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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. I believe that Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be and that he is "the way, the truth and the life."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
I don't believe anyone is held accountable for more light than they have been shown. "...for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation." (Romans 4:15) ". . . for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law." (Romans 5:13) This is not any sort of ecumenical theology or "all ways lead to God." Those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and have refused to believe have rejected Him, and, as such, will fall under the condemnation of God, because they have rejected His provision for our disobedience. The atheist and the skeptic are still 'without excuse' (Romans 1:18:20) but that isn't the same thing as the condemnation of those who, by time and circumstance, have never heard of either the Law or the Gospel, but conduct themselves according to the unwritten law in their heart. Those who perpetrate evil, even without the knowledge of the gospel, will likewise be condemned, since they have violated their God-given conscience. But what happens to those who never called upon the Name of Jesus because they never heard the Name of Jesus? God will judge them in righteousness, according to His own Word. They aren't the ones the skeptic needs to worry about.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The above is trivial. I would have hoped that you would have come with far more difficult supposed "contradictions." You, and PSUSA, among many others, will never understand the context and perspective until you seek from a truly seeking heart In fact, I detect that you are being purely argumentative, and frankly, floating child's play arguments if you ask me and that have been addressed infinite times by others in the past ranging from the distant past to the modern past. I know, but not based on some notion that the Bible is an infallible text. As I stated before, I have HUNDREDS of Biblical contradictions up for discussion. The Trinity was posed because there is a divide within Christians regarding this matter, which I view as an obvious divide based upon contradictory texts posed by Biblical writers. If they are all receiving the Holy word of God, then why the contradiction, Eric? This is merely a way to avoid addressing the contradictions presented as you degrade the messenger and the scriptures presented by claiming that both are beneath your superior perceptions. So, you are posing that your selection of texts is more clear and precise than the scriptures I offered for debate. Is this based solely on your choice? After you cherry pick are the other scriptures some how less relevant to the discussion? Have you considered that PSUSA and I come to our understanding FROM THE HEART and not from Biblical text that is witten by humans and contradictory? You sure like to pass judgment on others, Eric. Do you know my heart? Do you know PSUSA's heart? No, you don't, and, in truth, the hearts of others are not for you to judge. The scriptures are clear on that issue. As far as I'm concerned, a good Christian could discard all of the Bible save the Sermon on the Mount and have all the text necessary to be the kind of Christian Jesus came to show them was possible. However, most Christians discard the Sermon on the Mount, as this is a difficult path to embark upon, opting instead to banter about the rest of the contradictory text to justify their own perceptions. Your detections are based on your perceptions, and both are wrong. So, according to you, the Trinity is child's play. You should send a memo to theologians who spend their lives disecting this matter. Merely the fact that the debate continues demonstrates validity in the argument. Next, we can discuss the various ways in which writers of the Bible tell the masses that they can be saved. Unless you deem this matter also as child's play and beneath your self righteous indignation to address. Many contradictions on that issue, much debate in the distant and modern past right up to this current moment. Getting saved may just be child's play from your persepective, if so, just let me know.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Tammy Faye Baker Messner died in 2007.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm an athiest, but I intensely dislike territorial athiests, and the orthodox athiests are just the worst. Jesus was an enlightened man, he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. lol.....thank for the laugh Dak.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Of course then you have to look for it. ;-) Arr! Gotta find the buried treasure! ;)
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." I hate you both and I wish you had cancer!
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Ah... ok... the "buried treasure" comment of mine jogged your memory of a Terence and Philip sketch. lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." You tell me? I'm not a member of one of the 38000 plus denominations. Why don't you make good use of your time and write to every denomination and tell them they are hell bound heretics for not believing as you do. Blow it our your ass. You've already proven yourself to be a liar by trying to make it look like I was for the government regulation of the right to die and then running off like a little bitch when I proved you were a liar.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The answer is Christian philosophy. There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today. If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words). No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created.
The answer is Christian philosophy. There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today. If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words). No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created. So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true. I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world. At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil. My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell, whether it be because they interpret a biblical passage differently or because of another person's sin (while conveniently forgetting about that plank in their own eye). I read it every day from so-called Christians. Everyone's going to hell but them. One only has to read the post by Eric to me to see an example. What his post is saying is that there can't be more than one interpretation. HE has the only truth. Everyone else is a heretic or "false Christian." Scree that. They can have it. Let them damn each other all day long and I'll laugh at them like the dumb asses they are. As for "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness," there are arguments on whether it was based on the writing's of John Locke or Blackstone's Commentaries. Since John Locke didn't believe in either the trinity or original sin I have no doubt the the religious know-it-all's on this board will damn him and claim he wasn't a Christian, even though, from my readings, he considered himself one. One again, that pesky interpretation problem that supposedly doesn't exist has raised its ugly head.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor
Have a good evening.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That goes back a long time. The clergy class used that to keep people in line. Now everyone is a clergyman, sentencing everyone that doesnt toe the company line to this "hell". These "teachers" don't know what they are talking about, but they sure do sound like they know what they are talking about. They are soooooo positive about these things. When I see them on the boob tube or hear them on the radio, they shout, extremely loudly, as if this yelling will convince someone they are telling the truth. You don't need to yell if you are telling the truth about anything. Show them the errors and they get extremely angry. They never respond to it when these errors are shown, with the exception of a tiny minority. They just throw temper tantrums. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Better interpretations wouldn't help. You can show them these errors and they ignore them. Fix those errors and they would accuse you of promoting a satanic deception. When I was first shown these things, I was happy. It finally made sense when it made no sense before. But to the vast majority: they hate it. The apostle Paul wrote about this corruption, it's in the gospels, Peter wrote about it. It didn't take long for corruption to set in. It went on in their times. It just keeps getting worse.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true. I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world. "Writings" imply words, and an intellectual endeavor. We humans have two different driving forces within us. The first is biological and the second is intellectual. Our biological imperatives lead us into being tribal and territorial. We are emotionally suited to a top down pecking order system of organization within the our tribe and family. On the other hand "the words of Christianity" lead us to a different system of organization, a horizontal person to person system of intellectual organization. (i.e., "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"). Jesus was an intellectual. And it is more than fair to label Jesus as a philosopher. Words are the most important and potent tool of mankind. True intellectuals give credit to those who change the direction of humanity with their words. We all must call ourselves Newtonians and Darwinians. Newton's and Darwin's words changed the direction of humanity. So too did Jesus' philosophical words. Shouldn't we all, who live in the West, call ourselves philosophical Christians. Wouldn't that be intellectually honest. At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil. These people who do harm to others are not philosophical Christians. There is a difference between religious Christians and philosophical Christians. A religious Christian has a top down relationship with god, a philosophical Christian has a horizontal relationship with his fellow humans. Some Christians are both, many are not. There are good religious Christians and there are bad religious Christians - but there are no bad philosophical Christians with destructive intentions. Also one can be a philosophical Christian without being a religious Christian. Those religious Christians that do harm to others, have not given up their biological driven selves - they remain trapped in their tribal and top down biological human nature. They are top down with both god and their neighbors. Jesus said "live by the sword, die by the sword" - history is replete with Christians who ignore those philosophical words. It is not easy, giving up our top down pecking order natural self. We have to work at being "a philosophical Christian." Again Christianity is an intellectual horizontal way of life for humanity, where we us our brains to direct our actions - not our gonads. Intellectual Philosophical Christianity, in name, should be celebrated - not denied.
Wasn't that a crazy story. Makes me sad I swapped it out at last minute for whole Melvins attache first minute posters check, vest, hat, and drumstick parts. Stay away from LSD young man, right?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Exceedingly wise counsel I think.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Best I can do under the circumstances...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.
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Eric judged you correctly. We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.
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You don't believe in God. That is your right to be a fool. Also, If someone believes in God and you don't. That would make them holier then you.
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How about some examples.
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AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.
Is there a full moon rising or something? I noticed today that Clean is back and Stoner is intent on making a fool of himself yet again. Scary times we live in when we get the double whammy of Stoner and Clean posting on the same night.
How about some examples. Sorry - I do not do the Bible - I do Jesus. He said the "truth will set you free." Except for the practical words of Jesus - what truth in the Bible.
Roman Catholic Christian.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Here is a little something I found. Perhaps you will take a minute and read it. Perhaps not. It highlights the differences I have with them, and you. Do they believe the fire in I Cor.3:15 burns mans’ works, but not the man himself? Yes. But do they teach that this same fire in Rev.20:15 also burns works, not the man? No. Do they believe that God is the Creator of ALL? Yes. But do they teach that God created EVIL as He says in (Isa. 45:7)? No. (a) Do they teach that God knows evil (Genesis 3:22 KJV)? No. (added by PSUSA) Do they believe that God is absolutely and totally sovereign (Eph. 1:11)? Yes. But do they teach that God exercises sovereignty over man’s supposed "free" will? No. Do they believe that Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of the whole world (I Jn 4:14)? Yes. But do they teach that Jesus Christ will SAVE the whole world? No. Do they believe that presently Christ only has immortality (I Tim. 6:16)? Yes. But do they teach the truth therefore that men’s souls are mortal and not immortal? No. Do they believe that the original manuscripts of God’s Word were inerrant? Yes. But do they teach us that the King James translation, which they say is "inerrant" has gone through THOUSANDS of error corrections since 1611? No. Do they believe that the soul that sins shall DIE (Ezek. 18:4)? Yes. But do they teach that souls of deceased sinners are actually DEAD? No. Do they believe there are many cults today that need exposing? Yes. But do they teach that Christendom, by its OWN definitions, is also a cult? No. Do they believe that Sodom is "suffering the vengeance of eternal [aeonian] fire? Yes. But do they teach that Sodom will be restored to their former estate (Ezek. 16:55)? No. Do they believe in a future resurrection of dead people back to life (John 5:29)? Yes. But do they teach that a resurrection is imperative for dead people to live again? No. Do they believe the first half of I Cor. 15:22 that "For as in Adam ALL die?" Yes. But do they teach the last half, "even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive?" No. Do they believe that "...the end of the world [Gk: aion -- age]" ends in Mat. 24:3? Yes. But do they teach that this same "aion -- age" in Matt. 25:41 & 46 will also end. No. Do they believe that Jn 3:13 & Acts 2:34 are truthful Scripture (II Tim. 3:16)? Yes. But do they teach this truth that "NO man," including David, has gone to heaven? No. Do they believe ALL God purposed, spoke, and willed (Isa. 46:10-11), He will do? Yes. But do they teach that God’s "will" to save all, I Tim. 2:4, etc., will be done? No. Do they believe that Satan lied when he told Eve, "thou shalt not surely die?" Yes. But do they teach the truth that sinners really do DIE at death as God has stated? No. Do they believe that the Apocryphal books do not belong in the Bible? Yes. But do they teach us that the 1611 so-called "inerrant" King James Bible contained fourteen such books, including "Tobit," "Judith," "The idol Bel and the Dragon"? No. Do they believe that Christ is totally responsibility for our salvation? Yes. But do they teach that "no man can" come to Christ of himself (John 6:44)? No. Do they believe that Satan is the greatest sinner of all? Yes. But do they teach Jn. 8:44 which states that Satan "sinned from the beginning?" No. Do they believe Christ really died for the sins of the world? Yes. But do they teach that Jesus Christ was dead when they placed Him in the tomb? No. Do they believe the many Scriptures that liken death to "sleep?" Yes. But do they teach that dead people are unconscious, "sleeping" till resurrection? No. Do they believe that the last enemy to be destroyed [Gk: abolished] is death? Yes. But do they teach that ALL death, including the second death, will be abolished? No. Do they believe that all things are possible with God (Mark 10:27)? Yes. But do they teach that it is possible for God to save nonbelievers after they die? No. Do they believe that every tongue in heaven and earth will confess Jesus as LORD? Yes. But do they teach that the Holy Spirit inspires this sincere voluntary act (I Cor. 12:3)? No. Do they believe that good and evil are both in the same tree of knowledge? Yes But do they teach that good and evil both come from the same root source? No. Do they believe that God absolutely "knows all" (I John 3:20)? Yes. But do they teach that God knows in advance ALL who will reject Christ? No. Do they believe that God’s love will never fail (I Cor. 13:Cool? Yes. But do they teach that God’s love will never fail in saving the world He loves? No. Do they believe the apostles spoke in foreign languages in Acts 2:4-11? Yes. But do they teach that of the hundreds of thousands who claim to speak in tongues today, not one of them can speak in multiple languages which they did not already study? No. Do they believe that the masses did not understand Christ’s parables (Mat. 13:13)? Yes. But do they teach that Christ purposely didn’t want them to understand, (Vs. 14-17)? No. Do they believe the Old Covenant contained the Ten Commandments (Deut.4:12)? Yes. But do they teach a New Covenant which contains a much higher law (Heb. 8:8-9)? No. Do they believe that God created all the spirits and messengers of heaven? Yes. But do they teach that God also created Satan who was always His adversary? No. Do they believe that loving our enemies means doing good and not evil to them? Yes. But do they teach that God will never subject His enemies to eternal torture and evil? No.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or lol.....let's check on the scriptures. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: WHO ART THOU THAT JUDGEST ANOTHER? James, iv, 12. Let us not therefore judge one another any more. Romans, xiv, 13. Wherin thou judgest another, THOU CONDEMNEST THYSELF. Romans, ii, 1. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned......For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke, vi, 37-38. Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shaall be judged: and with waht measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew, vii, 1-2. God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. Psalms, lxxv,7. Who made thee ruler and judge over us? Acts, vii 27, 35. He maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. (speaking of fools.....)Isaiah, xl, 23. So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I am not all knowing. But thanks for the vote of confidence. What fault do you find with the King James version? Can you name any?
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He also said he didn't come to destroy the law. The law is in the old testament. If you are afraid to answer my previous question. That is ok.
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The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge. The verses that you quoted are simply saying not to be a hypocrite in your judgements. No contradiction. Hopefully you can learn from that and study it further.
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what do you know about King James? who did he commission to translate the various books of the bible. were there any left out? were there any politics involved in the decision of what was to be included? he sounds like he was a rather savory character to me. ++++++++ With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. His name has become synonymous with the famous printing of the Bible that bears his name, the “King James Bible” of 1611 AD. He was one of the most intelligent Kings to reign over England, but his personal life made him the most controversial since his relative, King Henry VIII. James VI of Scotland and James I of England James VI of Scotland (June 19, 1566 - March 27, 1625, reigned July 24, 1567 - March 27, 1625) became James I of England and Ireland (reigned March 24, 1603- March 27, 1625) and was the first king of both England and Scotland. He also held the title of King of France, as had all his predecessors in the English throne since October 21, 1422, although by his time the title didn't come with an active claim of this throne. James succeeded Elizabeth I as the closest living relative of the unmarried childless English monarch, through his descent from one of Henry VIII's sisters. King James Crowned at the Age of One Prince James became King of Scotland on July 24, 1567, at the age of 13 months, after his mother Mary, Queen of Scots was forced to abdicate. Mary fled to England, where she was imprisoned for the next 19 years. His father, Lord Darnley, had died in mysterious circumstances shortly after James was born. James was formally crowned at the Church of the Holy Rood, Stirling on July 29, 1567. In accordance to the religious atmosphere of the time, he was brought up as a Scottish Presbyterian, though his mother had been a Roman Catholic. King James – from Scotland to England James inherited the throne of England after the death of his mother's cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. James was never a very popular monarch among the people of England. He laid much of the groundwork that would eventually lead to the beheading of his heir Charles I during the English Civil War, but because of his political skills, his rule was relatively stable. James married Anne of Denmark by proxy on August 20, 1589, and in person on November 23, 1589 and again in person in January 21, 1590. They had eight children, of whom only three lived beyond infancy: Henry, Prince of Wales- (February 19, 1594 - November 6, 1612), Elizabeth Stuart - (August 19, 1596 - February 13, 1662), and King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland - (November 19, 1600 - January 30, 1649). James dissolved the English Parliament on February 8, 1622, following a dispute involving parliamentary criticisms of a marriage proposed by James, of his son Charles to Princess Maria Anna of Spain. King James was quoted as saying, "Monarchy is the greatest thing on earth. Kings are rightly called gods since just like God they have power of life and death over all their subjects in all things. They are accountable to God only ... so it is a crime for anyone to argue about what a king can do." King James is considered to have been one of the most intellectual and learned individuals ever to sit on any English or Scottish throne. He is primarily remembered for authorizing the production of the King James Version of the Bible, the highly popular English translation from Greek and Hebrew, which remains the most printed book in the history of the world, with over one billion copies in print. King James had nothing to do with the translating the Bible, he merely authorized it and provided financing for its production. Beyond that, however, James wrote several books himself. 'Queen James' One area of the life of King James that for many years remained clouded in controversy was allegations that James was homosexual. As James did father several children by Anne of Denmark, it is actually more accurate to say that he was allegedly a bi-sexual. While his close relationships with a number of men were noted, earlier historians questioned their sexual nature, however, few modern historians cast any doubt on the King's bisexuality and the fact that his sexuality and choice of male partners both as King of Scotland then later in London as King of England were the subject of gossip from the city taverns to the Privy Council. His relationship as a teenager with fellow teenager Esmé Stuart, Earl of Lennox was criticized by Scottish Church leaders, who were part of a conspiracy to keep the young King and the young French courtier apart, as the relationship was improper to say the least. Lennox, facing threats of death, was forced to leave Scotland. In the 1580s, King James openly kissed Francis Stewart Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. Contemporary sources clearly hinted their relationship was a sexual one. When James inherited the English throne from Queen Elizabeth I in 1603, it was openly joked of the new English monarch in London that “Elizabeth was King: now James is Queen!” If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left.
No, the scriptures I quoted didn't say RIGHTEOUS judgment.......YOU say that. But, the scriptures quoted are quite clear. Besides one would actually have to be RIGHTEOUS to make a righteous judgment and that discounts you AKA, even if your cherry picking application of scripture had any merit.......which it doesn't. You merely prove my point about the contraditions. The scripture is clear, yet you deny the Biblical word so that you can opt for other scriptures that better fit your small perception and belief system. Some Christian....you discount the scipture when it doesn't fit your self- righteous and arrogant belief that YOU should be the judge and not the Lord.
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#78. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
Lord Acton
#79. To: abraxas (#71)
#80. To: scooter (#36)
Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand?
Lord Acton
#81. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#79)
Please, allow me to ask however, are you sincerely interested in knowing, or are you simply throwing up stuff that you've heard (as it seems) and purely for purposes of arguing?
#83. To: Eric Stratton (#51)
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Be fun to see her, Pelosi, and Hillary at a party. They all seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Lord Acton
#84. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#85. To: Dakmar (#84)
#86. To: Dakmar (#84)
he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.
#87. To: Flintlock (#86)
#88. To: Original_Intent (#67)
The first step to finding the truth is to be aware that it exists.
#89. To: irishthatcherite (#88)
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#90. To: Flintlock (#86)
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#91. To: Dakmar (#89)
#92. To: Eric Stratton (#45)
How about the Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers, e.g.? Why?
#93. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
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For instance, I am against abortion, yet I am an atheist, or at least highly agnostic. I am against abortion because I believe that "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" applies to the unborn as much as it does the born.
#94. To: your_neighbor (#93)
What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
#95. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
#96. To: your_neighbor (#95)
Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor
#97. To: Dakmar (#90)
Lord Acton
#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell,
die kill ~~ Me
#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
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#100. To: James Deffenbach (#97)
cereal killer
#101. To: Dakmar (#100)
Stay away from LSD young man, right?
Lord Acton
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#101)
#103. To: PSUSA (#72)
#104. To: abraxas (#82)
You sure like to pass judgment on others
#105. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell
#106. To: your_neighbor (#93)
Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).
#107. To: A K A Stone (#103)
The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.
#108. To: christine, A K A Stone, Mr. Clean (#107)
#109. To: A K A Stone (#106)
Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).
#110. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Just curious who would consider themselves a Christian
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#111. To: A K A Stone (#103)
die kill ~~ Me
#112. To: A K A Stone (#104)
We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.
#113. To: christine (#107)
AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.
#114. To: your_neighbor (#109)
He said the "truth will set you free."
#115. To: abraxas (#112)
So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?
#116. To: A K A Stone (#113)
#117. To: A K A Stone (#115)
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The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge.
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