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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales.

My philosophy is that of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Let me add to that, that if he does exist, he's a monstrous great bastard and I want nothing to do with him.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-02   19:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Excuse me?

Babies are innocents and are presumed to be without guilt.

I have to say that your point is well taken.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-02   19:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#10)

Is that from the Avatar movie?

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tom007  posted on  2010-02-02   20:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Samuel Gray, all (#17)

Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales.

My philosophy is that of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Quod erat demonstrandum.

And with any such logically fallacious argument of this category presenting another alternative invalidates the argument to whit: God specifically does not intervene because we were granted free will and self determinism. It is our responsibility to rise above the evil and to create a civilization worthy of the name. To demand of God that he solve our problems for us is abdicate responsibility for our actions. That is why I am so derisive of the rupture nuts as theirs is simply another excuse for avoiding responsibility.

Q.E.D.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   20:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

Most humans from back in antiquity until now, prefer to believe in or desire there be a divine being. The degree of their belief is the dividing point, from atheism to extremism.

Religion and science agree on one point of their arguments, that is, very basic religion God always was, the scientist says matter always was, and from there they diverge.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-02   20:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tom007 (#19)

?

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-02   20:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

The extremes on any subject are often times equally wrong. From rejection to ecstasy is one point on the same circle.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   20:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#10)

Whoever that is is going just a wee bit heavy on that black gunk on her eyes.

Speaking of eyes, what's up with those rectangular pupils? That's weird.

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Esso  posted on  2010-02-02   20:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)

Once had two friends, one a scientist, the other a PHD in theology.

One knew there was no such thing as a God, the other knew full well there was.

The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-02   20:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Esso (#24)

It really isn't so much about "Christians" or the false prophets that is imbued in contemporary ministries. Nope. Nothing to do with any of that.

It is about the people that believe in false prophets; similar to the political charlatans that believe in "Democrats" or "Republicans."

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-02   20:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#13)

That's an awesome story...thank you for sharing.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-02   20:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Atheism was probably the biggest mistake I made in my younger years (college and about 5-6 years afterwards). It made one family relationship much more stressful than it ever should have been and it was my own sense of infallible knowledge that was at fault. Now I am agnostic but I respect Christianity.

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purpleman  posted on  2010-02-02   21:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom. all (#25)

The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.

Hedging your bets is never a bad idea.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   21:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I believe that loving God with one's being and treating my neighbor as I desire to be treated are the two supreme laws.

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bluegrass  posted on  2010-02-02   21:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: bluegrass (#30)

Perfect point - those are the only two laws that Christ added to the Ten Commandments.

If followed, there would be no need for any other of our rules, laws, or regulations.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#31)

Amen, brother. It's simple common sense, eh?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-02-02   21:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: bluegrass. all (#32)

As stupid as we became after eating from the tree of knowledge, He had to make it pretty simple for us.

And even today, we still don't get it.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   22:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#27)

Thanks. There is much more but it would take numerous posts. One of these days I am going to write the whole thing down and save it so I can just post it.

One of the things I believe HE has for me to do is share my testimony. There have been a few odd things.... like I can no longer smell or taste food because the olfactory (sp) nerves were all severed. The one thing that probably bothers me more than anything is the doctors explained that the damage destroyed the function of the amygdala, hypothalamus and all the parts of the frontal lobes that control emotions. It has gotten better over the years but I still have problems with anger and depression. The anger will quickly come in less than a few seconds and sometimes I become outraged and quite vocal (as one of my bosses learned a few years ago as well as a few of those on the Organizing For America-Obama site LOL) but fortunately it usually subsides within a minute or so. The saddness and depression often last much longer.

But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.

Take care.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#31)

If you follow those two it is not possible to break any of the 10 Commandments.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes, I follow Christ the best I can. As Lod pointed out, the two great commandments are what anyone really needs to focus on. Everything else takes care of itself after that. The rest is bait and I'll bite.

That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws.

Is really one question, and a loaded one at that. Until the invention of the printing press, it was rare for the common person to possess a copy of Scripture. I doubt most local parishes would have had complete copies either. An awful lot of people got "saved" during those days did they not? Amazing how many people were churched up without a pocket Bible being toted around for many, many centuries. Hit any Catholic or Orthodox forum and you'll find healthy debates to whether or not the Canon of Scripture has ever been fully closed. Then there is the whole separate issue regarding the deuterocanonicals. Holy Scripture makes it clear "Scripture Alone" does not contain the whole of divine revelation, BUT, it IS the supreme expression of God's revelation to the human race. St Paul states in his letters to remember the traditions handed down/taught by word of mouth or by letter by the Apostles themselves. St Paul mentions the two Egyptian magicians by name who stood against Moses, but their names are not recorded in the Old Testament. St Luke in the Book of Acts records St Paul quoting Christ saying it is better to give than receive. Good luck finding that one in the Gospels. As for contradictions or flaws, that makes for an interesting Google search. St Mark and St John record two different times for the crucifixion. Of course none of this begins to touch the many Bibles out there today with the vast array of translations and all the flaws therein.

That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand? Do you really want to turn God into a sadistic, evil, wrathful, vengeful deity who looks forward to punishing His creation just because He can? So said South American tribesman comes to God and says I've never heard of your or Christ. I never had the opportunity. God says off to Hell with you, you sorry slothful person! (I) said Christ is the only way to heaven and you never got that message from Me. No exceptions. Well, it sure sucks to be you today. Hell awaits, off you go! Really? Really? I tried defending that position at one time and it fails miserably on it's face as the atheists are dead on in this regard.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-02-03   1:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: scooter (#36)

If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell

Actually there is somewhere in scripture that mentions that those who have not received the word and do the things in the word naturally would be saved. That is a paraphrase.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

hey stone do Jews believe in Christ?

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-02-03   8:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itistoolate (#38)

Hey tolate is the Bible true?

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37) (Edited)

never mind


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#41. To: Horse, All (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   9:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#34)

But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.

I have the same attitude toward my accident and also agree with the rest of your statement here.

I have to say it made me LESS fundamentalist, though. I had been attending a Southern Baptist church for a long time prior to that, but the experiences I had when I left my body were all about entering a realm of pure love which really cannot be described by the earthly religion I had been caught up in.

I also thank you for sharing that amazing story of what happened to you. I suffered no permanent damage from what happened to me and I only lost consciousness for a brief period of time. In fact, the guy who had heard the thud and came out of his house to see what had happened out in the street (he was watching a pro football game at the time; it was a Sunday afternoon) said he had to keep me from trying to get up out of the ditch I'd landed in. That's what my body reflexively wanted to do. I have no memory of that and wouldn't have been able to get far with a pelvis broken in three places anyhow. Then the collapsed lung began to affect the oxygen level in my brain and that's when I probably lost consciousness for a while.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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#50. To: Eric Stratton (#47)

Seriously, she's also the precise type that both Jesus and Paul spoke about negatively who were false sheep/prophets.

Right on ... it's hypocrites that have so dulled the two-edged sword.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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