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Title: Alex Jones disrupts 2nd Amendment rally, divides protest
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw
Published: Jan 25, 2010
Author: WACAustin
Post Date: 2010-01-27 09:58:48 by randge
Keywords: Alex Jones, guns shows, protest, Austin
Views: 5242
Comments: 390
Alex Jones Exposes... Alex Jones! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw Alex Jones Turns Peaceful Gun Rights Demonstration Into CHAOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJ4zhiB2s4 You Gotta Hard On for Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWM17wiHhww Poster Comment: I won't tax you with a lot of blabber & half-baked opinion. You all here are big folks and know the meaning of what you see. Patience with the second video. There is a lot of lens time on the pavement, but it bears watching all the way through. Most interested in your comments.
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#267. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ??? This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones. Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it. I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
It's not the ones that listen to him. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom. You know, like in the OP???
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or True, but once you've seen the grimace that's hiding behind the camouflage, the animal instinct for survival should kick in. However many good guests that the man in question hosts and however hard he may hit the enemy, his words and motives should be called into question. Other "leaders" have backtracked and disappointed. Ron Paul and his public repudiation of "truth" spring to mind. But even if he had denied it thrice, we recognize that he is surrounded by the Romans and holds his seat in suffrance. RP is very much dealing from weakness and there is only so much that he can say without enduring a yet unheard of mainstream sentence in the public pillory. Yet in Dr. Paul there is no malice and display of deceit or intended betrayal. I believe that he is an honest man - perhaps too honest in some ways. With Jones I have made up my mind. HOUNDDAWG hit all the right notes in his post, as far as I'm concerned, and if this thread ended with those words, that would be just fine with me. There are a ton of alternate sources of information out there that we have access to, and you all know well where they are.
Ya know, Alex has been bullhorning his own audience lately and I personally don't appreciate it. Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system. There are many issues to consider but none more impacting than the central banking (monopoly) system. Your points are well taken and I'm sure others here are keeping a close eye on Jones.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
This is the 2nd best reason to listen to Jones (IMHO). He cannot completely overshadow his guests and he seems to be able to obtain interviews with currently relevant folks. Some of his regular guests are CNP members which also gives me pause to consider what they have to say.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
The true agenda of Alex Jones appears to be nothing other than making money.
Excellent post. I appreciate the time and effort you put into that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Big freaking deal. Talk is cheap and easy. Beyond enriching himself through grandstanding, exploitation and effective marketing, Alex Jones has achieved nothing in his alleged fight against the "NWO." N O T H I N G !
This is true, as are your comments about his guests. This is what makes it hard for me to figure out what he is doing in these instances. Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package. And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems. I see it as a choice between only those 2 options due to what I and many others have caught him doing. A leader is supposed to be held to higher standards. If a proclaimed and self-proclaimed leader like Jones is to be accepted as a leader then people need to hold him to those higher standards. His hardcore followers do not hold him to those higher standards. They ignore or excuse it all. I hate to think a mole or a crazy person is at the helm of any ship.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's fascinating to see how even an obvious fraud like Jones can attract a following of devoted sheep. P. T. Barnum's words about a sucker born every minute will ring true forever.
I think the crazies in charge are attempting to make the rest of us insane ... and to a large extent their success is almost undeniable.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
And I can't figure out if he is a mole or has mental problems. The phony televangelist example fits perfectly here. The fraud preacher may know the scriptures in and out and be able to quote Bible verses from memory. He may be deeply knowledgeable about doctrine and history. He may give impressive and seemingly sincere sermons on every show... But he's still a fraud. He's an actor! All the knowledge he has and his talents for speaking are just tools that he uses to deceive people into giving him money. An effective fraud must appear to be genuine for his scam to work!
speaking for myself, i've never been an alex jones follower. i'm a listener to his show and that's more because of the guests he has on and his coverage of the news since i don't watch or listen to MSM.
Would that require actual proof before tossing the govt. op word around? If so, I hold to that standard with Jones and everyone else whether they are in radio or not.
This 4UM is made up of mature adults for the most part and they have been lied to by the best for 50 - 60 years in some instances. Most of the participants here QUESTION EVERY-FREAKING-THING, and do not worship anyone including Alex Jones. Having said this, Alex Jones didn't do anything to improve his position among this 4UM's regulars in disrupting the rally as none of them applauded his rudeness. While some of us were willing to "forgive" a regrettable moment I don't think anyone will "forget" it. I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{AMEN, Brother}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Agreed. Interesting way of putting it. If he's an actor, then who's the director? The screenwriter? Is he a one man show? A person could go nuts trying to figure it out using suitable standards of proof. I prefer to take things at face value and disregard him. It's easier that way. A person could spend too much time trying to figure it out. Hal Turner was outed when his emails were hacked. But even before that some knew he was a traitor. Maybe someone will catch Jones in the act in the same ways. If he is really that arrogant, he will leave himself open to that. Jack Van Impe does this too, now that you brought up "preachers". He's about the only one that does, that I've ever seen. His memory is impressive, even if he still is a fraud. Most preachers teach doctrines with maybe a scripture or 2 thrown into the mix. Not him. He'll rattle them off non-stop. Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or He's definitely smart enough to know his audience. He's definitely smart enough to know how to exploit people's fears and insecurities for his own profit. He's smart enough to know how to make his audience feel that they truly understand what's really going on; in other words, he makes his audience feel more informed than the average person. Jones continually promises that victory over the "NWO" is certain even as explains (daily) how things keep getting worse but this is just pure manipulation on his part. He can't list any accomplishments in fighting tyranny because he has none because victory isn't his goal. Every day, Jones reinforces a never ending sense of crisis because without one, why would anybody listen to him?
speaking for myself, i've never been an alex jones follower. i'm a listener to his show and that's more because of the guests he has on and his coverage of the news since i don't watch or listen to MSM. The term "follower" was a poor choice to describe those of us that are drawn to his videos and sites for educational purposes. Listener would have been more accurate. Actually, I don't follow or listen much anymore. He cuts his good guests off too often and goes off whenever Zionism is brought up by callers. He really is rude. He may have a little cause for arrogance, I suppose but, the rudeness is overdone. After telling Catherine she had a hard on for him he then bull-horned the crowd right in her face. Maybe the bitch slapping he is getting is deserved and he will clean up his act a little. I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding and he should be cut some slack just because he has done sooo much good. I am presently filling an order for 500 "Fall" DVDs. Many of my distributors are fond of this one. The only bigger seller was Freedom to Fascism and Zeitgeist. Whenever I run the machines, I also listen in for quality control purposes so, I have been through FOTR many times. That is an excellent video and his best to date. Of course, they always seem to be his best to date. I hear he is working on a follow-up video to "Obama Deception." Christine, Feb. 7th makes it three years with this project. I started with two titles, one 3-target duplicator and a sharpie. Now, I have three 10-target machines and eleven printers putting out 44 DVD titles. No brag, just fact. Oh, every shipment gets a Bring'em Home magnetic ribbon, thanks to you.
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
i agree
Christine, do you or anyone else here know if this topic has been brought up on Jones' show in the last few days, either by Jones himself or by one of his callers? Been too busy to follow this of late.
no, it hasn't.
I'm not the one you pinged, obviously, but I'd like to answer that. We will not win by massive sweeping accomplishments by any one person. The job is too big. I don't want anyone to think I am hunting for brownie points, but you are just as responsible for fighting tyranny as anyone. You do what you can, I do what I can, and so does everyone else. We all fight the beast in our own ways. Sometimes it's just not wise to divulge too much in a open forum like this one. I'm just here for the fellowship. Posting opinions here is not resisting, IMO. Posting articles is a form of resisting because we are exposing what the bastards are trying to hide. You're maybe looking for someone well known, to answer your question. I dont see it that way. Anyone can resist, and if they don't blow a trumpet, or a f'n bullhorn every damn time they say they are "resisting tyranny", then they have my personal respect. This fawning over VIPs has to stop. It's no different than the hollyweird gossip rags bickering over which celebrity dresses better at some phony awards show, or who is dating who. I don't understand why anyone cares about that crap, anymore than I understand why people admire alternative personalities, especially when they pull a stunt like Jones did in the OP. It's not about personalities or loyalty, it's about telling the truth and not intentionally disrupting others freedoms, like Jones did in the OP... As to why he did it, only Jones knows. We all have our own ideas why.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or You're trying to change the subject away from Alex Jones and his lack of accomplishments in fighting "tyranny," "the global elite," "the banking cartel," "the NWO" and whatever else he claims to be fighting.
What good has he done? If he really has "done sooo much good" it should be easy to demonstrate.
no, i'm not. i'm honestly interested to know how you define fighting tyranny and if there is anyone that you think is or has accomplished it.
I'm just here for the fellowship. Posting opinions here is not resisting, IMO. Posting articles is a form of resisting because we are exposing what the bastards are trying to hide. agreed. i enjoy the camaraderie of spending time with mostly likeminds. i also enjoy what i learn from intelligent, articulate, and educated both academically and real life experienced participants. oh, and i can't leave out the humor and wit.
Do you disagree with my statement that Alex Jones has accomplished nothing in his alleged fight against the things he claims to be fighting against? I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
you must be an IRS agent.
He's right, Americans are content. This is what they've always wanted. Sure, a few disagree, but not that many.
It's great to be you. I'm not sure how old you are, but this nation in the last 40 years has become decidedly less free. I mention this because I have no idea what time references we are working from.
Do you think Alex Jones has accomplished anything in the fight he claims to be waging? If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today? I'd love to see that list.
Its not Horrible, for most - YET. Sure going in that direction tho. Our "Public Servants" in Colorado Springs are the largest best paid best pensioned best medical benifited group in the city, other than the military officers, who appear to be the Pharohs of the Nation. But we are a peace loving nation. The Military Industrial, Medical Insurance, Political Complex has devoured this nation.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" What if a person has ethical objections to the way federal tax dollars are spent? Does America honor the citizen conscience? No. This is the land of the debtor's prison for tax evaders, no matter the reason. But few object. Few remember why we had our first revolution. That's long in the past. Can we call it "tyranny" if most welcome it? Just don't call it "liberty."
When taxes - from every source - becomes (+/-) 50% of one's salary - you're entering the realm of a tax slave. These taxes, BTW, increase regularly and outpace any wage increase the average man may receive.
Who is to decide who has a legitimate ethical objection and who is just trying to avoid taxes? Is there any nation on earth where each individual can decide to pay taxes based upon their conscience?
Lets start with having lost the freedom to demonstrate civilly without being herded into a free speech zone, only to be overtly filmed by some s'bag in an attempt to intimidate.
Like Tim Guitner(sp)? He got in trouble by becoming the Sec of Treasury. A looting, and I do mean that correctly LOOTING, the citizens of this foolish country of thousands of dollars from every taxpayer. Now GS is rewarding, with Tim's help, the corrupt criminal enterprise mojos with mulitiple million dollar payoffs. Yes. let's all support this system, we are being put on a plantation as surely as were the slave from Africa two hundred years ago.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Maybe you need a better accountant.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestNothing short of an admission in open court by Jones' defense counsel that AJ is a govt agent will convince his love struck fans, particularly those who sent him money.
#268. To: noone222, HOUNDDAWG (#267)
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
die kill ~~ Me
#269. To: noone222, HOUNDDAWG, all (#267)
I just don't think it fair to lump anyone that listens to Jones into some kind of cult grouping.
#270. To: PSUSA, HOUNDDAWG (#268)
#271. To: randge (#269)
However many good guests that the man in question hosts
#272. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
the true agenda of the Alex Jones puppeteers
#273. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
Lord Acton
#274. To: noone222 (#270)
Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
#275. To: noone222 (#270)
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Alex Jones does one thing that I think is relevant and important. He attacks the banking cabal's usurpation or circumvention of the American Law System through fictional legal entities created by and through their fiat monetary system.
die kill ~~ Me
#276. To: PSUSA (#268)
It's the ones that ignore what he says and does, in specific incidents, and consistently chalk it all up to "rudeness" and/or "ego", or a bad hair day, excusing it all like it's nothing. That is the cult following he has. They ignore what he does that is a detriment to others freedom.
#277. To: PSUSA (#275)
I hate to think a mole or a crazy person is at the helm of any ship.
#278. To: PSUSA (#275)
Like some here I started out listening to him and have bought some of his tapes. He did help bring me up to speed on these things by gathering information that OTHERS have gathered. He has a talent for bundling it all up into a nice package.
#279. To: wakeup (#264)
So, now, his followers are sheeple.
#280. To: HOUNDDAWG (#265)
they're reliance upon the HAL TURNER STANDARD Of Proof.
#281. To: noone222 (#267)
Isn't it possible to hear and verify information presented by someone without becoming a kool-aid drinking enemy of the Patriot State ???
#282. To: Mister Clean (#278)
die kill ~~ Me
#283. To: PSUSA (#282)
Jones isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Crazy people can be smart. Or maybe glib is a better term than smart. Or manipulative.
#284. To: christine (#279)
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#285. To: Mister Clean (#283)
He can't list any accomplishments in fighting tyranny because he has none because victory isn't his goal.
#286. To: wakeup (#284)
I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding
#287. To: christine, all (#286)
#288. To: randge (#287)
#289. To: christine, all (#285)
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
die kill ~~ Me
#290. To: christine (#285)
define for me an accomplishment in fighting tyranny. give me the name(s) of someone you think has accomplished such.
#291. To: wakeup (#284)
I do happen to think his latest, Fall Of The Republic, is outstanding and he should be cut some slack just because he has done sooo much good.
#292. To: Mister Clean (#290)
#293. To: PSUSA (#289)
You do what you can, I do what I can, and so does everyone else. We all fight the beast in our own ways. Sometimes it's just not wise to divulge too much in a open forum like this one.
#294. To: christine (#292)
no, i'm not. i'm honestly interested to know how you define fighting tyranny and if there is anyone that you think is or has accomplished it.
#295. To: Mister Clean (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#296. To: christine (#295)
#297. To: Mister Clean (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#298. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#299. To: Jethro Tull (#297)
It's great to be you. I'm not sure how old you are, but this nation in the last 40 years has become decidedly less free.
#300. To: christine (#295)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
#301. To: Mister Clean (#298)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
#302. To: Mister Clean (#298)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble. There's nothing tyrannical about that.
#303. To: Deasy (#301)
What if a person has ethical objections to the way federal tax dollars are spent? Does America honor the citizen conscience? No. This is the land of the debtor's prison for tax evaders, no matter the reason.
#304. To: Mister Clean (#299)
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today?
#305. To: Deasy (#301)
If a person doesn't pay their taxes they get in trouble.
#306. To: Jethro Tull (#302)
When taxes - from every source - becomes (+/-) 50% of one's salary - you're entering the realm of a tax slave. These taxes, BTW, increase regularly and outpace any wage increase the average man may receive.
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