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Title: Terry Pratchett ready to be test case for suicide law
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8490062.stm
Published: Jan 31, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-01-31 19:59:07 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 1171
Comments: 72

Sir Terry Pratchett has said he's ready to be a test case for assisted suicide "tribunals" which could give people legal permission to end their lives.

The author, who has Alzheimer's, says he wants a tribunal set up to help those with incurable diseases end their lives with help from doctors.

A poll for BBC One's Panorama suggests most people support assisted suicide for someone who is terminally ill.

Sir Terry is due to set out his ideas in Monday's Richard Dimbleby lecture.

God's waiting room

In the keynote lecture, Shaking Hands With Death, the best-selling author will say that the "time is really coming" for assisted death to be legalised.

His comments follow the acquittal last week of Kay Gilderdale, of Stonegate, East Sussex, who was cleared of attempted murder after helping her daughter, Lynn, to commit suicide.

Ms Gilderdale admitted aiding and abetting her 31-year-old daughter, who had the chronic fatigue syndrome ME, to take her own life and was given a 12-month conditional discharge.

Lynn was found dead at their home on 4 December 2008.

Ms Gilderdale is to appear in Monday's BBC One Panorama programme.

A survey for the programme found 73% of those asked believed that friends or relatives should be able to assist in the suicide of a loved one who is terminally ill.

Sir Terry says he would like to see measures put in place to ensure that anyone seeking to commit suicide was of sound mind and not being influenced by others.

A legal expert in family affairs and a doctor familiar with long-term illness would also be part of his proposed tribunals.

"It seems sensible to me that we should look to the medical profession that over the centuries has helped us to live longer and healthier lives to help us die peacefully among our loved ones in our own home without a long stay in God's waiting room," he will say.

More than 1,000 people were surveyed for the poll carried out for Panorama.

While there was clear support for assisted suicide for someone who is terminally ill, if - as in the case of Ms Gilderdale's daughter - the illness is not terminal, support for assisted suicide falls to 48%.

Responding to the Panorama poll, Director of Care Not Killing, Dr Peter Saunders, said: "To argue that if you are terminally ill you deserve less protection from the law than do the rest of us is highly discriminatory as well as dangerous.

"Many cases of abuse involving elderly, sick and disabled people occur in the context of so-called 'loving families' and the blanket prohibition of intentional killing or assisting suicide is there to ensure that vulnerable people are not put at risk."

'At peace'

Lynn was bedridden by the age of 15, and was admitted to hospital more than 50 times with a succession of serious illnesses over the next 16 years.

Ms Gilderdale told the programme: "I know I did the right thing for Lynn. She's free and at peace where she needed to be. Whatever the consequences, I would do it again."

The survey was carried out earlier this month and the figures are broadly in line with previous surveys.

Last year, the director of public prosecutions issued guidelines on when assisted suicide cases should be taken to court.

But campaigners have said there still needs to be more clarity in the law.

Panorama: I Helped My Daughter to Die is on BBC One on Monday 1 February at 2030 GMT.

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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   8:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   8:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   8:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Eric Stratton (#33)

That's fine, just keep the Government the fuck out of it.

Socialists are gang bangers. They are pussies until they have government backing and then they become mass assassins.

With respect to your comment above ... it's perfect. In a diverse and "free" society we should leave the decision of life or death to God or the nearest relative and physician ... never should the government have authority to make such a determination.

That being said, it's a difficult and often touchy subject without simple solutions. The world is trending towards State control of life and death decision making, which I abhor. Governments abuse any and all authority relinquished by the people.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-02   8:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#29)

You are no different than your Muslim buddies.

Here is a seed for you that may save your life and soul someday.

Revelation chapter 13.

When everyone has to take a mark to buy or sell let it trigger a memory of this thread in your mind. Let you remember that it was foretold in the word of God. That is my goodwill towards you.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#31)

That is a completely different argument that has nothing to do with your bible.

Not really. Gods word teaches values.

Your position is kind of like stealing shouldn't be a crime because that is a religious matter found in the Bible.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)

What I do object to though is when people use their religious beliefs to dictate how others should live

Thou shall not murder.

I guess you have a problem with that. Because people with religious views convinced almost everyone that it was wrong.

You aren't making much sense.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#28)

No, I am not asking that at all. I have no interest in either fairytale.

So Jesus was a fairy tale.

lol. Even the dumbest historians recognize he was real.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: noone222 (#32)

Religious beliefs imposed upon others without invitation amounts to coercion or at a minmum harrassment.

Taking your comments at face value would leave me to conclude that you think the government was harassing Ted Bundy and Charles Manson. You have a sick mind.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

I'm finished even discussing this. Anyone that cannot see that far needs to take their brain out of park.

Like I said you are the only one with sense on this thread. Besides me of course.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eric Stratton (#35)

And frankly, I cannot believe that there are people in this forum arguing for what in essence will be Government involved, either directly or indirectly, and if indirectly then soon to be directly, killing!

I can believe it. There are many who reject Gods word. Leaving them to swing in the wind like a dead leaf.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#28)

If the Bible were perfect there wouldn't be 38000+ denominations with different interpretations of it,

NEWS FLASH. There are fake christians leading people astray and ignorant ones too. Here let me buy you a clue. If they support something that isn't in the word then they aren't what they are claiming.

Go to the first english versions for the true word.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#42)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Eric Stratton (#45)

Ok. I will give him some credit too. But only 75 percent.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#46)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Eric Stratton, A K A Stone, all (#47)

Kinda gives us some insight as to why certain horrific "Big Government" ideologies with full support of people are even allowed to gain traction, eh.

Try talking ideology with someone in pain. There's no room for it. What's "horrific" is being in pain with no way out. Sometimes not even the strongest pain killers help. I say let them go. Anything less is pure distilled sadism.

We treat our pets with more mercy than we treat people.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   9:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: PSUSA (#48)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   9:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

That was good. It's its own aritcle now

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=6075

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   10:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

Did I hit a nerve?

I will respond line by line.

Quit with the sob story liberal line of reasoning.

Sob story? Liberal? Do you really think that the kind of pain I write about does not exist? IIRC, Christines husband is a doctor. Perhaps you could ask her to ask him about this kind of never ending (until death) kind of pain.

I'm not talking about stubbing your fucking toe on a table leg here.

Life isn't fair. It ends for everyone, some horrifically and beyond anyone's control. (aka see Haiti)

No life isn't fair. We were never promised that it would be "fair". But life is just. But we can make it more fair. Sorry, but I have a rather difficult time in equating pain with fairness or the lack thereof.

No one begrudges anyone dignity, but quite frankly, your line of reasoning that I'm inherently denying anyone anything is bullshit!

Did I accuse you of this? No. HAve you ever made this kind of decision? I doubt it. Neither have I. But your posts make it plain that you would deny it when faced with the opportunity.

Pain is a fact of life. Also a fact of life is that the eternal side is far greater than this side. For people that do not believe that, fine, their choice.

Pain = fact of life? Duh! Pain serves a purpose. It tells us when something is wrong. That is not the kind of pain we are discussing here. But I think you already know that.

And what does this "hell" hoax have to do with anything? Tell ya' what. Where did this word "hell" come from? Lets see if you can answer that simple question. Hint: Its pagan in origin, just like so many churchianities doctrines are.

But to put other peoples' pain on me/us is flat out wrong just as it is to put their financial burdens on me/us!!!

And I did that how? YOU are not the one burdened with their pain. THEY are. But you evidently do not want to be burdened with making a decision to let them out of that kind of pain. OK, your choice. But you should then be forced to sit by their bedside while they are in agony.

It doesn't make me callous, but at times of excruciating pain in my life or in those that I've known, I haven't blamed society for it!

Society did not cause the pain. But society is callous enough to ignore it. Out of sight, out of mind, huh?

You people need to get a grip! Yes, shame on those that treat animals with more dignity than people, fine, but the two are mutually exclusive!

Get a grip? You are angry arent you. It's not mutually exclusive. The same principles apply. Mercy seems to be a foreign concept here.

People arguing for government intervention, involvement, approval, legislative action, etc., etc. are to me no better than liberals on this.

I dont recall the last time I ever argued for any .gov involvement in anything. This should be between a doctor(s) and the patient and if the patients can't represent themselves then the families and maybe a attorney can represent them. No .gov interference needed.

This just in, sorry, but life isn't fair. Many people live with pain. And frankly, if we're going to get into the business of managing it for them, then I'd like to fucking scrutinize their entire existence to see if anything that they did via voluntary lifestyling could have contributed to it. How do ya think they'd enjoy that?

You need to calm down. You are not making sense.

Honestly, I cannot believe that here, on Freedom4um, people are actually arging for Government involvement at worst, or setting the table for it at best, in the control of life. I simply cannot believe it!

I said nothing about the government interference.

This just in, someone else's pain is none of my fucking business anymore than their financial, mortgage, or healthcare disconnects are.

OF COURSE it's not your business. Stay out of it.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   10:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

People arguing for government intervention, involvement, approval, legislative action, etc., etc. are to me no better than liberals on this.

i guess i'm missing something, but i'm not seeing people argue for government intervention, involvement, approval, etc. i'm seeing that folks want to be able to get the help of a physician without government involvement. i think they are saying that the decision should be the patient's own.

their family members shouldn't be burdened with the assistance. should they? to me, that would set them up for prosecution for murder.

christine  posted on  2010-02-02   11:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: PSUSA (#51)

IIRC, Christines husband is a doctor. Perhaps you could ask her to ask him about this kind of never ending (until death) kind of pain.

yes, he works in nursing homes and the suffering by many of his patients is absolutely horrific.

christine  posted on  2010-02-02   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Eric Stratton (#49) (Edited)

Honestly, I cannot believe that here, on Freedom4um, people are actually arging for Government involvement at worst, or setting the table for it at best, in the control of life. I simply cannot believe it!

Why do you support government intervention that allows for prosecution of doctors to perscribe medication that patients want and feel they need?

You support government intervention that control freedom of choice, that dictates that a person cannot end their own life in the manner of their choice. YOU think YOU should determine the choice--cyanide okay, barbituates not okay AND you support government involvement to keep it that way.

That doesn't make sense, Eric.

You claim that doctors are assisting, but they are only perscribing and not administering the drugs to patients.

BTW, cyanide is just as highly regulated as the medications these people are seeking. Oh, and folks suffer inability to breath and then cardiac arrest which doesn't sound "painfree" to me. And isn't somebody responsible for dispensing this cyanide to people who want it? Do you or do you not support governement involvement in regulating the sale of cyanide?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-02   11:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine, Eric Stratton (#53)

yes, he works in nursing homes and the suffering by many of his patients is absolutely horrific.

Gracias.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   11:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#52)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   11:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Eric Stratton (#56)

I'm finished with this thread. It reeks of emotionalism.

The "emotionalism" is coming from you.

I just lost all respect for you, FWIW, which probably isn't much...


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   11:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PSUSA (#57)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-02   12:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

Regulated

That scares me about your argument.

If someone wants to kill themself, then let them or their family do it. And what now, there aren't ways to kill oneself "with dignity," etc. now?

And you people that argue this way, don't bitch when Government sponsored euthanasia roots up and "blossoms!" Because that is the logical outcome to this.

I'm finished even discussing this. Anyone that cannot see that far needs to take their brain out of park.

I see. So you are a drug warrior as well as a zealot.

You are an enemy of a free people and should be shunned.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Eric Stratton (#35)

And frankly, I cannot believe that there are people in this forum arguing for what in essence will be Government involved, either directly or indirectly, and if indirectly then soon to be directly, killing!

I have plainly stated that the government should not be involved in any way, shape or form. Neither a terminally ill patient nor anyone else for that matter, should have to have government's permission to purchase any drug. The only reason the government and doctors are involved is because they regulate the drugs in such a way that a doctor is required to obtain access to the drugs.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Here is a seed for you that may save your life and soul someday.

Revelation chapter 13.

When everyone has to take a mark to buy or sell let it trigger a memory of this thread in your mind. Let you remember that it was foretold in the word of God. That is my goodwill towards you.

Obfuscation and distraction from the issue at hand.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#38)

Your position is kind of like stealing shouldn't be a crime because that is a religious matter found in the Bible.

Stealing is a crime because it is immoral to forcibly take something that does not belong to you. Stealing was a crime well before your invisible sky-beast was created.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Thou shall not murder.

I guess you have a problem with that. Because people with religious views convinced almost everyone that it was wrong.

You aren't making much sense.

No, you are the one who is not making sense. Murder is not the same thing as suicide. They are two different words with two different meanings.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Eric Stratton (#58)

LOL

Yes, I suppose it is funny.

I answered you point by point, sentence by sentence. But I knew you would not do the same. It wasn't a useless gesture though. I did it to illustrate a point.

Christine was kind enough to confirm a point I made too, bless her heart. I see you ignored that too. You ignore a lot.

You seem to think that there will be a suicide store on every corner for people that have a twisted ankle or a bad headache. No one said they support that, or would tolerate it. But when pain is too much to bear and there is no hope of relief, then let them go.

I just thought of something. YOu believe in "hell", so it's no real stretch for you to have no mercy for others pain, since your "god" will supposedly chuck countless millions into real fire to be burned for countless trillions of centuries. If your "god" is not merciful, why should you be? It fits like a glove.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   13:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#44)

NEWS FLASH. There are fake christians leading people astray and ignorant ones too. Here let me buy you a clue. If they support something that isn't in the word then they aren't what they are claiming.

Yes, that's right. You are the only TRUE Christian. No one else's interpretation is right but yours and everyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation is a "fake Christian." LOL! Are you sure your name isn't David Bin Ariel?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Eric Stratton (#49)

People arguing for government intervention, involvement, approval, legislative action, etc., etc. are to me no better than liberals on this.

What people are doing this? The only person who support what you claim is Ferret Mike. Just about everyone else has stated that it's not the fucking government's business. It's you and your invisible sky beast buddies who want to use the force of government to stop people from doing something that is none of their damned business.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: PSUSA, Eric Stratton (#51)

Honestly, I cannot believe that here, on Freedom4um, people are actually arging for Government involvement at worst, or setting the table for it at best, in the control of life. I simply cannot believe it!

I said nothing about the government interference.

Neither did anyone else, except for maybe Mike. It's a straw man argument. He got on this tangent because I stated that the government shouldn't be involved in the regulation of drugs except to ensure quality, patent protection and protection from fraud. Somehow he twisted this statement around until we are are calling for the government to be involved.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#56)

There was discussion of "regulation," pharmaceutical companies, who if they're not in the pockets of BigGov, I don't know who is in 2010, etc.

You either misread what I wrote or are being disingenuous. You need to go back and reread that post.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   13:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#67)

This is precisely why I can discuss things with atheists and agnostics that I can't discuss with self-proclaimed christians. They are completely incapable of honest discussions. For some reason, religion AND government interference reared its ugly heads and there is no reason for either.

They really need to study up on Christs' teachings on mercy and how their religious leaders lacked it then, just as they lack it right now.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   14:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Eric Stratton, christine, all (#56)

Well, then you need to reread the entire thread.

There was discussion of "regulation," pharmaceutical companies, who if they're not in the pockets of BigGov, I don't know who is in 2010, etc.

So yes, anytime we find ourselves asking for legal permission that involves our government, and again, I stated the word "implicitly" or its equivalent several times now, which much of it has been precisely that.

People are not thinking things through and considering all that has been bespoken on this thread, sorry to have to report.

No, it is YOU who needs to reread the thread.

I specifically stated: Scientists and doctors have determined what mix of pharmaceutical cocktails kills the most humanely. The government shouldn't be regulating these drugs (or any other for that matter) in the first place, unless it is to ensure quality of product, patent enforcement or protection against fraud.

I then added: From what I've read, the only reason the doctors are involved in the process is because you cannot get the drugs without a prescription. Take away that need and you take away the reason for the government or doctors to be involved.

You are twisting my words.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   14:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: PSUSA (#69)

For some reason, religion AND government interference reared its ugly heads and there is no reason for either.

They really need to study up on Christs' teachings on mercy and how their religious leaders lacked it then, just as they lack it right now.

This thread is a perfect example of how liberals and conservatives are both the same. They both want to control you, just in different ways and for different reasons. Not only do they both want to control you, but each group just KNOWS that their reasons for "having" to control you are righteous.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   14:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#71)

Exactly. Well said. We think alike, when it comes to this.

That they believe their own propaganda scares me.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   14:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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