#79. To: randge, christine, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#0)(Edited)
WEARECHANGEAUSTIN.org's motto is,"COME AND TAKE THEM!" and ALEX's is, "BUY MY NEW BOOK!"
His CIA handler sent "Agent AJ" in to disrupt the rally because they fear groups and pissed off activists they do not control. And you can be sure that Alex will have the gratitude of the Austin govt and police.
When the time comes for revolution Alex will tell folks to keep their guns buried and instead buy his new book entitled "TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS!"
To the blinded-by-love-and-hero-worship AJ supporters and skeptics I ask this:
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover.
#265. To: James Deffenbach, christine, wakeup, bluegrass, randge, PSUSA, TwentyTwelve (#80)(Edited)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public."__P.T. Barnum
What we're seeing here (and what AJ groupies won't admit) is they're reliance upon the HAL TURNER STANDARD Of Proof. It's being used by SOME intellectually dishonest folks to resist the truth, knowing full well that it may not ever happen again and they won't have to feel silly for their financial support of The Charismatic and Right Reverend Alex "Jim" Jones.
Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
It's the same reason that Americans convict and jail other Americans for non existent tax "crimes". In order to admit the defendant's innocence the jurors must first admit that they have been duped their entire lives and paid dearly for it.
Given a choice between "I'm really stupid and paid money I didn't "owe"!" or "He's really a criminal who didn't pay his "fair share"!" the invertebrates who worship authority, celebrity and cults of personality will send their neighbors to jail every time.
Simply put, stupid people don't know that they're stupid and they're apt to respond poorly if confronted with the truth. (And, you certainly don't want them on your jury when they find it out.) But, that's where the court clerks really earn their money.
In tax and other "sensitive" cases they pull jurors who have previously convicted and who are textbook state worshipers. (You can easily spot them by reviewing their tax returns and jury questionnaires) And the bitter truth is there are many more of them than there are gutsy patriots who can see that the income tax, the IRS Code and the Federal Reserve constituted the greatest hoax of the 20th century. The meek majority simply will not believe it until they read it in three newspapers, see it on three network news broadcasts and receive written confirmation from the IRS, their accountant, their lawyer and their pastor. And even then if their employers insist on deducting the three income taxes (state and federal "income"(?) taxes and social security) the majority won't quibble. They'd rather keep paying than to have to ask themselves why they didn't hear the truth years before.
It's like a prisoner learning that his cell door was never locked at night and yet he still refuses to leave. He will convince himself that there's a gator-filled moat surrounding the compound before admitting his cowardice.
During the American Revolution fully two thirds of the people refused to align with or support the rebels. Jefferson wrote (in the Declaration) that human nature is such that people will tolerate abuse as long as it's not too unbearable. (my words) Sadly, then and now "too unbearable" means physical pain for them personally. They will tolerate the abuse as long as the "King" only tortures their neighbors, their spouse or (depending on their level of craven cowardice) their children.
We have people saying that AJ is too small a fish to warrant govt control, in spite of the fact that he was at one time much more of a potential threat than Gloria Steinem or Hal Turner ever were. Of course Alex rolled over immediately. Bet on it. And, let's also cheerfully overlook the fact that the CIA controls everyone who is anyone in the media, and Alex wants to mainstream so badly he can taste it. If we were in the Warsaw Ghetto Alex Jones would be wearing the armband of the Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, and enforcing German laws against his fellow Jews while dreaming of those hand made jackboots worn by his SS heroes. "The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."[4]" (Remember Jason Bermas' viciousness against a "fellow patriot" who had the bad manners to know and mention that "Arabs don't control Hollywood" and AJ's bullying defense of Jason? Bermas wished horrible deaths on a sizable percentage of the Patriot movement, and those two will no doubt increasingly savage freedom lovers who don't march in lockstep with the Bronfmans' "secret weapon". Do you remember this movie hero? Someday Alex's greatest role {He'll play himself in the film} will be "I WAS A PATRIOT GENERAL FOR THE Chosen In America!"
The ADL's endorsement (it only needed the actual times of his webcasts to be complete) was the final proof. I mean what true patriot leader isn't the enemy of Zionism? And, have you ever seen more gentle softball pitches thrown (by Abe Foxman's people to boot) at anyone? Hell, Alex is using it as an endorsement! If he was half the threat to the ADL he claimed to be the JDL would have jumped him by now. They don't even picket him for Christ's sake!
He makes entirely too many public appearances in complete safety to be anything but a boot licking state worshiper. And the truly sad thing is, he sees himself as a Richard Marcinko when he's a real life Walter Mitty!
These folks who refuse to see the obvious about Alex Jones and who demand "proof" (like the CIA admitting in a press release that Gloria Steinem was on the payroll-sure thing, fellas) well these sad creatures refuse to acknowledge that we are programmed to believe in the infallibility of the govt and the media celebs who would control us. We never see made-for-TV dramas celebrating/endorsing/educating the public about jury nullification (I've seen two in my whole life-a lawyer show in the 60's and the Paul Newman film THE VERDICT) and the first Americans to openly thumb their noses at the system (a case that the govt couldn't hide the way they hide critical exonerations in tax cases) used it to free a murdering psycho. (OJ)
These folks who completely distrust the govt while supporting with complete confidence an "establishment approved, make believe let's pretend" fringe personality need to understand another govt inspired phenomenon-political schizophrenia.
The day that Alex Jones inflicts real damage on the govt (or even makes a start by leading a "mildly irritating and inconvenient for beltway insiders" march on DC instead of simply satisfying the needs of virtual warriors who won't put their fat asses on the line, either) that's the day I'll apologize and send AJ money.
The meek who support him do so because they know when the time comes AJ will say, "Now is not the time to dig up those AR-15's folks! We need to plan our response veeeeery carefully. Read THE ART OF WAR by Sun Tzu. In fact right now I'm giving away a free copy of Sun Tzu's historic treatise on war with every purchase of my new book 'READ YOUR WAY TO FREEDOM-LET'S TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS'!
And how do we do this? Well, for starters we should all join the GOP and the NARA (The National Air Rifle Association) and when they see our numbers we will take control of the party and I promise you folks, we will bend them to our will!"
At that point even the slow witted among us (you know, those who actually sent him money) will finally see the true agenda of the Alex Jones puppeteers.
Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ???
This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones.
Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it.
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
It's not the ones that listen to him. There's nothing wrong with that.
It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom. You know, like in the OP???
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
True, but once you've seen the grimace that's hiding behind the camouflage, the animal instinct for survival should kick in. However many good guests that the man in question hosts and however hard he may hit the enemy, his words and motives should be called into question.
Other "leaders" have backtracked and disappointed. Ron Paul and his public repudiation of "truth" spring to mind. But even if he had denied it thrice, we recognize that he is surrounded by the Romans and holds his seat in suffrance. RP is very much dealing from weakness and there is only so much that he can say without enduring a yet unheard of mainstream sentence in the public pillory. Yet in Dr. Paul there is no malice and display of deceit or intended betrayal. I believe that he is an honest man - perhaps too honest in some ways.
With Jones I have made up my mind. HOUNDDAWG hit all the right notes in his post, as far as I'm concerned, and if this thread ended with those words, that would be just fine with me. There are a ton of alternate sources of information out there that we have access to, and you all know well where they are.
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ???
This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones.
Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it.
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.