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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-03   20:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Right kind of cereal and I am a cereal killer. Maple Pecan Crunch beez da bomb!!!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-03   21:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell,

That goes back a long time. The clergy class used that to keep people in line. Now everyone is a clergyman, sentencing everyone that doesnt toe the company line to this "hell". These "teachers" don't know what they are talking about, but they sure do sound like they know what they are talking about. They are soooooo positive about these things.

When I see them on the boob tube or hear them on the radio, they shout, extremely loudly, as if this yelling will convince someone they are telling the truth. You don't need to yell if you are telling the truth about anything.

Show them the errors and they get extremely angry. They never respond to it when these errors are shown, with the exception of a tiny minority. They just throw temper tantrums. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Better interpretations wouldn't help. You can show them these errors and they ignore them. Fix those errors and they would accuse you of promoting a satanic deception.

When I was first shown these things, I was happy. It finally made sense when it made no sense before. But to the vast majority: they hate it.

The apostle Paul wrote about this corruption, it's in the gospels, Peter wrote about it. It didn't take long for corruption to set in. It went on in their times. It just keeps getting worse.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   21:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true.

I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world.

"Writings" imply words, and an intellectual endeavor. We humans have two different driving forces within us. The first is biological and the second is intellectual. Our biological imperatives lead us into being tribal and territorial. We are emotionally suited to a top down pecking order system of organization within the our tribe and family. On the other hand "the words of Christianity" lead us to a different system of organization, a horizontal person to person system of intellectual organization. (i.e., "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"). Jesus was an intellectual. And it is more than fair to label Jesus as a philosopher.

Words are the most important and potent tool of mankind. True intellectuals give credit to those who change the direction of humanity with their words. We all must call ourselves Newtonians and Darwinians. Newton's and Darwin's words changed the direction of humanity. So too did Jesus' philosophical words. Shouldn't we all, who live in the West, call ourselves philosophical Christians. Wouldn't that be intellectually honest.

At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil.

These people who do harm to others are not philosophical Christians. There is a difference between religious Christians and philosophical Christians. A religious Christian has a top down relationship with god, a philosophical Christian has a horizontal relationship with his fellow humans. Some Christians are both, many are not. There are good religious Christians and there are bad religious Christians - but there are no bad philosophical Christians with destructive intentions. Also one can be a philosophical Christian without being a religious Christian.

Those religious Christians that do harm to others, have not given up their biological driven selves - they remain trapped in their tribal and top down biological human nature. They are top down with both god and their neighbors. Jesus said "live by the sword, die by the sword" - history is replete with Christians who ignore those philosophical words.

It is not easy, giving up our top down pecking order natural self. We have to work at being "a philosophical Christian." Again Christianity is an intellectual horizontal way of life for humanity, where we us our brains to direct our actions - not our gonads.

Intellectual Philosophical Christianity, in name, should be celebrated - not denied.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-04   17:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

cereal killer

Wasn't that a crazy story. Makes me sad I swapped it out at last minute for whole Melvins attache first minute posters check, vest, hat, and drumstick parts.

Stay away from LSD young man, right?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-04   21:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Stay away from LSD young man, right?

Exceedingly wise counsel I think.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-04   21:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Best I can do under the circumstances...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-04   21:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You sure like to pass judgment on others

Eric judged you correctly. We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell

You don't believe in God. That is your right to be a fool.

Also, If someone believes in God and you don't. That would make them holier then you.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).

How about some examples.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.

AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.

christine  posted on  2010-02-05   1:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is there a full moon rising or something? I noticed today that Clean is back and Stoner is intent on making a fool of himself yet again. Scary times we live in when we get the double whammy of Stoner and Clean posting on the same night.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-02-05   1:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).

How about some examples.

Sorry - I do not do the Bible - I do Jesus.

He said the "truth will set you free."

Except for the practical words of Jesus - what truth in the Bible.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-05   2:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just curious who would consider themselves a Christian

Roman Catholic Christian.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
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Artisan  posted on  2010-02-05   3:42:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here is a little something I found. Perhaps you will take a minute and read it. Perhaps not. It highlights the differences I have with them, and you.

Do they believe the fire in I Cor.3:15 burns mans’ works, but not the man himself? Yes.

But do they teach that this same fire in Rev.20:15 also burns works, not the man? No.

Do they believe that God is the Creator of ALL? Yes.

But do they teach that God created EVIL as He says in (Isa. 45:7)? No.

(a) Do they teach that God knows evil (Genesis 3:22 KJV)? No. (added by PSUSA)

Do they believe that God is absolutely and totally sovereign (Eph. 1:11)? Yes.

But do they teach that God exercises sovereignty over man’s supposed "free" will? No.

Do they believe that Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of the whole world (I Jn 4:14)? Yes.

But do they teach that Jesus Christ will SAVE the whole world? No.

Do they believe that presently Christ only has immortality (I Tim. 6:16)? Yes.

But do they teach the truth therefore that men’s souls are mortal and not immortal? No.

Do they believe that the original manuscripts of God’s Word were inerrant? Yes.

But do they teach us that the King James translation, which they say is "inerrant" has gone through THOUSANDS of error corrections since 1611? No.

Do they believe that the soul that sins shall DIE (Ezek. 18:4)? Yes.

But do they teach that souls of deceased sinners are actually DEAD? No.

Do they believe there are many cults today that need exposing? Yes.

But do they teach that Christendom, by its OWN definitions, is also a cult? No.

Do they believe that Sodom is "suffering the vengeance of eternal [aeonian] fire? Yes.

But do they teach that Sodom will be restored to their former estate (Ezek. 16:55)? No.

Do they believe in a future resurrection of dead people back to life (John 5:29)? Yes.

But do they teach that a resurrection is imperative for dead people to live again? No.

Do they believe the first half of I Cor. 15:22 that "For as in Adam ALL die?" Yes.

But do they teach the last half, "even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive?" No.

Do they believe that "...the end of the world [Gk: aion -- age]" ends in Mat. 24:3? Yes.

But do they teach that this same "aion -- age" in Matt. 25:41 & 46 will also end. No.

Do they believe that Jn 3:13 & Acts 2:34 are truthful Scripture (II Tim. 3:16)? Yes.

But do they teach this truth that "NO man," including David, has gone to heaven? No.

Do they believe ALL God purposed, spoke, and willed (Isa. 46:10-11), He will do? Yes.

But do they teach that God’s "will" to save all, I Tim. 2:4, etc., will be done? No.

Do they believe that Satan lied when he told Eve, "thou shalt not surely die?" Yes.

But do they teach the truth that sinners really do DIE at death as God has stated? No.

Do they believe that the Apocryphal books do not belong in the Bible? Yes.

But do they teach us that the 1611 so-called "inerrant" King James Bible contained fourteen such books, including "Tobit," "Judith," "The idol Bel and the Dragon"? No.

Do they believe that Christ is totally responsibility for our salvation? Yes.

But do they teach that "no man can" come to Christ of himself (John 6:44)? No.

Do they believe that Satan is the greatest sinner of all? Yes.

But do they teach Jn. 8:44 which states that Satan "sinned from the beginning?" No.

Do they believe Christ really died for the sins of the world? Yes.

But do they teach that Jesus Christ was dead when they placed Him in the tomb? No.

Do they believe the many Scriptures that liken death to "sleep?" Yes.

But do they teach that dead people are unconscious, "sleeping" till resurrection? No.

Do they believe that the last enemy to be destroyed [Gk: abolished] is death? Yes.

But do they teach that ALL death, including the second death, will be abolished? No.

Do they believe that all things are possible with God (Mark 10:27)? Yes.

But do they teach that it is possible for God to save nonbelievers after they die? No.

Do they believe that every tongue in heaven and earth will confess Jesus as LORD? Yes.

But do they teach that the Holy Spirit inspires this sincere voluntary act (I Cor. 12:3)? No.

Do they believe that good and evil are both in the same tree of knowledge? Yes

But do they teach that good and evil both come from the same root source? No.

Do they believe that God absolutely "knows all" (I John 3:20)? Yes.

But do they teach that God knows in advance ALL who will reject Christ? No.

Do they believe that God’s love will never fail (I Cor. 13:Cool? Yes.

But do they teach that God’s love will never fail in saving the world He loves? No.

Do they believe the apostles spoke in foreign languages in Acts 2:4-11? Yes.

But do they teach that of the hundreds of thousands who claim to speak in tongues today, not one of them can speak in multiple languages which they did not already study? No.

Do they believe that the masses did not understand Christ’s parables (Mat. 13:13)? Yes.

But do they teach that Christ purposely didn’t want them to understand, (Vs. 14-17)? No.

Do they believe the Old Covenant contained the Ten Commandments (Deut.4:12)? Yes.

But do they teach a New Covenant which contains a much higher law (Heb. 8:8-9)? No.

Do they believe that God created all the spirits and messengers of heaven? Yes.

But do they teach that God also created Satan who was always His adversary? No.

Do they believe that loving our enemies means doing good and not evil to them? Yes.

But do they teach that God will never subject His enemies to eternal torture and evil? No.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-05   13:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.

lol.....let's check on the scriptures.

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: WHO ART THOU THAT JUDGEST ANOTHER? James, iv, 12.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more. Romans, xiv, 13.

Wherin thou judgest another, THOU CONDEMNEST THYSELF. Romans, ii, 1.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned......For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke, vi, 37-38.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shaall be judged: and with waht measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew, vii, 1-2.

God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. Psalms, lxxv,7.

Who made thee ruler and judge over us? Acts, vii 27, 35.

He maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. (speaking of fools.....)Isaiah, xl, 23.

So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-05   19:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.

I am not all knowing. But thanks for the vote of confidence.

What fault do you find with the King James version? Can you name any?

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   21:55:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He said the "truth will set you free."

He also said he didn't come to destroy the law. The law is in the old testament.

If you are afraid to answer my previous question. That is ok.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   21:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?

The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge.

The verses that you quoted are simply saying not to be a hypocrite in your judgements.

No contradiction. Hopefully you can learn from that and study it further.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   22:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what do you know about King James? who did he commission to translate the various books of the bible. were there any left out? were there any politics involved in the decision of what was to be included? he sounds like he was a rather savory character to me.

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With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. His name has become synonymous with the famous printing of the Bible that bears his name, the “King James Bible” of 1611 AD. He was one of the most intelligent Kings to reign over England, but his personal life made him the most controversial since his relative, King Henry VIII.

James VI of Scotland and James I of England

James VI of Scotland (June 19, 1566 - March 27, 1625, reigned July 24, 1567 - March 27, 1625) became James I of England and Ireland (reigned March 24, 1603- March 27, 1625) and was the first king of both England and Scotland. He also held the title of King of France, as had all his predecessors in the English throne since October 21, 1422, although by his time the title didn't come with an active claim of this throne. James succeeded Elizabeth I as the closest living relative of the unmarried childless English monarch, through his descent from one of Henry VIII's sisters.

King James Crowned at the Age of One

Prince James became King of Scotland on July 24, 1567, at the age of 13 months, after his mother Mary, Queen of Scots was forced to abdicate. Mary fled to England, where she was imprisoned for the next 19 years. His father, Lord Darnley, had died in mysterious circumstances shortly after James was born. James was formally crowned at the Church of the Holy Rood, Stirling on July 29, 1567. In accordance to the religious atmosphere of the time, he was brought up as a Scottish Presbyterian, though his mother had been a Roman Catholic.

King James – from Scotland to England

James inherited the throne of England after the death of his mother's cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. James was never a very popular monarch among the people of England. He laid much of the groundwork that would eventually lead to the beheading of his heir Charles I during the English Civil War, but because of his political skills, his rule was relatively stable. James married Anne of Denmark by proxy on August 20, 1589, and in person on November 23, 1589 and again in person in January 21, 1590. They had eight children, of whom only three lived beyond infancy: Henry, Prince of Wales- (February 19, 1594 - November 6, 1612), Elizabeth Stuart - (August 19, 1596 - February 13, 1662), and King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland - (November 19, 1600 - January 30, 1649).

James dissolved the English Parliament on February 8, 1622, following a dispute involving parliamentary criticisms of a marriage proposed by James, of his son Charles to Princess Maria Anna of Spain. King James was quoted as saying, "Monarchy is the greatest thing on earth. Kings are rightly called gods since just like God they have power of life and death over all their subjects in all things. They are accountable to God only ... so it is a crime for anyone to argue about what a king can do."

King James is considered to have been one of the most intellectual and learned individuals ever to sit on any English or Scottish throne. He is primarily remembered for authorizing the production of the King James Version of the Bible, the highly popular English translation from Greek and Hebrew, which remains the most printed book in the history of the world, with over one billion copies in print. King James had nothing to do with the translating the Bible, he merely authorized it and provided financing for its production. Beyond that, however, James wrote several books himself.

'Queen James'

One area of the life of King James that for many years remained clouded in controversy was allegations that James was homosexual. As James did father several children by Anne of Denmark, it is actually more accurate to say that he was allegedly a bi-sexual. While his close relationships with a number of men were noted, earlier historians questioned their sexual nature, however, few modern historians cast any doubt on the King's bisexuality and the fact that his sexuality and choice of male partners both as King of Scotland then later in London as King of England were the subject of gossip from the city taverns to the Privy Council. His relationship as a teenager with fellow teenager Esmé Stuart, Earl of Lennox was criticized by Scottish Church leaders, who were part of a conspiracy to keep the young King and the young French courtier apart, as the relationship was improper to say the least. Lennox, facing threats of death, was forced to leave Scotland.

In the 1580s, King James openly kissed Francis Stewart Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. Contemporary sources clearly hinted their relationship was a sexual one. When James inherited the English throne from Queen Elizabeth I in 1603, it was openly joked of the new English monarch in London that “Elizabeth was King: now James is Queen!” If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left.

christine  posted on  2010-02-05   22:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge.

No, the scriptures I quoted didn't say RIGHTEOUS judgment.......YOU say that. But, the scriptures quoted are quite clear.

Besides one would actually have to be RIGHTEOUS to make a righteous judgment and that discounts you AKA, even if your cherry picking application of scripture had any merit.......which it doesn't. You merely prove my point about the contraditions. The scripture is clear, yet you deny the Biblical word so that you can opt for other scriptures that better fit your small perception and belief system.

Some Christian....you discount the scipture when it doesn't fit your self- righteous and arrogant belief that YOU should be the judge and not the Lord.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-05   22:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He said the "truth will set you free."

He also said he didn't come to destroy the law. The law is in the old testament.

In order to change something - you need not destroy what exists - what you do is start something better - and the old withers away.

That is what Christianity did to the evil ways of the Old Testament.

The New Testament is NEW - it supplemented the old!

The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different.

So is the Christian attitude to tribalism.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-05   22:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different.

Boy your stupid. Anyone who says that isn't worth wasting my time on. Depart from me into....

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-06   10:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, the scriptures I quoted didn't say RIGHTEOUS judgment.......YOU say that. But, the scriptures quoted are quite clear.

No fool you didn't. Because you were ignorant or you wished to decieve. Here you go. No contradiction little mind squanderer of your measure of faith.

Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1).

Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-06   10:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what do you know about King James? who did he commission to translate the various books of the bible. were there any left out?

The only thing that would have been left out is what God would have wanted left out. He was in charge.

Again what fault do you find in the King James version?

All that history you cut and pasted is irrelevant.

It seems that you don't believe in God having a perfect word.

You would have us all guessing as to what the truth is. That would have been a cruel little g god. But he is perfect and his word is perfectly preserved in the King James Version. So again please show me some fault in this book if you know of any.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-06   10:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No fool you didn't. Because you were ignorant or you wished to decieve. Here you go. No contradiction little mind squanderer of your measure of faith.

Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1).

Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

So, are you claiming there is no contradiction between Matthew and John?

As I said before, one must actually be righteous to make a righteous judgment and this would discount you.

The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James, iii, 18. (that's not you AKA)

If righteousness came by law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians, ii, 21, iii, 21. (So, did Christ die in vain, AKA?)

Moses describeth righteousness that is of the law. Romans, x, 6. (As you do)

Christ is the END of the law of righteousness to everyone who believeth. Romans, x, 3. (Do you believeth?)

They BEING IGNORANT of God's righteousness, and going out to establish THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have NOT submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Romans, x, 3. (This scripture is speaking directly to you AKA)

AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10. (Hence the provision that you should NOT pass judgment, because YOU are not righteous.) So, is this last scripture a contradiction or untruth, according to you, within the infallible Bible? Is there a loop hole that omits you from understanding that YOU are NOT righteous?

One more for you: We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness's are as filthy rags. Isaiah 64, 6.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   10:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But he is perfect and his word is perfectly preserved in the King James Version. So again please show me some fault in this book if you know of any.

The fault is within all translations because a RIGHTEOUS GOD entrusted UNRIGHTEOUS HUMANS to perserve His word. What you get is contradictions which leaves people guessing as to what the truth is.

Cruel or not, this is the truth, which is not to blame God or His word but rather the human inability to even tell a story from one person to the next without butchering the details. This has always been true and will continue to be true because each individual has their own tiny world perception, which is insignificant when compared to the perception of God.

Your understanding would increase immensely IF you could separate what is God from what is human. I know, this is hard for you because you grant yourself qualities that are the sole right of the Lord and not yours, such as righteousness.

So, based on the scriputres presented to Erik, is there a Trinity? Review the scriptures and determine for me WHO judges.......I bet you will find no mention of AKA Stone in the text.

Either you believe that God makes contradictions in the Bible or you accept that humans in retelling make contradictions. Theologians far brighter than you have determined the latter to be true throughout history and they don't bother with this silly "perfect" word argument. What you cannot deny is that the contradictions exist, even in the King James Version, unless you are either ignorant or dishonest.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   10:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. His name has become synonymous ...

You're baffling him with the truth.

I'm sure he'll ignore it totally. Like he totally ignores the revisions in the KJV but claims its perfection. These kinds of people love to ignore things.

They ignore the fact that if the KJV is perfect, then it took his stupid god nearly 1600 years to finally get it right. If you lived prior to that, I guess you were SOL.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-06   10:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different.

I say that you are right.

Jeremiah 8:8 CJB "'How can you say, "We are wise; ADONAI's Torah is with us," when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has turned it into falsehood?

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-06   11:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They ignore the fact that if the KJV is perfect, then it took his stupid god nearly 1600 years to finally get it right. If you lived prior to that, I guess you were SOL.

lol....

An unreasonable tale will always be in the mouth of the unwise. Ecclesiasticus, xx, 19.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   11:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

mei krinete, hina mei kritheite

Did the translator leave out hina which can be translated "in order that, so that"?

The following passage suggests that this means "judge not in those matter wherein judgment may be meted out to you."

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

These individual lines and phrases can't be read in isolation. Jesus is saying that judges must themselves be clean or be cleansed in order to judge righteously I think.

randge  posted on  2010-02-06   11:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

These individual lines and phrases can't be read in isolation. Jesus is saying that judges must themselves be clean or be cleansed in order to judge righteously I think.

But Randge, how CAN they judge righteously?

AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10

None are clean, none are perfect, none are righteous. Who is fit to judge, other than the Lord, when none are righteous?

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   11:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And Randge, what of this scripture?

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who are thou that judgest another? James, iv, 12.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   11:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10

IMO:

We judge all the time. Look at the posts on this board. I'm sure you have issued your own judgments on these topics. I know I have.

The thing is, we should judge ourselves and leave others alone, due to the inevitable beams in our own eyes. It seems that we have a tendency to want to "help" God judge others.

Matthew 16:19 KJV And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

That required judgment.

John 7:24 KJV Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

That is how we do it. When people want to lord it over us, there will be problems. So, don't lord it over others. It's the GOlden Rule in action.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-06   11:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sure you have issued your own judgments on these topics

The thing is, we should judge ourselves and leave others alone, due to the inevitable beams in our own eyes

So, don't lord it over others.

Always on topics. But, we are talking about making those personal judgments, as have been cast upon you and I from people who do not know and will never know what is in our hearts.

I agree completely.

I'm not attempting to lord anything over others. I'm attempting to discern who is RIGHTEOUS to pass judgment. I do not believe that I am of such righteousness and I am attempting to discern what basis others feel that they are righteous enough to judge you and I or anybody else for that matter.

Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   12:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.

You sometimes feel that way when your posts go unanswered. Myself, I just posted something on a topic that kind of interested me here and then had to run out on some errands.

As it happens, you posted some intriguing verses on "judging" and "righteousness." You asked me to pass on them. I can only say that these are things that I don't pretend to understand well.

It looks to me like Jesus is telling us that we are not capable of "judging" at all. Yet we judge all the time in this world. Who can walk in those shoes, I wonder. Who can follow in these superhuman footsteps? As in so many other concerns, I know that I'm not able.

Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.

randge  posted on  2010-02-06   13:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.

Sure. They ignore a lot. It's odd how much they ignore. I dont write anything for the scoffers benefit because I know that they will completely ignore it. Showing them things is a wasted effort. I've learned to respond, but knowing others might read it and discuss it if they think I am right or wrong, and discuss it in an intelligent manner. Sometimes I am wrong.

Christians don't do that. THey cover up their ears, like little kids, saying "NA NA NA NA NA NA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!!!!!", attack like punk kids swinging sticks.

OTOH some atheists, agnostics, wiccans, satanists and others can discuss things intelligently. I've had some interesting discussions with them. I don't agree with them, but they can carry on a conversaion without the usual christian name calling. They are more honest than christians, generally. Sad to say but it's true.

So I know what you are talking about.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-06   13:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.

I agree with you. How do we survive when we can not "judge" .. doesn't our personal sense of the best methods to provide for our families to our ensure our own futures? The scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-06   13:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know, buck.

If you take the Scriptures as literally written, they were as "out of date" in the days of the Roman Empire as they are today.

Although the church and state have always been able to bend the verses to their purposes, they've always been a challenge to prevailing secular modes of operation - if you read them literally.

randge  posted on  2010-02-06   13:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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