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Title: Alex Jones disrupts 2nd Amendment rally, divides protest
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw
Published: Jan 25, 2010
Author: WACAustin
Post Date: 2010-01-27 09:58:48 by randge
Keywords: Alex Jones, guns shows, protest, Austin
Views: 4211
Comments: 390
Alex Jones Exposes... Alex Jones! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw Alex Jones Turns Peaceful Gun Rights Demonstration Into CHAOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJ4zhiB2s4 You Gotta Hard On for Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWM17wiHhww Poster Comment: I won't tax you with a lot of blabber & half-baked opinion. You all here are big folks and know the meaning of what you see. Patience with the second video. There is a lot of lens time on the pavement, but it bears watching all the way through. Most interested in your comments.
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Any questions folks as to why anyone would actually believe in Alex Jones? He is OWNED. He does what his masters tell him to do. He is NOT relevant. He is a puppet, and if anyone actually believes he isn't, shame on you for not using the brain God gave you.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
You tag line says a lot in view of these videos. Jones spends too much time exulting at the "sun and the trees and the sky and the wonders of the universe" and in his own "wisdom" and not enough at what is before him. What he did here is an extreme discourtesy to the folks.
I haven't watched these videos yet but that's the problem I have with Jones, it is hard getting around his infatuation with himself.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
A mere puppet? Maybe. But IMO his treachery goes deeper than that. Our "leaders" know that a certain segment will see thru their BS. Those people still need to be contained. Jones contains them. He does that by telling some truth to gather extremely loyal followers. But when a reaction is desired from his followers, he lies, he disrupts, he makes his followers look like fools by spreading his bad information. We get lumped in with his followers and that decreases OUR effectiveness. It's quite brilliant. Top: I like their flag. Oh shit. At 2:26 guess who makes his appearance. Jones, that fucking attention whore. Someone needs to forcibly remove that bastards bullhorn and wrap that damn thing around his neck! That worthless son of a bitch purposefully disrupted this demonstration. I'll watch the other 2 later. I need a smoke break.
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i heard this as it was going on. my friend Deborah Stevens was broadcasting it live on her network. you could hear AJ bullhorning in the background and several of the folks who were interviewed by Katie, representing RuleofLawRadio, were expressing their disgust with his rudeness.
My opinion is that Jones behaved like a bucket of crushed a'holes. Now, the only question is why.
#2 Intentional chaos. "hey lady its the 1st and 2nd amendment get the hell out of my face"?? What the fuck??? That rat bastard butted his way into this and drowned out everyone else. How about OTHERS 1st amendment rights, you asshat? At 2:25: AAAAAAA-MMMEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!! Thank GOD that others see this now!!! Jones is one rotten son of a bitch. Now I need another smoke break...
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I haven't been paying attention much to the Alex Jones soap opera, but the first video cements it for me, he is obviously there to disrupt the demonstration and to silence these people's voices, while at the same time making them all appear to be lunatic fringe characters and whackos. That is apparently his job.
Alex would have done well to have left his bull-horn at the office Monday.
Not really. Anybody who can genuinely talk themselves out of basic prejudice once can never be trusted.
It's not socialism if it's the white man's money.
Looks like Alex Jones just lost a LOT of his fans, and exposed himself for what he really is. YouTube videos have a way of making their rounds...
Just got through watching the first video. I think Alex made himself look pretty much like an attention whore in that one. I wondered why he couldn't wait until they called on him if he was scheduled to speak. I will check out the others.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Both of us have tried to mediate some of the anger and mistrust directed at Jones at times. These videos must give people who have defended Jones pause. It's a kick in the teeth, really. Picture speak a thousand words. Video reveals worlds.
These videos must give people who have defended Jones pause. It's a kick in the teeth, really. Picture speak a thousand words. Video reveals worlds. yes. this is really sad to me. had he been apologetic and admitted he was rude rather than defensive with Catherine when she confronted him, he could have restored his credibility. there are a whole bunch of people who are now given pause.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#3 "You got a hard on for me". Say that to my mom, or my sister if I had one, or my girlfriend, or my wife, or my 3rd cousin 5000 times removed, or someone I just liked, or didn't like, then I'd leave in handcuffs and you'd leave on a stretcher, and I'd be out of jail long before you got out of the hospital. And I don't care how you meant it. Alex, you are lucky I wasn't there. That last tape was good. People are waking up to what jones is all about. And it's about time. He really stepped in it. This could get to be bigger than his bullshit uber-announcement regarding the Sheen interviewing Obama fraud. Will pass these around. Thanks.
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I've watched a few of Jones' movies and they are good though one I thought was too long because there was too much Jones' in it.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Anybody who can genuinely talk themselves out of basic prejudice once can never be trusted. It's brilliant because it is easy, and effective. That bastard had me fooled once too. Jones' apologists are going to have a hard time explaining this. I wonder of they will reply here (sensibly) to these videos. Probably not.
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Yep. Myself, I hadn't even heard of the Sheen/Obama thing. When it comes to liberty minded people rallying peaceably for 2nd Amendment rights however, for ANYONE to walk up as if he owns the place start disrupting that rally by drowning out speakers with his own bullhorn, well that is an outright malicious act of a saboteur. For Jones to have done this exposes him to the world, and yes, I'm sure he HAS truly stepped in it this time... I had somewhat thought of him as a patriot with a big mouth, but now I just see him as an enemy of the Constitution who has a big mouth.
i have to agree. he needs to man up to this.
Doesn't matter if he does or he doesn't, he did what he did christine. He'll do it again I'm sure, when he's called upon to do so.
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I know from being here that you are a really nice person and would no doubt give people the benefit of the doubt, but I have to say that his "manning up to this" will probably consist of spin doctoring, if he address it at all. To me, this wasn't rudeness. This required many deliberate efforts on his part to disrupt this demonstration. The fallout will be interesting.
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For a long time I've been telling you Alex Jones followers, you sheeple who take him seriously, that your hero was fraud and a clown. Can you hear me now?
so you're convinced it's not ego. he's doing what he's told to do. Deborah and i are chatting on skype about this right now. we both find this heartbreaking. i also have alex on right now because i want to see if he addresses it.
Here's a comment from a local from the comments to the page where I found these videos on AboveTopSecret. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread538306/pg1 OK the second video has been fixed now. I do not know if I mentioned it before but about one minute and ten seconds into the second video you can see Alex Jones showing a nasty hypocritical side of himself. The rally was organized by the We Are Change Austin people. Alex Jones was invited but declined the invitation. Then he decided to show up all cowboy like and disrupt their rally. The rally was about gun rights, gun shows, and person to person private transactions of gun sales. This would include, but is not limited to, buying a gun for a family member as a birthday or Christmas gift. The rally went on despite Alex Jones attempt to disrupt it. However, to anyone on the street who might of been passing by they may of seen it and thought that it was just another "Alex Jones" thing. If they had the ear of any of the police they may of lost it with when Alex Jones put his nose into their business. In the video you can see that they invited him up to the front but he did not accept that invitation. In the last video when Alex Jones is condescending the protesters you can see at the end of it after he is done condescending them he turns to the rest of the crowd and commends them for showing up making it appear as though he himself had something to do with it all as though he were the organizer. Very manipulative IMHO WACAustin links. www.youtube.com... Follow the link and click on his channel to watch more on the protest. Before you ask, no I am not affiliated with WACAustin. It was their protest and if you want to see the whole ting they have it there minus a few Alex Jones clips which have now moved to other peoples channels.
thank you for writing that and i agree completely with the rest of what you posted.
[11:13:45 AM] Debbie: john said that the police noticed that there was a division at the rally as well
I tend to look at things from a neutral position, and in viewing what he did, how he did it, and to who he did it to, is all I need to see. If he were the person he's made himself out to be, he never would have disrupted a rally which represented the very things he's supposed to be for.
Listening to John and Catherine this morning, I was impressed with the way they handled the situation. Clearly they were upset with AJ's classless behavior in disrupting the rally that TAG had planned, permitted, and promoted. They kept to the high road throughout the program.
Here's the archive of Rise Up Radio with John and Catherine this morning: [11:21:47 AM] Debbie: http://mp3.ruleoflawradio.com/RUR/128k/RUR_2010-01- 27_128k.mp3
Thing is, you were telling people that when he WAS relating actual news and information which needed to be said, and ridiculing his message. The problem with Alex Jones is that he is where he is in order to make those issues appear to be NUTTY, since HE'S the one reporting them and "fighting tyranny". So you may have been right in terms of him being a fraud, but the REASONS you were calling him that was because of some of the things he said which were RIGHT.
It's to discredit the VALID information he puts out.
Alex Jones is Still a Jackass I started out to write an article about an ominous attack on Second Amendment rights which took place here in Austin recently, but on viewing videos of the subsequent protest at city hall as part of my research I got sidetracked with more overwhelming evidence that Alex Jones is a narcissistic douchebag and really no friend of liberty, facts which I have observed before but which just become clearer with each new incident. Earnest and passionate local advocates for individual liberty led by John Bush of Texans for Accountable Government organized a peaceful protest rally on Monday afternoon in opposition to the Austin Police Department's involvement with the BATF in attempts to illegally shut down private gun sales at gun shows in Austin. They had a good turnout and a schedule of speakers including Darwin Bedecker, who was the most recent target of this persecution campaign, and notable local liberty advocates like Jerri Lynn Ward and Catherine Bleish. It was organized on short notice, but it was a well-planned and effective rally presenting a legitimate grievance to the city government with a permit and everything. Then, in the middle of it all, Alex Jones shows up with a bullhorn and what can only be described as a gang of thugs, and proceeds to disrupt the entire rally, shouting over the speakers, shutting down the program, and ultimately driving off most of the participants with his obnoxious antics. Not only that, but Jones was rude to everyone, including those who tried to invite him to become a program participant, called Catherine Bleish a "cointelpro" agent provocateur and ranted on and on about the NWO and various issues completely unrelated to the purpose of the protest, while surrounded by his personal videographers and thuglike followers. Apparently Jones is incapable of allowing a protest to go on where he isn't the center of attention, and in order to get that attention he is willing to undermine the effectiveness of the protest, offend potential sympathizers and generally behave like a penis with legs. It's not surprising that by the end of the event people were accusing Jones of working for the statists to discredit legitimate protesters, and a lot of people came away from the event cured of any prior attraction to Jones' particular brand of anti-government paranoia. As I've said before, Jones is his own worst enemy and he lost a lot of supporters Monday because of his boorish behavior and an attitude which was widely described as "divisive." Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little Hitler in the making and that type doesn't like to be left on the sidelines. He has the "rule or ruin" attitude where if he's not in charge and doesn't have all eyes focused on him then he will cause chaos and destruction and to hell with everyone else and the important issue which they may have been protesting. For Jones the cause of liberty and the truth are secondary. His goal is self-promotion and probably personal profit as well. Jones can't just cover a story or add his voice to protesting an issue, because he has to be the story and he has to define the protest or it is of no value to him. For more video of this event taken by Catherine Bleish see here and here.
That is the function of a disinformation outlet. To tell the truth almost all of the time while misleading, intentionally drawing wrong conclusions, and omitting vital data. And that is the pattern that Jones is falling into. Limbaugh is a master of the art - which is why he is paid more than his program makes in advertising revenue. Jones is falling into a pattern (just as Limbaugh did) and it is a repetition of the same old tactics. First build an audience through telling the audience the truth and what they want to hear (while being careful not to reveal any of the insider data that they don't already have). That is one of the keys to unlocking the Jones puzzle - while he does introduce some apparently new data he does not introduce much if anything that elements of his audience did not already know. Blunt the effectiveness of the opposition by becoming a "leader" and then use the positional authority to control and lead the opposition into ineffective or less effective avenues. Another of his PsyOp tactics is to bloviate endlessly on the NWO, get people agitated and strung out on edge, and use that to exhaust their nervous energy. I've noticed that listening to Jones on a regular basis, which I did for about 6 months until I began to understand his schtick, tends to leave a person continually agitated and a lower tone thus inactive. Another is to speak in generalities when describing the players - for Limbaugh it is "the liberals" and for Jones it is the "New World Order". All have names, and while Jones will occasionally mention the Rothschilds and Rockefellers he does not clearly point the arrows back to them illustrating how they run the operation. Jones is a holding agent - holding people in check and getting them to spend their energies on useless pyrotechnics rather than building effective organizations in opposition. Which brings us to "advocate ineffective means of opposing" them and attack anyone who does. Notice how the "We are Change" movement was effectively gelded by first associating himself with the leaders of it and then after having it tightly associated with himself then de-emphasizing it. Jones is right about one thing, another of those self evident truths that he trumpets as though it was an original insight, that we are in an information war. The problem is that he is on the other side. The connections are very tenuous as he operates in deep cover, has to for his function, but the little snippets are accumulating - his sharing of an attorney with the Bronfmans being one, and his syndicator for his Sunday Shoe another. He is a tool of the same people who control the Zionists (and again only the top levels of Zionism know the true game and the rest of the schmucks are being taken for a little ride).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis before he did have an equal or larger audience thus pre-empting Alex's leverage over Ted and his indirect control of Genesis and what it broadcasts. Although he may well be a narcissist I suspect the motivation was more a matter of Rense actually being a purveyor of the truth which conflicted with Alex's disinformation operation.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Qik | catherinebleish | catherine confronts alex jones a 2nd time
I think this barging in actually suggests something else - despite Jones the Liberty Movement is growing in directions not under the NWO control umbrella. As Jones is marginalized he loses effectiveness as an agent, and as the movement grows without an agent at the helm it becomes less controllable. Conclusion: Jone's bosses are getting a little concerned over the loss of control.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
i heard this as it was going on. my friend Deborah Stevens was broadcasting it live on her network. you could hear AJ bullhorning in the background and several of the folks who were interviewed by Katie, representing RuleofLawRadio, were expressing their disgust with his rudeness.
Totally off the subject, but of interest to those that understand the degree of programming that has been accomplished on Americans. Tell me how often, if ever, you have seen the following in comparison to the above authors quote???? Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little... Stalin... in the making
I suspect that Jones was there specifically to disrupt the event.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Totally off the subject, but of interest to those that understand the degree of programming that has been accomplished on Americans. Tell me how often, if ever, you have seen the following in comparison to the above authors quote???? Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little... Stalin... in the making Good point. I suspect that is mainly because the evil represented by Hitler is more prominent and thus is more readily grabbed for a metaphor. It is true that Stalin was far worse than Hitler - but connecting to Stalin is not allowed in the media, as Hitler has been planted in our common popular culture. Stalin is not given the same emphasis, even though his dead body count dwarfs Hitler's because that leads back to "the Chosen". It puts them in a bad light as much of Stalin's Secret Police Apparatus was manned by Jews whom we all know are Sainted and Chosen and so we have to talk about the evil Hitler who persecuted the Chosen.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Seems like Jones is using the tactic of accusing his victim of what he is guilty of. Gee whiz, like we've never seen that anywhere else...
Yes Sir... Planted and nurtured for nearly 80 years. That is such subtle programming that few understand that...they...are programmed.
Alex and his handlers apparently overlooked the fact that YouTube is WAY more popular than his website, and that he doesn't control what goes on there.
good observation, Cyni. i don't think i've ever seen that.
Good post! I especially see the 2nd tactic as being more obvious. You cant be alert 24/7. The connections are very tenuous as he operates in deep cover, has to for his function, but the little snippets are accumulating I'm not sure his cover is that deep. And some of those little snippets are rather large. But it takes time and effort to dig things up. Sometimes all it takes is to read a bill he is bitching about to see he lied. Other times its how he words articles on his site. He likes to use trigger words and phrases like he did here: http://surrealworld.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/has-alex-jones-gone-off-the-deep-end/ He is a tool of the same people who control the Zionists (and again only the top levels of Zionism know the true game and the rest of the schmucks are being taken for a little ride). I think he is aware of what he's doing. I think he is many things, but he isn't stupid. You don't pull a stunt, like he did at that demonstration, on a whim. It was deliberate. It had to have been.
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John and Catherine's discussion of the event is really worth listening to. They begin at 28 mins.
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, that was the one that first got me to wondering about him. It was a little too much, laid on just a little too thick. The issues he covers are ones we all need be concerned about, but it is the manner in which he does. And as you say you can't be on alert 24/7 - all that does is lead to exhaustion. Which of course is what he is doing. Agreed. Here, I think the conclusion stands out better than in some other instances. Here, his antics display what he was actually doing i.e., disrupting.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well, they control YouToob as well, but they are kind of trapped on it as the more censorship they use to try to control the message the more obvious the censorship becomes. Most people are still blithely unaware of the sheer massive volume of the control messages going out and being used. It is on a scale that, because of their programming, boggles them into disbelief and thus not seeing it. I know when I first got interested in the subject that I was becoming aware of the control, but it has taken me the better part of ten years to really get how massive and pervasive it is at all levels of mass communications.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I'll have to download it while I am out. Being on dial-up is becoming increasingly annoying.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thing is about YouTube is that either they knew well in advance that they'd lose control of it, and set it up just in order to identify "troublemakers", or were totally blind to what it could evolve to. I think the former is more probable than the latter.
Ditto. Contrary to the image that is attempted to be portrayed of them, the Fu Manchu evil genius image, they actually have made a lot of mistakes but by controlling the media if it is never reported it never happened. The Internet itself was the first real big mistake in information control. When it was still a closed network, ARPANET, the conversation was kept controlled as all of the users were government employees one way or another and were protective of their "Rice Bowl". Therefore I think they had a false image, and estimation, of what the Internet would become, and didn't think it would become as widespread as it has. In the early years it was just geeks because you had to know at least some UNIX to access much. With the advent of Browsers though it opened the door to people who really know little about computers. Thus what was expected to be a vehicle of commerce and control went out of control and thus the subsequent attempts to set up the controlled Internet II etc., ....
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
[11:21:47 AM] Debbie: http://mp3.ruleoflawradio.com/RUR/128k/RUR_2010-01- 27_128k.mp3 Thanks for posting this.
Um, OI, by former I meant the original premise, not the 2nd one. Since people need to sign up with email addresses on YouTube, and it IS in fact a government affiliated site (via Google ownership), I'd say they are more than likely VERY curious as to who is posting what, and it provides them with names and addresses. I hope it's more of what you say, pure stupidity on their part, but I wouldn't be so sure...
My bad. Actually, when I think about it, we could both be right. Google is of course CIA (which is why I don't use it and don't trust the search results to be complete even when I use Scroogle).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
In the first video, observe the guy in the blue shirt walking behind Jones at 2:23 into the video. At 2:28 he breaks left from Jone's entourage and heads discreetly into the crowd. FBI?
a guy just called alex and thanked him for organizing the event yesterday and alex didn't give tribute to the real organizers. his only comment was that it was wonderful the number of people who showed up. that call gave him the opportunity to set the record straight and to apologize. the fact that he didn't says it all. :/
Not good news, C, not good even a little bit.
He blew his cover - big time. He's probably scrambling to figure a way out.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Operatives with an agenda...are always on the 'right' as in conservative. That should speak volumes to Americans. It is NOT by coincidence that leftwing owners of the media pay millions to Limburg and his likes.
His owners are not going to be happy.
One of the reasons I called him a fraud is because, like the phony televangelist who exploits religion to make money, Alex Jones exploits conspiracy theories to make money. Even a televangelist may say things that are "right" in the context of the religion they're exploiting but he is still a total fraud at his core. Alex Jones is exactly the same. I commend you for at least recognizing that I was correct in my assesment of Alex Jones.
His owners are not going to be happy. What is going to happen next IYO?
His owners are not going to be happy. What is going to happen next IYO? Likely he'll try to act as though it reveals nothing, he won't mention it, and if some callers bring it up he'll cut them off and then go on a rant about how "everybody's out to get him". Notice that everytime the Mahajunkie has a bad call that somehow makes it through the screen that he'll spend the next half hour deriding the caller etc., "filthy lib'rul" (even if they were a true conservative).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Gotta keep the faux left/right paradigm thing going on, whatever the cost.
FBI? Possibly - or someone from some agency buried on the inside of the inside of some alphabet soup agency.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
His owners are not going to be happy. What is going to happen next IYO? Likely he'll try to act as though it reveals nothing, he won't mention it, and if some callers bring it up he'll cut them off and then go on a rant about how "everybody's out to get him". Typical AJ maneuver.
Yeah, pretty standard. He can't admit anything and has to try and cover for the mistake.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Without the left/right paradigm the NWO/Elite will collapse.
Gotta have that "Good Cop" - "Bad Cop". Which is which simply changes with the issue and the audience.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Well that pretty much seals it then. One other interesting point is that he's apparently launched his army of disciples onto these YouTube videos, siding with him and blasting the actual organizers as "posers".
Typical AJ maneuver. Better yet, he allowed callers to think it was HIS rally. He'll probably have people thinking the organizers were the disruptors before too long...
Well that pretty much seals it then. Signed, sealed, and delivered.
Typical AJ maneuver. Better yet, he allowed callers to think it was HIS rally. He'll probably have people thinking the organizers were the disruptors before too long... In the past AJ could have gotten away with it unharmed, but not anymore.
Well that sucks and blows at the same time. The first thing he should have told the caller was that he didn't organize it and then said who did. Then he should have said that he had disrupted the event, "quite unintentionally."* If he had said that he may have been able to get some of his followers back into his camp but what he did and then not setting the record straight does not bode well for him imo. *I am not saying that what he did was "unintentional" because it looked like it was intentional to me. Just saying that if he would say that it MIGHT help his cause a bit.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. WEARECHANGEAUSTIN.org's motto is,"COME AND TAKE THEM!" and ALEX's is, "BUY MY NEW BOOK!" His CIA handler sent "Agent AJ" in to disrupt the rally because they fear groups and pissed off activists they do not control. And you can be sure that Alex will have the gratitude of the Austin govt and police. When the time comes for revolution Alex will tell folks to keep their guns buried and instead buy his new book entitled "TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS!" To the blinded-by-love-and-hero-worship AJ supporters and skeptics I ask this: Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Crime of this is that Darwin Boedeker who runs Texas Gun Shows is relying on "Agent AJ" to support his cause. The APD/BATFE run-around that Boedeker is getting (which started this entire mess) is threatening the man's livelihood. This man is in need of honest supporters, as are all gun show entrepreneurs. www.infowars.com/texas-gu...ted-by-the-atf-makes-his- case-on-the-alex-jones-show/
This would never have happened if the gutless sheriff of Travis country had informed the feds that their presence was not required here, and to go back to their ten square miles and stay.
If we are to have a bloodless reckoning with corrupt government, it will have to be one or two states that have governors with backbone to stand up and defy the criminals in Washington. Texas would be a perfect state but your governor is a spineless wimp and a member of the criminal system.
It's one ongoing assault after another.
Don't even get us started on gov. blow-dry...or sen. kay-baby.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? Nothing. That is what is making this so obvious. There was absolutely no reason to do what he and his acolytes did, if they were there to help. No reason at all.
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Sir Lod... Just think of the ramifications if a large state such as Texas were to tell the Feds to buzz off. I would pack my ditty bag, with lead ballast and off to Texas, even at my age.
Agreed. I know one guy who will take the smallest thing and say well if he is wrong on that he is wrong on everything. I would rather gather information and proceed with caution.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
that's why we need Deborah Medina!
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
OK, I admit it, that is pretty fucked up. He just lost my $5.95 a month. That is really fucked up. It boggles my mind even.
A caller told Alex thanks for organizing the protest in Austin. Alex said: "Your welcome".
"Anytime you come out with the 2nd Amendment, you're going to have disruptors" Yeah Alex, you should know, since you obviously disrupted that rally.
I got a kick out of his comment that "cointel" was "in his face"...
Wow, he does live in a different world than the rest of us. He's talking about provocateurs bothering him when he was the one that just waltzed in and bullhorned all over the organizers of the rally. WTF is up with that?
Alex was out of line and a disruption. He let his ego and impatience get the best of him. Sad.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Did you hear his story about snipers on the rooftops, and his encounter at a Waco protest where he claims that cops had guns aimed him? The more I listen to that audio the more I smell a compulsive liar.
Compulsive something, maybe compulsive asshole. His behavior still has me shaking my head. Either the guy has lost his last marble or he is totally owned.
Alex thinks everyone besides him is cointelpro ... sarcasm Besides getting a fat head AJ gots a big fat ass. AJ acted (spoke) like he organized the event. Did he ? The other vids make AJ look like an ass.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Fits well, he wears it well.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Compulsive something, maybe compulsive asshole. His behavior still has me shaking my head. Either the guy has lost his last marble or he is totally owned. Something has happened to Alex Jones.
Alex likes for all of the attention to be on him only. He has a super-inflated self ego.
Jones has a penchant for using "I". Not to be trusted.
He sounds like the typical pathological liar if you ask me.
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The ultimate question is who is his handler?
Two possibilities. The government, most likely, or possibly some group not "officially" in the government. Little difference either way.
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government) who organized the event. Deborah ran PSAs on 90.1 here in Austin for 3 days prior and they sent the press release to Alex. They also invited him to speak and he declined.
Perhaps that group is not controlled and is considered to be a peoples movement???
Alex Jones Co-opts Texans for Accountable Government's Austin PD Protest
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yes
To paraphrase Sam Houston, "Texas can exist very well without the rest of the states, but the rest of the states cannot exist without Texas."
From all that I can tell, TAG is open, honest, and truly grass-roots. No books, tapes, or DVDs to sell - just real people trying to get things right here.
Keep watch and you will see the shadow of the Grim Reaper, measuring up the 9 olde Poops.
Yeah, I didn't reup a while ago, and I don't think I will in future. Have been listening to the audio when I get free in the middle of the day. Heard this the other day: "From him who is given great wisdom, (referring to himself) great things are expected." Thought that was a bit rich. When I think of a wise man, I see a man with humility who practices generosity. I saw neither quality on display at the gun show rally. We'll be looking for other sources of alternative audio/video. This would be a good subject for a thread I hope is at least as long as this one. Thanks for all your thoughts today, mates.
me too.
It's difficult for me to imagine WTF was he thinking when he pulled this stunt? Totally juvenile, asinine, and completely uncalled for.
Lod, it was intentional and it destroyed him and left many adrift and disillusioned. All I can come up with is that his goal was to fracture us. The question is who got to him.
He spoke directly twice to my recall about his possible "assassination", rather graphically. Myself, I bought none of that.
Perhaps that group is not controlled and is considered to be a peoples movement??? THE NWO cannot allow an honest group to become successful.
Frankly, I haven't listened to him in a few months. I felt something like this coming.
These videos must give people who have defended Jones pause. It's a kick in the teeth, really. Picture speak a thousand words. Video reveals worlds. I haven't listened to Alex consistently in over three years. I just don't have the time anymore. But this does it for me. Especially the third video where the lady keeps telling him how much she was motivated by him and you can hear and feel her heart being broken as she tells Alex what he's doing/become. His responses are that he doesn't care and that she's hard for him. Wow. Just wow. Is a fraud or an imposter? Who knows. But it is fairly obvious he has a god complex and he's convinced he is the all holy and infallible prophet of the patriot movement. That makes him unpredictable and very dangerous.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
i think he did it for a photo op for local news covering it and to have some footage to include in his next documentary. why else did he wear a suit and tie and have caked on makeup? i still don't believe that he's a government op. i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter.
I am leaning this way as well.
He would have done better to leave himself at the office. He did a good service by exposing the gun show issue a few days earlier, ie: how the BATF and local police are shutting them down. But he needs to show respect for other groups and people. It's going to his head now. Hanging around his adoring male crew isn't doing anything for his public relations.
Either way, would it make him any less dangerous? One way he's an unstable character who would think nothing of stabbing those who trust him in the back if it were to his advantage, and the other way he's delberately sabotaging the patriot movement. Not much of a difference really.
Thing is though christine, what about his outright lies concerning the event on his radio show?
Thing is though christine, what about his outright lies concerning the event on his radio show? That could be because of his huge ego problem. Alex does not want anyone else entrenching on his territory.
Well, anyone can have a bad day. Alex certainly bogarded the event. He definitely didn't think much of the gal that was admonishing him. It didn't help him to act rudely and I wish he hadn't. He's a victim of his own success if he feels that the growing resistance movement is encroaching upon him. He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology. This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
It's like he's an agent provocateur. WWF style. Something's really fishy about that. He's certainly not being honest.
Disruptor. Kinda stupid too in a sociopathic way. A megalomaniac.
Ya know, I had a thought that he may be really frustrated. He's being threatened by Glenn Beck's promise to do a bunch of documentaries and Beck has a larger audience in the mainstream. Beck is truly a right gate keeper, he badmouths truthers and birthers to the extent of accusing them of being a threat to the president and others. Beck gives frustrated conservatives a place to vent and socialize. He's teamed up with Bill Is'Raeli to do some kind of comedy tour that will reach millions ... and Alex Jones may fear for his future and country. Knowing that Beck is a shill has to get Jones' goat especially when success looks so easy for Beck. Jones has been hacking his way into the public eye the hard way for 15 years and all of a sudden BECK shows up center stage, getting paid million$$$, over funded, and threatening to do a bunch of documentaries too. Maybe Alex just had a rude awakening thinking about how easily Beck could destroy everything he (Alex) has done so far, and do it without the obnoxious rudeness that Jones doesn't appear able to shake. This would be sad too because in spite of himself Alex does bring certain things into focus that neither Beck nor any other MSM pundit will even discuss. If Jones isn't intentionally self destructing so he can leave the country before the shit hits the fan, then he should apologize to those loyal local supporters on his program and grow the fuck up. His actions were immature and uncalled for.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Alex sees himself as the experienced frontline warrior and the lady as a raw recruit. I also think Alex sees the movement being co-opted by others that could relegate him to the dust bin of history. I too think he was there to get footage for his next flick. He was somewhat gracious afterwards, thanking everyone for attending ... (like it was his event) ... all resistance to the current governments throughout the nation is good and this is no time to cause animosity within it. Alex owes the planners of the event a big fat apology. If he can't do that he will fail because of his own ego.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
If he's trying to further his career, he's going about it the wrong way, that's for sure. It's hard for me to put a finger on what' up with this guy. For a moment there, he reminded me of one of those WWF wrestlers shittalking up a storm. Like a braying donkey or someone banging cymbals. I'm not sure what his motive is sometimes, but know what his message results in much of the time... fear. So, I don't know, I don't like to draw hasty conclusions. I found the video to be somewhat shockingly surreal.
Maybe it's just that simple and he's just that shallow. A stupid megalomaniac. You're insightful. I hope you're wrong about the shit hitting the fan though. I have a feeling the future will be miserably boring. Like it's always been. ;-)
It has taken a long time for a lotta people to see through this ahole.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny. Alex Jones is quite obviously not interested in resisting tyranny. He's interested in feeding his ego and his bank account. I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony. You still take him seriously after this? Sheesh, what will it take to, uh what's that phrase... oh yeah, "wake you up" to the "truth" about Alex Jones?
Now is the perfect time to "fragment the resistance to tyranny." A unified resistance can be destroyed anytime they want to destroy it. The more fragmentation, the harder is for them to control us. Why do you think that "lone wolves" scare them so badly? We are unified, but only in purpose, not behind a leader that is either a traitor, and/or a ego maniacal sociopath, and/or just an asshole. It doesn't matter what he is, it's not good. I've been telling you people for a couple years now that Jones is a phony. I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
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Pretty rich--in the first five minutes he was talking about Glenn Beck "selling us out." I wonder what he would call someone who sabotaged a rally he was sponsoring.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bingo. But where are the Washingtons, Madisons, Jeffersons .........? Nothing on the horizon but greedy plutocrats, and/or power hungering pols ... no clear headed men of integrity. My God, look, if you can stand it, at our last four presidents.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
I realize that accepting the truth about Alex Jones is very hard for people who put their trust in him. What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
Out here. It's a big country. It could be some dirt poor farmer or a janitor or some other honorable but low paying job. Who knows?
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Well, if you had told me when I first started to check these conspiracy things out, I would not have believed you either. Although I would have kept it in the back of my mind for later. That was a rather hectic period in my life. I don't know. I think they see it, like I started to see it. I think they have an emotional investment in him and a weird sense of personal loyalty and that keeps them from taking it to the next level. Or maybe I'm completely off base. I don't know.
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Sounds like his mind is gone and ain't comin' back. I am referring to what he said about when he was in Waco and looking toward some parking garage with a cop/sniper, 100 yards away (or so he said) and even though by his own admission there were several hundred people there, this cop had his weapon "trained on me." I call bs on that. How would anyone know from a 100 yards who a cop had sighted in when there is a crowd of people?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Or maybe I'm completely off base. I don't know. The faith people have placed in Alex Jones is no different than the faith people place in phony televangelists. Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world.
That is cold! Funny, and true, and definitely sigline material, but cold!
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What he did at that demonstration was bad enough, but worse, to fantasize the next day on his show that he didn't disrupt the event, but rather it was the organizers who are to blame is unexplainable. I was never his biggest supporter, especially of late, but his actions are those of a sick man. A 24x7x365 diet of this material can blow the circuits of anyone. If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
One way he's an unstable character who would think nothing of stabbing those who trust him in the back if it were to his advantage, and the other way he's delberately sabotaging the patriot movement. Not much of a difference really. i agree.
A tough task, but look at everyone of'em since Jack Kennedy if you want to get really sick.
This rally was actually organized by John Bush and Texans For Accountable Government. (www.tagtexas.org). Here's their press release: tagtexas.org/?p=131, and here's their media page with some videos of mainstream media covering the event: tagtexas.org/?page_id=82
I've always been agnostic on the subject of Alex Jones, for whatever reason I've never become a fan of talk radio. I've held my tongue until now because I know most posters here are both more sincere and thorough than I've ever been, for what it's worth. Keep up the faith though and all that, maybe I'll adopt some kierkegard in my tagline or something
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. i had to look Kiekergaard: One of Kierkegaard's recurrent themes is the importance of subjectivity, which has to do with the way people relate themselves to (objective) truths. In Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments, he argues that "subjectivity is truth" and "truth is subjectivity." What he means by this is that most essentially, truth is not just a matter of discovering objective facts. While objective facts are important, there is a second and more crucial element of truth, which involves how one relates oneself to those matters of fact. Since how one acts is, from the ethical perspective, more important than any matter of fact, truth is to be found in subjectivity rather than objectivity.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
You do understand! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. That was the jist of the email I sent to him after I canceled my subscription to his site.
good for you!
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
It's a sad thing to witness because it's a correctable situation if he chooses to eat a slice of humble pie. The ball is in his court.
Thanks to both for your exchange on Kierkegaard.
Good for you, Critter. Enough letters like that and canceled subscriptions might cause him to eat a slice of that humble pie J T was talking about.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Thanking me is immoral since I'm here to serve mankind, thanks for screwing it up for me, putz.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I needn't have said anything then.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Thanks for the correction. I passed on incorrect info from a site I can't remember at the moment. I've bookmarked this and will give their stuff a careful read when I get a chance.
Without reading any of these comments, I think what we have here is cult personality that assumed that in Austin, he would be allowed to take the horn and run the show. Ego ruled that day. Ooooops, Alex. Now, will my attitude change once I read the thread? Many of you are quite persuasive.
For sure, major rude behavior. But, wait, he cuts off guest and callers every day. It is shameful. That is what he does. Not sure yet if he is dirty
It does appear to be more than rude. He was "purposefully" disrupting. Too obvious. Besides, he didn't say ooops, I'm sorry. He fought back. hmmmm
Christine, you know him, most of us only know of him.
He figured the crowd would support his interruption. He said, "you don't know what you are doing." Ego, so far, it's ego.
Now, that is curious. But, are we supposed to believe, as AJ contemplated going to the rally, that he thought he could get away with this behavior? He really is smarter than that. This is a fluke. So far, ego and bad timing.
that's why i don't believe he's an op or dirty as you said above. i really think it was ego. i think it was a photo op for him with local media and that he was obtaining footage to include in a future documentary, but as FormerLurker pointed out above, that personality flaw severely hurts his credibility, trustworthiness, and even makes him dangerous. the fallout and dissention in our 'patriot' community when something like this happens saddens me.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson
The history of his behavior is troubling.
I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover. Yep, he is too smart to blow cover, loose audience and credibility with a damn camera on him. He was drugged with that MKultra pill. haha
I would pack my ditty bag, with lead ballast and off to Texas Come now, we need you.
It may be worse than that.
Now, that is worrisome.
yep
So true, we cave dwellers are most territorial. He lives and works in Austin, lest we forget.
I will be honest. It was wishful thinking, in my case.
Alex is obviously hurting the patriot movement.
Just watched Catherine's video. Alex, thought her little camera was taking pictures. He would not have said all those things if he knew it was taking video. ooops, Alex Damn, Alex is and always was a huge blowhard. What else is new? Conclusion: stressed out, arrogant, self-righteous, loud mouth A little soul-searching is in order after the apologies.
From Catherine's camera. Note how he blasts this sweet gal with that damn horn.
Cooper was right about Jones.
"The Saudis own Hollywood." .
He was drugged with that MKultra pill. haha I don't know what possessed him to act the way he did. But he had to have known that such rude, boorish behavior would not win any new converts to his cause. Turns most people off when they see someone acting the way he did, especially when he was being disruptive to people he should have been close to.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This last clip confused me a little. What was the history with this caller? Why did Alex react this way. I must be missing something. "Oh, you're that little... " I need some background.
His finest moment.
Why Is The ADL Promoting Alex Jones?
WeAreNotChange.
Anyone who continues to give Alex Jones any credibility after this incident is a fool. Some of you people should have listened to me years ago when I told you the guy was a fraud.
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is. I will be honest. It was wishful thinking, in my case. Did you "wakeup" to the reality that Alex Jones is nothing more than a phony?
This is a rough house to preach to. We're very capable of making our own minds up. I'm limiting my criticism to Jones based on this incident. I've said his conduct was an embarrassment, but that said, we're human and we all have bad days. Time will tell if this was one or something more. Given the faulty human condition we all display from time to time, the future of Jones is up to himself and a forgiving portion of his audience.
With respect to Mr. (ugh) Clean, I'd be more inclined to know who he "likes" as opposed to whom he berates.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Good point. I haven't a clue who he? is, but I'd be interested in who he thinks we should gather information from :)
The article(s) are tooooooooooooooo critical for my taste. Besides that, where would the resistance to tyranny be today had Alex Jones never existed ?
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Yes, time will tell. That said, AJ is hard to listen to. I, for one, find the clowning and low comedy tooth grindingly hard to endure. There's the hillbilly cop, the faux Brit aristo voice, the ninnying lib bit. For all his great memory and grasp of the many threads in a story and the depth and breadth of most of his guests, many listeners are scared to death to introduce anyone else to his show for fear that he'll go off at any moment into one of his self indulgent rants. He could get away with this stuff on, say, national TV. He avoids doing this stchick is his movies. It's almost as if he wants to limit the popularity of his internet broadcast to all but the most hard-bitten. It's a shame. The more paranoid among us will wonder if it is just accidentally so.
Clean rates 8th on my list of 9 Bozos !
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Well said, I agree with every syllable !
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Interesting article! That ADL article was nothing. I don't see how jones could make such a fuss over it. www.adl.org/special_repor...in-America/alex-jones.asp " ADL Calls Alex Jones “Conspiracy King,” Insinuates He Should be Removed from Society " http://www.infowars.com/adl-call...-be-removed-from-society/ It "insinuates" no such thing. Jones lies again.
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I haven't listened to him for the last few months. I was a semi-regular before that. Alan Watt is instant insomnia, and AJ was becoming a tad too preachy for me. Not that his info isn't accurate from all I can tell. When he first entered the scene, I thought to myself he'll burn out before too long. It's taken longer than I thought, but he's on the edge. He needs a month off for self reflection and relaxation, ASAP.
Who do you recommend at this time, Jethro?
having said that, if he never addresses it or offers an apology (he should have already), that pretty much shows his true character which is megalomania, imo. i'm not willing to say or believe he's a complete fraud though. for the most part, i listen to his show for the guests he brings on and the discussions of current events.
That's me too. He has improved in his ability to retrieve guests almost instantaneously after significant events occur, and occasionally he'll let a caller talk long enough to expose something important that's taking place somewhere in the country. I have had to turn him off more often as of late because he gets on my nerves.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Well, I never said, and to my knowledge no one has ever said here that JOnes lies all the time. There is good info there. I think that where we differ is in why there is mostly good info, but mixed in are outright lies of commission and lies of omission, and innuendos, as well as actions that are intentionally disruptive like the OP demonstrated. THese things are demonstratively false, and yet they are said and posted for a reason. I have to ask myself why he does that, because it is done intentionally. Then, like someone else already posted, no new info is presented that isn't available elsewhere. What Jones does, any of us can do. Jones tries to portray himself as a leader. I wouldn't follow him into the kitchen, and I've laid out why that is.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I listen to everybody, including terrestrial radio, and read as much as I can. Frankly it's the guests on these shows who deliver the information and provide the entertainment for me.
He is OWNED. He does what his masters tell him to do. He is NOT relevant. He is a puppet, and if anyone actually believes he isn't, shame on you for not using the brain God gave you. Exactly. Surely a man as successful and as high profile as Jones would be so big a threat to the elites as to fall foul of a fabricated scandal, if not and 'accident'? There are men who've managed to rise a lot higher than him (eg JFK) only to be done away with. Yet, here he is, alive and well, doing what he's been doing for years and years.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." People like us will never get behind one leader. It's not in our nature. We might all get behind concepts and movements, but individual leaders? Not likely.
Totally agree.
YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!! He has Special forces following him around, just looking for the right opportunity to whack him!!!!!!!!
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Some, yes. Many others? No. I disagree with you on that. They exchanged one set of leaders for another set. You can see it here on this thread from some people. They are more worried about unity, which means they want us unified under their leader, namely Jones, because they wont see a resistance without him. Jones didn't start the resistance. He just benefits from it.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I wasn't aware that I was lying, thanks for informing me. I just thought I was making an observation....
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." For all we know that could be part of the act.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." A likely motive is to maximize advertising dollars. Greed and fear of getting too close to the truth are powerful motivators for someone in his position. Controlled opposition is unlikely at his small fry level. The PTB just don't care what someone off the mainstream media has to say. Cable/satellite TV and large circulation newspapers, plus research grant funding is where most of the control is exerted. However, we do hear rumblings that unstructured media like the Internet could be coming under more rigid control. This too, I doubt. The real control is built in to our culture, and that's been under development for more than a thousand years. The extent that it's intentional is really a side issue. We change our culture or we lose. It's that simple. One Alex Jones or a David Icke screaming about a laboratory-based flu epidemic or claiming that the 'Illuminati' are demon-worshiping global controllers with lizard DNA is hardly enough to make any difference. It's more entertainment than anything else. People taking advantage of mass society's vulnerability to central control could care less about these guys. They already have the public schools, the churches, the state and local governments, the main stream media conglomerates, and the scholars under strict control. That's all they need. And it was easy. If you think I'm pessimistic, I am. But if more people realize just how easy it was to take central control over our opinion-shaping institutions, and why, we could begin to change. So far, the "freemarketeers" are missing the point. Meanwhile, I say freedom and good living start inside of each of us and spread outward one person at a time. The central communications mechanisms are full of death and oppression, spread through incited fear and loathing. On our own we can do otherwise. It's a choice we all have to make.
I was just being sarcastic. I meant nothing by it. One Alex Jones or a David Icke screaming about a laboratory-based flu epidemic or claiming that the 'Illuminati' are demon-worshiping global controllers with lizard DNA is hardly enough to make any difference. It's more entertainment than anything else. I disagree with you on that. It does make a difference, to their respective audiences. They aren't even a blip on the MSM radar. They aren't meant to be. We are the audience. The difference they make is to us, to distract us into looking into fables. THink of all that wasted energy going into looking into total bullshit that would otherwise go into practical solutions. Jones and his minions are going to be just as responsible for the bloodshed as our "leaders" are. If you think I'm pessimistic, I am. I'm optimistic. When you're honest there is a strength in that. Lie, and you're weak and will fail. We'll win. I never said it will be easy. On our own we can do otherwise. It's a choice we all have to make. Agreed. I just don't look to make any converts. That is a waste of time. That is a hard learned lesson. Either they see it or they don't.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I must disagree. The paranoid psychotics currently running the hurdy gurdy are afraid of any and all contradictory data. They exercise control all the way down to local radio - and its declining listnership. Why do you think a PsyOperator like Limbaugh is paid so much? Because he is effective at controlling and disinforming a segment of the populace. One can see the memes implanted in popular culture - movies, TV, and even novels. The memes and control messages are implanted at all levels - including forums such as this. Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers. No, it is not just the big media, the PsyOps Control Messages are placed anywhere and everywhere. At this point it is so pervasive that we are bathed in it. So, I think it entirely possible that Jones is controlled opposition. I am not saying that it is a definite conclusion, but I do not by any means rule it out given his pattern of behavior etc., ...
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You might be right. As a retired cop, you've dealt with more crazy people than anyone here probably. You might see something that I'm missing.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or David Ick is either nuts or a plant. Maybe both. His function seems to be to taint information by having it associated with him i.e., guilt by association. The lizard people shit is just that - shit. I believe its function is most likely to create the aura of kookiness needed to throw valid ideas and observations into disrepute by having Ick's name associated with them.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
All I'm saying is that with the marketplace of ideas as locked up as it is by safe thought leaders, the powers that be can pretty much let history take its course. They don't really need COINTELPRO and agents provocateur at this point. When Americans were schooled in less centrally managed institutions just 50 years ago, it might have been required. Here's a good public school product as an example. Remember as you're watching her that good Republicans say the same things.
Why is he either? He's making a good living. People love him. They're buying his product. What evidence do you have for suggesting that he's nuts or a provocateur?
I don't see any evidence here proving that he's controlled opposition. I think he could be controlling himself, so he just doesn't say what we want to hear. Now we're getting into easily hurled allegations without evidence. I'm tired of Jones for that very reason.
I don't doubt that, but I'd like to see some proof. Want to put a stop to it? Then people that claim this need to provide proof and expose it. No, I"m not addressing you on this, but website owners that claim this. They have logs that can prove it. So, prove it. I have yet to see that done.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Just as well I didn't lose my temper so! lol Hmmm... I'm usually good at detecting sarcasm, I must be slow today! ;) Edit: Actually, I think I was being sarcastic in that post too and didn't realise it! So very slow today...... ;)
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." Maybe not directly - a backlash too likely. But, I see in the Internet a trend that has happened and is happening in other sectors - gradual control by a handful of companies. Google the dominant search engine, Facebook seems to have it tentacles in most websites - note the frequency of Facebook links now on other websites. Youtube will eventually swallow up or crush other video hosting sites, and their censorship has been noted.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." But hey, it's a free market. As long as we're free to start our own companies and compete to dominate entire sectors, what could go wrong?
A possible solution.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." Unlikely. The capital for starting these firms is provided by like-minded investors. But that's not the only problem. If people wanted to know more, they would demand more variety of media sources. They don't.
Gah! An entire army of McCain_Rocks! lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And the banksters ultimately control all capital. But that's not the only problem. If people wanted to know more, they would demand more variety of media sources. They don't. I hope there is, at least, a heightened curiosity from the general public - Truther Jim Corr (of the band, The Corrs) appeared on an Irish chat show last night - and a subtle effort to discredit him was made by the host by bringing up HAARP and the Haiti earthquake. Typical strawman tactic of course - pick out the crazier theories floating round. BUT! I went to visit Jim Corr's website, jimcorr.com, straight after - I could not access it, it must have been inundated with hits! At least it shows the Irish public want to know more.
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." I'm glad I didn't say rotgut/sardine sandwich/fifty yard line... lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." Why is he either? He's making a good living. People love him. They're buying his product. What evidence do you have for suggesting that he's nuts or a provocateur? Because of the shape-shifting alien crap. Ick, while putting out some good information, admixes it with the really kooky stuff for which there is no proof other than his apparent surmises. Knowing how PsyOps operates I thus infer that the association is likely (and I said "likely" not proved) intentional so as to discredit the good information. The tactic is called "Dead Agent" i.e., to refute something so as to reclassify it as unreliable. The tactic has both valid and invalid uses. It would not surprise me to learn that Icke works for MI-5.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You're still making assumptions.
I don't doubt that, but I'd like to see some proof. Want to put a stop to it? Then people that claim this need to provide proof and expose it. No, I"m not addressing you on this, but website owners that claim this. They have logs that can prove it. So, prove it. I have yet to see that done. Unfortunately in the world of shadows and cybershadows the best one can do is inference from known data then to compare other data to the known. By knowing the tactics employed in PsyOps and Disinformation we can then spot it when it arises and hence it is not illogical to infer cause and effect.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No, I am making inferences. An inference is a conclusion based on the comparison of known data to incomplete or circumstantial data and then drawing a logical conclusion therefrom. An inference may then, with more complete data, be proven valid or invalid. However, it is a bit more refined that simple speculation. The other possibility is that Icke is simply another good looking huckster who enjoys milking rich women.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No. If some have been traced back to some .gov organization, then I want to see that proof. Otherwise, you are doing what those in Jonestown do. Anyone that disagrees with them is therefore a COINTELPRO shill. Just because someone has a differing opinion does not mean they are suspect. If these things are happening, then the only way to shut them down is to expose it. I've had a great number of local, state and federal .gov visitors on my blog. Too many to keep track of. They have never posted anything.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Both CENTCOM and the ISRAELI PR Ministry have publicly commented on their existence. The data is there if you wish to look. Just fire up a reliable search engine like ixquick and dig in.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
We're talking about Icke. Is he or isn't he an agent, and why? So far we have your inferences. That's hardly an argument.
His conduct was an embarrassment? To whom? People who still take him seriously?
Dave Ramsay makes a whole lotta sense.
having said that, if he never addresses it or offers an apology (he should have already), that pretty much shows his true character which is megalomania, imo. He's not going to apologize for anything. Can you list the accomplishments of Alex Jones in all his years of "fighting the NWO?" "Waking people up" doesn't count unless you can demonstrate some results of this great "waking up."
Yes, I already know this. We have yet another communication breakdown here. I never said those programs don't exist. It is one think to know that people do this. It's quite another to accuse someone of SPECIFICALLY posting things like this without proof. Notice I said already that having a different opinion than the group does, doesn't mean that a person is working for someone. Jones and his ilk pull that crap all the time. The data is NOT there, at least that I have ever seen. There are only accusations. Website logs tell the story. There is nothing top secret about a fucking log. A person that has access to these logs, and makes that accusation without providing the proof, is blowing smoke. The only way to stop it is to expose it. "Spray and pray" fire, ready, aim accusations are not proof. Both CENTCOM and the ISRAELI PR Ministry have publicly commented on their existence. I signed up for the israhell propaganda BS spewing just to see what they were up to. Nothing ever came of it.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I agree with you.
Jones doesn't wake people up. They come to him when they already know that the MSM is full if shit. The problem is their undying loyalty to him, maybe based on a false sense of gratitude.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or They come to him when they already know that the MSM is full if shit. The problem is their undying loyalty to him, maybe based on a false sense of gratitude. Oh I agree totally. And the entire "waking people up" thing is a bunch of crap. For Alex Jones, "waking people up" simply means more DVD sales and membership subscriptions.
I think it goes something like this: AJ's audience is actually replacing their uncritical absorption of mass media information with an uncritical absorption of a "conspiracy researcher" who sounds faintly religious and faintly patriotic, appealing to a whole segment of the population. It's an ingenious marketing mechanism. Of course most of AJ's own research is based on mass media articles that he recycles with his own spin. Really what we need is parents who raise their kids to think for themselves, and educational establishments that encourage independent thinking. We have a lot of the opposite going on.
Well said.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Yes, absolutely. I would add that people should stop looking for a leader or a guru or a spokesperson. I know that won't happen but it should.
Ideally you would be right.
His conduct was embarrassing to me, to the people at the demonstration and to those who appreciate his material. I'm curious, now that we know who you dislike, can you tell us who it is you appreciate?
The only radio show I listen to regularly is Dave Ramsay.
Heard him a few times. Not much to the show after you pay down your debt, cut up your credit cards and tithe 10% of your income to your favorite 501(C)3 'church' so they can continue to keep the sheeple dopey.
The only radio show I listen to regularly is Dave Ramsay. Oh, goody - a NeoCon FauxNews GOP establishment bot. I'm soooooooo surprised.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The show is not only about getting out of debt, staying out of debt and living within your means but that is the main component. I'd rather listen to that than shows that cover the same old tired political crap any day. Shows that deal in conspiracy theories and other alternative subjects are entertaining but nothing more.
Well if the Neocons advocate staying out of debt and living within your means they're heading in the right direction.
I will be honest. It was wishful thinking, in my case. Did you "wakeup" to the reality that Alex Jones is nothing more than a phony? I am stuck on ego, bad timing, stress and did I say ego. He strutted his rudeness and was way out of line. We all have character flaws. Damn, he is not perfect. What a surprise. Dirty, corrupt, probably not. Frustrated with why it is taking so long for folks to wake the fuck up, he even gets angry with those who are in the know. I love him too much to start hating him, yet. Like I said, I still have a tear for how Rush woke me up to the potential of an alternative talk radio.
Spoken like a true sheeple.
So, now, his followers are sheeple. The definition has been broadened without my consent. Damn, I almost made it 24 hours without being insulted.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? I might have asked said "handler" if he didn't think that would blow my cover. "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public."__P.T. Barnum What we're seeing here (and what AJ groupies won't admit) is they're reliance upon the HAL TURNER STANDARD Of Proof. It's being used by SOME intellectually dishonest folks to resist the truth, knowing full well that it may not ever happen again and they won't have to feel silly for their financial support of The Charismatic and Right Reverend Alex "Jim" Jones. Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money. It's the same reason that Americans convict and jail other Americans for non existent tax "crimes". In order to admit the defendant's innocence the jurors must first admit that they have been duped their entire lives and paid dearly for it. Given a choice between "I'm really stupid and paid money I didn't "owe"!" or "He's really a criminal who didn't pay his "fair share"!" the invertebrates who worship authority, celebrity and cults of personality will send their neighbors to jail every time. Simply put, stupid people don't know that they're stupid and they're apt to respond poorly if confronted with the truth. (And, you certainly don't want them on your jury when they find it out.) But, that's where the court clerks really earn their money. In tax and other "sensitive" cases they pull jurors who have previously convicted and who are textbook state worshipers. (You can easily spot them by reviewing their tax returns and jury questionnaires) And the bitter truth is there are many more of them than there are gutsy patriots who can see that the income tax, the IRS Code and the Federal Reserve constituted the greatest hoax of the 20th century. The meek majority simply will not believe it until they read it in three newspapers, see it on three network news broadcasts and receive written confirmation from the IRS, their accountant, their lawyer and their pastor. And even then if their employers insist on deducting the three income taxes (state and federal "income"(?) taxes and social security) the majority won't quibble. They'd rather keep paying than to have to ask themselves why they didn't hear the truth years before. It's like a prisoner learning that his cell door was never locked at night and yet he still refuses to leave. He will convince himself that there's a gator-filled moat surrounding the compound before admitting his cowardice. During the American Revolution fully two thirds of the people refused to align with or support the rebels. Jefferson wrote (in the Declaration) that human nature is such that people will tolerate abuse as long as it's not too unbearable. (my words) Sadly, then and now "too unbearable" means physical pain for them personally. They will tolerate the abuse as long as the "King" only tortures their neighbors, their spouse or (depending on their level of craven cowardice) their children. We have people saying that AJ is too small a fish to warrant govt control, in spite of the fact that he was at one time much more of a potential threat than Gloria Steinem or Hal Turner ever were. Of course Alex rolled over immediately. Bet on it. And, let's also cheerfully overlook the fact that the CIA controls everyone who is anyone in the media, and Alex wants to mainstream so badly he can taste it. If we were in the Warsaw Ghetto Alex Jones would be wearing the armband of the Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, and enforcing German laws against his fellow Jews while dreaming of those hand made jackboots worn by his SS heroes. "The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."[4]" (Remember Jason Bermas' viciousness against a "fellow patriot" who had the bad manners to know and mention that "Arabs don't control Hollywood" and AJ's bullying defense of Jason? Bermas wished horrible deaths on a sizable percentage of the Patriot movement, and those two will no doubt increasingly savage freedom lovers who don't march in lockstep with the Bronfmans' "secret weapon". Do you remember this movie hero? Someday Alex's greatest role {He'll play himself in the film} will be "I WAS A PATRIOT GENERAL FOR THE Chosen In America!" The ADL's endorsement (it only needed the actual times of his webcasts to be complete) was the final proof. I mean what true patriot leader isn't the enemy of Zionism? And, have you ever seen more gentle softball pitches thrown (by Abe Foxman's people to boot) at anyone? Hell, Alex is using it as an endorsement! If he was half the threat to the ADL he claimed to be the JDL would have jumped him by now. They don't even picket him for Christ's sake! He makes entirely too many public appearances in complete safety to be anything but a boot licking state worshiper. And the truly sad thing is, he sees himself as a Richard Marcinko when he's a real life Walter Mitty! These folks who refuse to see the obvious about Alex Jones and who demand "proof" (like the CIA admitting in a press release that Gloria Steinem was on the payroll-sure thing, fellas) well these sad creatures refuse to acknowledge that we are programmed to believe in the infallibility of the govt and the media celebs who would control us. We never see made-for-TV dramas celebrating/endorsing/educating the public about jury nullification (I've seen two in my whole life-a lawyer show in the 60's and the Paul Newman film THE VERDICT) and the first Americans to openly thumb their noses at the system (a case that the govt couldn't hide the way they hide critical exonerations in tax cases) used it to free a murdering psycho. (OJ) These folks who completely distrust the govt while supporting with complete confidence an "establishment approved, make believe let's pretend" fringe personality need to understand another govt inspired phenomenon-political schizophrenia. The day that Alex Jones inflicts real damage on the govt (or even makes a start by leading a "mildly irritating and inconvenient for beltway insiders" march on DC instead of simply satisfying the needs of virtual warriors who won't put their fat asses on the line, either) that's the day I'll apologize and send AJ money. The meek who support him do so because they know when the time comes AJ will say, "Now is not the time to dig up those AR-15's folks! We need to plan our response veeeeery carefully. Read THE ART OF WAR by Sun Tzu. In fact right now I'm giving away a free copy of Sun Tzu's historic treatise on war with every purchase of my new book 'READ YOUR WAY TO FREEDOM-LET'S TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS'! And how do we do this? Well, for starters we should all join the GOP and the NARA (The National Air Rifle Association) and when they see our numbers we will take control of the party and I promise you folks, we will bend them to our will!" At that point even the slow witted among us (you know, those who actually sent him money) will finally see the true agenda of the Alex Jones puppeteers.
Obviously, you haven't been getting your US recommended daily allowance (USRDA) of TeeVee. I dub thee CyniDAWG. It's good to see you, I hope you're well. Damn, now that's some over-the-top cyniSatire. I like it.
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ??? This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones. Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it. I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
It's not the ones that listen to him. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom. You know, like in the OP???
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or True, but once you've seen the grimace that's hiding behind the camouflage, the animal instinct for survival should kick in. However many good guests that the man in question hosts and however hard he may hit the enemy, his words and motives should be called into question. Other "leaders" have backtracked and disappointed. Ron Paul and his public repudiation of "truth" spring to mind. But even if he had denied it thrice, we recognize that he is surrounded by the Romans and holds his seat in suffrance. RP is very much dealing from weakness and there is only so much that he can say without enduring a yet unheard of mainstream sentence in the public pillory. Yet in Dr. Paul there is no malice and display of deceit or intended betrayal. I believe that he is an honest man - perhaps too honest in some ways. With Jones I have made up my mind. HOUNDDAWG hit all the right notes in his post, as far as I'm concerned, and if this thread ended with those words, that would be just fine with me. There are a ton of alternate sources of information out there that we have access to, and you all know well where they are.
Ya know, Alex has been bullhorning his own audience lately and I personally don't appreciate it. Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system. There are many issues to consider but none more impacting than the central banking (monopoly) system. Your points are well taken and I'm sure others here are keeping a close eye on Jones.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
This is the 2nd best reason to listen to Jones (IMHO). He cannot completely overshadow his guests and he seems to be able to obtain interviews with currently relevant folks. Some of his regular guests are CNP members which also gives me pause to consider what they have to say.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
The true agenda of Alex Jones appears to be nothing other than making money.
Excellent post. I appreciate the time and effort you put into that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Big freaking deal. Talk is cheap and easy. Beyond enriching himself through grandstanding, exploitation and effective marketing, Alex Jones has achieved nothing in his alleged fight against the "NWO." N O T H I N G !
This is true, as are your comments about his guests. This is what makes it hard for me to figure out what he is doing in these instances. Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package. And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems. I see it as a choice between only those 2 options due to what I and many others have caught him doing. A leader is supposed to be held to higher standards. If a proclaimed and self-proclaimed leader like Jones is to be accepted as a leader then people need to hold him to those higher standards. His hardcore followers do not hold him to those higher standards. They ignore or excuse it all. I hate to think a mole or a crazy person is at the helm of any ship.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's fascinating to see how even an obvious fraud like Jones can attract a following of devoted sheep. P. T. Barnum's words about a sucker born every minute will ring true forever.
I think the crazies in charge are attempting to make the rest of us insane ... and to a large extent their success is almost undeniable.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems. The phony televangelist example fits perfectly here. The fraud preacher may know the scriptures in and out and be able to quote Bible verses from memory. He may be deeply knowledgeable about doctrine and history. He may give impressive and seemingly sincere sermons on every show... But he's still a fraud. He's an actor! All the knowledge he has and his talents for speaking are just tools that he uses to deceive people into giving him money. An effective fraud must appear to be genuine for his scam to work!
speaking for myself, i've never been an alex jones follower. i'm a listener to his show and that's more because of the guests he has on and his coverage of the news since i don't watch or listen to MSM.
Would that require actual proof before tossing the govt. op word around? If so, I hold to that standard with Jones and everyone else whether they are in radio or not.
This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones. Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it. I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{AMEN, Brother}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Agreed. Interesting way of putting it. If he's an actor, then who's the director? The screenwriter? Is he a one man show? A person could go nuts trying to figure it out using suitable standards of proof. I prefer to take things at face value and disregard him. It's easier that way. A person could spend too much time trying to figure it out. Hal Turner was outed when his emails were hacked. But even before that some knew he was a traitor. Maybe someone will catch Jones in the act in the same ways. If he is really that arrogant, he will leave himself open to that. Jack Van Impe does this too, now that you brought up "preachers". He's about the only one that does, that I've ever seen. His memory is impressive, even if he still is a fraud. Most preachers teach doctrines with maybe a scripture or 2 thrown into the mix. Not him. He'll rattle them off non-stop. Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or He's definitely smart enough to know his audience. He's definitely smart enough to know how to exploit people's fears and insecurities for his own profit. He's smart enough to know how to make his audience feel that they truly understand what's really going on; in other words, he makes his audience feel more informed than the average person. Jones continually promises that victory over the "NWO" is certain even as explains (daily) how things keep getting worse but this is just pure manipulation on his part. He can't list any accomplishments in fighting tyranny because he has none because victory isn't his goal. Every day, Jones reinforces a never ending sense of crisis because without one, why would anybody listen to him?
speaking for myself, i've never been an alex jones follower. i'm a listener to his show and that's more because of the guests he has on and his coverage of the news since i don't watch or listen to MSM. The term "follower" was a poor choice to describe those of us that are drawn to his videos and sites for educational purposes. Listener would have been more accurate. Actually, I don't follow or listen much anymore. He cuts his good guests off too often and goes off whenever Zionism is brought up by callers. He really is rude. He may have a little cause for arrogance, I suppose but, the rudeness is overdone. After telling Catherine she had a hard on for him he then bull-horned the crowd right in her face. Maybe the bitch slapping he is getting is deserved and he will clean up his act a little. I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding and he should be cut some slack just because he has done sooo much good. I am presently filling an order for 500 "Fall" DVDs. Many of my distributors are fond of this one. The only bigger seller was Freedom to Fascism and Zeitgeist. Whenever I run the machines, I also listen in for quality control purposes so, I have been through FOTR many times. That is an excellent video and his best to date. Of course, they always seem to be his best to date. I hear he is working on a follow-up video to "Obama Deception." Christine, Feb. 7th makes it three years with this project. I started with two titles, one 3-target duplicator and a sharpie. Now, I have three 10-target machines and eleven printers putting out 44 DVD titles. No brag, just fact. Oh, every shipment gets a Bring'em Home magnetic ribbon, thanks to you.
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
i agree
Christine, do you or anyone else here know if this topic has been brought up on Jones' show in the last few days, either by Jones himself or by one of his callers? Been too busy to follow this of late.
no, it hasn't.
I'm not the one you pinged, obviously, but I'd like to answer that. We will not win by massive sweeping accomplishments by any one person. The job is too big. I don't want anyone to think I am hunting for brownie points, but you are just as responsible for fighting tyranny as anyone. You do what you can, I do what I can, and so does everyone else. We all fight the beast in our own ways. Sometimes it's just not wise to divulge too much in a open forum like this one. I'm just here for the fellowship. Posting opinions here is not resisting, IMO. Posting articles is a form of resisting because we are exposing what the bastards are trying to hide. You're maybe looking for someone well known, to answer your question. I dont see it that way. Anyone can resist, and if they don't blow a trumpet, or a f'n bullhorn every damn time they say they are "resisting tyranny", then they have my personal respect. This fawning over VIPs has to stop. It's no different than the hollyweird gossip rags bickering over which celebrity dresses better at some phony awards show, or who is dating who. I don't understand why anyone cares about that crap, anymore than I understand why people admire alternative personalities, especially when they pull a stunt like Jones did in the OP. It's not about personalities or loyalty, it's about telling the truth and not intentionally disrupting others freedoms, like Jones did in the OP... As to why he did it, only Jones knows. We all have our own ideas why.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or You're trying to change the subject away from Alex Jones and his lack of accomplishments in fighting "tyranny," "the global elite," "the banking cartel," "the NWO" and whatever else he claims to be fighting.
What good has he done? If he really has "done sooo much good" it should be easy to demonstrate.
no, i'm not. i'm honestly interested to know how you define fighting tyranny and if there is anyone that you think is or has accomplished it.
I'm just here for the fellowship. Posting opinions here is not resisting, IMO. Posting articles is a form of resisting because we are exposing what the bastards are trying to hide. agreed. i enjoy the camaraderie of spending time with mostly likeminds. i also enjoy what i learn from intelligent, articulate, and educated both academically and real life experienced participants. oh, and i can't leave out the humor and wit.
Do you disagree with my statement that Alex Jones has accomplished nothing in his alleged fight against the things he claims to be fighting against? I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
you must be an IRS agent.
He's right, Americans are content. This is what they've always wanted. Sure, a few disagree, but not that many.
It's great to be you. I'm not sure how old you are, but this nation in the last 40 years has become decidedly less free. I mention this because I have no idea what time references we are working from.
Do you think Alex Jones has accomplished anything in the fight he claims to be waging? If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today? I'd love to see that list.
Its not Horrible, for most - YET. Sure going in that direction tho. Our "Public Servants" in Colorado Springs are the largest best paid best pensioned best medical benifited group in the city, other than the military officers, who appear to be the Pharohs of the Nation. But we are a peace loving nation. The Military Industrial, Medical Insurance, Political Complex has devoured this nation.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" What if a person has ethical objections to the way federal tax dollars are spent? Does America honor the citizen conscience? No. This is the land of the debtor's prison for tax evaders, no matter the reason. But few object. Few remember why we had our first revolution. That's long in the past. Can we call it "tyranny" if most welcome it? Just don't call it "liberty."
When taxes - from every source - becomes (+/-) 50% of one's salary - you're entering the realm of a tax slave. These taxes, BTW, increase regularly and outpace any wage increase the average man may receive.
Who is to decide who has a legitimate ethical objection and who is just trying to avoid taxes? Is there any nation on earth where each individual can decide to pay taxes based upon their conscience?
Lets start with having lost the freedom to demonstrate civilly without being herded into a free speech zone, only to be overtly filmed by some s'bag in an attempt to intimidate.
Like Tim Guitner(sp)? He got in trouble by becoming the Sec of Treasury. A looting, and I do mean that correctly LOOTING, the citizens of this foolish country of thousands of dollars from every taxpayer. Now GS is rewarding, with Tim's help, the corrupt criminal enterprise mojos with mulitiple million dollar payoffs. Yes. let's all support this system, we are being put on a plantation as surely as were the slave from Africa two hundred years ago.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Maybe you need a better accountant.
Good start.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Not in America, land of the "free." Obviously we're no different from any other conformist nations. We use force to secure the compliant behavior of our subjects, just like any other country. We'll put citizens under our orderly boot heels if they will not comply. And most want it that way.
He got in trouble by becoming the Sec of Treasury. He had to pay the back taxes and interest.
Not a good answer, big government shill. FAIL.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm not talking about Federal taxes alone. Phoenix just instituted a 2% on food. Add that to all other 'hidden taxes' *plus* what the fed, state & local folks want and you're at or near 50%. It's about addition, not about a better accountant. How old are you again? You never did answer that question.
He got in trouble by becoming the Sec of Treasury. He had to pay the back taxes and interest. BOO HOO If my corporation games the system heavy penalties are involved, and it the Friqqing SOT doesn't know the fairly simple rules of houskeepers it shows he is fundamentally dishonest. He is an embaressment to the notion of fiscal integrity.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Were the Tea Party demonstrators who went to D.C. last year herded into a free speech zone? The free speech zones are usually set up for events like IMF meetings and political conventions. People can still protest, that freedom has not been taken away. I recall that when Obama was elected, people in cities all over the US went out into the streets to celebrate... without permits and without being herded into speech zones. The people in the video at the top of this post were out on the street and not in some speech zone. What's second on your list?
So you're an anarchist? You want no government? If people can avoid paying taxes based on their conscience, then we will have anarchy. Is that what you want?
No they were not. Because they are deluded befuddled supporters of the US Status Quo, and the mindless worship of the militerism of the US. You are good with that no doubt, because you are prollly on the gravy train.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You are approaching Neo Con Nuttery.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm guessing they were penned in to an area designated by the PTB and filmed no doubt. If you have more to add, please present it. I was filmed at a local one and proudly gave whomever it was the bird. That didn't happen in the 60s, but how would you know? Want more kid? How about the way the Bush adm. used the Pentagon's military analysts in a campaign to generate favourable news coverage of the Administration's wartime performance, an examination discovered by The New York Times? Stalin would blush at the boldness of such raw political propaganda.
Phoenix just instituted a 2% on food. Add that to all other 'hidden taxes' *plus* what the fed, state & local folks want and you're at or near 50%. It's about addition, not about a better accountant. How old are you again? You never did answer that question. I would agree that taxes everywhere are too high but talk of being a tax slave is a bit over the top. I'm not interested in discussing personal details but I'm over 30 and under 65.
If people can avoid paying taxes based on their conscience, then we will have anarchy. Is that what you want? Some accountabily. The USG has just started a war in another nation in the last few weeks. Since the other two were going so well.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Roger that.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Because they are deluded befuddled supporters of the US Status Quo, and the mindless worship of the militerism of the US. In other words, they were able to exercise their rights to free speech and assembly and free association without being herded into a speech zone.
Mmmm, walnut pancakes!!!! You give yet, Tom?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Tea Party protesters were all over DC and all over the national Mall. They were not herded into any zone. I'm still waiting to see what you can't do today that you could do 40 years ago.
He had to pay the back taxes which just proves my statement that if you don't pay your taxes you get in trouble.
You are correct. One can go into their closet, and close the closet door, and hold up a sign saying they do not support these endless wars for coporations for hours on end - that freedom has nor been taken away from them. You are a real Thomas Jefferson, MC. I think you could do well to apply as an internet enforcer in N Korea.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You must have missed the antiwar rallies that took place all over the US, including large ones in NYC and DC protesting Bush's war on Iraq. They were outside, by the way. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean they didn't happen.
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
They had a PERMIT and yes they were herded into a zone, specifically the zone granted by the PERMIT........some free speech and right to assemble.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You want more? How about buying a gun w/o an anal exam? Boarding a plane w/o being molested. Speaking w/o fear of someone yelling "hate speech." I just told you I can't assemble peaceably w/o some govt. flack filming me in an attempt to intimidate. Hello? Anybody home??? I also told you the MSM was in the tank with the past Administration in an attempt to shape my opinion of their illegal, immoral wars. I seriously doubt that stopped since Obama was selected. These examples jump all over my right to live in a free society that isn't shaped by government interference. Grow a pair kid. This government has become empowered 100 fold thanks to sheeple such as yourself who defend it's intrusion into my life, but I expect such nonsense from a 30-something.
And the result of this supposed increase in awareness is....? Nothing. You realize there is no way to measure how many people Alex Jones has allegedly made aware of the "two party fraud" but judging by the fact that the two party system is still intact, I'd say the number is most likely quite small.
We blame folks like you for allowing it to continue. "Hey buddy, what do you think about the apathy and ignorance most folks express when asked about corruption in government?" "Well, I don't know about it so, I don't care about it."
Nobody herded them, they walked through the streets and took the Metro on their own. They gathered on the Mall because having a protest in the ghettos of Southeast DC wouldn't have worked out so well. I'm talking about the 9/12 event. They assembled, they spoke. Nobody was shot. I don't think anyone was even arrested.
Or, he hasn't had them at the front door, yet. What is that famous quote... you don't see tyranny until you resist it.
How about buying a gun w/o an anal exam? If you received an anal exam when trying to buy a gun you should move to a different state. Boarding a plane w/o being molested. I've never been "molested" when going through airport security. You are resorting to hyperbole in an attempt to make a point which tells me your argument is weak. Speaking w/o fear of someone yelling "hate speech." If you're afraid to speak that's your choice, not a loss of freedom. If you don't see the difference your're hopless. I just told you I can't assemble peaceably w/o some govt. flack filming me in an attempt to intimidate. Hello? Anybody home??? I told you that tens of thousands of people did assemble peacefully in DC last year and they obviously weren't intimidated nor did they give a shit about being videotaped. You sound like a whiner. I also told you the MSM was in the tank with the past Administration in an attempt to shape my opinion of their illegal, immoral wars. I seriously doubt that stopped since Obama was selected. That's not a loss of freedom.
I'm always suspicious of so called conservatives who insist on arguing episodic minutia to derail 4um posters from talking and becoming friends.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Can you list the accomplishments that Alex Jones has achieved in the fight against tyranny? Waking people up doesn't matter unless it's yielded some concrete results.
Can you change my login name to "episodic minutia"?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I'm sure that'd be no problem, but you'll always be "Little Dakkie Honey Bunny" to us.
Reminds me of a story told by the ancient egyptians: Eye, bird, boat, sun, bird, bird...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Adios pant load. Life is too short.
I'd love to see that list. Forty years ago, I could buy four gallons of gas for a dollar bill or, a silver dollar. They were the same to me, four quarters, a dollar or a silver dollar... all the same. A dollar was close to an ounce of silver. Today, it takes ten or twelve of those pieces of paper to do that, yet, the silver dollar will still get me those four gallons. Somehow, someone made my paper money less valuable than it was. In order for them to do that, the backing by gold and silver had to be dropped and allowing bills to be printed up without the precious asset to back it. Who had the power to pull such a scam? Who benefitted all these years slowly devaluing the paper we call money? Tyrants. Who suffers? We do. Therefore, all of us have suffered under tyranny. Some see it and some don't. Acknowledged or not, it is there.
Now that's funny. I'll bet at least 1-in- 100,000 Uhhmerkkins is clever enough to figure that out.
Get back to me when you can actually list all the things you can't do today that you could do 40 years ago.
Anchors away clean, adios MFer
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
Yes One by One. A LOT of folks I deal with Know somethings wrong. A Lot.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm too lazy to undertake any of this, but damnit it DOES look so easy to start a cult and get rich, is it possible even quiet desperation athiests will finally master psych101 parlour tricks and oust the really, really, really fucking retarded?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. How about 45 years? Buy a gun mail order Live in a wetback free society Walk in any neighborhood at any time of day Speak English in Miami and LA Not be involved in a meaningless foreign war Only need one person to work to support a family Drive without insurance (if you wanted to) That's just for starters!
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
I could argue that devaluation is the destiny of every fiat currency but that's not because of tyranny. You're not being oppressed because you can't buy 4 gallons of milk with a dollar bill.
Wow, you milked that one for all it was worth, chum! Can I get a WHODAT?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I'm talking about the 9/12 event. They assembled, they spoke. Nobody was shot. I don't think anyone was even arrested. Balony......you are herded off the sidewalks in DC for crying out loud. There is enforcement at every turn. I know what you are talking about. Nobody was shot.....plenty were arrested, as usual for PERMIT protests in DC. Here's a short list of charges you can be slapped with while exercising your right to assemble: A. DC Charges Incommoding. This is blocking vehicle or pedestrian traffic on the streets, sidewalks, and other walkways. This is by far the most common charge we see when protestors sit down in the street. Sidewalks are trickier because you generally have a right to engage in free speech activities on the public sidewalks; but if you so clog them that no one else can use the sidewalks, you might be charged with incommoding. Maximum penalty is a $250 fine and/or 90 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1107. The charge of disorderly conduct is essentially the same. DC Code § 22-1121. Note that Obstructing bridges connecting DC and Virginia is punishable by an additional fine of at least $1,000 and up to $5,000, and/or up to 30 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1123. Failure to obey a Police Officer. Often called "failure to disperse," this charge is possible when the police decide to close a street or clear a path and you refuse to move. The order they give you must be "lawful," which means that if the police issue an unconstitutional order, there is no offense in ignoring it. But police authority is very broad and we won’t know if the order was unconstitutional until trial. If the order turns out to have been lawful and you failed to obey it, you can be fined $100-$1,000. DC Muni. Reg. §§ 18-2000.2 & 2000.10. Unlawful entry on property (trespassing). Remaining on private property after being told to leave is punishable by a fine up to $100 and/or up to 6 months in jail. For government buildings and the surrounding land, there must be some reason that you have been asked to leave, such as to prevent disruption or to maintain security. DC Code § 22-3102. Resisting or interfering with a police officer is a violation of the same law as assault on a police officer (below). You may not stand in the path of an officer (especially if they are trying to make an arrest) or pull away from them or help another person to pull away from an officer trying to make an arrest. In addition to violating this law (which is quite serious in itself -- up to 5 years), you may be charged with aiding and abetting (below). Resisting arrest is unlawful even if the officer has no rightful basis for arresting you. Failure to appear. If you have ever been arrested before and did not come to court when instructed to do so, there is a possibility that a warrant will have been issued for your arrest for "failure to appear." Outstanding warrants of this kind from other parts of the country may or may not show up during processing, depending on how thoroughly the jurisdiction where you were arrested has sought the assistance of other jurisdictions. It is best, and probably likeliest, to assume that the authorities here will know if you skipped a court date anywhere else in the country. Failure to appear for a DC court date is a separate offense, so beyond the penalties for whatever you were first arrested for, you can be fined up to the maximum for that offense, and/or an additional 180 days in jail. If you were originally booked on a felony charge, failure to appear is punishable by up to 5 years. DC Code § 22-1110(3)- (4). False statement. This can come up with forms you are asked to complete before being released. If you put something untrue on a form that says making a false statement is punishable by criminal penalties, you can be fined $1,000 and/or be sentenced to 180 days in jail. DC Code § 22-2514. The following charges are inconsistent with compliance with the Nonviolence Code of Conduct that everyone involved in the A16 action has agreed to follow. We therefore do not expect to see these, but mention them in case of overcharging by the police. All participants in this particular action are asked to agree to these action guidelines. Having this basic agreement allows people from many backgrounds, movements, and beliefs to work together. They are not philosophical or political requirements or judgments about the validity of some tactics over others. These guidelines are basic agreements that create a basis for trust so that we can work together for this action and know what to expect from each other. 1) We will use no violence, physical or verbal, towards any person 2) We will carry no weapons 3) We will not bring or use any alcohol or illegal drugs 4) We will not destroy property Assault on a Police Officer. Any unwanted touching of a police officer is an assault. Touching anything they are holding (nightstick, bullhorn, etc.) is the same as touching the officer. Same for throwing anything at an officer, even if you only accidentally hit them. This is a serious offense, a felony, with a possible $5,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison. DC Code § 22-505. Destruction of property. Less than $250 in damage is a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum $1,000 fine and/or 180 days in jail. More than $250 in damage is a felony, with a maximum penalty of a $5,000 fine and/or 10 years in prison. DC Code § 22-403. Even if there is no "destruction," there is a separate crime of defacing public or private property. DC Code § 22-3112.1. Also, you should know that these charges exist, although it would be very unusual to see them brought against protestors: Kidnapping. It is possible to be convicted of kidnapping for confining someone against their will, even without transporting them anywhere. Be very careful about blocking all the exits of hotels and offices. It is an extremely serious offense -- you can be sentenced to life imprisonment. Rioting or inciting to riot. A group that acts violently and creates "grave danger" of injury or property damage can be fined up to $1,000 and/or sentenced to 180 days in jail. If anyone is harmed or if more than $5,000 in damage occurs, everyone to urged others to take part can receive up to 10 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine. Aiding and Abetting. We have not seen this charge used much, but it is possible that if you help someone commit a crime, you can be charged even if you do not take any actions personally. If you assist them before the crime is committed, you can be charged with the same offense. DC Code § 22-105. If you assist the person after they have committed the crime, you can receive a penalty up to half of the maximum they are subject to. DC Code § 22-106. Conspiracy. Similar to aiding and abetting, when two or more people work together to do something illegal, they can both be charged with the additional offense of conspiracy. Maximum punishment is a $10,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison. DC Code § 22-105a. Unlawful assembly; profane and indecent language. Most jurisdictions have laws like this on the books. As applied to political protest and speech, they are generally unconstitutional and unenforceable. Only individuals in the crowd who become violent or threatening can be convicted under this law. Maximum punishment is $250 fine or 90 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1107. Obstruction of justice. Interfering with a police officer is illegal. Please see resisting or interfering with a police officer above, as the conduct described there is a serious crime. However, bad television has confused some people as to what "obstruction of justice" means. It is not illegal to tell someone being arrested to keep quiet, to ask for a lawyer, etc. It only becomes obstruction of justice if you threaten a witness, intending to intimidate them into refusing to testify truthfully, or if you destroy evidence. DC Code § 22- 722(a) & 723. You never have to talk to the police. Sometimes a prosecutor might be able to subpoena you, but then you will have an official document ordering you to answer questions, and you will have time to get legal assistance before doing so. Absent an arrest, you do not even have to identify yourself to the police. B. Possible federal charges Finally, there are various federal laws that might come into play in a city like Washington. Demonstrations in most parks in this city are regulated by 36 C.F.R. § 7.96(g), which specifies when permits are required and what types of activity are prohibited. Violating any of those rules is punishable by fines and up to six months in jail, under 36 C.F.R. § 1.3. Destruction of federal property is a serious crime. If you do anything less than $1,000 in damage it is punishable by a fine and/or up to 1 year in prison; more serious damage can lead to up to 10 years in prison. Assault on a foreign official (maximum 3 years for simple assault and up to 10 years if a weapon is used; 18 U.S.C. § 112(a)) and intimidation or harassment of a foreign official (up to 6 months in jail; 18 U.S.C. § 112(b)) protect the person, accommodation, and car of any "official guest." Some people have expressed concern that the government may designate the IMF and World Bank buildings "foreign missions." Please know that this changes nothing. You have the same First Amendment rights when protesting outside an embassy or foreign mission as you do anywhere else. It is still lawful to peaceably congregate and express your political views. During the apartheid era, some people were arrested under laws specific to embassies and foreign missions. Many parts of those laws were declared unconstitutional in 1988 in Boos v. Barry and have since been repealed. The sections regarding congregations were not struck down, but were severely limited. The US Supreme Court ruled that police authority to order such a gathering to disperse when "is limited to groups posing a security threat." When a group is posing a security threat, the police can order it to disperse whether it’s a foreign mission or a supermarket or anything else. There might be different laws that come into play here, but what you can and cannot do lawfully is not altered by the designation of an area as a foreign mission. A few people have speculated that the government may use the foreign mission designation as an excuse for creating a "secured zone" around the building, but the truth is that they have the same authority and constitutional limits on authority to do this regardless of whether or not it is a foreign mission or just private property. If the designation "foreign mission" is used, its purpose is probably to cause confusion and discomfort -- it can’t do much more. Assaulting, resisting or impeding a federal official is similar to the DC laws discussed above, except there are maximum punishments of 1 to 10 years, depending on whether a weapon was used. 18 U.S.C. § 111. Finally, the constitutional limitations and exceptions for violating the rules or regulations of a federal building (maximum 30 days and/or a $50 fine) are the same as the similar charges under DC laws listed above. Two other bits of information: The police do not have to say anything to you upon arrest, including telling you your "rights" or what you are being arrested for. Absent an arrest situation, if a police officer approaches you (on the street, for instance) and asks you to identify yourself, you do not have to do so. There is no requirement generally that individuals identify themselves to police officers or carry identification cards (except while driving). If this happens to you, politely decline to identify yourself and ask the officer if you are under arrest or if you are free to leave. If he/she responds that you are free to leave, do so. This is as true for 9-12 protesters as it is for PETA. All of these fines and offences are a good money maker for DC. You are naive if you fail to aknowledge this truth.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
Prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
My brother went to the New Haven IRS office today to submint back-tax forms. The building apparently contains Social Security, Bankruptcy Court, and EPA Enforcement, among others. He went through a "standup" metal detector, then a body scanner, then a "wand" treatment. He had to remove all metal, including his belt, and pass it through an x-ray machine. He mentioned that he'd return covered in a shower curtain next time. The examiners were amused, but the "guys with guns" didn't seem to be. The office didn't have a directory posted. He saw a number of people go down a corridor before the elevators so he started to follow them when a guard called out and told him that he wasn't allowed to go there. He stated that there was no sign advising such. He asked where he should go to file his taxes. The guard said "The third floor." This building has offices of Social Security, IRS, EPA Enforcement, probably others. He entered the elevator and discoverd that the floor buttons were labled as to the various offices in the building. Questions: Why was there no directory for this building? Why was there no signs warning "Employees Only?" I'll tell you about freedom since you seem to be ignorant. In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. That is what you don't "get." Was my brother more "free" for that "exam?" In the late 1980's I went to the local law library. I put all of my metal objects into a container and then stepped through a metal detector. The metal objects were keys and a pocket knife. A few months ago I went to the same law library and I wasn't allowed to put anything into a container because there was no longer a container provided; I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom?
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event. If you know of any reports of arrests you should share them. Good luck.
You read the list of offences and fines.....shall every one be reported to FOX? I provided the list, yet you claim that there were no arrests for hundreds of thousands of people. Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause? Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency?
Why was there no directory for this building? So a poorly marked government building is an example of a loss of freedom? In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. You can still fly from Cleveland to Hartford today. That security has increased doesn't deprive you of the freedom to travel. I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom? You don't have the freedom to take anything you want onto property you do not own. Don't you believe in property rights?
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute. If you know of any arrests made at the event, post the information.
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That fact that you are making a claim that you cannot prove is blatently obvious. Just because you claim it is so because FOX didn't cough up a news report doesn't prove anything. I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending. That's plenty to dispute your claim that not one person was arrested. You do not need to be an actuary to make a logical assessment that there were arrests at the event.......you simply need to be honest, but that seems real hard for you Mister Clean. You claim no arrests......so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think we have been rude and much too hard on you. Besides, what is the harm in allowing one more moron to continue believing he is free? After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron. Ahhh, to have the mindset of a twelve year old, truly my friends, that would be freedom of a sort, me thinks. Knock, knock, knock... "Hey, can you come out and play, there's no school tomorrow?" "You bet, I haven't got anything else to do."
Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency? The cause of currency devaluation is myriad. Poor fiscal policy is probably the number one cause but poor fiscal policy is not tyranny. I suspect that for some on this message board "tyranny" means something they don't agree with. The purpose of a fiat currency is to free it from any tangible backing like gold so that it can be manipulated easier by the central bank and government. Could that be abused? Of course. Does that automatically equal tyranny? No.
A list of offenses is not a list of arrests. You can make all the assessments you wish but without any record, without any reports, they're nothing more than your assessments. If you know of any arrests at the 9/12 event, post the information.
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If you still listen to Alex Jones and take him seriously you are indeed a moron.
Does that automatically equal tyranny? No. Yes it does. You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson: "Paper is poverty... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." "That paper money has some advantages is admitted. But that its abuses also are inevitable and, by breaking up the measure of value, makes a lottery of all private property, cannot be denied." "Private fortunes, in the present state of our circulation, are at the mercy of those self-created money lenders, and are prostrated by the floods of nominal money with which their avarice deluges us." I've only posted his simpler quotes, just so that you might understand them. If you can't see the parallels to today, then you're beyond hope of understanding. But, that isn't your purpose, is it?
Gee, do I have the freedom to do that?
Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 Of course, you could say that the New Jersey policeman is a plant. And the Old lady is a plant.
Gee, do I have the freedom to do that? What? To do what? Please be specific.
If a bear craps in the woods but nobody bothered to report the crapping to FOX, then no crapping occured.......lol. First you claim there were no designated areas......which was BS because every permit protest designates them. Now you claim no arrests for hundereds of thousands of people and refuse to back up your claims. You're full of crap Mister Clean.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We're talking about the 9/12/2009 Tea Party event in DC.
The absence of news reports that mention any arrests is more proof than your "assessments." If you have any information about any arrests, post that information.
Why was there no directory for this building? So a poorly marked government building is an example of a loss of freedom? Answer the question: Why was there no directory for this building? In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. You can still fly from Cleveland to Hartford today. That security has increased doesn't deprive you of the freedom to travel. You don't want to understand what freedom is, do you? Why is there an increase in security? Submitting to "security" is a loss of freedom. What is it that you don't understand? Submitting isn't Freeedom. I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom? You don't have the freedom to take anything you want onto property you do not own. Don't you believe in property rights? I believe in property rights. Who owns state libraries? The State? Who is the State? Show me the being that is the State. My point was not your diversion into property rights but the increase of the lack of freedom. But you knew that.
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"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
you sure do have an obsession with Alex Jones. i think you're the one who takes him far more seriously than the rest of us.
Go polish some neocon knobbery.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Agreed. It's not tyranny. It's corruption and bullying. Corruption is a precursor to tyranny. They have the tyrannical tools in the toolbox ready to be used against us. They practice using them on occasion. The tyranny is coming.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's not tyranny. It's corruption and bullying. Corruption is a precursor to tyranny. Exactly! I think a lot of people on this site and elsewhere are inaccurately labeling corruption and bullying as "tyranny." To call airport security measures tyranny is to water down the word and what it represents. They have the tyrannical tools in the toolbox ready to be used against us. They practice using them on occasion. The tyranny is coming. Yes, I could see that happening especially if that long predicted economic collapse finally arrives and the social order breaks down. I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
You don't want to understand what freedom is, do you? Why is there an increase in security? Submitting to "security" is a loss of freedom. What is it that you don't understand? Submitting isn't Freeedom. After 9/11 you actually ask why there's an increase in security? I believe in property rights. Who owns state libraries? The State? Who is the State? Show me the being that is the State. Does the state not enjoy property rights? If you feel so strongly about your desire to carry a USB stick and pocket knife into a public library, you can lobby your state government to change. If you believe that freedom means you can do anything you want anywhere you want you are the one who doesn't understand freedom. Anarchy isn't freedom and anarchy is not what the men who created this nation had in mind.
Alex Jones is the topic of this thread. Duh!
Who gives a shit? I don't.
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is. We need quality, but added numbers of people would be nice. IMO we can take care of any antisocial behavior ourselves. I despise criminals with and without badges. They make themselves targets. And, we shoot better than they do.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I see civil unrest as the most likely trigger for the imposition of real tyranny in America. It could come as the result of a large scale terror attack as well but I think that's much, much less likely.
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now.
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now. Brother Nathaniel wrote an article questioning Alex's being soft on Zionism and in the process mentioned that Alex's wife was Jewish asking the question as to whether that was the cause, and whether Alex's behavior towards Israel and Zionism was the effect. Jeff linked to the article and Alex went off in a foaming rage calling Rense personally and threatening to "Destroy Him" (per Jeff) and then contacted Ted Anderson who under pressure from his meal ticket for Genesis immediately canceled Jeff's program. (Given the speed with which Rense was cancelled - within 24 hours of the linking I am inclined to believe Jeff's account. I have never caught him in a lie and I have been listening to him almost continuously since he first came on the air - he originally had more of an Art Bell Schtick but intellectually superior. I was on the "frequent caller plant" as at that time he took calls. Interestingly Art, Clear Channel, Bell has attacked Rense as well.) Just reading between the lines I think that there was already some bad blood there. Alex had been doing a monthly slot with Jeff, which I enjoyed immensely as they balance each other - Jeff is too mellow and Alex too bombastic - and that suddenly, without any warning or comment by Jeff, ceased. Now the last day that he was scheduled I happened to be listening to Alex's show and he set up the break by saying he had too many commitments and was going start cutting back some beginning that night - the night he was scheduled to be on Rense. Jeff made no comments about it but just scheduled someone else for the slot. I would note that Jeff has a large audience and I believe it was growing significantly while he was on Genesis. Up to that point Jeff had increasingly been getting censored and shut out of markets because of his tough stance on Zionism. He was, I believe, the number one show in his slot in my area and on a 50,000 Watt Station which abruptly cancelled him to put the strictly second tier Phil Hendry on in his place. While I sometimes find Brother Nathaniel a bit "over the top" he nevertheless raises some interesting questions which have some backing - at least circumstantially. Here is a link to the article by Brother Nathaniel: Is Alex Jones a Zionist Shill?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
thanks so much!
wow, i just reread Jeff's email detailing the event.
You are most welcome.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#2. To: TommyTheMadArtist, scrapper2, christine, Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, abraxas, mirage, Horse, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, All (#1)
#3. To: randge (#2)
Jones spends too much time exulting at the "sun and the trees and the sky and the wonders of the universe" and in his own "wisdom"
#4. To: randge, TommyTheMadArtist, all (#0)
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He is NOT relevant. He is a puppet, and if anyone actually believes he isn't, shame on you for not using the brain God gave you.
#5. To: randge (#0)
#6. To: randge (#0)
Most interested in your comments.
#7. To: randge (#0)
#8. To: randge, All (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: PSUSA. all (#4)
#10. To: PSUSA (#4)
It's quite brilliant.
#11. To: randge (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: randge (#0)
Most interested in your comments.
Lord Acton
#13. To: christine (#5)
#14. To: randge (#13)
Both of us have tried to mediate some of the anger and mistrust directed at Jones at times.
#15. To: farmfriend (#3)
#16. To: randge (#0)
#17. To: Eric Stratton (#15)
#18. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)
Not really.
#19. To: PSUSA (#16)
He really stepped in it. This could get to be bigger than his bullshit uber-announcement regarding the Sheen interviewing Obama fraud.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: PSUSA (#16)
He really stepped in it
#21. To: christine, PSUSA (#20)
i have to agree. he needs to man up to this.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#22. To: randge (#0)
#23. To: christine (#20)
#24. To: farmfriend (#17)
#25. To: ALL YOU ALEX JONES SHEEPLE (#0)
#26. To: FormerLurker (#21)
#27. To: PSUSA All (#23)
reply posted on 27-1-2010 @ 10:52 AM by Flakey
#28. To: PSUSA (#23)
I know from being here that you are a really nice person and would no doubt give people the benefit of the doubt,
#29. To: randge, ALL (#27)
[11:13:51 AM] Debbie: and were commenting about it to john & catherine
[11:13:58 AM] Debbie: SEE???
[11:14:04 AM] Debbie: the ptb can see that we are divided
[11:14:07 AM] Debbie: this is horrible
#30. To: christine (#26)
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so you're convinced it's not ego. he's doing what he's told to do.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: PSUSA, christine, all (#23)
#32. To: All (#29)
#33. To: Mister Clean (#25)
For a long time I've been telling you Alex Jones followers, you sheeple who take him seriously, that your hero was fraud and a clown.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#24)
Like I said, he puts out some good, or at least thought inducing/interesting stuff, but he puts out about as much misinformation, and the reasons for that are not completely clear.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: All (#34)
blogcritics.org/politics/...jones-is-still-a-jackass/
#36. To: PSUSA, randge, TommyTheMadArtist, farmfriend, christine, ratcat, CadetD, all (#4)
Our "leaders" know that a certain segment will see thru their BS. Those people still need to be contained. Jones contains them. He does that by telling some truth to gather extremely loyal followers. But when a reaction is desired from his followers, he lies, he disrupts, he makes his followers look like fools by spreading his bad information. We get lumped in with his followers and that decreases OUR effectiveness. It's quite brilliant.
#37. To: christine (#35)
For more video of this event taken by Catherine Bleish see here and here.
#38. To: christine (#35)
Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little Hitler in the making and that type doesn't like to be left on the sidelines. He has the "rule or ruin" attitude where if he's not in charge and doesn't have all eyes focused on him then he will cause chaos and destruction and to hell with everyone else and the important issue which they may have been protesting.
#39. To: christine (#35)
For more video of this event taken by Catherine Bleish see here and here.
#40. To: christine, randge, TwentTwelve, all (#35)
#41. To: randge (#0)
#42. To: christine, Jethro tull, All (#35)
"Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little Hitler in the making"
#43. To: christine, randge, TwentTwelve, all (#41)
#44. To: Cynicom (#42)
"Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little Hitler in the making"
#45. To: christine, All (#35)
Not only that, but Jones was rude to everyone, including those who tried to invite him to become a program participant, called Catherine Bleish a "cointelpro" agent provocateur and ranted on and on about the NWO and various issues completely unrelated to the purpose of the protest, while surrounded by his personal videographers and thuglike followers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: Original_Intent (#44)
as Hitler has been planted in our common popular culture.
#47. To: Original_Intent, christine, randge, TwentTwelve (#40)
I think this barging in actually suggests something else - despite Jones the Liberty Movement is growing in directions not under the NWO control umbrella. As Jones is marginalized he loses effectiveness as an agent, and as the movement grows without an agent at the helm it becomes less controllable. Conclusion: Jone's bosses are getting a little concerned over the loss of control.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: Cynicom (#42)
Jones clearly has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and has all the earmarks of a little... Stalin... in the making
#49. To: Original_Intent (#36)
#50. To: All (#32)
#51. To: PSUSA (#49)
I especially see the 2nd tactic as being more obvious. You cant be alert 24/7.
I think he is aware of what he's doing. I think he is many things, but he isn't stupid. You don't pull a stunt, like he did at that demonstration, on a whim. It was deliberate. It had to have been.
#52. To: FormerLurker, christine, randge, TwentTwelve, all (#47)
Alex and his handlers apparently overlooked the fact that YouTube is WAY more popular than his website, and that he doesn't control what goes on there.
#53. To: christine (#50)
#54. To: Original_Intent (#52)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: FormerLurker (#54)
I think the former is more probable than the latter.
#56. To: christine (#32)
Here's the archive of Rise Up Radio with John and Catherine this morning:
#57. To: Original_Intent (#55)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker (#57)
#59. To: randge, Original_Intent, christine (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: ugh (#59)
#61. To: christine. ugh (#60)
#62. To: christine, ratcat (#60)
a guy just called alex and thanked him for organizing the event yesterday and alex didn't give tribute to the real organizers. his only comment was that it was wonderful the number of people who showed up. that call gave him the opportunity to set the record straight and to apologize. the fact that he didn't says it all. :/
#63. To: Lod (#61)
#64. To: Original_Intent (#62)
He blew his cover - big time.
#65. To: FormerLurker (#33)
So you may have been right in terms of him being a fraud, but the REASONS you were calling him that was because of some of the things he said which were RIGHT.
#66. To: Cynicom, Original_Intent (#64)
He blew his cover - big time.
#67. To: TwentyTwelve, Cynicom (#66)
He blew his cover - big time.
#68. To: Cynicom (#63)
#69. To: FormerLurker randge, christine (#59)
In the first video, observe the guy in the blue shirt walking behind Jones at 2:23 into the video. At 2:28 he breaks left from Jone's entourage and heads discreetly into the crowd.
#70. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#67)
He blew his cover - big time.
#71. To: TwentyTwelve (#70)
#72. To: Lod, Cynicom (#68)
Gotta keep the faux left/right paradigm thing going on, whatever the cost.
#73. To: TwentyTwelve (#72)
#74. To: christine, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#60)
a guy just called alex and thanked him for organizing the event yesterday and alex didn't give tribute to the real organizers. his only comment was that it was wonderful the number of people who showed up. that call gave him the opportunity to set the record straight and to apologize. the fact that he didn't says it all. :/
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Cynicom (#70)
Likely he'll try to act as though it reveals nothing, he won't mention it, and if some callers bring it up he'll cut them off and then go on a rant about how "everybody's out to get him".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: FormerLurker, christine, Original_Intent, Lod (#74)
a guy just called alex and thanked him for organizing the event yesterday and alex didn't give tribute to the real organizers. his only comment was that it was wonderful the number of people who showed up. that call gave him the opportunity to set the record straight and to apologize. the fact that he didn't says it all. :/
#77. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, Cynicom (#75)
Likely he'll try to act as though it reveals nothing, he won't mention it, and if some callers bring it up he'll cut them off and then go on a rant about how "everybody's out to get him".
#78. To: christine (#60)
a guy just called alex and thanked him for organizing the event yesterday and alex didn't give tribute to the real organizers. his only comment was that it was wonderful the number of people who showed up. that call gave him the opportunity to set the record straight and to apologize. the fact that he didn't says it all. :/
Lord Acton
#79. To: randge, christine, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker (#0)
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#80. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
Lord Acton
#81. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
#82. To: randge. all (#81)
#83. To: Lod.all (#82)
This would never have happened if the gutless sheriff of Travis country had informed the feds that their presence was not required here, and to go back to their ten square miles and stay
#84. To: Lod (#82)
#85. To: Cynicom (#83)
#86. To: HOUNDDAWG (#79)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
#87. To: Lod (#85)
#88. To: Eric Stratton (#24)
So he comes with a caveat emptor warning for those that want to view his shit.
#89. To: Cynicom (#83)
#90. To: All (#89)
#91. To: randge (#0)
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#92. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
#93. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: christine (#90)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: christine (#90)
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#96. To: randge (#0)
#97. To: Critter, christine (#95)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#98. To: FormerLurker (#97)
The more I listen to that audio the more I smell a compulsive liar.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#99. To: christine (#90)
#100. To: Critter (#98)
he is totally owned.
#101. To: Critter (#98)
maybe compulsive asshole
#102. To: Critter (#98)
The more I listen to that audio the more I smell a compulsive liar.
#103. To: FormerLurker, Critter, christine (#97)
Did you hear his story about snipers on the rooftops, and his encounter at a Waco protest where he claims that cops had guns aimed him?
#104. To: TwentyTwelve (#103)
#105. To: TwentyTwelve (#103)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#106. To: Cynicom (#104)
Jones has a penchant for using "I". Not to be trusted.
#107. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#105)
He sounds like the typical pathological liar if you ask me.
#108. To: TwentyTwelve (#107)
The ultimate question is who is his handler?
#109. To: noone222 (#99)
#110. To: christine (#109)
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government)
#111. To: christine, noone222 (#109)
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government) who organized the event. Deborah ran PSAs on 90.1 here in Austin for 3 days prior and they sent the press release to Alex. They also invited him to speak and he declined.
#112. To: christine, noone222 (#109)
(Edited)
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government) who organized the event. Deborah ran PSAs on 90.1 here in Austin for 3 days prior and they sent the press release to Alex. They also invited him to speak and he declined.
#113. To: Cynicom (#110)
#114. To: Cynicom. Texans at heart (#87)
#115. To: Cynicom. all (#110)
Perhaps that group is not controlled and is considered to be a peoples movement???
#116. To: Lod (#115)
#117. To: Critter, All (#91)
He just lost my $5.95 a month.
#118. To: randge (#117)
We'll be looking for other sources of alternative audio/video.
#119. To: christine, randge, Cynicom, all (#118)
#120. To: Lod (#119)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#120)
The question is who got to him.
#122. To: Cynicom, christine (#110)
It was John Bush (Texans for Accountable Government)
#123. To: Cynicom (#121)
#124. To: randge, christine (#13)
Both of us have tried to mediate some of the anger and mistrust directed at Jones at times.
#125. To: scooter (#124)
But it is fairly obvious he has a god complex and he's convinced he is the all holy and infallible prophet of the patriot movement.
#126. To: christine, scooter (#125)
i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter
#127. To: Lod (#9)
Alex would have done well to have left his bull-horn at the office Monday.
#128. To: christine (#125)
i still don't believe that he's a government op. i do think it's all about him and his films and the fact that he has to be numero uno patriot as you said, scooter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#129. To: christine, scooter, TwentyTwelve (#125)
i still don't believe that he's a government op.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#130. To: FormerLurker, christine, scooter (#129)
i still don't believe that he's a government op.
#131. To: christine (#109)
#132. To: randge (#0)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#133. To: All (#132)
agent provocateur
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#134. To: wudidiz, all concerned people (#133)
Disruptor. Kinda stupid too in a sociopathic way. A megalomaniac.
#135. To: scooter (#124)
His responses are that he doesn't care and that she's hard for him. Wow. Just wow.
#136. To: noone222 (#134)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#137. To: noone222, scooter (#135)
I too think he was there to get footage for his next flick.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#138. To: PSUSA (#18)
That bastard had me fooled once too.
#139. To: noone222 (#131)
He was wrong and if he knew in advance that those folks were going to be there, and he was invited by them to speak ... he owes them an apology.
#140. To: Mister Clean, iconoclast, noone222, all (#139)
(Edited)
This is not the time to fragment the resistance to tyranny.
#141. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
Lord Acton
#142. To: PSUSA (#140)
We are unified, but only in purpose, not behind a leader that is either a traitor, and/or a ego maniacal sociopath, and/or just an asshole. It doesn't matter what he is, it's not good.
#143. To: PSUSA (#140)
I bet you got the same reactions I got. You can prove it to them, but they never deal in proof but emotions. You can show the lies, but they won't ever admit it.
#144. To: iconoclast (#142)
But where are the Washingtons, Madisons, Jeffersons .........?
#145. To: Mister Clean (#143)
(Edited)
#146. To: christine (#90)
Please listen to the last 5 mins of Alex's show where he comments about the protest. I'd like your opinion on what he had to say.
Lord Acton
#147. To: PSUSA (#145)
I don't know. I think they see it, like I started to see it. I think they have an emotional investment in him and a weird sense of personal loyalty and that keeps them from taking it to the next level.
#148. To: Mister Clean (#147)
Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world.
#149. To: Mister Clean, PSUSA, all (#143)
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
#150. To: FormerLurker (#128)
Either way, would it make him any less dangerous?
#151. To: iconoclast. all (#142)
My God, look, if you can stand it, at our last four presidents.
#152. To: randge (#27)
The rally was organized by the We Are Change Austin people.
#153. To: randge, christine (#0)
#154. To: Dakmar (#153)
#155. To: christine (#154)
#156. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#157. To: Critter (#156)
#158. To: Critter (#156)
#159. To: Dakmar, christine (#155)
#160. To: Critter, Jethro Tull (#156)
That was the jist of the email I sent to him after I canceled my subscription to his site.
Lord Acton
#161. To: Deasy (#159)
#162. To: Dakmar (#161)
#163. To: Deasy (#162)
--A drunk was in front of a judge. The judge says, "You've been brought here for drinking." The drunk says "Okay, let's get started."
#164. To: ThreeShoesPosse (#152)
This rally was actually organized by John Bush and Texans For Accountable Government. (www.tagtexas.org).
#165. To: randge (#0)
#166. To: randge (#2)
What he did here is an extreme discourtesy to the folks.
#167. To: PSUSA (#4)
That worthless son of a bitch purposefully disrupted this demonstration.
#168. To: christine (#5)
their disgust with his rudeness.
#169. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
I wondered why he couldn't wait until they called on him if he was scheduled to speak.
#170. To: randge (#27)
they invited him up to the front but he did not accept that invitation
#171. To: wakeup (#168)
#172. To: Original_Intent (#38)
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis
#173. To: James Deffenbach (#80)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?
#174. To: Cynicom (#87)
if a large state such as Texas were to tell the Feds to buzz off.
#175. To: noone222 (#96)
Alex was out of line and a disruption. He let his ego and impatience get the best of him. Sad.
#176. To: christine (#109)
They also invited him to speak and he declined.
#177. To: christine (#125)
he has to be numero uno patriot
#178. To: TwentyTwelve (#130)
Alex does not want anyone else entrenching on his territory.
#179. To: Mister Clean (#143)
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
#180. To: christine, wakeup (#171)
that's why i don't believe he's an op or dirty as you said above. i really think it was ego. i think it was a photo op for him with local media and that he was obtaining footage to include in a future documentary, but as FormerLurker pointed out above, that personality flaw severely hurts his credibility, trustworthiness, and even makes him dangerous. the fallout and dissention in our 'patriot' community when something like this happens saddens me.
#181. To: christine (#171)
(Edited)
#182. To: All (#181)
(Edited)
#183. To: christine (#5)
#184. To: bluegrass (#183)
(Edited)
Alex Jones
#185. To: wakeup (#184)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#186. To: All (#185)
(Edited)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#187. To: All (#186)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#188. To: wakeup (#173)
Yep, he is too smart to blow cover, loose audience and credibility with a damn camera on him.
Lord Acton
#189. To: wudidiz (#187)
#190. To: wakeup (#184)
"The Saudis own Hollywood."
Alex Jones
#191. To: bluegrass (#190)
#192. To: bluegrass (#190)
His finest moment.
#193. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
If AJ is to salvage his reputation he'll have to take time off, acknowledge his misconduct and ask forgiveness. If he doesn't do this, I'll consider him to have moved to the other side.
#194. To: wakeup (#179)
#195. To: Mister Clean (#193)
(Edited)
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#196. To: Mister Clean (#193)
Some of you people should have listened to me years ago when I told you the guy was a fraud.
#197. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
#198. To: noone222 (#197)
#199. To: Itistoolate (#191)
#200. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
#201. To: Jethro Tull (#198)
#202. To: randge (#200)
That said, AJ is hard to listen to. I, for one, find the clowning and low comedy tooth grindingly hard to endure. There's the hillbilly cop, the faux Brit aristo voice, the ninnying lib bit. For all his great memory and grasp of the many threads in a story and the depth and breadth of most of his guests, many listeners are scared to death to introduce anyone else to his show for fear that he'll go off at any moment into one of his self indulgent rants.
#203. To: Itistoolate (#191)
die kill ~~ Me
#204. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
This is a rough house to preach to. We're very capable of making our own minds up. I'm limiting my criticism to Jones based on this incident. I've said his conduct was an embarrassment, but that said, we're human and we all have bad days. Time will tell if this was one or something more. Given the faulty human condition we all display from time to time, the future of Jones is up to himself and a forgiving portion of his audience.
#205. To: randge (#200)
That said, AJ is hard to listen to
#206. To: Jethro Tull (#205)
#207. To: Jethro Tull, PSUSA, Mister Clean, Critter, randge, noone222 (#196)
#208. To: christine (#207)
i'm not willing to say or believe he's a complete fraud though. for the most part, i listen to his show for the guests he brings on and the discussions of current events.
#209. To: christine (#207)
die kill ~~ Me
#210. To: randge (#206)
Who do you recommend at this time, Jethro?
#211. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#1)
Any questions folks as to why anyone would actually believe in Alex Jones?
#212. To: PSUSA (#209)
#213. To: christine (#207)
having said that, if he never addresses it or offers an apology (he should have already), that pretty much shows his true character which is megalomania, imo
#214. To: irishthatcherite (#211)
die kill ~~ Me
#215. To: PSUSA (#214)
#216. To: Jethro Tull (#212)
(Edited)
People like us will never get behind one leader. It's not in our nature. We might all get behind concepts and movements, but individual leaders? Not likely.
die kill ~~ Me
#217. To: PSUSA (#214)
YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
#218. To: PSUSA (#214)
He has Special forces following him around, just looking for the right opportunity to whack him!!!!!!!!
#219. To: PSUSA, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, irishthatcherite (#209)
I have to ask myself why he does that, because it is done intentionally.
#220. To: irishthatcherite, Deasy, all (#217)
I wasn't aware that I was lying, thanks for informing me. I just thought I was making an observation....
die kill ~~ Me
#221. To: Deasy, PSUSA, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, irishthatcherite (#219)
A likely motive is to maximize advertising dollars. Greed and fear of getting too close to the truth are powerful motivators for someone in his position. Controlled opposition is unlikely at his small fry level. The PTB just don't care what someone off the mainstream media has to say. Cable/satellite TV and large circulation newspapers, plus research grant funding is where most of the control is exerted.
Promiscuity is good.
Homosexuality is good.
Taking Pharmaceuticals makes you healthier (and ignore all of those pesky adverse reactions)
Honesty is for suckers.
Torture is acceptable.
The Fed is your friend.
More Taxes = More goodies.
Glowbull Warming is real.
#222. To: Jethro Tull (#215)
OK, great example of him doing a Jim Jones. He really needs a rest
die kill ~~ Me
#223. To: PSUSA (#220)
#224. To: PSUSA (#220)
I disagree with you on that. It does make a difference, to their respective audiences. They aren't even a blip on the MSM radar. They aren't meant to be. We are the audience. The difference they make is to us, to distract us into looking into fables. THink of all that wasted energy going into looking into total bullshit that would otherwise go into practical solutions.
#225. To: Original_Intent (#223)
David Ick is either nuts or a plant.
#226. To: Original_Intent (#221)
#227. To: Original_Intent (#221)
Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers.
die kill ~~ Me
#228. To: PSUSA (#220)
(Edited)
I was just being sarcastic. I meant nothing by it.
#229. To: Deasy (#219)
However, we do hear rumblings that unstructured media like the Internet could be coming under more rigid control. This too, I doubt.
#230. To: irishthatcherite (#229)
#231. To: Deasy (#230)
But hey, it's a free market. As long as we're free to start our own companies and compete to dominate entire sectors, what could go wrong?
#232. To: irishthatcherite (#231)
#233. To: Original_Intent (#221)
Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000.
#234. To: irishthatcherite (#233)
Gah! An entire army of McCain_Rocks!
#235. To: Deasy (#232)
Unlikely. The capital for starting these firms is provided by like-minded investors. But that's not the only problem. If people wanted to know more, they would demand more variety of media sources. They don't.
#236. To: Original_Intent (#234)
#237. To: Deasy (#225)
David Ick is either nuts or a plant.
#238. To: Original_Intent (#237)
#239. To: PSUSA (#227)
Per one article I read the lowball estimate of the number of active paid shills, of one stripe or another, was put at 40,000. PR Agencies advertise for these positions, and some well known shills have been traced back to government owned servers.
#240. To: Deasy (#238)
You're still making assumptions.
#241. To: irishthatcherite (#236)
I'm glad I didn't say rotgut/sardine sandwich/fifty yard line... lol
#242. To: Original_Intent (#239)
die kill ~~ Me
#243. To: PSUSA (#242)
#244. To: Original_Intent (#243)
#245. To: Jethro Tull (#196)
This is a rough house to preach to. We're very capable of making our own minds up. I'm limiting my criticism to Jones based on this incident. I've said his conduct was an embarrassment, but that said, we're human and we all have bad days.
#246. To: noone222 (#197)
With respect to Mr. (ugh) Clean, I'd be more inclined to know who he "likes" as opposed to whom he berates.
#247. To: christine (#207)
i'm not willing to say or believe he's a complete fraud though. for the most part, i listen to his show for the guests he brings on and the discussions of current events.
#248. To: Original_Intent (#243)
(Edited)
Both CENTCOM and the ISRAELI PR Ministry have publicly commented on their existence. The data is there if you wish to look. Just fire up a reliable search engine like ixquick and dig in.
die kill ~~ Me
#249. To: PSUSA (#248)
#250. To: Mister Clean (#247)
Can you list the accomplishments of Alex Jones in all his years of "fighting the NWO?" "Waking people up" doesn't count unless you can demonstrate some results of this great "waking up."
die kill ~~ Me
#251. To: PSUSA (#250)
Jones doesn't wake people up.
#252. To: Mister Clean, PSUSA (#251)
#253. To: Deasy (#252)
die kill ~~ Me
#254. To: Deasy (#252)
Really what we need is parents who raise their kids to think for themselves, and educational establishments that encourage independent thinking.
#255. To: Mister Clean (#254)
#256. To: Mister Clean (#245)
(Edited)
#257. To: Jethro Tull (#256)
I'm curious, now that we know who you dislike, can you tell us who it is you appreciate?
#258. To: Mister Clean (#257)
The only radio show I listen to regularly is Dave Ramsay.
#259. To: Mister Clean, Jethro Tull (#257)
I'm curious, now that we know who you dislike, can you tell us who it is you appreciate?
#260. To: Jethro Tull (#258)
Heard him a few times. Not much to the show after you pay down your debt, cut up your credit cards and tithe 10% of your income to your favorite 501(C)3 'church' so they can continue to keep the sheeple dopey.
#261. To: Original_Intent (#259)
Oh, goody - a NeoCon FauxNews GOP establishment bot.
#262. To: Mister Clean (#194)
What puzzles me is that some people have been unable - stubbornly unable - to see what a joke Alex Jones is.
#263. To: wakeup (#262)
I love him too much to start hating him, yet.
#264. To: Mister Clean (#263)
(Edited)
I love him too much to start hating him, yet. Spoken like a true sheeple.
#265. To: James Deffenbach, christine, wakeup, bluegrass, randge, PSUSA, TwentyTwelve (#80)
(Edited)
Suppose you were an enemy agent-provocateur and your handler ordered you to disrupt a rally organized by supposed friendlies, the same rally to which you were invited but declined to speak.
#266. To: HOUNDDAWG, CyniChrissy, CyniTull, CyniNoone, CyniEsso, Cyni4s (#265)
(Edited)
Simply put, stupid people don't know that they're stupid and they're apt to respond poorly if confronted with the truth.
In fact right now I'm giving away a free copy of Sun Tzu's historic treatise on war with every purchase of my new book 'READ YOUR WAY TO FREEDOM-LET'S TAKE AMERICA BACK FROM THE ARABS'!
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#267. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
Nothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
#268. To: noone222, HOUNDDAWG (#267)
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
die kill ~~ Me
#269. To: noone222, HOUNDDAWG, all (#267)
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
#270. To: PSUSA, HOUNDDAWG (#268)
#271. To: randge (#269)
However many good guests that the man in question hosts
#272. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
the true agenda of the Alex Jones puppeteers
#273. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
Lord Acton
#274. To: noone222 (#270)
Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
#275. To: noone222 (#270)
(Edited)
Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
die kill ~~ Me
#276. To: PSUSA (#268)
It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom.
#277. To: PSUSA (#275)
I hate to think a mole or a crazy person is at the helm of any ship.
#278. To: PSUSA (#275)
Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package.
#279. To: wakeup (#264)
So, now, his followers are sheeple.
#280. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
they're reliance upon the HAL TURNER STANDARD Of Proof.
#281. To: noone222 (#267)
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ???
#282. To: Mister Clean (#278)
die kill ~~ Me
#283. To: PSUSA (#282)
Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
#284. To: christine (#279)
(Edited)
#285. To: Mister Clean (#283)
He can't list any accomplishments in fighting tyranny because he has none because victory isn't his goal.
#286. To: wakeup (#284)
I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding
#287. To: christine, all (#286)
#288. To: randge (#287)
#289. To: christine, all (#285)
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
die kill ~~ Me
#290. To: christine (#285)
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
#291. To: wakeup (#284)
I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding and he should be cut some slack just because he has done sooo much good.
#292. To: Mister Clean (#290)
#293. To: PSUSA (#289)
You do what you can, I do what I can, and so does everyone else. We all fight the beast in our own ways. Sometimes it's just not wise to divulge too much in a open forum like this one.
#294. To: christine (#292)
no, i'm not. i'm honestly interested to know how you define fighting tyranny and if there is anyone that you think is or has accomplished it.
#295. To: Mister Clean (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#296. To: christine (#295)
#297. To: Mister Clean (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#298. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#299. To: Jethro Tull (#297)
It's great to be you. I'm not sure how old you are, but this nation in the last 40 years has become decidedly less free.
#300. To: christine (#295)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#301. To: Mister Clean (#298)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
#302. To: Mister Clean (#298)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
#303. To: Deasy (#301)
What if a person has ethical objections to the way federal tax dollars are spent? Does America honor the citizen conscience? No. This is the land of the debtor's prison for tax evaders, no matter the reason.
#304. To: Mister Clean (#299)
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today?
#305. To: Deasy (#301)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble.
#306. To: Jethro Tull (#302)
When taxes - from every source - becomes (+/-) 50% of one's salary - you're entering the realm of a tax slave. These taxes, BTW, increase regularly and outpace any wage increase the average man may receive.
#307. To: Jethro Tull (#304)
Lets start with having lost the freedom to demonstrate civilly without being herded into a free speech zone, only to be overtly filmed by some s'bag in an attempt to intimidate.
#308. To: Mister Clean (#303)
Is there any nation on earth where each individual can decide to pay taxes based upon their conscience?
#309. To: tom007 (#305)
Like Tim Guitner(sp)?
#310. To: Mister Clean (#306)
Maybe you need a better accountant.
#311. To: Mister Clean (#306)
#312. To: Mister Clean (#309)
Like Tim Guitner(sp)?
#313. To: Jethro Tull (#304)
Lets start with having lost the freedom to demonstrate civilly without being herded into a free speech zone, only to be overtly filmed by some s'bag in an attempt to intimidate.
#314. To: Deasy (#308)
Not in America, land of the "free." Obviously we're no different from any other conformist nations. We use force to secure the compliant behavior of our subjects, just like any other country. We'll put citizens under our orderly boot heels if they will not comply.
#315. To: Mister Clean (#313)
Were the Tea Party demonstrators who went to D.C. last year herded into a free speech zone?
#316. To: Mister Clean (#313)
Were the Tea Party demonstrators who went to D.C. last year herded into a free speech zone?
#317. To: Mister Clean (#313)
Were the Tea Party demonstrators who went to D.C. last year herded into a free speech zone?
#318. To: Jethro Tull (#311)
I'm not talking about Federal taxes alone.
#319. To: Mister Clean (#314)
So you're an anarchist? You want no government?
#320. To: Mister Clean (#318)
#321. To: tom007 (#315)
No they were not.
#322. To: tom007, Mister Clean (#316)
You are approaching Neo Con Nuttery.
#323. To: Jethro Tull (#317)
I'm guessing they were penned in to an area designated by the PTB and filmed no doubt. If you have more to add, please present it.
#324. To: tom007 (#312)
If my corporation games the system heavy penalties are involved, and it the Friqqing SOT doesn't know the fairly simple rules of houskeepers it shows he is fundamentally dishonest.
#325. To: Mister Clean (#313)
People can still protest, that freedom has not been taken away.
#326. To: tom007 (#325)
One can go into their closet, and close the closet door, and hold up a sign saying they do not support these endless wars for coporations for hours on end
#327. To: Mister Clean (#298)
Do you think Alex Jones has accomplished anything in the fight he claims to be waging?
#328. To: Mister Clean (#323)
Tea Party protesters were all over DC and all over the national Mall. They were not herded into any zone.
#329. To: Mister Clean (#323)
#330. To: christine (#327)
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
#331. To: Mister Clean (#294)
"I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny."
#332. To: abraxas (#328)
They had a PERMIT and yes they were herded into a zone, specifically the zone granted by the PERMIT........some free speech and right to assemble.
#333. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#334. To: Jethro Tull (#329)
#335. To: Mister Clean (#332)
(Edited)
#336. To: wakeup (#331)
We blame folks like you for allowing it to continue.
#337. To: christine (#335)
#338. To: Dakmar, christine (#337)
Can you change my login name to "episodic minutia"?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#339. To: Esso (#338)
#340. To: Mister Clean (#334)
#341. To: Mister Clean (#299)
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today?
#342. To: Dakmar (#339)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#343. To: Jethro Tull (#340)
Life is too short.
#344. To: Jethro Tull, Mr Clean (#340)
Adios pant load. Life is too short.
#345. To: christine (#327)
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
#346. To: Esso (#342)
I'll bet at least 1-in- 100,000 Uhhmerkkins is clever enough to figure that out.
#347. To: Mister Clean (#343)
(Edited)
Get back to me when you can actually list all the things you can't do today that you could do 40 years ago.
____________________
#348. To: wakeup (#341)
Somehow, someone made my paper money less valuable than it was. In order for them to do that, the backing by gold and silver had to be dropped and allowing bills to be printed up without the precious asset to back it. Who had the power to pull such a scam? Who benefitted all these years slowly devaluing the paper we call money? Tyrants. Who suffers? We do.
#349. To: Mister Clean (#348)
(Edited)
You're not being oppressed because you can't buy 4 gallons of milk with a dollar bill.
#350. To: Mister Clean (#332)
Nobody herded them, they walked through the streets and took the Metro on their own. They gathered on the Mall because having a protest in the ghettos of Southeast DC wouldn't have worked out so well.
#351. To: abraxas (#350)
Nobody was shot.....plenty were arrested, as usual for PERMIT protests in DC.
#352. To: Mister Clean (#351)
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
#353. To: Mister Clean (#334)
#354. To: abraxas (#352)
Prove it.
#355. To: Mister Clean (#354)
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event.
#356. To: Mister Clean (#348)
I could argue that devaluation is the destiny of every fiat currency but that's not because of tyranny.
#357. To: rack42 (#353)
#358. To: abraxas (#355)
Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
#359. To: Mister Clean (#343)
Are you able to stop paying taxes whenever you want, without fear of
recrimination from the tax authorities?
No Yes
Do you have a real, meaningful say in whether your government chooses to go to
war against another nation? If your government decides to go to war, are you
able to veto that decision?
No Yes
Vote fraud is rampant in Western nations, and the imposition of audit-less
electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided (as Stalin
admitted) not by those who vote, but by those who count the vote. Can you
refuse a dishonest voting process?
No Yes
Do you have the right to keep and bear whatever arms you desire? Are you able
to carry arms in public to defend yourself when required?
No Yes
Do you have the right and the ability to prevent authorities from searching
through your private records without cause and without warrant?
No Yes
Are you able to travel freely, wherever and whenever you wish, without
government interference in the form of visas?
No Yes
Most Western nations have huge budget deficits. Can you refuse responsibility
for payments on debts the government incurred without your permission?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to be photographed by the hundreds (sometimes thousands)
of closed circuit cameras located all over cities by wearing a disguise
whenever in public? Can you wear a motorcycle helmet when entering banks,
government buildings or other public places?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to send your children to the military, knowing that if
they go they will be drafted into a war that you had no say over?
No Yes
Are you able to choose the treatment you receive for a chronic illness? Are you
able to freely question or change a prescription provided by a doctor?
No Yes
#360. To: Mister Clean (#358)
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute.
#361. To: Mister Clean (#348)
#362. To: rack42 (#356)
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause?
#363. To: abraxas (#360)
I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending.
#364. To: Flintlock, all (#361)
#365. To: wakeup (#361)
After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron.
#366. To: Mister Clean (#362)
poor fiscal policy is not tyranny
#367. To: rack42 (#366)
You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson
#368. To: Mister Clean (#363)
If you know of any arrests at the 9/12 event, post the information
#369. To: Mister Clean (#367)
You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson
#370. To: Mister Clean (#363)
(Edited)
A list of offenses is not a list of arrests. You can make all the assessments you wish but without any record, without any reports, they're nothing more than your assessments.
#371. To: rack42 (#368)
Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11
#372. To: abraxas (#370)
Now you claim no arrests for hundereds of thousands of people and refuse to back up your claims.
#373. To: Mister Clean (#357)
#374. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#375. To: Mister Clean (#365)
#376. To: Mister Clean (#357)
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#377. To: wakeup, Mister Clean (#361)
I think we have been rude and much too hard on you. Besides, what is the harm in allowing one more moron to continue believing he is free?
Lord Acton
#378. To: Mister Clean, all (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
die kill ~~ Me
#379. To: PSUSA (#378)
#380. To: rack42 (#373)
#381. To: christine (#375)
you sure do have an obsession with Alex Jones
#382. To: rack42 (#373)
(Edited)
Answer the question: Why was there no directory for this building?
#383. To: Mister Clean (#379)
I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
die kill ~~ Me
#384. To: PSUSA (#383)
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is.
#385. To: Original_Intent (#38)
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis before he did have an equal or larger audience thus pre-empting Alex's leverage over Ted and his indirect control of Genesis and what it broadcasts. Although he may well be a narcissist I suspect the motivation was more a matter of Rense actually being a purveyor of the truth which conflicted with Alex's disinformation operation.
#386. To: christine (#385)
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis before he did have an equal or larger audience thus pre-empting Alex's leverage over Ted and his indirect control of Genesis and what it broadcasts. Although he may well be a narcissist I suspect the motivation was more a matter of Rense actually being a purveyor of the truth which conflicted with Alex's disinformation operation.
#387. To: christine, Original_Intent (#385)
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now.
#388. To: Original_Intent (#386)
#389. To: TwentyTwelve (#387)
#390. To: christine (#388)
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