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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
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#136. To: buckeroo, randge (#134)
Yes they do. Sadly people miss it. It is not the letter of the law that matters but the spirit that counts. You have to read between the lines somewhat. When dealing with the Bible they call that dispensation. Liberals use the term "living document" when talking about the Constitution. I believe they are twisting it to their own ends but in a sense they are correct. Take the part about all men being created equal. "All men" meant something different at that time. However, we interpret it using today's definition. So how does that apply to the Bible? Take the commandment "Thou shalt not kill". Do we take that literally to mean anything at anytime? Or do we use it as an interpretive moral compass? Killing in self defense is OK as is the state killing for judicial reasons.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
The Bible was nothing more than a documented "store of knowledge" for a number of Jewish nomadic family tribes prior to BC; reading the Bible upto Anno Domini has little impact two thousand years later. I suppose the New Testament has more meaning in modern life as the various writings depict Jesus actually doing something about the old ways of Jews and Romans of the time. Still, taking collectively, the Bible doesn't tell me how to survive in the world, today. The Bible needs a new messiah breathing life into the message.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Should have included you in my above post.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Yeah, Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker performed the same. I am tired of charlatans both with religious zeal and/or government fiat. Reading between the lines leads to drinking kool-aid by some far-off self-professed voice of God. Look at how these Washington DC fanatics have destroyed the US Constitution. And look at how today's Christian churches endorse the same.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Agreed. I like the way you put that. BTW, it's murder, not kill, in that commandment. The jews depend on the letter of the law, as well as make up entirely new laws to justify what they want to have justified. They ignore the spirit. Taking the spirit of the law into account is not in their best interests. For proof of that, read the Kol Nidre, that they recite on the day of atonement. That, BTW, is their most important day. www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=340&letter=K "All vows [], obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called '1;onam,' '1;onas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths." You can see at that link how they then try and explain away a sick "prayer" written in plain language. Trust a jew at your peril. Their own words hang them. Which brings up the ultimate oxymoron judeo-christianity since Christianity is supposedly only concerned with the spirit and jews are obsessed with their laws.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or My point was not to better interpret, but simply to show by example that contradictions regarding judgment, righteousness, the Trinity and even what the requirements to be saved are within the Bible. My only explantation is that contradictions abound. As stated before, humans cannot convey a story from one person to the next without butchering the details. My question is how does one determine which verse if more correct than the next or what is the correct response in light of the blatent contradictions within the text? I don't know. I've said many times that the entire Bible could be discounted save the Sermon on the Mount and the people would have more than enough information and criteria to be the kind of Christians that are admired and emmulated. Perhaps that is a judgment, but I look at it as a simple observation. There would be less conflict over details and much contradiction is clarified.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Me too, Randge. I'd rather be on the side of humility on the issue. I'm sure not superhuman.....I'm not able either. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
This is why we cleave to civil law in our everyday lives and not ecclesiatical canons. If folks try to run their civil law and criminal law based on scripture, they'll soon be at each other's throats. This is the fundamental problem at the heart of the conflict within Islamic Civilization. The first Muslims eradicated most of the other sources of legitmacy within their cultures and replaced it with one scripture. The result has been internecine war from day one and lasting division.
That's not what I meant and you know it. Satan is full of lies and he will whisper in your ear convincing you of things that aren't true. You can not attribute such evils to God.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I married one.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
We need to be careful of slingin' shit here, no matter how grave and deep our grudges against this or that group.
The Bible states that God is often responsible for lies, murder and deception in the Old Testement. For example: Behold the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these they prophets and the Lord has spoken evil concerning thee. Kings 22:23 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light and create the darkness, I make peace and CREATE EVIL, I the Lord do these things. Isaiah 45: 6-7 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit FROM GOD was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed him. The Spirit of God promotes slaughter. Numbers 31: 17-18, Deuteronomy 20: 16- 17, Joshua 10 40-42, Ezekial 9: 4-8 And the Spirit of the Lord came uon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil. Judges 14:19 The Lord said to Moses, "Take all the leaders of these people, KILL THEM and expose them in broad daylight before the Lord, so that the Lord's fierce anger my turn away from Israel. Numbers 25:4 Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN WHO HAS SLEPT WITH A MAN, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18 Those last two scriputres contradict 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'....... For it was the Lord TO HARDEN THEIR HEARTS, that they should come against Israel in battle, THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY THEM UTTERLY, and that they might have no favor, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses. Joshue 11:20 And the Lord struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made. Exodus 32:35 And I will bring the sword upon you to avendge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. Leviticus 26:25 Then the plague against the Isralites stopped, those who died in the plague numbered 24,000. Numbers 25:9 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel, and seventy thousand men of Israel fell dead. Chonicles 21"14 I will send a plague upon her and make blood flow in teh streets. The slain will fall within her, with the sword against her on every side. Then they will know that I am the Lord. Ezekiel 28:23 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps. Zechariah 14:15 More plagues to come.....Out of the temple came the seven angesl with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. Revelation 15:6 God inflicts sickness. Numbers 11:33 I should add a caveat.......although the OT stories scriptures states as such, I tend to personally view God as loving and compassionate, despite the OT stories. However, we often blame suffering on Satan. But if you think deeply about it, suffering is initially very painful, but it also is a blessing because suffering tempers the spirit, offering humility and deeper understanding. Could such a profound blessing come from Satan?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If that struck a little too close to home, I'm sorry. Not for expressing my opinion, but for the effect it might have had.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Apology accepted. I don't think Jews are the problem but the pro-Israel at all costs policy is. Much can be said about Israel's behavior as a country. I would hate to have someone judge the members of this board by the policies of our nations.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Very astute, farmfriend. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
While I believe the Bible to be divinely inspired, we must never forget it was written by men. My views on God tend to be a bit different than most. They are often hard to explain. Mostly I don't talk about it though a few have had a small run down.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Thank you.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
To me they are one and the same. I tend to see all organized religions as being a curse, and judaism is no exception. I say the exact same things about protestantism and catholicism. Those that base their identity on any of it AND accept them as leaders I want nothing to do with. IMO all organized religion is corrupt and it has been that way for some time now. There are the "self-hating jews" that are anti-zionists and who actually keep their word. They go against the grain and I respect them for that. Those that were born jews but don't engage in this jew-think are not the problem here. I can't hate them for being born that way anymore than I can brag that I have German and British ancestors, like some do. It's their actions that lead me to hate them. And they won't change because they think they can do no wrong. And I don't limit that to jews. I say the same about christians because they are responsible for a "hell" of a lot of evil too.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Organized religions are not the same thing as individuals. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here? If I say I am American, do you judge me by the actions of my country?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I never said it was the same thing as individuals. But it is made up of individuals that enable the "leaders" to do what they do. They have willingly attached themselves to these "leaders". I already said that it was their actions that led me to hate them. They either do these actions themselves or they aid and abet them by acting as a willing propaganda arm of whatever idiocy their teachers teach. They can believe whatever they want. But they better stay away from me. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here? It's related. I judge you by what you post, same as you and others judge me. I have no reason to hate you. I believe we are on the same side here. If I did hate you, you'd know it and I'd give the reasons for it. Test me by turning into a blithering idiot neocon or a starry eyed obama socialist and see the reaction you get. If I say I am American, do you judge me by the actions of my country? Only of you support what they are doing. Evidently you don't, from what you post. It's based on actions, not ancestry or country you're born in. I know what you are doing. You are trying to use your own substitutions for "israel" by personalizing it by using both you and the US. "israel" and the jews and christians that support them are not sacred cows. A world without "israel" would be a better world. A world without this organized religion crap would be even better, IMO, because it's a farce at best and a mass murderer at worst.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Thanks but I'll pass.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I don't know why I waste my time on people like you. You know nothings who think they know something. Anyway there are no contradictions. You keep talking about contradictions but you fail to point any out. You speak and say a lot of words but you just spin in the mud.
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But you still sit on your fat ass stuffing your face with donuts and cannot point out any. What a fat ass loser.
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Your such a silly one buck. Thou shall not kill is out of date. So is not lying. So is not stealing. You must love our government they are regularly at odds with the values God gave us in his word the Bible.
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Yummm.... donuts, figures you'd mention hol(e)y food.
So is not lying. So is not stealing. Tell that to that your presidential BS artist, John McCain.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
I hate donuts (sic). I've pointed out PLENTY of contradictions on this thread. Say, are you going to answer the Trinity question or not? Who is supposed to do the judging......I found no reference to AKA Stone in the scriptures. Fat ass loser......lol. Is that the best you can do? Do try to make your silly ASSumptions applicable AKA. Say are lame ASSumptions and insults part of your Christian faith since you are such a stellar example of all that is Christianity? Way to set an example!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Neither do I. Guess you have to find some stranger on the Internet to spew your bovine excrement and I happen to be the unlucky poster at the moment. You are so self righteous that you really should find posters who are more self righteous than 4um posters to waste your time with. Doesn't anybody post on YOUR website? Seems like that site would draw the self righteous and arrogant like flies to crap. Isn't that working out for you? Can't you waste your time over there where the site is filled with "know somethings" like yourself?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You haven't pointed out any. You made some vague references. But go ahead and take your best shot. I don't expect it to be a good shot though.
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Your the fool from Kalifornia that believes in Globull warmin. Just like McCain. You didn't even care enough about our country to vote against Obama. Your boy Obama believes in Globull warmin too. You are two peas in a pod.
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Lots of people do. Take a look. www.libertysflame.com. I don't think you could make the cut there though.
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Mike your not holy because you eat donuts. Even if you put on one of those net shirts you wont be holy. To be holy you have to pray to God and ask for forgiveness and follow him. There is hope for you Mike.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Gotta hand it to you on this thread. Your words were wise and only a fool would disagree. abraxass and puss usa consider themselves to be God. They look at themselves as God in their own eyes. Take abraxass for example. She is so godly that she supports murdering old people because they are depressed. She has the same disrespect for babies that are about to be born. She thinks that it is hunky dory to kill them too. She is also a pervert that thinks it would be ok for her to marry another woman if she wanted to. Sounds more like a demon then God. Satan did want to be like God. They are very deceived. I pity them. Poor fools.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Eric. She isn't going to accept the simple truth of Gods word that you have reavealed to her.. Her heart is harder then diamonds. She is a hater of the truth. She wants to keep her murderous attitude and sexual pervertedness. It is everything to her. You are being far to kind to her.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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I guess I am not as nice as you are. :)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.
#137. To: randge (#135)
#138. To: PSUSA, abraxas (#136)
#139. To: farmfriend (#136)
You have to read between the lines [of the Holy Bible] somewhat.
#140. To: farmfriend (#138)
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die kill ~~ Me
#141. To: randge (#132)
Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.
#142. To: randge (#132)
It looks to me like Jesus is telling us that we are not capable of "judging" at all.
#143. To: abraxas (#141)
#144. To: buckeroo (#139)
Yeah, Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker performed the same.
Look at how these Washington DC fanatics have destroyed the US Constitution. And look at how today's Christian churches endorse the same.
#145. To: PSUSA (#140)
Trust a jew at your peril.
#146. To: farmfriend (#145)
#147. To: farmfriend (#144)
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Satan is full of lies and he will whisper in your ear convincing you of things that aren't true. You can not attribute such evils to God.
#148. To: farmfriend (#145)
die kill ~~ Me
#149. To: PSUSA (#148)
If that struck a little too close to home, I'm sorry. Not for expressing my opinion, but for the effect it might have had.
#150. To: farmfriend (#149)
I would hate to have someone judge the members of this board by the policies of our nations.
#151. To: abraxas, Original_Intent (#147)
#152. To: abraxas (#150)
Very astute, farmfriend. : )
#153. To: farmfriend (#149)
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I don't think Jews are the problem but the pro-Israel at all costs policy is.
die kill ~~ Me
#154. To: PSUSA (#153)
I tend to see all organized religions as being a curse, and judaism is no exception.
#155. To: farmfriend (#154)
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Organized religions are not the same thing as individuals. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here?
die kill ~~ Me
#156. To: PSUSA (#155)
Test me by turning into a blithering idiot neocon or a starry eyed obama socialist and see the reaction you get.
#157. To: abraxas (#122)
So, are you claiming there is no contradiction between Matthew and John?
#158. To: abraxas (#141)
My only explantation is that contradictions abound.
#159. To: buckeroo (#134)
The scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.
#160. To: A K A Stone (#158)
#161. To: A K A Stone (#159)
Thou shall not kill is out of date.
#162. To: A K A Stone (#158)
But you still sit on your fat ass stuffing your face with donuts and cannot point out any. What a fat ass loser.
#163. To: A K A Stone (#157)
I don't know why I waste my time on people like you
#164. To: abraxas (#162)
I've pointed out PLENTY of contradictions on this thread.
#165. To: buckeroo (#161)
Tell that to that your presidential BS artist, John McCain.
#166. To: abraxas (#163)
Doesn't anybody post on YOUR website?
#167. To: Ferret Mike (#160)
Yummm.... donuts, figures you'd mention hol(e)y food.
#168. To: abraxas (#82)
#169. To: abraxas (#82)
#170. To: Eric Stratton (#168)
Really 'nuff said there. But that renders the rest of your argument moot.
#171. To: abraxas (#71)
#172. To: A K A Stone (#170)
#173. To: Eric Stratton (#171)
#174. To: A K A Stone (#173)
#175. To: A K A Stone (#173)
#176. To: Eric Stratton (#174)
Perhaps, but it does no good for me to be unkind to her, eh.
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