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Title: Terry Pratchett ready to be test case for suicide law
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8490062.stm
Published: Jan 31, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-01-31 19:59:07 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 1739
Comments: 72

Sir Terry Pratchett has said he's ready to be a test case for assisted suicide "tribunals" which could give people legal permission to end their lives.

The author, who has Alzheimer's, says he wants a tribunal set up to help those with incurable diseases end their lives with help from doctors.

A poll for BBC One's Panorama suggests most people support assisted suicide for someone who is terminally ill.

Sir Terry is due to set out his ideas in Monday's Richard Dimbleby lecture.

God's waiting room

In the keynote lecture, Shaking Hands With Death, the best-selling author will say that the "time is really coming" for assisted death to be legalised.

His comments follow the acquittal last week of Kay Gilderdale, of Stonegate, East Sussex, who was cleared of attempted murder after helping her daughter, Lynn, to commit suicide.

Ms Gilderdale admitted aiding and abetting her 31-year-old daughter, who had the chronic fatigue syndrome ME, to take her own life and was given a 12-month conditional discharge.

Lynn was found dead at their home on 4 December 2008.

Ms Gilderdale is to appear in Monday's BBC One Panorama programme.

A survey for the programme found 73% of those asked believed that friends or relatives should be able to assist in the suicide of a loved one who is terminally ill.

Sir Terry says he would like to see measures put in place to ensure that anyone seeking to commit suicide was of sound mind and not being influenced by others.

A legal expert in family affairs and a doctor familiar with long-term illness would also be part of his proposed tribunals.

"It seems sensible to me that we should look to the medical profession that over the centuries has helped us to live longer and healthier lives to help us die peacefully among our loved ones in our own home without a long stay in God's waiting room," he will say.

More than 1,000 people were surveyed for the poll carried out for Panorama.

While there was clear support for assisted suicide for someone who is terminally ill, if - as in the case of Ms Gilderdale's daughter - the illness is not terminal, support for assisted suicide falls to 48%.

Responding to the Panorama poll, Director of Care Not Killing, Dr Peter Saunders, said: "To argue that if you are terminally ill you deserve less protection from the law than do the rest of us is highly discriminatory as well as dangerous.

"Many cases of abuse involving elderly, sick and disabled people occur in the context of so-called 'loving families' and the blanket prohibition of intentional killing or assisting suicide is there to ensure that vulnerable people are not put at risk."

'At peace'

Lynn was bedridden by the age of 15, and was admitted to hospital more than 50 times with a succession of serious illnesses over the next 16 years.

Ms Gilderdale told the programme: "I know I did the right thing for Lynn. She's free and at peace where she needed to be. Whatever the consequences, I would do it again."

The survey was carried out earlier this month and the figures are broadly in line with previous surveys.

Last year, the director of public prosecutions issued guidelines on when assisted suicide cases should be taken to court.

But campaigners have said there still needs to be more clarity in the law.

Panorama: I Helped My Daughter to Die is on BBC One on Monday 1 February at 2030 GMT.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Ms Gilderdale told the programme: "I know I did the right thing for Lynn. She's free and at peace where she needed to be. Whatever the consequences, I would do it again."

No argument, and Amen.

Our pets and animals are treated much better at this stage of their lives than are we and our loved ones.

Lod  posted on  2010-01-31   20:19:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#1)

I know Oregon's assisted suicide law works exceedingly well and has had zero issues or controversies emanating from it. Those who have gotten the prescriptions to 'go to sleep' have been fewer in number with no friends or relatives objecting.

The main strength of this law seems to be the peace it gives people by giving them an element of control over their exit.

I support this sort of legal solution to giving control to avoid a painful, protracted and messy exit in more states then the two now making this legal.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-01-31   20:25:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike, all (#3)

I support this sort of legal solution to giving control to avoid a painful, protracted and messy exit in more states then the two now making this legal.

Seeing what my parents endured in their mid to late eighties, I must concur.

What is to be gained by day after day suffering and pain?

The insurance companies, the drug cartels, and the nursing homes are the only ones that I know of, who benefit.

Certainly not the patients.

Or their families.

Lod  posted on  2010-01-31   20:32:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod, All (#4)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-01   8:26:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

Cyanide is not unattainable.

Why should someone that wants to kill themselves have to suffer miserably to do it?

Since when did suicide become something that someone else had to do?

Since the government decided to regulate the drugs that could enable oneself to have a peaceful, painless death.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-01   17:16:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#13)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-01   22:47:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#18)

Cyanide isn't suffering.

So it's OK for them to kill themselves with cyanide but not with regulated drugs? I disagree. Scientists and doctors have determined what mix of pharmaceutical cocktails kills the most humanely. The government shouldn't be regulating these drugs (or any other for that matter) in the first place, unless it is to ensure quality of product, patent enforcement or protection against fraud.

From what I've read, the only reason the doctors are involved in the process is because you cannot get the drugs without a prescription. Take away that need and you take away the reason for the government or doctors to be involved. A quick Google search to find out how it's done, a trip to the drug store and wallah, it's a done deal.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-01   23:15:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#20)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   8:34:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

I'm finished even discussing this. Anyone that cannot see that far needs to take their brain out of park.

Like I said you are the only one with sense on this thread. Besides me of course.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:54:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#42)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:07:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Eric Stratton (#45)

Ok. I will give him some credit too. But only 75 percent.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#46)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:26:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Eric Stratton, A K A Stone, all (#47)

Kinda gives us some insight as to why certain horrific "Big Government" ideologies with full support of people are even allowed to gain traction, eh.

Try talking ideology with someone in pain. There's no room for it. What's "horrific" is being in pain with no way out. Sometimes not even the strongest pain killers help. I say let them go. Anything less is pure distilled sadism.

We treat our pets with more mercy than we treat people.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   9:46:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PSUSA (#48)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:55:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

People arguing for government intervention, involvement, approval, legislative action, etc., etc. are to me no better than liberals on this.

i guess i'm missing something, but i'm not seeing people argue for government intervention, involvement, approval, etc. i'm seeing that folks want to be able to get the help of a physician without government involvement. i think they are saying that the decision should be the patient's own.

their family members shouldn't be burdened with the assistance. should they? to me, that would set them up for prosecution for murder.

christine  posted on  2010-02-02   11:01:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#52)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   11:13:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#57. To: Eric Stratton (#56)

I'm finished with this thread. It reeks of emotionalism.

The "emotionalism" is coming from you.

I just lost all respect for you, FWIW, which probably isn't much...

PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02 11:27:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#56)

There was discussion of "regulation," pharmaceutical companies, who if they're not in the pockets of BigGov, I don't know who is in 2010, etc.

You either misread what I wrote or are being disingenuous. You need to go back and reread that post.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02 13:58:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Eric Stratton, christine, all (#56)

Well, then you need to reread the entire thread.

There was discussion of "regulation," pharmaceutical companies, who if they're not in the pockets of BigGov, I don't know who is in 2010, etc.

So yes, anytime we find ourselves asking for legal permission that involves our government, and again, I stated the word "implicitly" or its equivalent several times now, which much of it has been precisely that.

People are not thinking things through and considering all that has been bespoken on this thread, sorry to have to report.

No, it is YOU who needs to reread the thread.

I specifically stated: Scientists and doctors have determined what mix of pharmaceutical cocktails kills the most humanely. The government shouldn't be regulating these drugs (or any other for that matter) in the first place, unless it is to ensure quality of product, patent enforcement or protection against fraud.

I then added: From what I've read, the only reason the doctors are involved in the process is because you cannot get the drugs without a prescription. Take away that need and you take away the reason for the government or doctors to be involved.

You are twisting my words.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02 14:04:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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