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Title: Alex Jones disrupts 2nd Amendment rally, divides protest
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw
Published: Jan 25, 2010
Author: WACAustin
Post Date: 2010-01-27 09:58:48 by randge
Keywords: Alex Jones, guns shows, protest, Austin
Views: 5307
Comments: 390
Alex Jones Exposes... Alex Jones! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw Alex Jones Turns Peaceful Gun Rights Demonstration Into CHAOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJ4zhiB2s4 You Gotta Hard On for Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWM17wiHhww Poster Comment: I won't tax you with a lot of blabber & half-baked opinion. You all here are big folks and know the meaning of what you see. Patience with the second video. There is a lot of lens time on the pavement, but it bears watching all the way through. Most interested in your comments.
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#327. To: Mister Clean (#298)
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
They had a PERMIT and yes they were herded into a zone, specifically the zone granted by the PERMIT........some free speech and right to assemble.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You want more? How about buying a gun w/o an anal exam? Boarding a plane w/o being molested. Speaking w/o fear of someone yelling "hate speech." I just told you I can't assemble peaceably w/o some govt. flack filming me in an attempt to intimidate. Hello? Anybody home??? I also told you the MSM was in the tank with the past Administration in an attempt to shape my opinion of their illegal, immoral wars. I seriously doubt that stopped since Obama was selected. These examples jump all over my right to live in a free society that isn't shaped by government interference. Grow a pair kid. This government has become empowered 100 fold thanks to sheeple such as yourself who defend it's intrusion into my life, but I expect such nonsense from a 30-something.
And the result of this supposed increase in awareness is....? Nothing. You realize there is no way to measure how many people Alex Jones has allegedly made aware of the "two party fraud" but judging by the fact that the two party system is still intact, I'd say the number is most likely quite small.
We blame folks like you for allowing it to continue. "Hey buddy, what do you think about the apathy and ignorance most folks express when asked about corruption in government?" "Well, I don't know about it so, I don't care about it."
Nobody herded them, they walked through the streets and took the Metro on their own. They gathered on the Mall because having a protest in the ghettos of Southeast DC wouldn't have worked out so well. I'm talking about the 9/12 event. They assembled, they spoke. Nobody was shot. I don't think anyone was even arrested.
Or, he hasn't had them at the front door, yet. What is that famous quote... you don't see tyranny until you resist it.
How about buying a gun w/o an anal exam? If you received an anal exam when trying to buy a gun you should move to a different state. Boarding a plane w/o being molested. I've never been "molested" when going through airport security. You are resorting to hyperbole in an attempt to make a point which tells me your argument is weak. Speaking w/o fear of someone yelling "hate speech." If you're afraid to speak that's your choice, not a loss of freedom. If you don't see the difference your're hopless. I just told you I can't assemble peaceably w/o some govt. flack filming me in an attempt to intimidate. Hello? Anybody home??? I told you that tens of thousands of people did assemble peacefully in DC last year and they obviously weren't intimidated nor did they give a shit about being videotaped. You sound like a whiner. I also told you the MSM was in the tank with the past Administration in an attempt to shape my opinion of their illegal, immoral wars. I seriously doubt that stopped since Obama was selected. That's not a loss of freedom.
I'm always suspicious of so called conservatives who insist on arguing episodic minutia to derail 4um posters from talking and becoming friends.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Can you list the accomplishments that Alex Jones has achieved in the fight against tyranny? Waking people up doesn't matter unless it's yielded some concrete results.
Can you change my login name to "episodic minutia"?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I'm sure that'd be no problem, but you'll always be "Little Dakkie Honey Bunny" to us.
Reminds me of a story told by the ancient egyptians: Eye, bird, boat, sun, bird, bird...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Adios pant load. Life is too short.
I'd love to see that list. Forty years ago, I could buy four gallons of gas for a dollar bill or, a silver dollar. They were the same to me, four quarters, a dollar or a silver dollar... all the same. A dollar was close to an ounce of silver. Today, it takes ten or twelve of those pieces of paper to do that, yet, the silver dollar will still get me those four gallons. Somehow, someone made my paper money less valuable than it was. In order for them to do that, the backing by gold and silver had to be dropped and allowing bills to be printed up without the precious asset to back it. Who had the power to pull such a scam? Who benefitted all these years slowly devaluing the paper we call money? Tyrants. Who suffers? We do. Therefore, all of us have suffered under tyranny. Some see it and some don't. Acknowledged or not, it is there.
Now that's funny. I'll bet at least 1-in- 100,000 Uhhmerkkins is clever enough to figure that out.
Get back to me when you can actually list all the things you can't do today that you could do 40 years ago.
Anchors away clean, adios MFer
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
Yes One by One. A LOT of folks I deal with Know somethings wrong. A Lot.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm too lazy to undertake any of this, but damnit it DOES look so easy to start a cult and get rich, is it possible even quiet desperation athiests will finally master psych101 parlour tricks and oust the really, really, really fucking retarded?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. How about 45 years? Buy a gun mail order Live in a wetback free society Walk in any neighborhood at any time of day Speak English in Miami and LA Not be involved in a meaningless foreign war Only need one person to work to support a family Drive without insurance (if you wanted to) That's just for starters!
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
I could argue that devaluation is the destiny of every fiat currency but that's not because of tyranny. You're not being oppressed because you can't buy 4 gallons of milk with a dollar bill.
Wow, you milked that one for all it was worth, chum! Can I get a WHODAT?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I'm talking about the 9/12 event. They assembled, they spoke. Nobody was shot. I don't think anyone was even arrested. Balony......you are herded off the sidewalks in DC for crying out loud. There is enforcement at every turn. I know what you are talking about. Nobody was shot.....plenty were arrested, as usual for PERMIT protests in DC. Here's a short list of charges you can be slapped with while exercising your right to assemble: A. DC Charges Incommoding. This is blocking vehicle or pedestrian traffic on the streets, sidewalks, and other walkways. This is by far the most common charge we see when protestors sit down in the street. Sidewalks are trickier because you generally have a right to engage in free speech activities on the public sidewalks; but if you so clog them that no one else can use the sidewalks, you might be charged with incommoding. Maximum penalty is a $250 fine and/or 90 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1107. The charge of disorderly conduct is essentially the same. DC Code § 22-1121. Note that Obstructing bridges connecting DC and Virginia is punishable by an additional fine of at least $1,000 and up to $5,000, and/or up to 30 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1123. Failure to obey a Police Officer. Often called "failure to disperse," this charge is possible when the police decide to close a street or clear a path and you refuse to move. The order they give you must be "lawful," which means that if the police issue an unconstitutional order, there is no offense in ignoring it. But police authority is very broad and we won’t know if the order was unconstitutional until trial. If the order turns out to have been lawful and you failed to obey it, you can be fined $100-$1,000. DC Muni. Reg. §§ 18-2000.2 & 2000.10. Unlawful entry on property (trespassing). Remaining on private property after being told to leave is punishable by a fine up to $100 and/or up to 6 months in jail. For government buildings and the surrounding land, there must be some reason that you have been asked to leave, such as to prevent disruption or to maintain security. DC Code § 22-3102. Resisting or interfering with a police officer is a violation of the same law as assault on a police officer (below). You may not stand in the path of an officer (especially if they are trying to make an arrest) or pull away from them or help another person to pull away from an officer trying to make an arrest. In addition to violating this law (which is quite serious in itself -- up to 5 years), you may be charged with aiding and abetting (below). Resisting arrest is unlawful even if the officer has no rightful basis for arresting you. Failure to appear. If you have ever been arrested before and did not come to court when instructed to do so, there is a possibility that a warrant will have been issued for your arrest for "failure to appear." Outstanding warrants of this kind from other parts of the country may or may not show up during processing, depending on how thoroughly the jurisdiction where you were arrested has sought the assistance of other jurisdictions. It is best, and probably likeliest, to assume that the authorities here will know if you skipped a court date anywhere else in the country. Failure to appear for a DC court date is a separate offense, so beyond the penalties for whatever you were first arrested for, you can be fined up to the maximum for that offense, and/or an additional 180 days in jail. If you were originally booked on a felony charge, failure to appear is punishable by up to 5 years. DC Code § 22-1110(3)- (4). False statement. This can come up with forms you are asked to complete before being released. If you put something untrue on a form that says making a false statement is punishable by criminal penalties, you can be fined $1,000 and/or be sentenced to 180 days in jail. DC Code § 22-2514. The following charges are inconsistent with compliance with the Nonviolence Code of Conduct that everyone involved in the A16 action has agreed to follow. We therefore do not expect to see these, but mention them in case of overcharging by the police. All participants in this particular action are asked to agree to these action guidelines. Having this basic agreement allows people from many backgrounds, movements, and beliefs to work together. They are not philosophical or political requirements or judgments about the validity of some tactics over others. These guidelines are basic agreements that create a basis for trust so that we can work together for this action and know what to expect from each other. 1) We will use no violence, physical or verbal, towards any person 2) We will carry no weapons 3) We will not bring or use any alcohol or illegal drugs 4) We will not destroy property Assault on a Police Officer. Any unwanted touching of a police officer is an assault. Touching anything they are holding (nightstick, bullhorn, etc.) is the same as touching the officer. Same for throwing anything at an officer, even if you only accidentally hit them. This is a serious offense, a felony, with a possible $5,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison. DC Code § 22-505. Destruction of property. Less than $250 in damage is a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum $1,000 fine and/or 180 days in jail. More than $250 in damage is a felony, with a maximum penalty of a $5,000 fine and/or 10 years in prison. DC Code § 22-403. Even if there is no "destruction," there is a separate crime of defacing public or private property. DC Code § 22-3112.1. Also, you should know that these charges exist, although it would be very unusual to see them brought against protestors: Kidnapping. It is possible to be convicted of kidnapping for confining someone against their will, even without transporting them anywhere. Be very careful about blocking all the exits of hotels and offices. It is an extremely serious offense -- you can be sentenced to life imprisonment. Rioting or inciting to riot. A group that acts violently and creates "grave danger" of injury or property damage can be fined up to $1,000 and/or sentenced to 180 days in jail. If anyone is harmed or if more than $5,000 in damage occurs, everyone to urged others to take part can receive up to 10 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine. Aiding and Abetting. We have not seen this charge used much, but it is possible that if you help someone commit a crime, you can be charged even if you do not take any actions personally. If you assist them before the crime is committed, you can be charged with the same offense. DC Code § 22-105. If you assist the person after they have committed the crime, you can receive a penalty up to half of the maximum they are subject to. DC Code § 22-106. Conspiracy. Similar to aiding and abetting, when two or more people work together to do something illegal, they can both be charged with the additional offense of conspiracy. Maximum punishment is a $10,000 fine and/or 5 years in prison. DC Code § 22-105a. Unlawful assembly; profane and indecent language. Most jurisdictions have laws like this on the books. As applied to political protest and speech, they are generally unconstitutional and unenforceable. Only individuals in the crowd who become violent or threatening can be convicted under this law. Maximum punishment is $250 fine or 90 days in jail. DC Code § 22-1107. Obstruction of justice. Interfering with a police officer is illegal. Please see resisting or interfering with a police officer above, as the conduct described there is a serious crime. However, bad television has confused some people as to what "obstruction of justice" means. It is not illegal to tell someone being arrested to keep quiet, to ask for a lawyer, etc. It only becomes obstruction of justice if you threaten a witness, intending to intimidate them into refusing to testify truthfully, or if you destroy evidence. DC Code § 22- 722(a) & 723. You never have to talk to the police. Sometimes a prosecutor might be able to subpoena you, but then you will have an official document ordering you to answer questions, and you will have time to get legal assistance before doing so. Absent an arrest, you do not even have to identify yourself to the police. B. Possible federal charges Finally, there are various federal laws that might come into play in a city like Washington. Demonstrations in most parks in this city are regulated by 36 C.F.R. § 7.96(g), which specifies when permits are required and what types of activity are prohibited. Violating any of those rules is punishable by fines and up to six months in jail, under 36 C.F.R. § 1.3. Destruction of federal property is a serious crime. If you do anything less than $1,000 in damage it is punishable by a fine and/or up to 1 year in prison; more serious damage can lead to up to 10 years in prison. Assault on a foreign official (maximum 3 years for simple assault and up to 10 years if a weapon is used; 18 U.S.C. § 112(a)) and intimidation or harassment of a foreign official (up to 6 months in jail; 18 U.S.C. § 112(b)) protect the person, accommodation, and car of any "official guest." Some people have expressed concern that the government may designate the IMF and World Bank buildings "foreign missions." Please know that this changes nothing. You have the same First Amendment rights when protesting outside an embassy or foreign mission as you do anywhere else. It is still lawful to peaceably congregate and express your political views. During the apartheid era, some people were arrested under laws specific to embassies and foreign missions. Many parts of those laws were declared unconstitutional in 1988 in Boos v. Barry and have since been repealed. The sections regarding congregations were not struck down, but were severely limited. The US Supreme Court ruled that police authority to order such a gathering to disperse when "is limited to groups posing a security threat." When a group is posing a security threat, the police can order it to disperse whether it’s a foreign mission or a supermarket or anything else. There might be different laws that come into play here, but what you can and cannot do lawfully is not altered by the designation of an area as a foreign mission. A few people have speculated that the government may use the foreign mission designation as an excuse for creating a "secured zone" around the building, but the truth is that they have the same authority and constitutional limits on authority to do this regardless of whether or not it is a foreign mission or just private property. If the designation "foreign mission" is used, its purpose is probably to cause confusion and discomfort -- it can’t do much more. Assaulting, resisting or impeding a federal official is similar to the DC laws discussed above, except there are maximum punishments of 1 to 10 years, depending on whether a weapon was used. 18 U.S.C. § 111. Finally, the constitutional limitations and exceptions for violating the rules or regulations of a federal building (maximum 30 days and/or a $50 fine) are the same as the similar charges under DC laws listed above. Two other bits of information: The police do not have to say anything to you upon arrest, including telling you your "rights" or what you are being arrested for. Absent an arrest situation, if a police officer approaches you (on the street, for instance) and asks you to identify yourself, you do not have to do so. There is no requirement generally that individuals identify themselves to police officers or carry identification cards (except while driving). If this happens to you, politely decline to identify yourself and ask the officer if you are under arrest or if you are free to leave. If he/she responds that you are free to leave, do so. This is as true for 9-12 protesters as it is for PETA. All of these fines and offences are a good money maker for DC. You are naive if you fail to aknowledge this truth.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
Prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
My brother went to the New Haven IRS office today to submint back-tax forms. The building apparently contains Social Security, Bankruptcy Court, and EPA Enforcement, among others. He went through a "standup" metal detector, then a body scanner, then a "wand" treatment. He had to remove all metal, including his belt, and pass it through an x-ray machine. He mentioned that he'd return covered in a shower curtain next time. The examiners were amused, but the "guys with guns" didn't seem to be. The office didn't have a directory posted. He saw a number of people go down a corridor before the elevators so he started to follow them when a guard called out and told him that he wasn't allowed to go there. He stated that there was no sign advising such. He asked where he should go to file his taxes. The guard said "The third floor." This building has offices of Social Security, IRS, EPA Enforcement, probably others. He entered the elevator and discoverd that the floor buttons were labled as to the various offices in the building. Questions: Why was there no directory for this building? Why was there no signs warning "Employees Only?" I'll tell you about freedom since you seem to be ignorant. In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. That is what you don't "get." Was my brother more "free" for that "exam?" In the late 1980's I went to the local law library. I put all of my metal objects into a container and then stepped through a metal detector. The metal objects were keys and a pocket knife. A few months ago I went to the same law library and I wasn't allowed to put anything into a container because there was no longer a container provided; I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom?
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event. If you know of any reports of arrests you should share them. Good luck.
You read the list of offences and fines.....shall every one be reported to FOX? I provided the list, yet you claim that there were no arrests for hundreds of thousands of people. Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause? Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency?
Why was there no directory for this building? So a poorly marked government building is an example of a loss of freedom? In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. You can still fly from Cleveland to Hartford today. That security has increased doesn't deprive you of the freedom to travel. I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom? You don't have the freedom to take anything you want onto property you do not own. Don't you believe in property rights?
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute. If you know of any arrests made at the event, post the information.
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That fact that you are making a claim that you cannot prove is blatently obvious. Just because you claim it is so because FOX didn't cough up a news report doesn't prove anything. I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending. That's plenty to dispute your claim that not one person was arrested. You do not need to be an actuary to make a logical assessment that there were arrests at the event.......you simply need to be honest, but that seems real hard for you Mister Clean. You claim no arrests......so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think we have been rude and much too hard on you. Besides, what is the harm in allowing one more moron to continue believing he is free? After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron. Ahhh, to have the mindset of a twelve year old, truly my friends, that would be freedom of a sort, me thinks. Knock, knock, knock... "Hey, can you come out and play, there's no school tomorrow?" "You bet, I haven't got anything else to do."
Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency? The cause of currency devaluation is myriad. Poor fiscal policy is probably the number one cause but poor fiscal policy is not tyranny. I suspect that for some on this message board "tyranny" means something they don't agree with. The purpose of a fiat currency is to free it from any tangible backing like gold so that it can be manipulated easier by the central bank and government. Could that be abused? Of course. Does that automatically equal tyranny? No.
A list of offenses is not a list of arrests. You can make all the assessments you wish but without any record, without any reports, they're nothing more than your assessments. If you know of any arrests at the 9/12 event, post the information.
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If you still listen to Alex Jones and take him seriously you are indeed a moron.
Does that automatically equal tyranny? No. Yes it does. You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson: "Paper is poverty... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." "That paper money has some advantages is admitted. But that its abuses also are inevitable and, by breaking up the measure of value, makes a lottery of all private property, cannot be denied." "Private fortunes, in the present state of our circulation, are at the mercy of those self-created money lenders, and are prostrated by the floods of nominal money with which their avarice deluges us." I've only posted his simpler quotes, just so that you might understand them. If you can't see the parallels to today, then you're beyond hope of understanding. But, that isn't your purpose, is it?
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#328. To: Mister Clean (#323)
Tea Party protesters were all over DC and all over the national Mall. They were not herded into any zone.
#329. To: Mister Clean (#323)
#330. To: christine (#327)
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
#331. To: Mister Clean (#294)
"I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny."
#332. To: abraxas (#328)
They had a PERMIT and yes they were herded into a zone, specifically the zone granted by the PERMIT........some free speech and right to assemble.
#333. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#334. To: Jethro Tull (#329)
#335. To: Mister Clean (#332)
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#336. To: wakeup (#331)
We blame folks like you for allowing it to continue.
#337. To: christine (#335)
#338. To: Dakmar, christine (#337)
Can you change my login name to "episodic minutia"?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#339. To: Esso (#338)
#340. To: Mister Clean (#334)
#341. To: Mister Clean (#299)
Have you written down all the things you could do 40 years ago that you can't do today?
#342. To: Dakmar (#339)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#343. To: Jethro Tull (#340)
Life is too short.
#344. To: Jethro Tull, Mr Clean (#340)
Adios pant load. Life is too short.
#345. To: christine (#327)
if accomplishment is measured in making a whole lot of folks aware (for starters) of the two party fraud, the corruptness that exists in government, and the power/shadow behind the facade, then, i would say, yes.
#346. To: Esso (#342)
I'll bet at least 1-in- 100,000 Uhhmerkkins is clever enough to figure that out.
#347. To: Mister Clean (#343)
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Get back to me when you can actually list all the things you can't do today that you could do 40 years ago.
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#348. To: wakeup (#341)
Somehow, someone made my paper money less valuable than it was. In order for them to do that, the backing by gold and silver had to be dropped and allowing bills to be printed up without the precious asset to back it. Who had the power to pull such a scam? Who benefitted all these years slowly devaluing the paper we call money? Tyrants. Who suffers? We do.
#349. To: Mister Clean (#348)
(Edited)
You're not being oppressed because you can't buy 4 gallons of milk with a dollar bill.
#350. To: Mister Clean (#332)
Nobody herded them, they walked through the streets and took the Metro on their own. They gathered on the Mall because having a protest in the ghettos of Southeast DC wouldn't have worked out so well.
#351. To: abraxas (#350)
Nobody was shot.....plenty were arrested, as usual for PERMIT protests in DC.
#352. To: Mister Clean (#351)
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
#353. To: Mister Clean (#334)
#354. To: abraxas (#352)
Prove it.
#355. To: Mister Clean (#354)
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event.
#356. To: Mister Clean (#348)
I could argue that devaluation is the destiny of every fiat currency but that's not because of tyranny.
#357. To: rack42 (#353)
#358. To: abraxas (#355)
Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
#359. To: Mister Clean (#343)
Are you able to stop paying taxes whenever you want, without fear of
recrimination from the tax authorities?
No Yes
Do you have a real, meaningful say in whether your government chooses to go to
war against another nation? If your government decides to go to war, are you
able to veto that decision?
No Yes
Vote fraud is rampant in Western nations, and the imposition of audit-less
electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided (as Stalin
admitted) not by those who vote, but by those who count the vote. Can you
refuse a dishonest voting process?
No Yes
Do you have the right to keep and bear whatever arms you desire? Are you able
to carry arms in public to defend yourself when required?
No Yes
Do you have the right and the ability to prevent authorities from searching
through your private records without cause and without warrant?
No Yes
Are you able to travel freely, wherever and whenever you wish, without
government interference in the form of visas?
No Yes
Most Western nations have huge budget deficits. Can you refuse responsibility
for payments on debts the government incurred without your permission?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to be photographed by the hundreds (sometimes thousands)
of closed circuit cameras located all over cities by wearing a disguise
whenever in public? Can you wear a motorcycle helmet when entering banks,
government buildings or other public places?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to send your children to the military, knowing that if
they go they will be drafted into a war that you had no say over?
No Yes
Are you able to choose the treatment you receive for a chronic illness? Are you
able to freely question or change a prescription provided by a doctor?
No Yes
#360. To: Mister Clean (#358)
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute.
#361. To: Mister Clean (#348)
#362. To: rack42 (#356)
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause?
#363. To: abraxas (#360)
I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending.
#364. To: Flintlock, all (#361)
#365. To: wakeup (#361)
After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron.
#366. To: Mister Clean (#362)
poor fiscal policy is not tyranny
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