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Title: Academy chapel to add outdoor circle to worship areas (New worship area for pagans and Wicca at Air Force Academy)
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URL Source: http://www.usafa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123187157
Published: Jan 31, 2010
Author: Staff Sgt. Don Branum
Post Date: 2010-01-31 15:19:17 by Ferret Mike
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1/26/2010 - U.S. AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. -- The Air Force Academy chapel will add a worship area for followers of Earth-centered religions during a dedication ceremony, which is tentatively scheduled to be held at the circle March 10. The circle, located atop the hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and Visitor Center, will be the latest addition to a collection of worship areas that includes Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces. Tech. Sgt. Brandon Longcrier, NCO in charge of the Academy's Astronautics laboratories, worked with the chapel to create the official worship area for both cadets and other servicemembers in the Colorado Springs area who practice Earth-centered spirituality. "Feel free to check the site out, but treat it as you would any other religious structure," he said. The stones that now form the inner and outer rings of the circle once sat near the Visitor Center, where the chance of erosion made the rocks a safety hazard. The 10th Civil Engineer Squadron moved the rocks to the top of the hill in spring and early summer. Once finished, the circle will also include materials from a smaller circle that Sergeant Longcrier briefly set up in Jacks Valley. "We used the (Jacks Valley) circle during Basic Cadet Training, and it was great," he said. However, the new circle offers significant advantages. "The circle that we secured in December is much bigger, better and closer to the cadet area," he explained. "This will allow cadets to use the circle anytime they feel the need." The Academy's chaplains have supported Sergeant Longcrier's efforts every step of the way, the NCO said. "There really haven't been any obstacles for the new circle," he said. "The chaplain's office has been 100-percent supportive." "Every servicemember is charged with defending freedom for all Americans, and that includes freedom to practice our religion of choice or, for that matter, not to practice any faith at all," said Chaplain (Lt. Col.) William Ziegler, Cadet Wing chaplain. "Being in the military isn't just a job -- it's a calling. We all take an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and that means we've all sworn to protect one another's religious liberties. We all put on our uniforms the same way; we're all Airmen first." The presence of diverse worship areas reflects a sea change from five years ago, when reports surfaced alleging religious intolerance at the Academy. Sergeant Longcrier became Pagan shortly after arriving at the Academy in 2006 and said he believes the climate has improved dramatically. "When I first arrived here, Earth-centered cadets didn't have anywhere to call home," he said. "Now, they meet every Monday night, they get to go on retreats, and they have a stone circle. ... We have representation on the Cadet Interfaith Council, and I even meet with the Chaplains at Peterson Air Force Base once a year to discuss religious climate." Earth-centered spirituality includes traditions such as Wicca, Druidism and several other religious paths that, while relatively new, trace their roots to pre-Christian Europe, Sergeant Longcrier said. Gerald Gardner founded the first Wiccan tradition in England in 1952, with neo-Druidism following in the early 1960s. Some Earth-centered traditions involve the worship of gods and goddesses, whereas others may involve only one deity or none at all. Reincarnation is a popular concept, as is rebirth and celebrating the cycle of the seasons. Famous outdoor worship circles include Stonehenge and Avebury in England and Native American sites such as the Bighorn Medicine Wheel in Wyoming and Cahokia Henge in Missouri. A worship circle at Fort Hood, Texas, became a flashpoint for discussions about Paganism in the U.S. military after it was established by the Sacred Well Congregation in 1999. The Fort Hood Open Circle was vandalized on four separate occasions from 1999 to 2000, including an incident Oct. 27, 2000, in which the half-ton limestone altar was destroyed outright. In response, a member of the Sacred Well Congregation wrote, "If we speak together, we are a chorus to be heard. If we whisper alone, we are but a sigh in the dead of night." "We want to create that chorus," Chaplain Ziegler said. "We want to invite the Academy leadership, the Cadet Interfaith Council, the news media and people from every religious background for the dedication ceremony. We want this dedication service to be another example of celebrating the freedom we enjoy as well as the freedom we, as Airmen, have pledged to defend."
Tech. Sgt. Robert Longcrier uses white sage to consecrate an Earth-centered worship area on the hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and the Visitor Center at the Air Force Academy just after sunrise on the winter solstice, Dec. 21, 2009. The chapel is scheduled to officially designate the circle as a Pagan chapel during a dedication ceremony in March 2010. Sergeant Longcrier is the Earth-centered ley leader at the Academy. (U.S. Air Force photo/Staff Sgt. Don Branum)
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#1. To: Ferret Mike, Disgusted (#0)
This has got to be upsetting a lot of fundamentalist Christians. That'll help them to see how voting for Sarah Palin (or her replacement) next year is the only choice they have for "saving the country."
I used to catch much indirect fire over the Wicca on my dogtags. Personally like this move very much.
Wicca is mostly Masonic gibberish and phony history.
And you are telling me this humorous misrepresenting of my religion because...?
AF of my day we barely tolerated Catholics let alone Pagans.
Yeah, just a few year ago there was much controversy about all the proselytizing fundies were doing there. It is nice to see them taking the First Amendment seriously. This circle is very low impact and very much appreciated by people like me as it allows people of my faith to get to know each other and to manifest our religion better in our daily lives. This is a good thing, we have several like it locally as well.
If the government is going to recognize one fairytale invisible sky creature, then they have no choice but to recognize all fairytale invisible sky creatures.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Yep, I know the Pastafarians at DU are ecstatic at this turn of events. Will they all get naked and get into a brawling love-fest on You-Tube for a publick religious worship exercise exhorting demons and casting demons? If not, I don't care.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
weasel First you deny being a gaia worshiping wacko wicca, now you post an article about it. between your leftest obama loving and your wacko gaia worship, is there ANY loony anti-American idea you don't embrace? I doubt it.
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
More Americans Are Wiccan, and Will Celebrate Samhain, Not Halloween, Saturday By RUSSELL GOLDMAN Oct. 30, 2009— Patti Wigington is a soccer mom. She is the vice president of her local PTA. And she's a witch. This Saturday while her neighborhood outside Columbus, Ohio, is crawling with costumed witches in search of candy, Wigington and a group of other local witches will not be celebrating Halloween, but the new year festival Samhain, which also occurs Oct. 31. In her backyard, Wigington and six other local women who make up her coven will stand in a circle, each holding a lit candle dedicated to a dead ancestor. They will offer an invocation in each direction of the four winds. They will build an altar upon which they will offer their deceased ancestors gifts of food and wine and "celebrate the coming of the dark half of the year& and do a ritual that honors death." When she gets to the part about death, Wigington, a middle-aged mother of three, stops for moment in her explanation of a typical Samhain ritual. "Look," she says, "I know some people are freaked out by death. But death is part of the life cycle. This time of year we say farewell to the garden, to the crops and to our ancestors. We welcome and celebrate the coming of the dark half of the year. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2375218/posts Well Buck, I have been to ceremonies that involved nakedness, but we don't do the Hell Devil thing. That sort of trip is a Christian thing.
I saw that exchange. Funny!
I denied not a thing, dick head. I told you quite accurately your use of Gaia is your word choice. You just never read for content having a brain on perpetual TILT and always short on pinball flippers.
So did a lot of people. It proves the Weasel is not only a wacko, but a liar too.
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
I'm going to enjoy seeing Christians who claim to be constitutionalists scream in outrage over this. I've seen it time and again. Many of them appear only to believe in the first amendment when it favors their Christian cults. Either that or they believe that since this nation was "founded by Christians" no other group of fairytale believers deserve the same considerations they demand for themselves.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
It's all in the way we look at it. I prefer "funny."
Careful what you wish for. This will definitely be grist for the right wing Christian mill. Watch for it. I can see Pat Robertson and others using this to campaign for a Republican.
You can count on that.
That place has gone to pot, so to speak! ROTFL.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
My problem isn't that a Republican will get elected. It's that only a Republican or a Democrat will get elected. We're buffeted back and forth between puppets who claim to be saving us from fates worse than death when they both have the same agenda. How do Wiccans feel about Obama's continued involvement in Afghanistan? Nothing changed. NOTHING. Even the Gaia worshipers really got nothing. Who gives a flying ding dong if they now have an official circle? They could have always made their own before. Otherwise they weren't worth their salt.
Yes, the US was founded for religios freedom. For christianity. We dont persecute people because of thier religion. But we allow muslims and athiests and whatnot to sue Jesus out of public life. Try going to a muslim country and sueing to have Allah taken out of the classroom.Muslims and others start crying and beating drums if a politician says something they think is suspect. Go to a muslim contry, and you better not even let them know you are christian.We need to do that here.Do your false religon thing and shut up! Be glad we dont do to you what you would do to us in your country. Now wiccans want to pray and dance to satan on govt property. It just never stops blog.beliefnet.com/deacon...wiccan-worship-space.html Pathetic.
They should ELIMINATE all shrines and worship areas and stop wasting tax dollars creating more. The First Amendment gives all a right to practice whatever religion folks want.......but it doesn't say anything about taxdollars wasted on worship areas in the military or any other goobermint property. If religious groups want shrines.......pay for them with your own bake sale money and buy some PRIVATE property to build them on. This is ridiculous.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It's hard to send people off to die without letting them seek spiritual solace on the way. Chaplains will always be present on the battlefield and on military bases. What we're seeing here is Balkanization. Then again, Christians have a penchant for marching off to war.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Obviously, it is even harder to interpret and follow the Constitution. I support the right of each person to worship as they wish.......I don't support paying for their shrines--this includes Christians. Yes, have spiritual support on the battlefield and on the base. A human to provide the support is sufficient, no shrine or cirle or synagog or church or statue should be provided at the taxpayer expense. When will this end? Shall we put in shrines for the athiests next? How about building tabernacles for the Mormons on every bases? Sanctuaries for every variety of Baptist? Shall the satanists also have shrines built?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
While the Protestants make up the largest group of Christians in the U.S., the largest single Christian denomination in the U.S. are Catholics. After that are the Baptists, Methodist/Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian so on and so forth, most of which hands down reject Pat Robertson's "theology." Robertson couldn't win the primary when he ran for president in 1988 and I do not believe he would do it today either. Let them bitch and moan all they want. Only 83% of Americans are Christian and out of those 82%, a large enough percentage of them are either liberal or nonpolitical to the point that I do not believe they would vote for the type of mouth-breather you are describing. That's not even counting the number of people that claim to be Christian but only because it helps keep peace in the family or makes them look good to their boss (or customers). IMHO, the people you are describing are a very small minority of the overall Christian population.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
This moron makes my point better than I ever could.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
He votes, and he watches the 700 club.
Really? I would agree with Atheists doing this, but Muslims? This guy is obviously a Christian Zionist. I've seen tons more Jews bitch about Christianity in public life than Muslims. See this jerkwad wants his cake and eat it too. He wants Jesus in public life while at the same time wanting to keep every other fairytale invisible sky creature out of public life. IMHO it should either be one way or the other. Either they are ALL part of public life or NONE of them are a part of public life.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I still believe that he and his ilk are a very small minority of the Christian population.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
He's probably a registered Republican too.
LOL! Of that there is no doubt in my mind. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Once chaplains are accepted into the military, they are paid, trained and deployed by the government. But they remain subservient to their endorsers, who can cancel their endorsements at any time. That is what happened to Larsen, according to unclassified military e-mail messages. When the Sacred Well Congregation applied July 31 to become Larsen's new endorser, the Army initially cited a minor bureaucratic obstacle: It could not find a copy of his previous endorsement from the Chaplaincy of Full Gospel Churches, a Dallas-based association of Pentecostal churches. The following day, a senior Army chaplain telephoned the Chaplaincy to ask for the form. Within hours, the Pentecostal group sent Larsen an urgent e-mail saying it had received a "strange call" from the Army Chief of Chaplains office. The caller "mentioned that a Donald M. Larsen ... was requesting a change-over ... to Wiccans," the e-mail said. "Please communicate with this office, as we do not believe it is you." In his reply, Larsen pleaded that the Chaplaincy not cancel his endorsement until he could complete the switch, but the Chaplaincy immediately severed its ties to Larsen. The Sacred Well Congregation could not renew his papers because it was not yet an official endorser. Larsen was ordered to cease functioning immediately as a chaplain and pulled from Iraq. Lt. Col. Randall Dolinger, the Army Chief of Chaplains spokesman, denied any discrimination: "What you're really dealing with is more of a personal drama, what one person has been through and the choices he's made. Plus, the fact that the military does have Catch-22s." Brig. Gen. Cecil Richardson, the Air Force's deputy chief of chaplains, says there are simply too few Wiccans in the military to justify a full-time chaplain. According to Pentagon figures, however, some faiths with similarly small numbers in the ranks do have chaplains. Among the nearly 2,900 clergy on active duty are 41 Mormon chaplains for 17,513 Mormons in uniform, 22 rabbis for 4,038 Jews, 11 imams for 3,386 Muslims, six teachers for 636 Christian Scientists, and one Buddhist chaplain for 4,546 Buddhists. Larsen has since gone home to Melba, Idaho. Divorced since 2004, he is living with his children and serving as an artillery officer in the Idaho Army National Guard http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003586870_wiccan24.html This is from an article about a Christian Chaplain who converted to my faith and was denied the right to switch to continue his job in his religion of choice. Chaplains have an important role in the miltary, and I know from how Christian chaplains worm talk of Jesus into every oppertunity to talk to a military member it would be nice to see the myopia about this aspect of how religion is treated in the military to change too.
Wiccans and Afghanistan. What about it?
I spent 15 years in the army and was in Panama, Saudi/Kuwait/Iraq (Desert Storm), Somalia, Haiti and Bosnia. I never once had need of a sky-god propagandist and think the money spent paying their salaries could be better spent improving the living conditions of lower enlisted troops, both in the barracks and on post housing. As far as I'm concerned, if the various religious groups and their believers serving in uniform want to speak with sky god propagandists, then they can get together and pay for them themselves. Of course that will never happen. The military needs the sky god propagandists to ensure that the soldiers will believe that the wars they are fighting are righteous and that they are on the side of "god" and will fly to heaven once they are killed.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Of course that will never happen. The military needs the sky god propagandists to ensure that the soldiers will believe that the wars they are fighting are righteous and that they are on the side of "god" and will fly to heaven once they are killed. bump that!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Much of what we now know as the modern Pagan movement arose out of the counter- culture of the 1960's. Both the anti-war movement and the influx of pacifist ideas from Eastern religions contributed to a suspicion of all things having to do with the military. Back then, anyone putting on a uniform was classified an unprincipled murderer. Not all of this misapprehension about the military has been vanquished, as is clearly demonstrated to anyone who has read Isaac Bonewits' position on policemen and soldiers. To those who would attack the military professional because they fear that his or her career choice is in violation of the Rede - that first one will do no harm - the knowledge that there are a growing number of their brothers and sisters that chose this path is both an affront and an assault on their beliefs. There is a popular myth in the neo-Pagan community that claims that once there was a golden age of peace and prosperity in a Goddess worshipping society. Actually, historical and archaeological evidence indicates that Pagans lived in a very dangerous world, threatened by wild beasts, natural disasters, and warring tribes. Out of such a world was the Warrior archetype born as one of the roles that a man would be called upon to play in his lifetime. The Warrior was not the berserker, not the hardened killer, not the raider that preyed on others, but picked up a weapon in defense of his home and kin. He was Father, Brother, Husband as well. In times of peace he would tend his herds and fields and live in harmony with his neighbors. But when his clan was threatened, he would take up arms to defend them. Thus the Warrior was a position of honor and reverence, for he was the one who placed his living body between his kinfolk and that which threatened their survival. Many centuries have come and gone since our ancestors worshipped in the old ways, but the truth is that the world remains a very dangerous place. Now we are threatened with atomic weapons, ethnic cleansing, terrorist organizations, rogue states, chemical/biological warfare, and perpetrators of genocide. Our very survival as a people and the continuance of our way of life requires that we sometimes fight to defend it. The Rede does not preclude our acting in self-defense when threatened. The modern Pagan soldier who places himself in harm's way to protect his countrymen is no less than the Warrior of ancient times. He does not kill uncaringly, or wage war for glory or thrill, he prefers the way of the peacekeeper over that of the soldier. He does not blindly follow orders, rather he weighs what is asked of him against the ethical framework of his religion. But he also understands that until the world becomes a different place, he or she will be called upon in time of crisis to place their life on the line. Hope this answers your curiousity.
Personally, I don't worship dirt. Matter is inanimate - it is nothing but energy and space. Reality lies withing the spirit, or if you prefer - the soul. Or as Bergson put it "le force vitale". It is that which imbues matter, whether the human body, animal, or plant with life. Otherwise it's just dirt. However, as the Aussies put it, "each cat his own rat". "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yes, by obscuring my question with a lot of details you've answered it anyway. You make excuses for Obama even if he's not changing anything.
Well at least they haven't created a satanic temple or church there, and invited Col. Michael Aquino to host the black masses, yet at least...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_usbk.htm Yeah, Fintie gets this weird thing about Gaia and I've been disparagingly called a 'dirt worshipper.' The above exerpt from the U.S. Army's Chaplain's Handbook has an interesting bias to it, but it's overview is pretty accurate and deals with how what others and I do has little to do with dirt or planet worship.
One of my problems with Christianity has always been its general antipathy toward Psychic abilities. Since I was not raised with that prejudice it never occurred to me until I was an adult that a lot of people had their abilities trained out of them. We ALL have psychic abilities, they are poorly understood, but, being a functioning empath, I can see and feel them in others.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
PORTLAND, Ore. – A man set himself on fire after pouring gasoline on himself outside Nicholas Ungar Furs at 12th and Yamhill Wednesday morning before police used a fire extinguisher to put out the flames. He later died from his injuries at the hospital, police said. The man was identified as 26-year-old Daniel Shaull from Kansas, according to the Multnomah County medical examiner. It was not immediately clear whether Shaull was protesting against the store, which has had problem with animal rights activists in the past. However, witnesses said he was screaming about the treatment of animals. “There are animals dying! Animals dying!” witnesses said Shaull was screaming as flames engulfed his body and shot above his head. “He tried to run into the building,” said witness Mike Cheema who owns a food cart a few feet from where the incident occurred. “The door was locked. He couldn’t get in. He came right out screaming, ‘the world is ending, animals dying!’ http://www.katu.com/news/local/82841752.html Seen this story? Seems to me people get in all sorts of difficulties when they worship any of the old 'elements.' Fire of course being a wee bit more dangerous then dirt, water or air.
What you resist you become. Interesting how that works. He probably triggered something and without realizing it pulled in, or generated, the energy from his confused passion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I fully concur with this, and I find this fascinating. I have strong empathy for any life force and it is my love of all things living that attracts me to Wicca. It is empathy that I feel when dealing with all living things that drives much of my sense of spiritualism. Well developed Empath skills can be hard to cope with, as one with them has difficulty with the resonance of some people, or can find some crowds painful to encounter. I was taught by our school system a long time ago that my sense of the energies of other people and living things was a fallacy. I have since come to understand I was right about what I felt as a child and young man, and work to develop my intonation with life force and the bond all living things have with each other.
Amen. I can recall a few occasions in being around a particularly strong crowd that it was almost overpowering. That was before I realized what was going on and I deal with it much better now. However, it is handy as well since it allows you to know that most people are, deep down inside, decent, and allows you to spot those who are not to be trusted. There is where a love of history and archaeology comes in handy. And not surprisingly being lifelong fan of Science Fiction. We live in a materialistic culture which suffers under delusion that matter is reality and that the realm of the spirit the falsity. When in reality it is just the opposite. Having studied, and been immersed in, other cultures I am quite aware that the Western view is not the only viewpoint, and while it has generated a technologic society it is one which has lost sight of that which really matters i.e., who and what we are. I am thankful that I did not have my awareness trained out of me. Now I have to go play in the dirt (I'm moving a raised bed).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oh Bullshit! You're too stupid to even know the gods in your fake religion. You even spell it like a proper noun...fess up you wacko I'm not surprised the only analogy you can make is to pinball, I'm sure it occupies most of your feeble brain, time and what little money you have. Now tell us again you leftist loser that you don't worship your fake earth god gaia, the goddess of wicca
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
Hearing those little voices again? Getting visual hallucinations too? So, I worship a pantheon of gods and goddesses like the Greeks and Romans did? What the blue blazes are you spiking your personal stash of Kool-Aid with? Are you a Pastafarian who's noodles were twirled too tightly around a fork? The only problem with that is I only hear that word when a wing-nut like you throws it at me. That has happened since I started posting in the mid nineties, and that sure is not the sort of prompting that gives me pause to start using a word. You are a flint looking for a Zippo lighter, and until you find it, along with some lighter fluid, you will never be very bright.
It doesn't say a lot of stuff. Military chaplains date back to the revolutionary war.
It's not socialism if it's the white man's money.
Weasel you pathetic babbling numbnutter & rodent. Your comprehension of English is as flawed as your understanding of the Constitution. Now answer the question: What is the name of the principal " earth goddess" in your wacko fake wicca religion?
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
I give up, who? She's always been the Goddess to me; I never, ever refer to her in any other fashion unless I use 'Creator' which is gender neutral. Wicca is a big tent, call her what you wish. I don't care. You are dancing on quicksand. You can't find posts where I used that name unless it's one where I am dealing with your immature and cranky crap. I know you enjoy gaming me like this, but I hate to break it to you; I have had to babysit far dumber and whiny interlocutors then you. If you are trying to aggravate, it ain't working. And I am very stoic about a posting chore like you. It's just exactly the same element of posting - one of many - in forums like this one I have done a decade and a half. Cheers.
She's always been the Goddess to me; Weasel BS! It has a name, what is it! Answer the question or are you too stupid to know who you are worshiping? (which is entirely possible)
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
Are you, will you be, or have you been a Pastafarian? Watch it Flintie, if you eat too many pretzels with your beer, the Flying Spaghetti Monster will come out of your closet and get you at night,
Weasel You lose, scumbag.
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
I'm not adverse to the chaplains. I'm adverse to the physical locations and structures in support of any religion. As I stated before, a person who assists as a spiritual guide is one thing, creating statues, buildings, circles, alters or anything else is another. If these various religious groups want the physical structures they should pay for them with bake sale money. Who do you think pays the bill for the following "worship areas" all over the place: The circle, located atop the hill overlooking the Cadet Chapel and Visitor Center, will be the latest addition to a collection of worship areas that includes Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist sacred spaces. Are you going to support the satanists getting an alter for religious equity? A tabernacle for the Mormons? A dancing area for whiling Dervish?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
i can't tell you the number of times i've been told by christians that it's demonic. i so disagree as i know many people who have psychic ability in varying degrees who have used it for good.
i can't tell you the number of times i've been told by christians that it's demonic. i so disagree as i know many people who have psychic ability in varying degrees who have used it for good. I don't where that got started either. So far as I am aware there is nothing in the Bible which makes any such equation. My sister, who is much more devout than I have ever been, has a way with animals. She can sense their needs and on more occasions than I care to count spotted a pet with a hidden problem long before anyone would have guessed. When her last cat passed on she came into the house already knowing that he had passed on. I have my own little talents and I have known others with them as well. So far as I have observed the people with these talents are uniformly nice people, and I think that is tied in with the talent i.e., if they weren't caring and social they wouldn't have it. Nicolai Nostradamus was, for his entire life, a devout Catholic, and yet he kept his talent hidden because he did not want to be burned at the stake. It is also why he encoded his prophecies in rhyme. Dowsers are tapping into a talent as well and the forked sticks and wires they use, I am convinced, just more of a focus point for them. No, I do not believe Psychic Abilities to be demonic - it is just that the ignorant fearing that which they do not understand label them so in fear and even perhaps envy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So why can't any of them use their psychic powers to win the lottery?? ;-)
_________________________________________________________________________ Here's where they get that from.... What is the Christian view of psychics? Now I don't agree with that view, but that is what those people believe.
What about those who HAVE won it more than once?
#2. To: Deasy (#1)
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
#4. To: Deasy (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#11. To: buckeroo (#9)
Real Witches Practice Samhain: Wicca on the Rise in U.S.
#12. To: Flintlock (#10)
#13. To: Flintlock (#10)
#14. To: Deasy (#12)
I saw that exchange. Funny!
#15. To: All (#7)
If the government is going to recognize one fairytale invisible sky creature, then they have no choice but to recognize all fairytale invisible sky creatures.
#16. To: Flintlock (#14)
#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#15)
#18. To: Deasy (#17)
"Careful what you wish for. This will definitely be grist for the right wing Christian mill. Watch for it. I can see Pat Robertson and others using this to campaign for a Republican."
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2375218/posts
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
You can count on that.
#21. To: Ferret Mike, F.A. Hayek Fan, Flintlock, RickyJ (#18)
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Academy chapel to add outdoor circle to worship areas (New worship area for pagans and Wicca at Air Force Academy)
#23. To: abraxas (#22)
#24. To: Deasy (#23)
#25. To: Deasy (#23)
It's hard to send people off to die without letting them seek spiritual solace on the way. Chaplains will always be present on the battlefield and on military bases
#26. To: Deasy (#17)
Careful what you wish for. This will definitely be grist for the right wing Christian mill. Watch for it. I can see Pat Robertson and others using this to campaign for a Republican.
#27. To: Deasy (#21)
Yes, the US was founded for religios freedom. For christianity.
#28. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)
#29. To: Deasy (#21)
But we allow muslims and athiests and whatnot to sue Jesus out of public life.
#30. To: Deasy (#28)
He votes, and he watches the 700 club.
#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)
#32. To: Deasy (#31)
He's probably a registered Republican too.
#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)
(snip) More than 130 religious groups have endorsed, or certified, chaplains to serve in uniform, but the Pentagon has denied efforts by Wiccan organizations to join the list.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
Chaplains have an important role in the miltary, and I know from how Christian chaplains worm talk of Jesus into every oppertunity to talk to a military member it would be nice to see the myopia about this aspect of how religion is treated in the military to change too.
#36. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, all (#35)
As far as I'm concerned, if the various religious groups and their believers serving in uniform want to speak with sky god propagandists, then they can get together and pay for them themselves.
#37. To: Deasy (#34)
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
(Edited)
WHATEVER, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings; believe and cling to that doctrine, and take it as your guide. ~ Gauttama Siddhartha - The Buddha
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
Hope this answers your curiousity.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
(New worship area for pagans and Wicca at Air Force Academy)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: Original_Intent (#38)
BASIC BELIEFS: Wiccans worship the sacred as immanent in Nature, often personified as Mother Earth and Father Sky. As polytheists, they may use many other names for Deity. Individuals will often choose Goddesses or Gods from any of the world's pantheons whose stories are particularly inspiring and use those Deities as a focus for personal devotions. Similarly, covens will use particular Deity names as a group focus, and these are often held secret by the groups. It is very important to be aware that Wiccans do not in any way worship or believe in "Satan," "the Devil," or any similar entities. They point out that "Satan" is a symbol of rebellion against and inversion of the Christian and Jewish traditions. Wiccans do not revile the Bible. They simply regard it as one among many of the world's mythic systems, less applicable than some to their core values, but still deserving just as much respect as any of the others. Most Wiccan groups also practice magic, by which they mean the direction and use of "psychic energy," those natural but invisible forces which surround all living things. Some members spell the word "magick," to distinguish it from sleight of hand entertainments. Wiccans employ such means as dance, chant, creative visualization and hypnosis to focus and direct psychic energy for the purpose of healing, protecting and aiding members in various endeavors. Such assistance is also extended to non-members upon request. Many, but not all, Wiccans believe in reincarnation. Some take this as a literal description of what happens to people when they die. For others, it is a symbolic model that helps them deal with the cycles and changes within this life. Neither Reincarnation nor any other literal belief can be used as a test of an individual's validity as a member of the Old Religion. Most groups have a handwritten collection of rituals and lore, known as a Book of Shadows. Part of the religious education of a new member will be to hand copy this book for him or herself. Over they years, as inspiration provides, new material will be added. Normally, access to these books is limited to initiated members of the religion.
#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)
#43. To: Original_Intent (#38)
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#43)
#45. To: Original_Intent (#42)
"We ALL have psychic abilities, they are poorly understood, but, being a functioning empath, I can see and feel them in others."
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
It is empathy that I feel when dealing with all living things that drives much of my sense of spiritualism. Well developed Empath skills can be hard to cope with, as one with them has difficulty with the resonance of some people, or can find some crowds painful to encounter.
I was taught by our school system a long time ago that my sense of the energies of other people and living things was a fallacy. I have since come to understand I was right about what I felt as a child and young man, and work to develop my intonation with life force and the bond all living things have with each other.
#47. To: Ferret Mike the Weasel (#13)
I denied not a thing, dick head.
I told you quite accurately your use of Gaia
having a brain on perpetual TILT and always short on pinball flippers.
#48. To: Flintlock (#47)
"Oh Bullshit! You're too stupid to even know the gods in your fake religion."
"I told you quite accurately your use of Gaia"
#49. To: abraxas (#22)
it doesn't say anything about taxdollars wasted on worship areas in the military or any other goobermint property.
#50. To: Ferret Mike the Weasel (#48)
Blah, blah...blah
#51. To: Flintlock (#50)
#52. To: Ferret Mike the Weasel (#51)
You are dancing on quicksand.
#53. To: Flintlock (#52)
#54. To: Ferret Mike the Weasel (#53)
#55. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#49)
Military chaplains date back to the revolutionary war.
#56. To: Original_Intent (#42)
One of my problems with Christianity has always been its general antipathy toward Psychic abilities.
#57. To: christine (#56)
One of my problems with Christianity has always been its general antipathy toward Psychic abilities.
#58. To: christine (#56)
i know many people who have psychic ability in varying degrees who have used it for good.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#59. To: Original_Intent (#57)
I don't (know) where that got started either. So far as I am aware there is nothing in the Bible which makes any such equation.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: X-15, christine (#58)
So why can't any of them use their psychic powers to win the lottery?? ;-)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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