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Title: Alex Jones disrupts 2nd Amendment rally, divides protest
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw
Published: Jan 25, 2010
Author: WACAustin
Post Date: 2010-01-27 09:58:48 by randge
Keywords: Alex Jones, guns shows, protest, Austin
Views: 5095
Comments: 390
Alex Jones Exposes... Alex Jones! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw Alex Jones Turns Peaceful Gun Rights Demonstration Into CHAOS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJ4zhiB2s4 You Gotta Hard On for Me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWM17wiHhww Poster Comment: I won't tax you with a lot of blabber & half-baked opinion. You all here are big folks and know the meaning of what you see. Patience with the second video. There is a lot of lens time on the pavement, but it bears watching all the way through. Most interested in your comments.
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#351. To: abraxas (#350)
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
Prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
My brother went to the New Haven IRS office today to submint back-tax forms. The building apparently contains Social Security, Bankruptcy Court, and EPA Enforcement, among others. He went through a "standup" metal detector, then a body scanner, then a "wand" treatment. He had to remove all metal, including his belt, and pass it through an x-ray machine. He mentioned that he'd return covered in a shower curtain next time. The examiners were amused, but the "guys with guns" didn't seem to be. The office didn't have a directory posted. He saw a number of people go down a corridor before the elevators so he started to follow them when a guard called out and told him that he wasn't allowed to go there. He stated that there was no sign advising such. He asked where he should go to file his taxes. The guard said "The third floor." This building has offices of Social Security, IRS, EPA Enforcement, probably others. He entered the elevator and discoverd that the floor buttons were labled as to the various offices in the building. Questions: Why was there no directory for this building? Why was there no signs warning "Employees Only?" I'll tell you about freedom since you seem to be ignorant. In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. That is what you don't "get." Was my brother more "free" for that "exam?" In the late 1980's I went to the local law library. I put all of my metal objects into a container and then stepped through a metal detector. The metal objects were keys and a pocket knife. A few months ago I went to the same law library and I wasn't allowed to put anything into a container because there was no longer a container provided; I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom?
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event. If you know of any reports of arrests you should share them. Good luck.
You read the list of offences and fines.....shall every one be reported to FOX? I provided the list, yet you claim that there were no arrests for hundreds of thousands of people. Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause? Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency?
Why was there no directory for this building? So a poorly marked government building is an example of a loss of freedom? In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. You can still fly from Cleveland to Hartford today. That security has increased doesn't deprive you of the freedom to travel. I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom? You don't have the freedom to take anything you want onto property you do not own. Don't you believe in property rights?
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute. If you know of any arrests made at the event, post the information.
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That fact that you are making a claim that you cannot prove is blatently obvious. Just because you claim it is so because FOX didn't cough up a news report doesn't prove anything. I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending. That's plenty to dispute your claim that not one person was arrested. You do not need to be an actuary to make a logical assessment that there were arrests at the event.......you simply need to be honest, but that seems real hard for you Mister Clean. You claim no arrests......so prove it.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I think we have been rude and much too hard on you. Besides, what is the harm in allowing one more moron to continue believing he is free? After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron. Ahhh, to have the mindset of a twelve year old, truly my friends, that would be freedom of a sort, me thinks. Knock, knock, knock... "Hey, can you come out and play, there's no school tomorrow?" "You bet, I haven't got anything else to do."
Tell us. What is the purpose of a fiat currency? The cause of currency devaluation is myriad. Poor fiscal policy is probably the number one cause but poor fiscal policy is not tyranny. I suspect that for some on this message board "tyranny" means something they don't agree with. The purpose of a fiat currency is to free it from any tangible backing like gold so that it can be manipulated easier by the central bank and government. Could that be abused? Of course. Does that automatically equal tyranny? No.
A list of offenses is not a list of arrests. You can make all the assessments you wish but without any record, without any reports, they're nothing more than your assessments. If you know of any arrests at the 9/12 event, post the information.
LOSS OF US CIVIL LIBERTIES- click "more"
If you still listen to Alex Jones and take him seriously you are indeed a moron.
Does that automatically equal tyranny? No. Yes it does. You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson: "Paper is poverty... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." "That paper money has some advantages is admitted. But that its abuses also are inevitable and, by breaking up the measure of value, makes a lottery of all private property, cannot be denied." "Private fortunes, in the present state of our circulation, are at the mercy of those self-created money lenders, and are prostrated by the floods of nominal money with which their avarice deluges us." I've only posted his simpler quotes, just so that you might understand them. If you can't see the parallels to today, then you're beyond hope of understanding. But, that isn't your purpose, is it?
Gee, do I have the freedom to do that?
Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 Of course, you could say that the New Jersey policeman is a plant. And the Old lady is a plant.
Gee, do I have the freedom to do that? What? To do what? Please be specific.
If a bear craps in the woods but nobody bothered to report the crapping to FOX, then no crapping occured.......lol. First you claim there were no designated areas......which was BS because every permit protest designates them. Now you claim no arrests for hundereds of thousands of people and refuse to back up your claims. You're full of crap Mister Clean.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We're talking about the 9/12/2009 Tea Party event in DC.
The absence of news reports that mention any arrests is more proof than your "assessments." If you have any information about any arrests, post that information.
Why was there no directory for this building? So a poorly marked government building is an example of a loss of freedom? Answer the question: Why was there no directory for this building? In 1981 I caught the "red eye" out of Cleveland to Hartford; no luggage, no questions. That is freedom. You can still fly from Cleveland to Hartford today. That security has increased doesn't deprive you of the freedom to travel. You don't want to understand what freedom is, do you? Why is there an increase in security? Submitting to "security" is a loss of freedom. What is it that you don't understand? Submitting isn't Freeedom. I couldn't enter the library until I came without my pocket knife and USB drive. That is freedom? You don't have the freedom to take anything you want onto property you do not own. Don't you believe in property rights? I believe in property rights. Who owns state libraries? The State? Who is the State? Show me the being that is the State. My point was not your diversion into property rights but the increase of the lack of freedom. But you knew that.
LOL
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
you sure do have an obsession with Alex Jones. i think you're the one who takes him far more seriously than the rest of us.
Go polish some neocon knobbery.
LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Agreed. It's not tyranny. It's corruption and bullying. Corruption is a precursor to tyranny. They have the tyrannical tools in the toolbox ready to be used against us. They practice using them on occasion. The tyranny is coming.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or It's not tyranny. It's corruption and bullying. Corruption is a precursor to tyranny. Exactly! I think a lot of people on this site and elsewhere are inaccurately labeling corruption and bullying as "tyranny." To call airport security measures tyranny is to water down the word and what it represents. They have the tyrannical tools in the toolbox ready to be used against us. They practice using them on occasion. The tyranny is coming. Yes, I could see that happening especially if that long predicted economic collapse finally arrives and the social order breaks down. I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
You don't want to understand what freedom is, do you? Why is there an increase in security? Submitting to "security" is a loss of freedom. What is it that you don't understand? Submitting isn't Freeedom. After 9/11 you actually ask why there's an increase in security? I believe in property rights. Who owns state libraries? The State? Who is the State? Show me the being that is the State. Does the state not enjoy property rights? If you feel so strongly about your desire to carry a USB stick and pocket knife into a public library, you can lobby your state government to change. If you believe that freedom means you can do anything you want anywhere you want you are the one who doesn't understand freedom. Anarchy isn't freedom and anarchy is not what the men who created this nation had in mind.
Alex Jones is the topic of this thread. Duh!
Who gives a shit? I don't.
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is. We need quality, but added numbers of people would be nice. IMO we can take care of any antisocial behavior ourselves. I despise criminals with and without badges. They make themselves targets. And, we shoot better than they do.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I see civil unrest as the most likely trigger for the imposition of real tyranny in America. It could come as the result of a large scale terror attack as well but I think that's much, much less likely.
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now.
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now. Brother Nathaniel wrote an article questioning Alex's being soft on Zionism and in the process mentioned that Alex's wife was Jewish asking the question as to whether that was the cause, and whether Alex's behavior towards Israel and Zionism was the effect. Jeff linked to the article and Alex went off in a foaming rage calling Rense personally and threatening to "Destroy Him" (per Jeff) and then contacted Ted Anderson who under pressure from his meal ticket for Genesis immediately canceled Jeff's program. (Given the speed with which Rense was cancelled - within 24 hours of the linking I am inclined to believe Jeff's account. I have never caught him in a lie and I have been listening to him almost continuously since he first came on the air - he originally had more of an Art Bell Schtick but intellectually superior. I was on the "frequent caller plant" as at that time he took calls. Interestingly Art, Clear Channel, Bell has attacked Rense as well.) Just reading between the lines I think that there was already some bad blood there. Alex had been doing a monthly slot with Jeff, which I enjoyed immensely as they balance each other - Jeff is too mellow and Alex too bombastic - and that suddenly, without any warning or comment by Jeff, ceased. Now the last day that he was scheduled I happened to be listening to Alex's show and he set up the break by saying he had too many commitments and was going start cutting back some beginning that night - the night he was scheduled to be on Rense. Jeff made no comments about it but just scheduled someone else for the slot. I would note that Jeff has a large audience and I believe it was growing significantly while he was on Genesis. Up to that point Jeff had increasingly been getting censored and shut out of markets because of his tough stance on Zionism. He was, I believe, the number one show in his slot in my area and on a 50,000 Watt Station which abruptly cancelled him to put the strictly second tier Phil Hendry on in his place. While I sometimes find Brother Nathaniel a bit "over the top" he nevertheless raises some interesting questions which have some backing - at least circumstantially. Here is a link to the article by Brother Nathaniel: Is Alex Jones a Zionist Shill?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
thanks so much!
wow, i just reread Jeff's email detailing the event.
You are most welcome.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nobody was shot.....plenty were arrested, as usual for PERMIT protests in DC.
#352. To: Mister Clean (#351)
Nobody was arrested at the 9/12 event in DC.
#353. To: Mister Clean (#334)
#354. To: abraxas (#352)
Prove it.
#355. To: Mister Clean (#354)
There are no news reports that cite any arrests made at the 9/12 event.
#356. To: Mister Clean (#348)
I could argue that devaluation is the destiny of every fiat currency but that's not because of tyranny.
#357. To: rack42 (#353)
#358. To: abraxas (#355)
Your claim is no arrests, so prove it.
#359. To: Mister Clean (#343)
Are you able to stop paying taxes whenever you want, without fear of
recrimination from the tax authorities?
No Yes
Do you have a real, meaningful say in whether your government chooses to go to
war against another nation? If your government decides to go to war, are you
able to veto that decision?
No Yes
Vote fraud is rampant in Western nations, and the imposition of audit-less
electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided (as Stalin
admitted) not by those who vote, but by those who count the vote. Can you
refuse a dishonest voting process?
No Yes
Do you have the right to keep and bear whatever arms you desire? Are you able
to carry arms in public to defend yourself when required?
No Yes
Do you have the right and the ability to prevent authorities from searching
through your private records without cause and without warrant?
No Yes
Are you able to travel freely, wherever and whenever you wish, without
government interference in the form of visas?
No Yes
Most Western nations have huge budget deficits. Can you refuse responsibility
for payments on debts the government incurred without your permission?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to be photographed by the hundreds (sometimes thousands)
of closed circuit cameras located all over cities by wearing a disguise
whenever in public? Can you wear a motorcycle helmet when entering banks,
government buildings or other public places?
No Yes
Are you able to refuse to send your children to the military, knowing that if
they go they will be drafted into a war that you had no say over?
No Yes
Are you able to choose the treatment you receive for a chronic illness? Are you
able to freely question or change a prescription provided by a doctor?
No Yes
#360. To: Mister Clean (#358)
The fact that there are no reports of arrests is proof enough especially in light of the fact you've offered nothing in dispute.
#361. To: Mister Clean (#348)
#362. To: rack42 (#356)
If it is not because of tyranny, then what is the cause?
#363. To: abraxas (#360)
I gave you the list of offences and a round about figure on the number of people attending.
#364. To: Flintlock, all (#361)
#365. To: wakeup (#361)
After long days, weeks, months and years of dealing with the mostly brain-dead, sometimes, I wish I too was a moron.
#366. To: Mister Clean (#362)
poor fiscal policy is not tyranny
#367. To: rack42 (#366)
You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson
#368. To: Mister Clean (#363)
If you know of any arrests at the 9/12 event, post the information
#369. To: Mister Clean (#367)
You apparently disagree with Thomas Jefferson
#370. To: Mister Clean (#363)
(Edited)
A list of offenses is not a list of arrests. You can make all the assessments you wish but without any record, without any reports, they're nothing more than your assessments.
#371. To: rack42 (#368)
Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11
#372. To: abraxas (#370)
Now you claim no arrests for hundereds of thousands of people and refuse to back up your claims.
#373. To: Mister Clean (#357)
#374. To: christine (#295)
you must be an IRS agent.
#375. To: Mister Clean (#365)
#376. To: Mister Clean (#357)
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#377. To: wakeup, Mister Clean (#361)
I think we have been rude and much too hard on you. Besides, what is the harm in allowing one more moron to continue believing he is free?
Lord Acton
#378. To: Mister Clean, all (#294)
I don't buy into the idea that Americans are under some horrible tyranny.
die kill ~~ Me
#379. To: PSUSA (#378)
#380. To: rack42 (#373)
#381. To: christine (#375)
you sure do have an obsession with Alex Jones
#382. To: rack42 (#373)
(Edited)
Answer the question: Why was there no directory for this building?
#383. To: Mister Clean (#379)
I would add that if we do see real, hardcore tyranny in the streets of America, it will be the result of civil unrest and anti-social behavior.
die kill ~~ Me
#384. To: PSUSA (#383)
I hope it comes because of the civil unrest. That would drive those people into our camp. They will then finally find out who the real enemy is.
#385. To: Original_Intent (#38)
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis before he did have an equal or larger audience thus pre-empting Alex's leverage over Ted and his indirect control of Genesis and what it broadcasts. Although he may well be a narcissist I suspect the motivation was more a matter of Rense actually being a purveyor of the truth which conflicted with Alex's disinformation operation.
#386. To: christine (#385)
Thus his attack on Jeff Rense and getting Rense, who has a huge audience which was coming close to rivaling Alex's, and having him kicked off of Genesis before he did have an equal or larger audience thus pre-empting Alex's leverage over Ted and his indirect control of Genesis and what it broadcasts. Although he may well be a narcissist I suspect the motivation was more a matter of Rense actually being a purveyor of the truth which conflicted with Alex's disinformation operation.
#387. To: christine, Original_Intent (#385)
what were the circumstances surrounding the fallout with Rense? i can't remember now.
#388. To: Original_Intent (#386)
#389. To: TwentyTwelve (#387)
#390. To: christine (#388)
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