#79. To: randge, christine, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#0)(Edited)
WEARECHANGEAUSTIN.org's motto is,"COME AND TAKE THEM!" and ALEX's is, "BUY MY NEW BOOK!"
His CIA handler sent "Agent AJ" in to disrupt the rally because they fear groups and pissed off activists they do not control. And you can be sure that Alex will have the gratitude of the Austin govt and police.
When the time comes for revolution Alex will tell folks to keep their guns buried and instead buy his new book entitled "TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS!"
To the blinded-by-love-and-hero-worship AJ supporters and skeptics I ask this:
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover.
#265. To: James Deffenbach, christine, wakeup, bluegrass, randge, PSUSA, TwentyTwelve (#80)(Edited)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public."__P.T. Barnum
What we're seeing here (and what AJ groupies won't admit) is they're reliance upon the HAL TURNER STANDARD Of Proof. It's being used by SOME intellectually dishonest folks to resist the truth, knowing full well that it may not ever happen again and they won't have to feel silly for their financial support of The Charismatic and Right Reverend Alex "Jim" Jones.
Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
It's the same reason that Americans convict and jail other Americans for non existent tax "crimes". In order to admit the defendant's innocence the jurors must first admit that they have been duped their entire lives and paid dearly for it.
Given a choice between "I'm really stupid and paid money I didn't "owe"!" or "He's really a criminal who didn't pay his "fair share"!" the invertebrates who worship authority, celebrity and cults of personality will send their neighbors to jail every time.
Simply put, stupid people don't know that they're stupid and they're apt to respond poorly if confronted with the truth. (And, you certainly don't want them on your jury when they find it out.) But, that's where the court clerks really earn their money.
In tax and other "sensitive" cases they pull jurors who have previously convicted and who are textbook state worshipers. (You can easily spot them by reviewing their tax returns and jury questionnaires) And the bitter truth is there are many more of them than there are gutsy patriots who can see that the income tax, the IRS Code and the Federal Reserve constituted the greatest hoax of the 20th century. The meek majority simply will not believe it until they read it in three newspapers, see it on three network news broadcasts and receive written confirmation from the IRS, their accountant, their lawyer and their pastor. And even then if their employers insist on deducting the three income taxes (state and federal "income"(?) taxes and social security) the majority won't quibble. They'd rather keep paying than to have to ask themselves why they didn't hear the truth years before.
It's like a prisoner learning that his cell door was never locked at night and yet he still refuses to leave. He will convince himself that there's a gator-filled moat surrounding the compound before admitting his cowardice.
During the American Revolution fully two thirds of the people refused to align with or support the rebels. Jefferson wrote (in the Declaration) that human nature is such that people will tolerate abuse as long as it's not too unbearable. (my words) Sadly, then and now "too unbearable" means physical pain for them personally. They will tolerate the abuse as long as the "King" only tortures their neighbors, their spouse or (depending on their level of craven cowardice) their children.
We have people saying that AJ is too small a fish to warrant govt control, in spite of the fact that he was at one time much more of a potential threat than Gloria Steinem or Hal Turner ever were. Of course Alex rolled over immediately. Bet on it. And, let's also cheerfully overlook the fact that the CIA controls everyone who is anyone in the media, and Alex wants to mainstream so badly he can taste it. If we were in the Warsaw Ghetto Alex Jones would be wearing the armband of the Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, and enforcing German laws against his fellow Jews while dreaming of those hand made jackboots worn by his SS heroes. "The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."[4]" (Remember Jason Bermas' viciousness against a "fellow patriot" who had the bad manners to know and mention that "Arabs don't control Hollywood" and AJ's bullying defense of Jason? Bermas wished horrible deaths on a sizable percentage of the Patriot movement, and those two will no doubt increasingly savage freedom lovers who don't march in lockstep with the Bronfmans' "secret weapon". Do you remember this movie hero? Someday Alex's greatest role {He'll play himself in the film} will be "I WAS A PATRIOT GENERAL FOR THE Chosen In America!"
The ADL's endorsement (it only needed the actual times of his webcasts to be complete) was the final proof. I mean what true patriot leader isn't the enemy of Zionism? And, have you ever seen more gentle softball pitches thrown (by Abe Foxman's people to boot) at anyone? Hell, Alex is using it as an endorsement! If he was half the threat to the ADL he claimed to be the JDL would have jumped him by now. They don't even picket him for Christ's sake!
He makes entirely too many public appearances in complete safety to be anything but a boot licking state worshiper. And the truly sad thing is, he sees himself as a Richard Marcinko when he's a real life Walter Mitty!
These folks who refuse to see the obvious about Alex Jones and who demand "proof" (like the CIA admitting in a press release that Gloria Steinem was on the payroll-sure thing, fellas) well these sad creatures refuse to acknowledge that we are programmed to believe in the infallibility of the govt and the media celebs who would control us. We never see made-for-TV dramas celebrating/endorsing/educating the public about jury nullification (I've seen two in my whole life-a lawyer show in the 60's and the Paul Newman film THE VERDICT) and the first Americans to openly thumb their noses at the system (a case that the govt couldn't hide the way they hide critical exonerations in tax cases) used it to free a murdering psycho. (OJ)
These folks who completely distrust the govt while supporting with complete confidence an "establishment approved, make believe let's pretend" fringe personality need to understand another govt inspired phenomenon-political schizophrenia.
The day that Alex Jones inflicts real damage on the govt (or even makes a start by leading a "mildly irritating and inconvenient for beltway insiders" march on DC instead of simply satisfying the needs of virtual warriors who won't put their fat asses on the line, either) that's the day I'll apologize and send AJ money.
The meek who support him do so because they know when the time comes AJ will say, "Now is not the time to dig up those AR-15's folks! We need to plan our response veeeeery carefully. Read THE ART OF WAR by Sun Tzu. In fact right now I'm giving away a free copy of Sun Tzu's historic treatise on war with every purchase of my new book 'READ YOUR WAY TO FREEDOM-LET'S TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS'!
And how do we do this? Well, for starters we should all join the GOP and the NARA (The National Air Rifle Association) and when they see our numbers we will take control of the party and I promise you folks, we will bend them to our will!"
At that point even the slow witted among us (you know, those who actually sent him money) will finally see the true agenda of the Alex Jones puppeteers.
Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ???
This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones.
Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it.
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
It's not the ones that listen to him. There's nothing wrong with that.
It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom. You know, like in the OP???
Ya know, Alex has been bullhorning his own audience lately and I personally don't appreciate it.
Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
There are many issues to consider but none more impacting than the central banking (monopoly) system.
Your points are well taken and I'm sure others here are keeping a close eye on Jones.
Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
This is true, as are your comments about his guests. This is what makes it hard for me to figure out what he is doing in these instances.
Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package.
And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems. I see it as a choice between only those 2 options due to what I and many others have caught him doing.
A leader is supposed to be held to higher standards. If a proclaimed and self-proclaimed leader like Jones is to be accepted as a leader then people need to hold him to those higher standards. His hardcore followers do not hold him to those higher standards. They ignore or excuse it all.
I hate to think a mole or a crazy person is at the helm of any ship.
Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package.
And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems.
The phony televangelist example fits perfectly here. The fraud preacher may know the scriptures in and out and be able to quote Bible verses from memory. He may be deeply knowledgeable about doctrine and history. He may give impressive and seemingly sincere sermons on every show...
But he's still a fraud. He's an actor! All the knowledge he has and his talents for speaking are just tools that he uses to deceive people into giving him money. An effective fraud must appear to be genuine for his scam to work!
Agreed. Interesting way of putting it. If he's an actor, then who's the director? The screenwriter? Is he a one man show? A person could go nuts trying to figure it out using suitable standards of proof. I prefer to take things at face value and disregard him. It's easier that way. A person could spend too much time trying to figure it out.
Hal Turner was outed when his emails were hacked. But even before that some knew he was a traitor. Maybe someone will catch Jones in the act in the same ways. If he is really that arrogant, he will leave himself open to that.
Jack Van Impe does this too, now that you brought up "preachers". He's about the only one that does, that I've ever seen. His memory is impressive, even if he still is a fraud. Most preachers teach doctrines with maybe a scripture or 2 thrown into the mix. Not him. He'll rattle them off non-stop.
Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
He's definitely smart enough to know his audience. He's definitely smart enough to know how to exploit people's fears and insecurities for his own profit. He's smart enough to know how to make his audience feel that they truly understand what's really going on; in other words, he makes his audience feel more informed than the average person.
Jones continually promises that victory over the "NWO" is certain even as explains (daily) how things keep getting worse but this is just pure manipulation on his part. He can't list any accomplishments in fighting tyranny because he has none because victory isn't his goal.
Every day, Jones reinforces a never ending sense of crisis because without one, why would anybody listen to him?
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
You're trying to change the subject away from Alex Jones and his lack of accomplishments in fighting "tyranny," "the global elite," "the banking cartel," "the NWO" and whatever else he claims to be fighting.
It's not tyranny. It's corruption and bullying. Corruption is a precursor to tyranny.
Exactly! I think a lot of people on this site and elsewhere are inaccurately labeling corruption and bullying as "tyranny." To call airport security measures tyranny is to water down the word and what it represents.
They have the tyrannical tools in the toolbox ready to be used against us. They practice using them on occasion.
The tyranny is coming.
Yes, I could see that happening especially if that long predicted economic collapse finally arrives and the social order breaks down. I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is.
We need quality, but added numbers of people would be nice.
IMO we can take care of any antisocial behavior ourselves. I despise criminals with and without badges. They make themselves targets. And, we shoot better than they do.
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is.
I see civil unrest as the most likely trigger for the imposition of real tyranny in America. It could come as the result of a large scale terror attack as well but I think that's much, much less likely.