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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 243

Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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#183. To: A K A Stone (#182)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   11:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: A K A Stone, abraxas, Eric Stratton (#170)
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Gotta hand it to you on this thread. Your words were wise and only a fool would disagree.

abraxass and puss usa consider themselves to be God. They look at themselves as God in their own eyes.

@abraxas

Pinged because you're mentioned above. Evidently they don't have the balls to ping people they are writing about...

Sorry to interrupt Eric and AKA in your little circle-jerk love in... Its too emotional for me...

Being called "wise" by AKA should be downright scary. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

They are very deceived. I pity them. Poor fools.

Time will tell. But I appreciate what you said. Really, I do. When I see things differently that you do, I know I am on the right track.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-07   11:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: PSUSA (#184)

Being called "wise" by AKA should be downright scary. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

And trusting you enough to click on your preparedness list is donwright dangerous to patriots everywhere isn't it MR. Govt agent.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-07   11:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: A K A Stone (#165)

You voted for a pissant, John McCain. I never recognized the same.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-07   11:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: A K A Stone (#185)

Oh hell. My cover is blown. All agents: Commence Operation Falcon!


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-07   12:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Eric Stratton (#168)

"Hearts" are no objective. If God exists, and wants us to know about Him, then He sure can find a way, via man, or "rocks that would rise up and speak," even less sensical according to you, would/could/did do precisely that.

So, why should people accept only one text regarding God and what he wants us to know about Him? The Vedas precede the Bible, yet you discount them. Yet, these texts are living in the sense that the volume of Vedas continues to grow to this day. These texts reveal much about the spirit in relation to time and quantum physics--did God not reveal such awesome information or was it just multiple coincidences? The Dammapada precedes the New Testament and is quite similar to the Sermon on the Mount--God inspired or again a big ol' happenstance? The Mayans are viewed as savages, yet God provided them with a calandar far superior to Western thinkers that is accurate to a third of a second. They also knew of all the outer planets long before Western "discovery" of them. Again, God inspired or simply good luck? Shall you claim to know all the ways in which God reveals himself?

Does God not and has He not revealed Himself and what he wants for all humans? Or is this God so cold as to simply banish these souls to hell for lack of knowledge? Could God be capable of revealing Himself in multiple ways, as is evident in the various perspectives of the 12 diciples?

Yes, He uses man....but this is an imperfect vessel. Do you not grasp this point? Even in the Bible, God manifests Himself to the people of Israel and even in His presense they cannot abide by what He wants. How much more can you? To attempt to understand the OT, one must also read the Kabballah--have you read that text?

You have not rendered my argument moot. Can God be perfect and man imperfect? If so, how can man perfectly scribe what He wants? We haven't even broached what has been lost in translations for the original languages to fit into English.

My argument is not that God does not exist, nor that he doesn't want us to know about Him. He surely exists and he surely wants us to know him. My argument is that MAN, being imperfect, is incapable of PERFECT translation and PERFECT telling of events, which naturally leads to confusion and contradiction. My argument is solely based on your contention that the Bible is perfect and infallible when transcribed and translated by imperfect humans.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: A K A Stone (#179)

people like her

lol.......now you're a prophet too, eh? Back to you ASSupumptions so early in the morning.

Please post where I've said all Zionists should be dead after you find your brass knuckles of course. Hmmmmmm.....brass knuckles must be what Jesus preached about, right?

Keep throwing those planks, AKA.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: A K A Stone (#179)

When people like her start calling you a "zionist".

Gee, I don't recall ever calling anybody on the 4um that.....maybe you are referring to people like somebody else. You can't even make an applicable analogy.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: A K A Stone (#173)

Her heart is harder then diamonds. She is a hater of the truth. She wants to keep her murderous attitude and sexual pervertedness. It is everything to her. You are being far to kind to her.

Substantiate your bovine excrement, AKA. Wow....setting that Christian example so early in the morning by gossiping and telling lies about other poster. You must be so proud.

Yes, Jesus would surely banish Eric to hell for being kind to me or any other poster whom YOU find disagreement with.

Heart harder than diamonds....lol.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: A K A Stone (#166)

If YOUR site is so great......why aren't you posting there? It is completely disrespectful to Christine for you to waltz over here and continuously advertise for your lame site that can't get any traffic.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Eric Stratton (#172)

As to abraxas being a she, that certainly explains much. She carbon units are definitely more focused around the "heart"/emotional.

Sheesh Eric, you are sitting here gossiping and talking crap about other posters like a middle school girl and yet you think your silly sexist argument has merit......comical.

I'm offering very rational and pragmatic, not in the least bit emotional, discourse on various theological issue relating to the Bible. In fact, I have carefully presented information to you WITHOUT stating my beliefs at all. You can't get much more removed from emotion that to discount your own feelings-- maybe you should try to do the same.

Look, carry on with your gossip and your judgment and your silly explanations. Honestly, I thought you had more integrity, but I guess I overstated your virtues.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Eric Stratton, AKA Stone (#171)

26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered.

Eric, I didn't ask you to trust my heart. I asked you to refrein from judgment of the hearts of others......I didn't even mention trusting my own heart for crying out loud. Are your emotions clouding your judgment Eric?

Look, you ignore my valid posts regarding the Trinity. I'm happy to engage in quit pro quo-----but you haven't held up your end of the bargain. When you do, I will address the scriptures presented in this post.

Of course, I'll understand if you are too busy comparing and contrasting your judgment of me with AKA Stone.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   12:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Eric Stratton (#169)

There's only one way. No writer of the Bible says that there are two ways, not one. John 14:6

No, there is contradictory criteria regarding getting saved--endure to the end, batism, belief to name thee, born of water and spirit, call upon the name of the Lord, confess that "Jesus is Lord," and Acts states that "Those God calls to himself will be saved."

I'm merely asking you which verses are correct and which are not, Eric. Unlike you, I'm not claiming to have the answers. I'm asking the questions.....of course you respond with "lack of knowledge" diversions. I don't think Jesus would respond that way, do you?

Gee, Eric, if there was agreement and no contradiction.....wouldn't we have one UNITED Christian family rather than thousands of sects?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: PSUSA (#184)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: abraxas (#188)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: abraxas (#194)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: abraxas, PSUSA (#194)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Eric Stratton (#197)

You've made your mind up and have already predetermined that any answer that I give you will be inadequate.

Actually, I did want to know your thoughts on the matter......but I'm not suprised you opt for diversion in lieu of discourse. That's been your MO all along this thread.

I'm sure you can use your precious time to carry on with discussing my short comings with Stone since that is so very productive.

Seems to me if you had firm answers, then you would simply offer them when asked. But, it's moot to share your knowlege. Wouldn't want you to waste your time with any testimony to your faith or you knowledge. Especially, when you can use your time to discuss my foolishness with Stone. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   16:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: abraxas (#195)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: abraxas (#200)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Eric Stratton (#198)

As I said, then pick one supposed contradiction or terminal ideological conclusion that you've reached, and put your evidence on the table and then let's chat.

I'm not gonna address your laundry list of non-independently arrived at cliched mud slopped up on the wall.

I presented discussion on the Trinity, which I felt was a serious issue since it still divides many within the Christian faith. You deemed this issue cliched and beneath you to address. We need not look to scripture to desipher judgment either, that too, according to you is mud slop on the wall.

The entire scripture list deals with this topic--guess scripture is just mud slop to you. Wouldn't want you to waste your precious time with mud slop scripture when there is mud slinging about me to attend to.

Do all discussions have to begin and end on your terms? You have the sole authority to ignore the valid questions of others and deem it all mud slop while you cough up what you would like to discuss. How humble of you. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   16:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: abraxas (#203)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   16:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Eric Stratton (#202)

a single discussable bit

I think that the Trinity is a single discussable bit.

Oh, so now the scipture presented is "shit stuck to the wall." Is that a step up or a step down from mud slop?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   17:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Eric Stratton (#201)

Can you please provide the references

Why waste my time tediously posting scripture when you have deemed all scripture I've posted thus far as mud slop of shit on the wall?

You have done no homework for me Eric. You can't even answer the simplest of questions because all questions are beneath you and your superior knowledge and understanding in which you refuse to enlighten the rest of us with.

What is silly is that I've posted plenty of contradiction and ALL has been ignored by you while you claim I'm not posting the verses. Why do you carry on with these circular arguments?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   17:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: abraxas (#206)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   17:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: abraxas (#206)

Eric's a good guy for the most part, but you cannot win an argument with any person if they invoke faith. In general, the limit of their logical abilities extends to "that's the way it is because that's the way God made it."

They've drawn their lines in the stone and are going to defend that fairy tale like it's the only thing they have.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-07   17:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Eric Stratton (#207)

Have a good day Eric....sincerely, I don't hold grudges or get all emotional about Internet discussions.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   17:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: abraxas (#209)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   17:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Samuel Gray (#208)

Eric's a good guy for the most part, but you cannot win an argument with any person if they invoke faith. In general, the limit of their logical abilities extends to "that's the way it is because that's the way God made it."

Thanks Sam, and I know, I've had plenty of good discussions with Eric on various topics.

Lol...there's a reason why they say avoid conversations about sex, religion and politics. But that's all we talk about around here. : )

People just can't seem to help getting emotional about it and, yes, there are limits upon logical abilities......mostly self inflicted.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   17:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: Eric Stratton (#210)

why you're not on bozo

You would miss me if you put me on bozo. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   17:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: abraxas (#212)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-07   17:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: abraxas (#194)

I didn't ask you to trust my heart. I asked you to refrein from judgment of the hearts of others.....

This is precisely why your judgeless philisophy is so wrong. You are for very evil things. Let me list just a couple of them. Killing senile old people. Killing babies because they are inconvenient. Same sex "marriage". With you the list goes on and on.

In your warped mind you wouldn't have anyone judge anything. You would have a parent have their kids in the care of child molesters. I mean you can't judge right?

Your fruit stinks like cat shit.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-07   19:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: abraxas (#195)

No, there is contradictory criteria regarding getting saved--endure to the end, batism, belief to name thee, born of water and spirit, call upon the name of the Lord, confess that "Jesus is Lord," and Acts states that "Those God calls to himself will be saved."

Then post chapter verse and tell us what the contradictions are and why. Are you capable of that little task? I seriously doubt it.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-07   19:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: buckeroo (#186)

You voted for a pissant, John McCain. I never recognized the same.

He wasn't as bad as Obama. You thought high enough of Obama to not vote against him.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-07   19:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: A K A Stone (#216)

You voted for John McCain a known treasonous anti-USA Constitutional son-of-a bitch. The punk isn't even a Republican as he claims.

Your vote shows your true colours.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-07   20:04:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: abraxas (#211) (Edited)

People just can't seem to help getting emotional about it and, yes, there are limits upon logical abilities......mostly self inflicted.

You are one of the very few I would discuss these things with, knowing ahead of time that it is not a waste of time.

You are honest, whether we agree or not. That's rare. Very rare.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-07   20:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: A K A Stone (#215)

Then post chapter verse and tell us what the contradictions are and why. Are you capable of that little task?

Start with post 71. This was the first time I posted chapter and verse to which you chimed in with a response despite not knowing what the hell you were talking about.

Chapter and verse is written in the text......although we both know how poor your reading comprehension is.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   21:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: A K A Stone (#214)

You are for very evil things. Let me list just a couple of them. Killing senile old people. Killing babies because they are inconvenient. Same sex "marriage". With you the list goes on and on.

Your fruit stinks like cat shit.

Really? Supply the posts that support this bovine excrement.

Your breath stinks like cat shit. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   21:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: PSUSA (#218)

You are one of the very few I would discuss these things with, knowing ahead of time that it is not a waste of time.

Thanks PSUSA. I don't think we are supposed to agree on everything.....how are we to learn from one another if we only discuss issues within an echo chamber?

I don't claim to have all the answers and its okay with me if you disagree. I will still respect your POV.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   21:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: abraxas, A K A Stone (#219)

although we both know how poor your reading comprehension is.

my observation is that Stone doesn't read most of what others post. he thinks he's always right and righteous and is unwilling to earnestly consider information that doesn't gel with his preconceptions.

christine  posted on  2010-02-07   21:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: christine (#222)

Astute observations Christine. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

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