. Greed and fear of getting too close to the truth are powerful motivators for someone in his position. Controlled opposition is unlikely at his small fry level. The PTB just don't care what someone off the mainstream media has to say. Cable/satellite TV and large circulation newspapers, plus research grant funding is where most of the control is exerted.
However, we do hear rumblings that unstructured media like the Internet could be coming under more rigid control. This too, I doubt.
The real control is built in to our culture, and that's been under development for more than a thousand years. The extent that it's intentional is really a side issue.
We change our culture or we lose. It's that simple. One Alex Jones or a David Icke screaming about a laboratory-based flu epidemic or claiming that the 'Illuminati' are demon-worshiping global controllers with lizard DNA is hardly enough to make any difference. It's more entertainment than anything else. People taking advantage of mass society's vulnerability to central control could care less about these guys. They already have the public schools, the churches, the state and local governments, the main stream media conglomerates, and the scholars under strict control. That's all they need. And it was easy.
If you think I'm pessimistic, I am. But if more people realize just how easy it was to take central control over our opinion-shaping institutions, and why, we could begin to change. So far, the "freemarketeers" are missing the point.
Meanwhile, I say freedom and good living start inside of each of us and spread outward one person at a time. The central communications mechanisms are full of death and oppression, spread through incited fear and loathing. On our own we can do otherwise. It's a choice we all have to make.
#221. To: Deasy, PSUSA, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, irishthatcherite (#219)
A likely motive is to maximize advertising dollars. Greed and fear of getting too close to the truth are powerful motivators for someone in his position. Controlled opposition is unlikely at his small fry level. The PTB just don't care what someone off the mainstream media has to say. Cable/satellite TV and large circulation newspapers, plus research grant funding is where most of the control is exerted.
I must disagree. The paranoid psychotics currently running the hurdy gurdy are afraid of any and all contradictory data. They exercise control all the way down to local radio - and its declining listnership. Why do you think a PsyOperator like Limbaugh is paid so much? Because he is effective at controlling and disinforming a segment of the populace.
One can see the memes implanted in popular culture - movies, TV, and even novels.
Promiscuity is good.
Homosexuality is good.
Taking Pharmaceuticals makes you healthier (and ignore all of those pesky adverse reactions)
Honesty is for suckers.
Torture is acceptable.
The Fed is your friend.
More Taxes = More goodies.
Glowbull Warming is real.
The memes and control messages are implanted at all levels - including forums such as this. Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers. No, it is not just the big media, the PsyOps Control Messages are placed anywhere and everywhere. At this point it is so pervasive that we are bathed in it.
So, I think it entirely possible that Jones is controlled opposition. I am not saying that it is a definite conclusion, but I do not by any means rule it out given his pattern of behavior etc., ...
Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers.
I don't doubt that, but I'd like to see some proof.
Want to put a stop to it? Then people that claim this need to provide proof and expose it.
No, I"m not addressing you on this, but website owners that claim this. They have logs that can prove it. So, prove it. I have yet to see that done.
Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers.
I don't doubt that, but I'd like to see some proof.
Want to put a stop to it? Then people that claim this need to provide proof and expose it.
No, I"m not addressing you on this, but website owners that claim this. They have logs that can prove it. So, prove it. I have yet to see that done.
Unfortunately in the world of shadows and cybershadows the best one can do is inference from known data then to compare other data to the known.
By knowing the tactics employed in PsyOps and Disinformation we can then spot it when it arises and hence it is not illogical to infer cause and effect.