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Title: New Right Jonathan Bowden Marxism & Frankfurt School
Source: Youtube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnBQUJJ-7iE
Published: Nov 4, 2008
Author: RavenBannerHome
Post Date: 2010-01-30 16:09:26 by Deasy
Ping List: *Up to the Sun*     Subscribe to *Up to the Sun*
Keywords: communism, BNP, Mao, Pol Pot
Views: 390
Comments: 24

  1. part one
  2. part two
  3. part three
  4. part four
  5. part five
  6. part six
  7. part seven (final)


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Fails to focus on Frankfurt completely but usually good material is presented when he meanders. Subscribe to *Up to the Sun*

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Adorno Monument in Frankfurt (desk, chair, lamp, carpet and other utilities like the metronome of his working room).
Outline: rambling lecture identifying leaders of the Frankfurt school such as T. Adorno as being morally bankrupt communists who have gained an audience in the west since they arrived before WWII. More material on communism itself than the Frankfurters.

Frankfurt's influence evident in that explicit Marxism has lost favor, but a marriage of liberalism and communism has gained favor.

Marx wanted to smash all progressive theory that came before him. Science and mathematics would be there to prove everything based on matter. Hegelian Dialectics based on the thoughts of Heraclitis.

Maoists knew that leaders, including moral officers, had to be purged so that the masses could be fully manipulated.

Marx was a member of the "free ones," (Die Freien) with Engles. At that time, liberalism went with nationalism. Goy Engles financed Marx's work.

Two types of communists:

  1. Nice, loving, naive. The Vicar's daughter. Usually eliminated by the second.
  2. Misanthropes who just want power.
Trotskyism most extreme form of communism. Always the struggle. "The necessity of red terror." Pol Pot: political potential. Was a student in Paris. Maoists believed that "Family is a gun in the hands of the bourgeoise."

Hybrid has developed between Marxism and post war liberalism liberalism.

Marxism: always focused on crisis. Dialectic. Endless critique of what has gone before opens new possibilities.

Frankfurters follow this pattern, but also harp on the Holocaust.

Odd concern with totalitarianism for Marxists. Frankfurters originated the F-scale: fascism scale. Test for the authoritarian personality. Political correctness. Rigidity. Jewish Theodore W. Adorno, a German born apologist for communism. (Immigrated to USA in 1938. Returned to Germany to teach in Frankfurt.)

Adorno: after Auschwitz there can be no poetry. "Barbaric" to write poetry now.

Jewish nature of communism. Usually half of communist leadership is comprised of Jews.

Communism: impose dialectical purity on the masses.

We should hold contemporary society responsible for accepting Frankfurt school's ideas.

Robert Conquest. Criticized Stalinists. Wrote books Great Terror, Great Famine, and a book on Lenin. Pioneer in revisionism. Sartre told camps in Soviet bloc, told they were based on love. Redeeming soul of man, but man doesn't have a soul.

Culturally and spiritually, empirical knowledge, listening to people... corruption, too pleasant for their own good. Sartre wanted a humanist justification for Stalinism. Sartre and his wife Simone de Beauvoir joined a Maoist group at the end of their lives.

Overall a good listen. More from Bowden at http://www.jonathanbowden.co.uk/articles.html

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   16:36:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deasy (#1) (Edited)

sometimes, if brown was hungry at the end of the day, and in a certain mood, they’d go to gray’s papaya for the recession special….

milgrim was comforted by gray’s papaya… milgrim doubted that gray’s comforted brown, exactly, but he did know that brown could become relatively talkative there. he’d have the nonalchoholic pina colada with his franks and lay out the origins of cultural marxism in america.

cultural marxism was what other people called political correctness, according to brown, and had come to the united states from germany, after world war II, in the cunning skulls of a clutch of youngish professors from frankfurt. the frankfurt school, as they’d called themselves, had wasted no time in plunging their intellectual ovipositors repeatedly into the unuspecting body of oldschool american academia.

milgrim always enjoyed this part; it had an appealing vintage sci-fi campiness to it, staccato and exciting, with grainy monochrome eurocommie star-spawn in tweed jackets and knit ties, breeding like starbucks. but he’d always be brought down, as the rant rolled to a close, by brown’s point that the frankfurt school had been jewish, all of them. “every... last... one...” dabbing mustard from the corners of his mouth with a precisely folded paper napkin. “look it up.”

from william gibson's "spook country"

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-30   17:38:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: groundresonance (#2)

Better we had left them in the fatherland.

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   18:35:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deasy (#3) (Edited)

it's interesting that gibson had to downpedal his knowledge of what's happening by attributing that knowledge to the villain...

but then again, we know who runs the publishing business.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-30   18:38:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: groundresonance (#4)

I think readership drives the publishing business, and Americans are well trained to read safe material.

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   18:41:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deasy (#5) (Edited)

if you've browsed the bookracks at your supermarket lately, you'll realize that common americans, who wouldnt be caught dead in a real library, have no choice in what they read.

which is understandable, given that the same people run the publishing biz as run the rest of the media.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-30   18:44:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: groundresonance (#6)

If readers wanted to learn more, they would demand it.

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   18:48:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deasy (#7)

If readers wanted to learn more, they would demand it.

that's the beauty of it, isnt it?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-30   18:55:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: groundresonance (#8)

It's the essential mechanism. We get what we deserve.

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   18:57:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deasy (#9)

we get what other people decide we deserve

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-30   18:59:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: groundresonance (#10)

Land of the free, eh? Not the home of the brave. Slaves are always complicit in their own subjugation.

Deasy  posted on  2010-01-30   19:01:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deasy (#11)

are you trying to say that common americans are not deliberately kept in a state of ignorance and confusion by the neocon bullshit artists?

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