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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
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I believe, and won't deny Him before men.
I would be curious about who on your board is pro abortion. A Christian can't be pro choice I've seen some say. Given the way you have reacted to some pro choice people here, if you did a survey on LF I bet you would be surprised by the number of pro abort people posting.
I deny the Old Testament. I cannot accept a god who preaches genocide. I accept the idea of the New Testament that Jesus was the first born of many brethren. We are to become like Jesus. I also believe in reicarnation. I also believe those Zionists who kill millions of innocents for Israel will suffer greatly when the dollar collapses and will suffer even more during their next life or two.
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Nonsense. Which version is the perfect one? I'm a heretic. I don't want to be lumped in with people that call themselves christians.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or God is Love. That's what I believe. And I've survived a near-death experience that literally proved to me that this is the case. There's no way I should be alive. I should have been killed instantly by the Chevrolet Suburban which ran off the road and hit me head-on going an estimated 40 mph (according to an eyewitness). I cannot prove what happened to me to anyone else, but neither will I any longer debate about who/what God is to me. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Why his version, of course. Need you even ask? LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
As did early Christians and the Nestorian Church still does today. I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject". As well one is usually confronted with the "If'n you don't believe exactly as I do the you's a heathen" argument. Another one of those interminably boring, close minded, and aggravating lines of discussion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I'm with you on this one !!!
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
I believe in God, in that there is a Supreme Being. I don't believe books written by men to be the word of that Supreme Being, they are the words of men.
As in Spanish Inquistion? Or how the Christians raped, pillaged and plundered Africa, the New World or even their own Nuns in Italy? How about how the "Christians" fornicated with Philippinos as recently as 100 years ago(both men and women) spreading "the word?" How about how Christians encouraged Zionists to pillage the region known as "Israel?" I wager you won't answer one question. But you will sit on your stump telling the world, those won't Christian acts. Those were acts by men. Christians are liars. They are charlatans and deceptive in their so-called merits about the gospel. Here is your modern day Christian: "The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
The rise of militant atheism Published: Sunday | September 6, 2009 Ian Boyne, Contributor Is religion good for society? Is the Bible really a good book let alone 'The Good Book'? And does God really exist? Can we prove it? A group of militant atheists have been giving a resounding and vehement "No!" to all these questions, much to the consternation of Christians. In the last few years, Christians have experienced their own Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. There is no mystery to them, as they have made no attempt to disguise their identities or agenda. They are named Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens. They have written some profoundly disturbing books in the last four years: The God Delusion (Richard Dawkins); The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation (Sam Harris); Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon (Daniel Dennett); and god is not Great (Christopher Hitchens). Hitchens and Dawkins are the most dreaded of these four "beasts" in Christian fundamentalist demonology. Unknown to most Jamaican Christians, including many pastors and theologians, there has been an intense, fierce and furious intellectual battle taking place over God in North America and Britain particularly, in the last four years. A new, militant atheism has arisen. The New Atheists, as they have been dubbed, have been carrying out their work with evangelistic and evangelical zeal. It's about time, they say, as for too long thinking, rational people have allowed Christians to dominate the public space, influencing public policy to great societal damage, with their myths and dogmas. Struggle Christians, for example, have been at the forefront of the struggle against the right of gay people to live without stigma and prejudice; the right to have a "loving and legal marriage"; the "right" to adopt and rear children. Christians have stoutly opposed women's sovereignty over their own bodies, tyrannising public policy on abortion, as the atheists would see it. Christians have opposed stem cell research which would benefit people undergoing intense suffering. They are said to be responsible for untold suffering in places like Africa where AIDS has been rampant, because of the teaching of Christianity's largest denomination (Catholicism) against the use of condoms. Catholic teaching forbidding policy on artificial birth control has both swelled and harmed populations in Latin America where Catholicism has been strong. Christians, charge the New Atheists, have been responsible for supporting or giving justification to some of the most obnoxious social evils which mankind has known. Christopher Hitchens sees religion as child abuse and devotes a whole chapter in his book, "god is not Great, defending that thesis. "Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry; invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry; contemptuous of women and coercive toward children, organised religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience," Hitchens spews in his highly polemical and angry book. (He sees it as justified outrage; the sort rational persons should exhibit to the kind of atrocities religion fosters, in his view). Atrocious behaviour And it is not only that Christians, as fallible human beings, have not been able to live out the ideal of the Bible and, therefore, they engage in atrocious behaviour. No, say people like Dawkins and Hitchens. That is how the Christians' God behaves. Explains Dawkins in his book, The God Delusion: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, blood-thirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticide, genocidal, filicidal pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously bully." Some Christians might even condemn me for quoting this "blasphemous" passage from the Gospel of Dawkins; a passage which would, under previous era, land him in jail. But people would be shocked to know that long before Hitchens wrote that, the revered American Founding Father Thomas Jefferson said, "The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust". But now the New Atheists are popularising their ideas through the big American media, of which they have become darlings. Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens' books have been best-sellers on the New York Times lists (Dennett is more sober and restrained, hence less of a pull for media.) The New Atheists have been helped considerably by a growing group of Christians, including scholars and pastors, who have become atheists and who are now openly confessing their atheism. From the 19th century particularly, with the rise of Biblical criticism, a huge percentage of Biblical scholars have rejected conservative views that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Many Biblical scholars see the Bible as a human book, limited by culture and history and not by any means immune from error. One prominent Biblical scholar who has become an atheist and who is a celebrity in the big American media is Professor Bart Ehrman who over the last few years has produced a stream of books devastating to Christianity and the Bible: Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind who Changed the Bible and Why; The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture; Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths we Never Knew; Lost Scriptures: Books That Did not Make It Into the New Testament; God's problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer our Most Important Question - Why we Suffer and his most recent; Jesus Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't know About Them). Ehrman was a Bible-believer, Gospel-toting Fundamentalist Christian schooled in the most conservative Evangelical seminaries in America - Moody Bible Institute and Wheaton. But he later went to Princeton where he gained a PhD in New Testament studies. In his book God's problem he tells how he lost his faith after becoming a pastor and preaching every Sunday and holding prayer group and Bible studies. "I realised that I could no longer reconcile the claims of faith with the facts of life. I could no longer explain how there can be a good and all-powerful God actively involved with this world given the state of things. For many people inhabiting this planet, life is a cesspool of misery and suffering. I came to the point where I could not believe that there is a good and kindly disposed Ruler who is in charge of it." I could no longer believe Unlike what almost every Christian might believe, Ehrman did not leave willingly, but tried to hang on to his faith until he simply could not anymore, his faith bursting under the weight of contrary evidence, as he would see it. "I did not go easily. On the contrary, I left kicking and screaming, wanting desperately to hold on to the faith I had known from my childhood. But I came to the point where I could no longer believe". In the view of the New Atheists like Harris, Dennett, Dawkins and Hitchens, only the tiniest minority have the courage to leave an unthinking faith, which is what all religious faith is ultimately. Besides, the vast majority are simply not bright enough to realise they what they believe is an illusion, a myth, a fable like those from Greek legends. In fact, Dawkins has angered Christians for years by saying he cannot see how any educated person can believe in God. He says the evidence for evolution is too overwhelming and coercive for any person who claims to be educated to deny that evidence and say he does not believe in evolution. He says atheists should be simply called Brights for those who are not atheists are not bright. (Dawkins , from the prestigious Oxford University, is considered the most arrogant of all the new atheists, followed closely by Hitchens). Hitchens says in his book, god is not Great: "Religion comes from a period of human pre-history where nobody had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from bawling and a fearful infancy of our species and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion." The growth of Islamic fanaticism and terrorism; the danger of militant Islam to democracy and peace and the 9/11 experience have served to reinforce the view that religion is bad for society. In addition, the New Atheists are buttressed by scientific evidence which seems to prove that religion is harmful to sociological and psychological health. The facts An international survey of 23,000 persons in 17 democracies shows that "in general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with high rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality STD-infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies". (See Gregory Paul's article in Vol. 7, 2005 issue of The Journal of Religion and Health). Secular Europe scores higher on a number of indices of social health than the more religious United States. Japan, which is a highly secularised society, is far more peaceful and sociologically healthy than religious America. Says Gregory in his Journal of Religion and Society essay: "The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the democracies, sometimes spectacularly so. No democracy is known to have combined strong religiosity and popular denial of evolution with high rates of societal health. The US is the least efficient Western nation in terms of converting wealth into cultural and physical health". And a religion is a major factor say the militant atheists.
He never preaches genocide. This is what Jesus was telling others... Mark 10: 2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. 3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? 4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. 5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. In other words, the laws he gave them including those through Moses were to help them control their acts, laws etc. But it was often taken too far. An "eye for an eye" doesn't mean you must take an eye for an eye, it means you must never go beyond that. Remember who the committed the first murder? Cain! Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." He was telling them that this is the maximum, but that it doesn't mean that it must be. That is what is wrong with those use this to support capital punishment. They assume it must always be. But Jesus repeatedly reminded them that do assume so was wrong. This is what HE told them also... Matthew 5: 46 or if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
I have been told by many doctors (neurologists) that I am without a doubt a miracle. In 2002 I went down on my Harley trying to avoid a car that was cutting into me and I split my skull open. I was in a coma for over a month and then when I came out of the coma I was in a "vegetative" state. I was in Barrows (here in AZ) for almost 4 months in this state and my family was told I would never be anything except a "vegetable".... would never talk, walk, be aware of what was around me and that I would require constant care. Cigna, our insurance, advised my family and the hospital that since there was no hope of recovery they were no longer going to provide coverage for me to remain at Barrows and it was suggested that I be placed in AZ State Hospital and the odds where less than 3% that I would live/survive more than a year. July 6, 2002 I had the experience 99%+ will only have one time and I was declared. I was told later that it was 21 minutes and that they had gvien up and decided nothing else could be done... in other words "History". After 21 minutes they said my heart started on up on its own and that I began breathing again. I have been told that it was appx 3 hours later that I opened my eyes and tried to ask "where am I". I vaguely remember it.... had tubes all over, some machine pushing air into my lungs etc. My wife said "needless to say the doctors were shocked and they cannot expalain it". My family was told that even though for the first time in 4 months I was awake/alert that I would never talk in complete sentences again, would never walk etc..... On July 17th, 2002 they had a big party for me and let me go home. I walked out to the car with my wife and she drove us home. Since then I have seen numerous neurologists and all have been let's say stunned when they look at my MRI and CT scans as well as EEGs and other tests. More than once I have been asked if I would consider undergo different types of exams/tests. According to the doctors, the tests and med records almost all of the front half of my brain was destroyed. I have no activity in parietal, temporal or frontal lobes (both sides) and they cannot explain it. I just smile when they say these things because I still remember the light, seeing my grandmother who passed away in 1978, her telling me "not yet, too soon, Penny (my wife) needs you". I also remember as if it was just a few minutes ago hearing "GO BACK, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE YET. I HAVE THINGS FOR YOU TO DO, GO BACK". I have been asked many times to speak at different churches and to different Christian groups and it has been suggested that I should write a book about my experiences - there have been many more than just what I talk about here. some people ask me if I am a believer.... I just smile and say NO... I AM KNOWER - I HAVE NO DOUBT".
I disagree with Hitchens characterization of himself as an atheist. On the contrary, his writings prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his god is the government. Christians have stoutly opposed women's sovereignty over their own bodies, tyrannising public policy on abortion, as the atheists would see it. I also disagree with this "atheists believe this" and "atheists believe that" BS. Like Christians themselves, atheist beliefs are all over the board. For instance, I am against abortion, yet I am an atheist, or at least highly agnostic. I am against abortion because I believe that "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" applies to the unborn as much as it does the born. I believe that "pro-choice" is a euphemism for "irresponsibility." The choice was made when the legs were spread. Living with the consequences of that choice is called responsibility. A woman should have no more right to murder an unborn baby than I do to murder a liberal.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
An interesting experience, a worthy story, and a lesson all in one. I think this type of experience should settle one thing, but the scoffers will still scoff, that you are not your body you are your spirit, and you reside within a body, but that body is not you the person. That also was the message of the resurrection. You are your spirit and you do not HAVE a soul, you ARE your soul. You are a spiritual being in a material world, as are we all. The scoffers may well scoff but that does not change the reality. I am also reminded of a young englishman, a Cambridge Graduate in Mathematics (and still living so far as I know), who drove the establishment Brainologists to distraction because he had no brain. Literally he was born without a brain and which was proved by x-rays. Yet there he was, as happy as any other person with a brain and significantly brighter than most, and yet he had no brain. The best the "you are your body and your brain" crowd could come up with is that "it's all being done in his brain stem". Uh huh. Sure.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Excuse me? Babies are innocents and are presumed to be without guilt.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales. My philosophy is that of Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Quod erat demonstrandum. Let me add to that, that if he does exist, he's a monstrous great bastard and I want nothing to do with him.
Babies are innocents and are presumed to be without guilt. I have to say that your point is well taken.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
Is that from the Avatar movie?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" My philosophy is that of Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Quod erat demonstrandum. And with any such logically fallacious argument of this category presenting another alternative invalidates the argument to whit: God specifically does not intervene because we were granted free will and self determinism. It is our responsibility to rise above the evil and to create a civilization worthy of the name. To demand of God that he solve our problems for us is abdicate responsibility for our actions. That is why I am so derisive of the rupture nuts as theirs is simply another excuse for avoiding responsibility. Q.E.D.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Most humans from back in antiquity until now, prefer to believe in or desire there be a divine being. The degree of their belief is the dividing point, from atheism to extremism. Religion and science agree on one point of their arguments, that is, very basic religion God always was, the scientist says matter always was, and from there they diverge.
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"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
The extremes on any subject are often times equally wrong. From rejection to ecstasy is one point on the same circle.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Whoever that is is going just a wee bit heavy on that black gunk on her eyes. Speaking of eyes, what's up with those rectangular pupils? That's weird.
Once had two friends, one a scientist, the other a PHD in theology. One knew there was no such thing as a God, the other knew full well there was. The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.
It really isn't so much about "Christians" or the false prophets that is imbued in contemporary ministries. Nope. Nothing to do with any of that. It is about the people that believe in false prophets; similar to the political charlatans that believe in "Democrats" or "Republicans."
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
That's an awesome story...thank you for sharing.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Atheism was probably the biggest mistake I made in my younger years (college and about 5-6 years afterwards). It made one family relationship much more stressful than it ever should have been and it was my own sense of infallible knowledge that was at fault. Now I am agnostic but I respect Christianity.
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
Hedging your bets is never a bad idea.
I believe that loving God with one's being and treating my neighbor as I desire to be treated are the two supreme laws.
Perfect point - those are the only two laws that Christ added to the Ten Commandments. If followed, there would be no need for any other of our rules, laws, or regulations.
Amen, brother. It's simple common sense, eh?
As stupid as we became after eating from the tree of knowledge, He had to make it pretty simple for us. And even today, we still don't get it.
Thanks. There is much more but it would take numerous posts. One of these days I am going to write the whole thing down and save it so I can just post it. One of the things I believe HE has for me to do is share my testimony. There have been a few odd things.... like I can no longer smell or taste food because the olfactory (sp) nerves were all severed. The one thing that probably bothers me more than anything is the doctors explained that the damage destroyed the function of the amygdala, hypothalamus and all the parts of the frontal lobes that control emotions. It has gotten better over the years but I still have problems with anger and depression. The anger will quickly come in less than a few seconds and sometimes I become outraged and quite vocal (as one of my bosses learned a few years ago as well as a few of those on the Organizing For America-Obama site LOL) but fortunately it usually subsides within a minute or so. The saddness and depression often last much longer. But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive. Take care.
If you follow those two it is not possible to break any of the 10 Commandments.
Yes, I follow Christ the best I can. As Lod pointed out, the two great commandments are what anyone really needs to focus on. Everything else takes care of itself after that. The rest is bait and I'll bite. Is really one question, and a loaded one at that. Until the invention of the printing press, it was rare for the common person to possess a copy of Scripture. I doubt most local parishes would have had complete copies either. An awful lot of people got "saved" during those days did they not? Amazing how many people were churched up without a pocket Bible being toted around for many, many centuries. Hit any Catholic or Orthodox forum and you'll find healthy debates to whether or not the Canon of Scripture has ever been fully closed. Then there is the whole separate issue regarding the deuterocanonicals. Holy Scripture makes it clear "Scripture Alone" does not contain the whole of divine revelation, BUT, it IS the supreme expression of God's revelation to the human race. St Paul states in his letters to remember the traditions handed down/taught by word of mouth or by letter by the Apostles themselves. St Paul mentions the two Egyptian magicians by name who stood against Moses, but their names are not recorded in the Old Testament. St Luke in the Book of Acts records St Paul quoting Christ saying it is better to give than receive. Good luck finding that one in the Gospels. As for contradictions or flaws, that makes for an interesting Google search. St Mark and St John record two different times for the crucifixion. Of course none of this begins to touch the many Bibles out there today with the vast array of translations and all the flaws therein. Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand? Do you really want to turn God into a sadistic, evil, wrathful, vengeful deity who looks forward to punishing His creation just because He can? So said South American tribesman comes to God and says I've never heard of your or Christ. I never had the opportunity. God says off to Hell with you, you sorry slothful person! (I) said Christ is the only way to heaven and you never got that message from Me. No exceptions. Well, it sure sucks to be you today. Hell awaits, off you go! Really? Really? I tried defending that position at one time and it fails miserably on it's face as the atheists are dead on in this regard.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
Actually there is somewhere in scripture that mentions that those who have not received the word and do the things in the word naturally would be saved. That is a paraphrase.
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hey stone do Jews believe in Christ?
Hey tolate is the Bible true?
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never mind
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I have the same attitude toward my accident and also agree with the rest of your statement here. I have to say it made me LESS fundamentalist, though. I had been attending a Southern Baptist church for a long time prior to that, but the experiences I had when I left my body were all about entering a realm of pure love which really cannot be described by the earthly religion I had been caught up in. I also thank you for sharing that amazing story of what happened to you. I suffered no permanent damage from what happened to me and I only lost consciousness for a brief period of time. In fact, the guy who had heard the thud and came out of his house to see what had happened out in the street (he was watching a pro football game at the time; it was a Sunday afternoon) said he had to keep me from trying to get up out of the ditch I'd landed in. That's what my body reflexively wanted to do. I have no memory of that and wouldn't have been able to get far with a pelvis broken in three places anyhow. Then the collapsed lung began to affect the oxygen level in my brain and that's when I probably lost consciousness for a while.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
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Right on ... it's hypocrites that have so dulled the two-edged sword.
Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.
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Just ask because it doesn't sound like it. Which version is the perfect one? That is what I asked, because I am somewhat familiar with the translation history of the Bible. So, since you are evidently so familiar with this, since you question my familiarity with it, I'll ask you which one is the perfect "inerrant" version? Now I fully expect you to ignore that question by trying to distract by asking about the "Magna Carta for example? Do you believe that they mean what they say? If so, then why, in contrast? What about "ancient Egyptian writings?" Same questions. "... You won't answer because you can't. That's the real reason why. Because your answer will lead to more questions that you will find somewhat uncomfortable to contemplate and will tend to piss you off. Here it is again: which version is the perfect "inerrant" version?
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
I'll take your answer to have been no then. And quit getting so emotional. It's unbecoming. It's a very simple question. Which version of the Bible is the perfect inerrant version? It only takes a one line response. No need to "sum up years of personal study in a single post on a thread for you." What a wonderful distraction that was. Very creative. But not unexpected. See? I told you that you would not answer it. Perhaps you'll reconsider??? For the benefit of the others here? Do it for them, not for me.
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No I will not allow that. On the OP I responded to, and I quote: That his word is perfect and without flaws. So, I then asked which version was the perfect version. Then, you responded to me, in a way that made no sense but was an attempt to distract. Anyone can read it to see if I am lying here. It's all out in the open. Then, when I asked again, you attempted to distract some more. So, you named 2. Pick one. Which one is perfect? They aren't the same. Even the almighty KJV, the one most say is the perfect one, has undergone many revisions in both the books included and in the translations made. You say "predetermined that God is not omniscient nor omnipotent". I said no such thing. I never even hinted at it. More distractions. I find this to be typical. It is why I knew that you would not answer the question. Christians make these silly assertions, but when called on it, never respond. They just try and change the topic.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or We know that you disbelieve in the Living God and that will rarely if ever (never say never) provide much specific objective or otherwise hard data spawned by your personal knowledge or study of the Bible. So how is it that you're an expert on it/them? Well well well. What have we here? BTW, your position has been made more than clear over the years. Really? I didn't know I have been on this board for that long. How time flies! We know that you disbelieve in the Living God "We"? and that will rarely if ever (never say never) provide much specific objective or otherwise hard data spawned by your personal knowledge or study of the Bible. Answer my question and I will be happy to. I just need to know what the perfect version is. So how is it that you're an expert on it/them? I never said or hinted that I was an expert. Since when does it take an expert? You continue to distract.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or As well one is usually confronted with the "If'n you don't believe exactly as I do the you's a heathen" argument. Another one of those interminably boring, close minded, and aggravating lines of discussion. Makes the Truth harder to be known too. Because you'll get people like that on every side of a theological debate; the result is one comes away more confused. I'm only certain right now that my own Catholic faith is somewhat off Track...
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." I would think that frequently describes the "rank and file" of most religions. People often take up a religion for no reason other than that they were raised in it by their parents etc., ... Given that Christianity, per Ian Punnit's comment on his radio program, has thirty some odd thousand different Christian Sects each with their own interpretation it is not surprising to me that people get confused about what exactly Christian beliefs are. There are some, the Hageeistians come to mind, who even deny the divinity of Christ. If one studies a bit of history and what early Christians believed then what it has become the two are related but not that closely. The Nestorian Church is probably the closest to the original Christianity. Since the Council of Nicea in 325 we've had interpretations, reinterpretations, modifications, and and entire litany of differing personal beliefs hung on to the Christ Mass Tree (a tradition founded upon the Roman Church's attempts to convert the Pagans who celebrated the Winter Solstice). I think Josh Billings aptly summed that up: (from memory so may not be exact): What I do know with certainty, and I will go no further, is: There is a God. Christ once walked the earth delivering a message of love and eternal life. If one leads one's life with consideration of others, and acknowledges the Father to his realm and place then the rest is dogma and details, and frequently mis-interpreted dogma and details.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The first step to finding the truth is to be aware that it exists. Of course then you have to look for it. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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I believe Fr. Malachi Martin came to the same conclusion and thus his book: "Windwept House".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, "we are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? Jeremiah 23: 26-27 How long shall this be in teh heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? Yea, they are prophets of deceit in their own heart. Luke 24:25 Then he (Jesus) said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart, to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a think, I the Lord have deceived the prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. Scirpture is clear that man is far from infallible in translation. Moreover, the Bible is rife with contradictions. Because a story is told by man, the telling has discrepencies from one to the next. This is obvious in the telling of the story of Jesus, for example. Such as the telling of the Trinity, the bible actually confuses teh Godhead multiple times: John 1:1 Jesus and God are one. John 1:14 Jesus is God incarnate. Mark 1: 1 Jesus is the Son of God. Acts 2:22 Jesus was a man approved by God. John 10:30 Jesus and the Father are one. John 14:28 The Father is greater than Jesus. John 3:17 Jesus does NOT judge or condemn. John 5: 27,30, Acts 10:42, Cirubtguabs 5:10, God the Father has passed it to Jesus to judge. John 8:15 Jesus does not judge mankind but God the Father does. John 9:39 Jesus came into the world to judge. John 12:47 Jesus did not judge mankind but God the Father does. John 5:22 God does NOT judge. Romans 2:2-5, Peter 1:17, Revelation 20: 12-13 God does judge. Jude 1:14-15, God judes with ten thousand of his saints. John 5:24 Believers DO NOT come into judgment. Mathew 12:36-37, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Hebrews 9:27, 2 Timithy 4:1, All persons (believers and non-believers) come into judgement. John 5:31 Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, ,his testimony is not true. John 8:14 Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. John 6:44 No one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father. John 10: 27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost. 1 Timothy 4:1 Some of them will be lost. Apparently, there was NO harmony among Biblical writers. From this selection of scriputures, one cannot discern if there is or is not a Trinity. One must cherry pick to take a stance. And this is just ONE example........I can provide hundreds more where one writer contradicts another. It's not even the differnces in the texts that cannot be reconciled but the text ITSELF when comparing one writer to the next.
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So there is no perfect version? Final answer? You admit it? See how silly that is? There is no magically preserved perfect translation. They all have errors, which always lead to contradictions and inconsistencies. But you can understand the errors. Start with the American Standard Version of 1901. Then defer to the New American Standard Version or the King James. Then do what I do and cross reference those with the Greek/Hebrew parallel text, also readily available. Why should anyone start with the ASV of 1901 and then defer to the ASV or KJV? Is there something special about them? As to a "perfect" version, depends upon how one defines "perfect." As to being able to glean all that you need to know without conflict from other versions, follow that advice and you'll be fine. I define it as being without error. So you then recommend consulting other less than perfect translations in order to get a perfect translation? That might work in certain areas to help make something more clear, but other areas are totally incompatible. So, lets get down to brass tacks here. Where does that word "hell" come from? Let's just start with that word, and not the doctrine behind it. We can get into that later if you want. Consult your books and tell me. Tell me how it is translated from words that mean grave, pit, gehenna (a valley in Jerusalem where trash was burned, not people), etc. It is inconsistent, and in this one little area, entire denominations build their doctrines on this one error. Tell me also how that word ended up in the OT. Same with "Lucifer". That is a latin word that people think means Satan. It's the king of Babylon. Read it. That is just a start. Then we can get into the "for ever" nonsense in both the OT and NT.
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Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. I believe that Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be and that he is "the way, the truth and the life."
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I don't believe anyone is held accountable for more light than they have been shown. "...for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation." (Romans 4:15) ". . . for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law." (Romans 5:13) This is not any sort of ecumenical theology or "all ways lead to God." Those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and have refused to believe have rejected Him, and, as such, will fall under the condemnation of God, because they have rejected His provision for our disobedience. The atheist and the skeptic are still 'without excuse' (Romans 1:18:20) but that isn't the same thing as the condemnation of those who, by time and circumstance, have never heard of either the Law or the Gospel, but conduct themselves according to the unwritten law in their heart. Those who perpetrate evil, even without the knowledge of the gospel, will likewise be condemned, since they have violated their God-given conscience. But what happens to those who never called upon the Name of Jesus because they never heard the Name of Jesus? God will judge them in righteousness, according to His own Word. They aren't the ones the skeptic needs to worry about.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The above is trivial. I would have hoped that you would have come with far more difficult supposed "contradictions." You, and PSUSA, among many others, will never understand the context and perspective until you seek from a truly seeking heart In fact, I detect that you are being purely argumentative, and frankly, floating child's play arguments if you ask me and that have been addressed infinite times by others in the past ranging from the distant past to the modern past. I know, but not based on some notion that the Bible is an infallible text. As I stated before, I have HUNDREDS of Biblical contradictions up for discussion. The Trinity was posed because there is a divide within Christians regarding this matter, which I view as an obvious divide based upon contradictory texts posed by Biblical writers. If they are all receiving the Holy word of God, then why the contradiction, Eric? This is merely a way to avoid addressing the contradictions presented as you degrade the messenger and the scriptures presented by claiming that both are beneath your superior perceptions. So, you are posing that your selection of texts is more clear and precise than the scriptures I offered for debate. Is this based solely on your choice? After you cherry pick are the other scriptures some how less relevant to the discussion? Have you considered that PSUSA and I come to our understanding FROM THE HEART and not from Biblical text that is witten by humans and contradictory? You sure like to pass judgment on others, Eric. Do you know my heart? Do you know PSUSA's heart? No, you don't, and, in truth, the hearts of others are not for you to judge. The scriptures are clear on that issue. As far as I'm concerned, a good Christian could discard all of the Bible save the Sermon on the Mount and have all the text necessary to be the kind of Christian Jesus came to show them was possible. However, most Christians discard the Sermon on the Mount, as this is a difficult path to embark upon, opting instead to banter about the rest of the contradictory text to justify their own perceptions. Your detections are based on your perceptions, and both are wrong. So, according to you, the Trinity is child's play. You should send a memo to theologians who spend their lives disecting this matter. Merely the fact that the debate continues demonstrates validity in the argument. Next, we can discuss the various ways in which writers of the Bible tell the masses that they can be saved. Unless you deem this matter also as child's play and beneath your self righteous indignation to address. Many contradictions on that issue, much debate in the distant and modern past right up to this current moment. Getting saved may just be child's play from your persepective, if so, just let me know.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Tammy Faye Baker Messner died in 2007.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm an athiest, but I intensely dislike territorial athiests, and the orthodox athiests are just the worst. Jesus was an enlightened man, he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. lol.....thank for the laugh Dak.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Go get'em!
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In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Of course then you have to look for it. ;-) Arr! Gotta find the buried treasure! ;)
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." I hate you both and I wish you had cancer!
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Ah... ok... the "buried treasure" comment of mine jogged your memory of a Terence and Philip sketch. lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." You tell me? I'm not a member of one of the 38000 plus denominations. Why don't you make good use of your time and write to every denomination and tell them they are hell bound heretics for not believing as you do. Blow it our your ass. You've already proven yourself to be a liar by trying to make it look like I was for the government regulation of the right to die and then running off like a little bitch when I proved you were a liar.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The answer is Christian philosophy. There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today. If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words). No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created.
The answer is Christian philosophy. There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today. If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness). There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words). No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created. So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true. I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world. At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil. My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell, whether it be because they interpret a biblical passage differently or because of another person's sin (while conveniently forgetting about that plank in their own eye). I read it every day from so-called Christians. Everyone's going to hell but them. One only has to read the post by Eric to me to see an example. What his post is saying is that there can't be more than one interpretation. HE has the only truth. Everyone else is a heretic or "false Christian." Scree that. They can have it. Let them damn each other all day long and I'll laugh at them like the dumb asses they are. As for "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness," there are arguments on whether it was based on the writing's of John Locke or Blackstone's Commentaries. Since John Locke didn't believe in either the trinity or original sin I have no doubt the the religious know-it-all's on this board will damn him and claim he wasn't a Christian, even though, from my readings, he considered himself one. One again, that pesky interpretation problem that supposedly doesn't exist has raised its ugly head.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor
Have a good evening.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That goes back a long time. The clergy class used that to keep people in line. Now everyone is a clergyman, sentencing everyone that doesnt toe the company line to this "hell". These "teachers" don't know what they are talking about, but they sure do sound like they know what they are talking about. They are soooooo positive about these things. When I see them on the boob tube or hear them on the radio, they shout, extremely loudly, as if this yelling will convince someone they are telling the truth. You don't need to yell if you are telling the truth about anything. Show them the errors and they get extremely angry. They never respond to it when these errors are shown, with the exception of a tiny minority. They just throw temper tantrums. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Better interpretations wouldn't help. You can show them these errors and they ignore them. Fix those errors and they would accuse you of promoting a satanic deception. When I was first shown these things, I was happy. It finally made sense when it made no sense before. But to the vast majority: they hate it. The apostle Paul wrote about this corruption, it's in the gospels, Peter wrote about it. It didn't take long for corruption to set in. It went on in their times. It just keeps getting worse.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true. I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world. "Writings" imply words, and an intellectual endeavor. We humans have two different driving forces within us. The first is biological and the second is intellectual. Our biological imperatives lead us into being tribal and territorial. We are emotionally suited to a top down pecking order system of organization within the our tribe and family. On the other hand "the words of Christianity" lead us to a different system of organization, a horizontal person to person system of intellectual organization. (i.e., "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"). Jesus was an intellectual. And it is more than fair to label Jesus as a philosopher. Words are the most important and potent tool of mankind. True intellectuals give credit to those who change the direction of humanity with their words. We all must call ourselves Newtonians and Darwinians. Newton's and Darwin's words changed the direction of humanity. So too did Jesus' philosophical words. Shouldn't we all, who live in the West, call ourselves philosophical Christians. Wouldn't that be intellectually honest. At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil. These people who do harm to others are not philosophical Christians. There is a difference between religious Christians and philosophical Christians. A religious Christian has a top down relationship with god, a philosophical Christian has a horizontal relationship with his fellow humans. Some Christians are both, many are not. There are good religious Christians and there are bad religious Christians - but there are no bad philosophical Christians with destructive intentions. Also one can be a philosophical Christian without being a religious Christian. Those religious Christians that do harm to others, have not given up their biological driven selves - they remain trapped in their tribal and top down biological human nature. They are top down with both god and their neighbors. Jesus said "live by the sword, die by the sword" - history is replete with Christians who ignore those philosophical words. It is not easy, giving up our top down pecking order natural self. We have to work at being "a philosophical Christian." Again Christianity is an intellectual horizontal way of life for humanity, where we us our brains to direct our actions - not our gonads. Intellectual Philosophical Christianity, in name, should be celebrated - not denied.
Wasn't that a crazy story. Makes me sad I swapped it out at last minute for whole Melvins attache first minute posters check, vest, hat, and drumstick parts. Stay away from LSD young man, right?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Exceedingly wise counsel I think.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Best I can do under the circumstances...
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.
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Eric judged you correctly. We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.
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You don't believe in God. That is your right to be a fool. Also, If someone believes in God and you don't. That would make them holier then you.
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How about some examples.
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AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.
Is there a full moon rising or something? I noticed today that Clean is back and Stoner is intent on making a fool of himself yet again. Scary times we live in when we get the double whammy of Stoner and Clean posting on the same night.
How about some examples. Sorry - I do not do the Bible - I do Jesus. He said the "truth will set you free." Except for the practical words of Jesus - what truth in the Bible.
Roman Catholic Christian.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Here is a little something I found. Perhaps you will take a minute and read it. Perhaps not. It highlights the differences I have with them, and you. Do they believe the fire in I Cor.3:15 burns mans’ works, but not the man himself? Yes. But do they teach that this same fire in Rev.20:15 also burns works, not the man? No. Do they believe that God is the Creator of ALL? Yes. But do they teach that God created EVIL as He says in (Isa. 45:7)? No. (a) Do they teach that God knows evil (Genesis 3:22 KJV)? No. (added by PSUSA) Do they believe that God is absolutely and totally sovereign (Eph. 1:11)? Yes. But do they teach that God exercises sovereignty over man’s supposed "free" will? No. Do they believe that Jesus Christ IS the Saviour of the whole world (I Jn 4:14)? Yes. But do they teach that Jesus Christ will SAVE the whole world? No. Do they believe that presently Christ only has immortality (I Tim. 6:16)? Yes. But do they teach the truth therefore that men’s souls are mortal and not immortal? No. Do they believe that the original manuscripts of God’s Word were inerrant? Yes. But do they teach us that the King James translation, which they say is "inerrant" has gone through THOUSANDS of error corrections since 1611? No. Do they believe that the soul that sins shall DIE (Ezek. 18:4)? Yes. But do they teach that souls of deceased sinners are actually DEAD? No. Do they believe there are many cults today that need exposing? Yes. But do they teach that Christendom, by its OWN definitions, is also a cult? No. Do they believe that Sodom is "suffering the vengeance of eternal [aeonian] fire? Yes. But do they teach that Sodom will be restored to their former estate (Ezek. 16:55)? No. Do they believe in a future resurrection of dead people back to life (John 5:29)? Yes. But do they teach that a resurrection is imperative for dead people to live again? No. Do they believe the first half of I Cor. 15:22 that "For as in Adam ALL die?" Yes. But do they teach the last half, "even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive?" No. Do they believe that "...the end of the world [Gk: aion -- age]" ends in Mat. 24:3? Yes. But do they teach that this same "aion -- age" in Matt. 25:41 & 46 will also end. No. Do they believe that Jn 3:13 & Acts 2:34 are truthful Scripture (II Tim. 3:16)? Yes. But do they teach this truth that "NO man," including David, has gone to heaven? No. Do they believe ALL God purposed, spoke, and willed (Isa. 46:10-11), He will do? Yes. But do they teach that God’s "will" to save all, I Tim. 2:4, etc., will be done? No. Do they believe that Satan lied when he told Eve, "thou shalt not surely die?" Yes. But do they teach the truth that sinners really do DIE at death as God has stated? No. Do they believe that the Apocryphal books do not belong in the Bible? Yes. But do they teach us that the 1611 so-called "inerrant" King James Bible contained fourteen such books, including "Tobit," "Judith," "The idol Bel and the Dragon"? No. Do they believe that Christ is totally responsibility for our salvation? Yes. But do they teach that "no man can" come to Christ of himself (John 6:44)? No. Do they believe that Satan is the greatest sinner of all? Yes. But do they teach Jn. 8:44 which states that Satan "sinned from the beginning?" No. Do they believe Christ really died for the sins of the world? Yes. But do they teach that Jesus Christ was dead when they placed Him in the tomb? No. Do they believe the many Scriptures that liken death to "sleep?" Yes. But do they teach that dead people are unconscious, "sleeping" till resurrection? No. Do they believe that the last enemy to be destroyed [Gk: abolished] is death? Yes. But do they teach that ALL death, including the second death, will be abolished? No. Do they believe that all things are possible with God (Mark 10:27)? Yes. But do they teach that it is possible for God to save nonbelievers after they die? No. Do they believe that every tongue in heaven and earth will confess Jesus as LORD? Yes. But do they teach that the Holy Spirit inspires this sincere voluntary act (I Cor. 12:3)? No. Do they believe that good and evil are both in the same tree of knowledge? Yes But do they teach that good and evil both come from the same root source? No. Do they believe that God absolutely "knows all" (I John 3:20)? Yes. But do they teach that God knows in advance ALL who will reject Christ? No. Do they believe that God’s love will never fail (I Cor. 13:Cool? Yes. But do they teach that God’s love will never fail in saving the world He loves? No. Do they believe the apostles spoke in foreign languages in Acts 2:4-11? Yes. But do they teach that of the hundreds of thousands who claim to speak in tongues today, not one of them can speak in multiple languages which they did not already study? No. Do they believe that the masses did not understand Christ’s parables (Mat. 13:13)? Yes. But do they teach that Christ purposely didn’t want them to understand, (Vs. 14-17)? No. Do they believe the Old Covenant contained the Ten Commandments (Deut.4:12)? Yes. But do they teach a New Covenant which contains a much higher law (Heb. 8:8-9)? No. Do they believe that God created all the spirits and messengers of heaven? Yes. But do they teach that God also created Satan who was always His adversary? No. Do they believe that loving our enemies means doing good and not evil to them? Yes. But do they teach that God will never subject His enemies to eternal torture and evil? No.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or lol.....let's check on the scriptures. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: WHO ART THOU THAT JUDGEST ANOTHER? James, iv, 12. Let us not therefore judge one another any more. Romans, xiv, 13. Wherin thou judgest another, THOU CONDEMNEST THYSELF. Romans, ii, 1. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned......For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke, vi, 37-38. Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shaall be judged: and with waht measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew, vii, 1-2. God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. Psalms, lxxv,7. Who made thee ruler and judge over us? Acts, vii 27, 35. He maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. (speaking of fools.....)Isaiah, xl, 23. So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?
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I am not all knowing. But thanks for the vote of confidence. What fault do you find with the King James version? Can you name any?
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He also said he didn't come to destroy the law. The law is in the old testament. If you are afraid to answer my previous question. That is ok.
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The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge. The verses that you quoted are simply saying not to be a hypocrite in your judgements. No contradiction. Hopefully you can learn from that and study it further.
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what do you know about King James? who did he commission to translate the various books of the bible. were there any left out? were there any politics involved in the decision of what was to be included? he sounds like he was a rather savory character to me. ++++++++ With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. His name has become synonymous with the famous printing of the Bible that bears his name, the “King James Bible” of 1611 AD. He was one of the most intelligent Kings to reign over England, but his personal life made him the most controversial since his relative, King Henry VIII. James VI of Scotland and James I of England James VI of Scotland (June 19, 1566 - March 27, 1625, reigned July 24, 1567 - March 27, 1625) became James I of England and Ireland (reigned March 24, 1603- March 27, 1625) and was the first king of both England and Scotland. He also held the title of King of France, as had all his predecessors in the English throne since October 21, 1422, although by his time the title didn't come with an active claim of this throne. James succeeded Elizabeth I as the closest living relative of the unmarried childless English monarch, through his descent from one of Henry VIII's sisters. King James Crowned at the Age of One Prince James became King of Scotland on July 24, 1567, at the age of 13 months, after his mother Mary, Queen of Scots was forced to abdicate. Mary fled to England, where she was imprisoned for the next 19 years. His father, Lord Darnley, had died in mysterious circumstances shortly after James was born. James was formally crowned at the Church of the Holy Rood, Stirling on July 29, 1567. In accordance to the religious atmosphere of the time, he was brought up as a Scottish Presbyterian, though his mother had been a Roman Catholic. King James – from Scotland to England James inherited the throne of England after the death of his mother's cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. James was never a very popular monarch among the people of England. He laid much of the groundwork that would eventually lead to the beheading of his heir Charles I during the English Civil War, but because of his political skills, his rule was relatively stable. James married Anne of Denmark by proxy on August 20, 1589, and in person on November 23, 1589 and again in person in January 21, 1590. They had eight children, of whom only three lived beyond infancy: Henry, Prince of Wales- (February 19, 1594 - November 6, 1612), Elizabeth Stuart - (August 19, 1596 - February 13, 1662), and King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland - (November 19, 1600 - January 30, 1649). James dissolved the English Parliament on February 8, 1622, following a dispute involving parliamentary criticisms of a marriage proposed by James, of his son Charles to Princess Maria Anna of Spain. King James was quoted as saying, "Monarchy is the greatest thing on earth. Kings are rightly called gods since just like God they have power of life and death over all their subjects in all things. They are accountable to God only ... so it is a crime for anyone to argue about what a king can do." King James is considered to have been one of the most intellectual and learned individuals ever to sit on any English or Scottish throne. He is primarily remembered for authorizing the production of the King James Version of the Bible, the highly popular English translation from Greek and Hebrew, which remains the most printed book in the history of the world, with over one billion copies in print. King James had nothing to do with the translating the Bible, he merely authorized it and provided financing for its production. Beyond that, however, James wrote several books himself. 'Queen James' One area of the life of King James that for many years remained clouded in controversy was allegations that James was homosexual. As James did father several children by Anne of Denmark, it is actually more accurate to say that he was allegedly a bi-sexual. While his close relationships with a number of men were noted, earlier historians questioned their sexual nature, however, few modern historians cast any doubt on the King's bisexuality and the fact that his sexuality and choice of male partners both as King of Scotland then later in London as King of England were the subject of gossip from the city taverns to the Privy Council. His relationship as a teenager with fellow teenager Esmé Stuart, Earl of Lennox was criticized by Scottish Church leaders, who were part of a conspiracy to keep the young King and the young French courtier apart, as the relationship was improper to say the least. Lennox, facing threats of death, was forced to leave Scotland. In the 1580s, King James openly kissed Francis Stewart Hepburn, Earl of Bothwell. Contemporary sources clearly hinted their relationship was a sexual one. When James inherited the English throne from Queen Elizabeth I in 1603, it was openly joked of the new English monarch in London that “Elizabeth was King: now James is Queen!” If there is still any doubt, it should be noted that George Villiers, also held an intimate relationship with King James, about which King James himself was quite open. King James called Villiers his “wife” and called himself Villiers' “husband”! King James died in 1625 of gout and senility. He is buried in the Henry VII chapel in Westminster Abbey, with one of his favorite male suitors on his right, and another on his left.
No, the scriptures I quoted didn't say RIGHTEOUS judgment.......YOU say that. But, the scriptures quoted are quite clear. Besides one would actually have to be RIGHTEOUS to make a righteous judgment and that discounts you AKA, even if your cherry picking application of scripture had any merit.......which it doesn't. You merely prove my point about the contraditions. The scripture is clear, yet you deny the Biblical word so that you can opt for other scriptures that better fit your small perception and belief system. Some Christian....you discount the scipture when it doesn't fit your self- righteous and arrogant belief that YOU should be the judge and not the Lord.
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He also said he didn't come to destroy the law. The law is in the old testament. In order to change something - you need not destroy what exists - what you do is start something better - and the old withers away. That is what Christianity did to the evil ways of the Old Testament. The New Testament is NEW - it supplemented the old! The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different. So is the Christian attitude to tribalism.
Boy your stupid. Anyone who says that isn't worth wasting my time on. Depart from me into....
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No fool you didn't. Because you were ignorant or you wished to decieve. Here you go. No contradiction little mind squanderer of your measure of faith. Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1). Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).
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The only thing that would have been left out is what God would have wanted left out. He was in charge. Again what fault do you find in the King James version? All that history you cut and pasted is irrelevant. It seems that you don't believe in God having a perfect word. You would have us all guessing as to what the truth is. That would have been a cruel little g god. But he is perfect and his word is perfectly preserved in the King James Version. So again please show me some fault in this book if you know of any.
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Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1). Does this mean we are never to judge? Certainly not, for Jesus also said: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). So, are you claiming there is no contradiction between Matthew and John? As I said before, one must actually be righteous to make a righteous judgment and this would discount you. The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James, iii, 18. (that's not you AKA) If righteousness came by law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians, ii, 21, iii, 21. (So, did Christ die in vain, AKA?) Moses describeth righteousness that is of the law. Romans, x, 6. (As you do) Christ is the END of the law of righteousness to everyone who believeth. Romans, x, 3. (Do you believeth?) They BEING IGNORANT of God's righteousness, and going out to establish THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have NOT submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Romans, x, 3. (This scripture is speaking directly to you AKA) AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10. (Hence the provision that you should NOT pass judgment, because YOU are not righteous.) So, is this last scripture a contradiction or untruth, according to you, within the infallible Bible? Is there a loop hole that omits you from understanding that YOU are NOT righteous? One more for you: We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness's are as filthy rags. Isaiah 64, 6.
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The fault is within all translations because a RIGHTEOUS GOD entrusted UNRIGHTEOUS HUMANS to perserve His word. What you get is contradictions which leaves people guessing as to what the truth is. Cruel or not, this is the truth, which is not to blame God or His word but rather the human inability to even tell a story from one person to the next without butchering the details. This has always been true and will continue to be true because each individual has their own tiny world perception, which is insignificant when compared to the perception of God. Your understanding would increase immensely IF you could separate what is God from what is human. I know, this is hard for you because you grant yourself qualities that are the sole right of the Lord and not yours, such as righteousness. So, based on the scriputres presented to Erik, is there a Trinity? Review the scriptures and determine for me WHO judges.......I bet you will find no mention of AKA Stone in the text. Either you believe that God makes contradictions in the Bible or you accept that humans in retelling make contradictions. Theologians far brighter than you have determined the latter to be true throughout history and they don't bother with this silly "perfect" word argument. What you cannot deny is that the contradictions exist, even in the King James Version, unless you are either ignorant or dishonest.
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You're baffling him with the truth. I'm sure he'll ignore it totally. Like he totally ignores the revisions in the KJV but claims its perfection. These kinds of people love to ignore things. They ignore the fact that if the KJV is perfect, then it took his stupid god nearly 1600 years to finally get it right. If you lived prior to that, I guess you were SOL.
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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or lol.... An unreasonable tale will always be in the mouth of the unwise. Ecclesiasticus, xx, 19.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
mei krinete, hina mei kritheite Did the translator leave out hina which can be translated "in order that, so that"? The following passage suggests that this means "judge not in those matter wherein judgment may be meted out to you." 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. These individual lines and phrases can't be read in isolation. Jesus is saying that judges must themselves be clean or be cleansed in order to judge righteously I think.
But Randge, how CAN they judge righteously? AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10 None are clean, none are perfect, none are righteous. Who is fit to judge, other than the Lord, when none are righteous?
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And Randge, what of this scripture? There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who are thou that judgest another? James, iv, 12.
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IMO: We judge all the time. Look at the posts on this board. I'm sure you have issued your own judgments on these topics. I know I have. The thing is, we should judge ourselves and leave others alone, due to the inevitable beams in our own eyes. It seems that we have a tendency to want to "help" God judge others. Matthew 16:19 KJV And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. That required judgment. John 7:24 KJV Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. That is how we do it. When people want to lord it over us, there will be problems. So, don't lord it over others. It's the GOlden Rule in action.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or The thing is, we should judge ourselves and leave others alone, due to the inevitable beams in our own eyes So, don't lord it over others. Always on topics. But, we are talking about making those personal judgments, as have been cast upon you and I from people who do not know and will never know what is in our hearts. I agree completely. I'm not attempting to lord anything over others. I'm attempting to discern who is RIGHTEOUS to pass judgment. I do not believe that I am of such righteousness and I am attempting to discern what basis others feel that they are righteous enough to judge you and I or anybody else for that matter. Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.
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You sometimes feel that way when your posts go unanswered. Myself, I just posted something on a topic that kind of interested me here and then had to run out on some errands. As it happens, you posted some intriguing verses on "judging" and "righteousness." You asked me to pass on them. I can only say that these are things that I don't pretend to understand well. It looks to me like Jesus is telling us that we are not capable of "judging" at all. Yet we judge all the time in this world. Who can walk in those shoes, I wonder. Who can follow in these superhuman footsteps? As in so many other concerns, I know that I'm not able. Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.
Sure. They ignore a lot. It's odd how much they ignore. I dont write anything for the scoffers benefit because I know that they will completely ignore it. Showing them things is a wasted effort. I've learned to respond, but knowing others might read it and discuss it if they think I am right or wrong, and discuss it in an intelligent manner. Sometimes I am wrong. Christians don't do that. THey cover up their ears, like little kids, saying "NA NA NA NA NA NA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!!!!!", attack like punk kids swinging sticks. OTOH some atheists, agnostics, wiccans, satanists and others can discuss things intelligently. I've had some interesting discussions with them. I don't agree with them, but they can carry on a conversaion without the usual christian name calling. They are more honest than christians, generally. Sad to say but it's true. So I know what you are talking about.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or I agree with you. How do we survive when we can not "judge" .. doesn't our personal sense of the best methods to provide for our families to our ensure our own futures? The scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.
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I don't know, buck. If you take the Scriptures as literally written, they were as "out of date" in the days of the Roman Empire as they are today. Although the church and state have always been able to bend the verses to their purposes, they've always been a challenge to prevailing secular modes of operation - if you read them literally.
Yes they do. Sadly people miss it. It is not the letter of the law that matters but the spirit that counts. You have to read between the lines somewhat. When dealing with the Bible they call that dispensation. Liberals use the term "living document" when talking about the Constitution. I believe they are twisting it to their own ends but in a sense they are correct. Take the part about all men being created equal. "All men" meant something different at that time. However, we interpret it using today's definition. So how does that apply to the Bible? Take the commandment "Thou shalt not kill". Do we take that literally to mean anything at anytime? Or do we use it as an interpretive moral compass? Killing in self defense is OK as is the state killing for judicial reasons.
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The Bible was nothing more than a documented "store of knowledge" for a number of Jewish nomadic family tribes prior to BC; reading the Bible upto Anno Domini has little impact two thousand years later. I suppose the New Testament has more meaning in modern life as the various writings depict Jesus actually doing something about the old ways of Jews and Romans of the time. Still, taking collectively, the Bible doesn't tell me how to survive in the world, today. The Bible needs a new messiah breathing life into the message.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Should have included you in my above post.
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Yeah, Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker performed the same. I am tired of charlatans both with religious zeal and/or government fiat. Reading between the lines leads to drinking kool-aid by some far-off self-professed voice of God. Look at how these Washington DC fanatics have destroyed the US Constitution. And look at how today's Christian churches endorse the same.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Agreed. I like the way you put that. BTW, it's murder, not kill, in that commandment. The jews depend on the letter of the law, as well as make up entirely new laws to justify what they want to have justified. They ignore the spirit. Taking the spirit of the law into account is not in their best interests. For proof of that, read the Kol Nidre, that they recite on the day of atonement. That, BTW, is their most important day. www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=340&letter=K "All vows [], obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called '1;onam,' '1;onas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths." You can see at that link how they then try and explain away a sick "prayer" written in plain language. Trust a jew at your peril. Their own words hang them. Which brings up the ultimate oxymoron judeo-christianity since Christianity is supposedly only concerned with the spirit and jews are obsessed with their laws.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or My point was not to better interpret, but simply to show by example that contradictions regarding judgment, righteousness, the Trinity and even what the requirements to be saved are within the Bible. My only explantation is that contradictions abound. As stated before, humans cannot convey a story from one person to the next without butchering the details. My question is how does one determine which verse if more correct than the next or what is the correct response in light of the blatent contradictions within the text? I don't know. I've said many times that the entire Bible could be discounted save the Sermon on the Mount and the people would have more than enough information and criteria to be the kind of Christians that are admired and emmulated. Perhaps that is a judgment, but I look at it as a simple observation. There would be less conflict over details and much contradiction is clarified.
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Me too, Randge. I'd rather be on the side of humility on the issue. I'm sure not superhuman.....I'm not able either. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
This is why we cleave to civil law in our everyday lives and not ecclesiatical canons. If folks try to run their civil law and criminal law based on scripture, they'll soon be at each other's throats. This is the fundamental problem at the heart of the conflict within Islamic Civilization. The first Muslims eradicated most of the other sources of legitmacy within their cultures and replaced it with one scripture. The result has been internecine war from day one and lasting division.
That's not what I meant and you know it. Satan is full of lies and he will whisper in your ear convincing you of things that aren't true. You can not attribute such evils to God.
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I married one.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
We need to be careful of slingin' shit here, no matter how grave and deep our grudges against this or that group.
The Bible states that God is often responsible for lies, murder and deception in the Old Testement. For example: Behold the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these they prophets and the Lord has spoken evil concerning thee. Kings 22:23 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light and create the darkness, I make peace and CREATE EVIL, I the Lord do these things. Isaiah 45: 6-7 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit FROM GOD was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed him. The Spirit of God promotes slaughter. Numbers 31: 17-18, Deuteronomy 20: 16- 17, Joshua 10 40-42, Ezekial 9: 4-8 And the Spirit of the Lord came uon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil. Judges 14:19 The Lord said to Moses, "Take all the leaders of these people, KILL THEM and expose them in broad daylight before the Lord, so that the Lord's fierce anger my turn away from Israel. Numbers 25:4 Now KILL ALL THE BOYS. And KILL EVERY WOMAN WHO HAS SLEPT WITH A MAN, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18 Those last two scriputres contradict 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'....... For it was the Lord TO HARDEN THEIR HEARTS, that they should come against Israel in battle, THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY THEM UTTERLY, and that they might have no favor, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses. Joshue 11:20 And the Lord struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made. Exodus 32:35 And I will bring the sword upon you to avendge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. Leviticus 26:25 Then the plague against the Isralites stopped, those who died in the plague numbered 24,000. Numbers 25:9 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel, and seventy thousand men of Israel fell dead. Chonicles 21"14 I will send a plague upon her and make blood flow in teh streets. The slain will fall within her, with the sword against her on every side. Then they will know that I am the Lord. Ezekiel 28:23 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps. Zechariah 14:15 More plagues to come.....Out of the temple came the seven angesl with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. Revelation 15:6 God inflicts sickness. Numbers 11:33 I should add a caveat.......although the OT stories scriptures states as such, I tend to personally view God as loving and compassionate, despite the OT stories. However, we often blame suffering on Satan. But if you think deeply about it, suffering is initially very painful, but it also is a blessing because suffering tempers the spirit, offering humility and deeper understanding. Could such a profound blessing come from Satan?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If that struck a little too close to home, I'm sorry. Not for expressing my opinion, but for the effect it might have had.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Apology accepted. I don't think Jews are the problem but the pro-Israel at all costs policy is. Much can be said about Israel's behavior as a country. I would hate to have someone judge the members of this board by the policies of our nations.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Very astute, farmfriend. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
While I believe the Bible to be divinely inspired, we must never forget it was written by men. My views on God tend to be a bit different than most. They are often hard to explain. Mostly I don't talk about it though a few have had a small run down.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Thank you.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
To me they are one and the same. I tend to see all organized religions as being a curse, and judaism is no exception. I say the exact same things about protestantism and catholicism. Those that base their identity on any of it AND accept them as leaders I want nothing to do with. IMO all organized religion is corrupt and it has been that way for some time now. There are the "self-hating jews" that are anti-zionists and who actually keep their word. They go against the grain and I respect them for that. Those that were born jews but don't engage in this jew-think are not the problem here. I can't hate them for being born that way anymore than I can brag that I have German and British ancestors, like some do. It's their actions that lead me to hate them. And they won't change because they think they can do no wrong. And I don't limit that to jews. I say the same about christians because they are responsible for a "hell" of a lot of evil too.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Organized religions are not the same thing as individuals. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here? If I say I am American, do you judge me by the actions of my country?
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I never said it was the same thing as individuals. But it is made up of individuals that enable the "leaders" to do what they do. They have willingly attached themselves to these "leaders". I already said that it was their actions that led me to hate them. They either do these actions themselves or they aid and abet them by acting as a willing propaganda arm of whatever idiocy their teachers teach. They can believe whatever they want. But they better stay away from me. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here? It's related. I judge you by what you post, same as you and others judge me. I have no reason to hate you. I believe we are on the same side here. If I did hate you, you'd know it and I'd give the reasons for it. Test me by turning into a blithering idiot neocon or a starry eyed obama socialist and see the reaction you get. If I say I am American, do you judge me by the actions of my country? Only of you support what they are doing. Evidently you don't, from what you post. It's based on actions, not ancestry or country you're born in. I know what you are doing. You are trying to use your own substitutions for "israel" by personalizing it by using both you and the US. "israel" and the jews and christians that support them are not sacred cows. A world without "israel" would be a better world. A world without this organized religion crap would be even better, IMO, because it's a farce at best and a mass murderer at worst.
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"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I don't know why I waste my time on people like you. You know nothings who think they know something. Anyway there are no contradictions. You keep talking about contradictions but you fail to point any out. You speak and say a lot of words but you just spin in the mud.
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But you still sit on your fat ass stuffing your face with donuts and cannot point out any. What a fat ass loser.
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Your such a silly one buck. Thou shall not kill is out of date. So is not lying. So is not stealing. You must love our government they are regularly at odds with the values God gave us in his word the Bible.
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Yummm.... donuts, figures you'd mention hol(e)y food.
So is not lying. So is not stealing. Tell that to that your presidential BS artist, John McCain.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
I hate donuts (sic). I've pointed out PLENTY of contradictions on this thread. Say, are you going to answer the Trinity question or not? Who is supposed to do the judging......I found no reference to AKA Stone in the scriptures. Fat ass loser......lol. Is that the best you can do? Do try to make your silly ASSumptions applicable AKA. Say are lame ASSumptions and insults part of your Christian faith since you are such a stellar example of all that is Christianity? Way to set an example!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Neither do I. Guess you have to find some stranger on the Internet to spew your bovine excrement and I happen to be the unlucky poster at the moment. You are so self righteous that you really should find posters who are more self righteous than 4um posters to waste your time with. Doesn't anybody post on YOUR website? Seems like that site would draw the self righteous and arrogant like flies to crap. Isn't that working out for you? Can't you waste your time over there where the site is filled with "know somethings" like yourself?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You haven't pointed out any. You made some vague references. But go ahead and take your best shot. I don't expect it to be a good shot though.
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Your the fool from Kalifornia that believes in Globull warmin. Just like McCain. You didn't even care enough about our country to vote against Obama. Your boy Obama believes in Globull warmin too. You are two peas in a pod.
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Lots of people do. Take a look. www.libertysflame.com. I don't think you could make the cut there though.
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Mike your not holy because you eat donuts. Even if you put on one of those net shirts you wont be holy. To be holy you have to pray to God and ask for forgiveness and follow him. There is hope for you Mike.
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Gotta hand it to you on this thread. Your words were wise and only a fool would disagree. abraxass and puss usa consider themselves to be God. They look at themselves as God in their own eyes. Take abraxass for example. She is so godly that she supports murdering old people because they are depressed. She has the same disrespect for babies that are about to be born. She thinks that it is hunky dory to kill them too. She is also a pervert that thinks it would be ok for her to marry another woman if she wanted to. Sounds more like a demon then God. Satan did want to be like God. They are very deceived. I pity them. Poor fools.
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Eric. She isn't going to accept the simple truth of Gods word that you have reavealed to her.. Her heart is harder then diamonds. She is a hater of the truth. She wants to keep her murderous attitude and sexual pervertedness. It is everything to her. You are being far to kind to her.
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I guess I am not as nice as you are. :)
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When people like her start calling you a "zionist". Like they do me. Then in other posts saying all the zionists should be dead. Those few people here my gloves are off and brass knuckles are on.
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; ) Yeah, I thought you were someone else at first. I get confused who thinks what sometimes.
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abraxass and puss usa consider themselves to be God. They look at themselves as God in their own eyes. @abraxas Pinged because you're mentioned above. Evidently they don't have the balls to ping people they are writing about... Sorry to interrupt Eric and AKA in your little circle-jerk love in... Its too emotional for me... Being called "wise" by AKA should be downright scary. Be afraid. Be very afraid. They are very deceived. I pity them. Poor fools. Time will tell. But I appreciate what you said. Really, I do. When I see things differently that you do, I know I am on the right track.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or And trusting you enough to click on your preparedness list is donwright dangerous to patriots everywhere isn't it MR. Govt agent.
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You voted for a pissant, John McCain. I never recognized the same.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
Oh hell. My cover is blown. All agents: Commence Operation Falcon!
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or So, why should people accept only one text regarding God and what he wants us to know about Him? The Vedas precede the Bible, yet you discount them. Yet, these texts are living in the sense that the volume of Vedas continues to grow to this day. These texts reveal much about the spirit in relation to time and quantum physics--did God not reveal such awesome information or was it just multiple coincidences? The Dammapada precedes the New Testament and is quite similar to the Sermon on the Mount--God inspired or again a big ol' happenstance? The Mayans are viewed as savages, yet God provided them with a calandar far superior to Western thinkers that is accurate to a third of a second. They also knew of all the outer planets long before Western "discovery" of them. Again, God inspired or simply good luck? Shall you claim to know all the ways in which God reveals himself? Does God not and has He not revealed Himself and what he wants for all humans? Or is this God so cold as to simply banish these souls to hell for lack of knowledge? Could God be capable of revealing Himself in multiple ways, as is evident in the various perspectives of the 12 diciples? Yes, He uses man....but this is an imperfect vessel. Do you not grasp this point? Even in the Bible, God manifests Himself to the people of Israel and even in His presense they cannot abide by what He wants. How much more can you? To attempt to understand the OT, one must also read the Kabballah--have you read that text? You have not rendered my argument moot. Can God be perfect and man imperfect? If so, how can man perfectly scribe what He wants? We haven't even broached what has been lost in translations for the original languages to fit into English. My argument is not that God does not exist, nor that he doesn't want us to know about Him. He surely exists and he surely wants us to know him. My argument is that MAN, being imperfect, is incapable of PERFECT translation and PERFECT telling of events, which naturally leads to confusion and contradiction. My argument is solely based on your contention that the Bible is perfect and infallible when transcribed and translated by imperfect humans.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
lol.......now you're a prophet too, eh? Back to you ASSupumptions so early in the morning. Please post where I've said all Zionists should be dead after you find your brass knuckles of course. Hmmmmmm.....brass knuckles must be what Jesus preached about, right? Keep throwing those planks, AKA.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Gee, I don't recall ever calling anybody on the 4um that.....maybe you are referring to people like somebody else. You can't even make an applicable analogy.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Substantiate your bovine excrement, AKA. Wow....setting that Christian example so early in the morning by gossiping and telling lies about other poster. You must be so proud. Yes, Jesus would surely banish Eric to hell for being kind to me or any other poster whom YOU find disagreement with. Heart harder than diamonds....lol.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If YOUR site is so great......why aren't you posting there? It is completely disrespectful to Christine for you to waltz over here and continuously advertise for your lame site that can't get any traffic.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Sheesh Eric, you are sitting here gossiping and talking crap about other posters like a middle school girl and yet you think your silly sexist argument has merit......comical. I'm offering very rational and pragmatic, not in the least bit emotional, discourse on various theological issue relating to the Bible. In fact, I have carefully presented information to you WITHOUT stating my beliefs at all. You can't get much more removed from emotion that to discount your own feelings-- maybe you should try to do the same. Look, carry on with your gossip and your judgment and your silly explanations. Honestly, I thought you had more integrity, but I guess I overstated your virtues.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Eric, I didn't ask you to trust my heart. I asked you to refrein from judgment of the hearts of others......I didn't even mention trusting my own heart for crying out loud. Are your emotions clouding your judgment Eric? Look, you ignore my valid posts regarding the Trinity. I'm happy to engage in quit pro quo-----but you haven't held up your end of the bargain. When you do, I will address the scriptures presented in this post. Of course, I'll understand if you are too busy comparing and contrasting your judgment of me with AKA Stone.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
No, there is contradictory criteria regarding getting saved--endure to the end, batism, belief to name thee, born of water and spirit, call upon the name of the Lord, confess that "Jesus is Lord," and Acts states that "Those God calls to himself will be saved." I'm merely asking you which verses are correct and which are not, Eric. Unlike you, I'm not claiming to have the answers. I'm asking the questions.....of course you respond with "lack of knowledge" diversions. I don't think Jesus would respond that way, do you? Gee, Eric, if there was agreement and no contradiction.....wouldn't we have one UNITED Christian family rather than thousands of sects?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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Actually, I did want to know your thoughts on the matter......but I'm not suprised you opt for diversion in lieu of discourse. That's been your MO all along this thread. I'm sure you can use your precious time to carry on with discussing my short comings with Stone since that is so very productive. Seems to me if you had firm answers, then you would simply offer them when asked. But, it's moot to share your knowlege. Wouldn't want you to waste your time with any testimony to your faith or you knowledge. Especially, when you can use your time to discuss my foolishness with Stone. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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I'm not gonna address your laundry list of non-independently arrived at cliched mud slopped up on the wall. I presented discussion on the Trinity, which I felt was a serious issue since it still divides many within the Christian faith. You deemed this issue cliched and beneath you to address. We need not look to scripture to desipher judgment either, that too, according to you is mud slop on the wall. The entire scripture list deals with this topic--guess scripture is just mud slop to you. Wouldn't want you to waste your precious time with mud slop scripture when there is mud slinging about me to attend to. Do all discussions have to begin and end on your terms? You have the sole authority to ignore the valid questions of others and deem it all mud slop while you cough up what you would like to discuss. How humble of you. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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I think that the Trinity is a single discussable bit. Oh, so now the scipture presented is "shit stuck to the wall." Is that a step up or a step down from mud slop?
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Why waste my time tediously posting scripture when you have deemed all scripture I've posted thus far as mud slop of shit on the wall? You have done no homework for me Eric. You can't even answer the simplest of questions because all questions are beneath you and your superior knowledge and understanding in which you refuse to enlighten the rest of us with. What is silly is that I've posted plenty of contradiction and ALL has been ignored by you while you claim I'm not posting the verses. Why do you carry on with these circular arguments?
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Eric's a good guy for the most part, but you cannot win an argument with any person if they invoke faith. In general, the limit of their logical abilities extends to "that's the way it is because that's the way God made it." They've drawn their lines in the stone and are going to defend that fairy tale like it's the only thing they have.
Have a good day Eric....sincerely, I don't hold grudges or get all emotional about Internet discussions.
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Thanks Sam, and I know, I've had plenty of good discussions with Eric on various topics. Lol...there's a reason why they say avoid conversations about sex, religion and politics. But that's all we talk about around here. : ) People just can't seem to help getting emotional about it and, yes, there are limits upon logical abilities......mostly self inflicted.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You would miss me if you put me on bozo. : )
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This is precisely why your judgeless philisophy is so wrong. You are for very evil things. Let me list just a couple of them. Killing senile old people. Killing babies because they are inconvenient. Same sex "marriage". With you the list goes on and on. In your warped mind you wouldn't have anyone judge anything. You would have a parent have their kids in the care of child molesters. I mean you can't judge right? Your fruit stinks like cat shit.
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Then post chapter verse and tell us what the contradictions are and why. Are you capable of that little task? I seriously doubt it.
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He wasn't as bad as Obama. You thought high enough of Obama to not vote against him.
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You voted for John McCain a known treasonous anti-USA Constitutional son-of-a bitch. The punk isn't even a Republican as he claims. Your vote shows your true colours.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977
You are one of the very few I would discuss these things with, knowing ahead of time that it is not a waste of time. You are honest, whether we agree or not. That's rare. Very rare.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Start with post 71. This was the first time I posted chapter and verse to which you chimed in with a response despite not knowing what the hell you were talking about. Chapter and verse is written in the text......although we both know how poor your reading comprehension is.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Your fruit stinks like cat shit. Really? Supply the posts that support this bovine excrement. Your breath stinks like cat shit. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Thanks PSUSA. I don't think we are supposed to agree on everything.....how are we to learn from one another if we only discuss issues within an echo chamber? I don't claim to have all the answers and its okay with me if you disagree. I will still respect your POV.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
my observation is that Stone doesn't read most of what others post. he thinks he's always right and righteous and is unwilling to earnestly consider information that doesn't gel with his preconceptions.
Astute observations Christine. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Quit being an asshole. That is a laundry list you cut and pasted. I'm not going to jump through your hoops answer 50 questions. Pick one verse out of your pea sized brain. Quote that verse. Tell me another verse you think contradicts it. Tell me why you think it contradicts it. Then we can go from there. Are you capable of that?
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Don't be silly. How could you possible know what I read. Impossible. I think it is abraxass and pussussr who thinks they are always right. That is why they are incapable of pointing out a verse and saying what is wrong with it. Instead abraxass cuts and pastes a group of things someone else said was contradictions. The pervert didn't even say what the contradictions were. Now a question to you. You said I know it all. Well lets see how much you know. Find me one verse in the King James Bible that you think is contradicted by some other verse. All you did was post someones version of the history of the King James version. Which doesn't matter if God was ultimately behind it. Chapter and verse please.
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Don't get to close dyke. I don't think christine swings that way.
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Wrong, numbnuts. I never said any such thing. In fact, I know and explicitly admit I am not always right. That is the difference between us. I admit it, and you can't. And what is the point in pointing out these contradictions to you? It's already been done. You only call that person names and ignore what is posted. That is your style.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or This is where threads on religious topics always end up. It's ludicrous. Threads like these should be avoided like the plague.
No. Take 2 people out of these discussions and there is no problem. Or maybe it is just one person and his sock puppet. Who knows. Everyone else has the capacity to disagree while remaining civil and calm.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Why do you REFUSE to comment when I site the words of Jesus? I have come to the conclusion that you love what Jesus called The Synagogue of Satan Revealed at Last!! www.reformation.org/synagogue-of-satan.html The Lord Jesus Christ said: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:9). "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." (Revelation 3:9). The symbol for ancient Israel was the Menorah . . . not the hexagram!! Originally, the hexagram was an Egyptian good luck charm to protect from evil and put curses on enemies. Its origin dates back to the time of the Pharaohs. The Arabs found the hexagram in Egypt and it became a common Muslim symbol. Both Muslims and Khazars were/are mercenaries to defeat the enemies of Old Rome. Today, their leaders use the Pentagon funding of the Khazar state to fill the Muslims with hatred toward the United States and its Triune God given Constitution. and that you don't the the REAL ISRAELITES FROM THE KHAZARS
You are absolutely right about that. The problem is that there always seems to be one or two or three of those sorts of knuckleheads in the mix. What might otherwise be an interesting and instructive exchange ends in a childish slugfest. I hate banning, but some wise guys with their own forums should stay the hell over there.
Agreed. It's not as if he didn't provoke the banning. Christine is a sweetheart. I guess it takes a lot to rile her ;) I thought of putting AKA on bozo along with the other, but he amuses me at times.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." First off let me say I'm sorry for saying I think you are not a christian on another thread Are you saying all the jews in Israel are fake Jews? If not then tell me this. Is there leader Netanyahu a real jew or one of these fake jews you talk about? Do you support a Palestinians state where mosques are all over Gods holy land. Do you really think that God wants Muslims there building mosques? Really? B
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You talking about me giving abraxass a spankin? Well I will say this in regard to that. You shall know them by their fruit. Her fruit is abortion, euthenasia, fag marriage. It stinks like cat shit. Her moral compass is broken.
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i think you know who I'm talkng about abraxas has been pretty temperate on this thread i'm not familiar with abraxas' opinions on the topics you mention they haven't come up here & have no direct bearing on this dust up
I think it would shock him to know his forum has its share of O'Piles,
abortionists and anti-Christians - everything he rails against here.
i have zero interest or desire in getting into this with you. what i care about is your constant ad hominems, vulgarity, and obnoxious arrogance. just curious, why didn't you post this on your own forum?
he's bored playing in his own sandbox & he'a looking for fresh victims to torment there's not a lot that is particularly christian in his approach and look, i'm bumping this stupid thread again, dammit!
You are no Christian......and I'm no dyke.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
there's not a lot that is particularly christian in his approach and look, i'm bumping this stupid thread again, dammit! Well, look who he lets in his forum. Merde Log, yuktard, and a few others of LP's "brain trussed". Fuckin' psychos. I can only hope he's just letting them in to gather info from their IP addresses to wreak mayhem in their lives.
Ok there are some Jews who say they are Jews and are not. Who are they? Is Netanyahu and the previous say 5 leaders real Jews?
www.libertysflame.com
do a search for 'Netanyahu ashkenazi' and read about him
Just tell me if you think him and the previous leaders of Israel are real Jews. I can google bill clinton is the antichrist and I will get lots of hits. Because it is on the net doesn't make it true. Especially with so many out there who would like to see the Bible destroyed.
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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
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#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)
That his word is perfect and without flaws.
die kill ~~ Me
#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#6. To: PSUSA (#4)
Nonsense. Which version is the perfect one?
#7. To: Horse (#3)
I also believe in reicarnation.
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject".
#9. To: A K A Stone (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Christian?
#11. To: All (#9)
www.jamaica-gleaner.com/g...0090906/focus/focus3.html
#12. To: Horse (#3)
cannot accept a god who preaches genocide.
#13. To: Sam Houston (#5)
#14. To: 2big2fail (#11)
and god is not Great (Christopher Hitchens).
#15. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#13)
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
A woman should have no more right to murder an unborn baby than I do to murder a liberal.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)
Excuse me?
#19. To: buckeroo (#10)
#20. To: Samuel Gray, all (#17)
Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales.
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
#22. To: tom007 (#19)
#23. To: Cynicom (#21)
#24. To: buckeroo (#10)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)
#26. To: Esso (#24)
#27. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#13)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#29. To: Cynicom. all (#25)
The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#31. To: bluegrass (#30)
#32. To: Lod (#31)
#33. To: bluegrass. all (#32)
#34. To: abraxas (#27)
#35. To: Lod (#31)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws.
That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
#37. To: scooter (#36)
If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#39. To: Itistoolate (#38)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
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die kill ~~ Me
#41. To: Horse, All (#3)
#42. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#34)
But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.
#43. To: PSUSA (#4)
#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, PSUSA (#6)
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, PSUSA (#6)
#46. To: noone222, Original_Intent (#8)
#47. To: buckeroo (#10)
#48. To: Samuel Gray, All (#17)
#49. To: Samuel Gray (#17)
#50. To: Eric Stratton (#47)
Seriously, she's also the precise type that both Jesus and Paul spoke about negatively who were false sheep/prophets.
#51. To: Esso (#24)
#52. To: buckeroo (#26)
#53. To: purpleman (#28)
#54. To: Lod (#29)
#55. To: Lod (#33)
#56. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#57. To: Itistoolate, A K A Stone (#38)
#58. To: Eric Stratton (#44)
Are you guys familiar with the historicity and translation history of the Bible?
die kill ~~ Me
#59. To: PSUSA (#58)
#60. To: Eric Stratton (#59)
Well, sorry, I cannot sum up years of personal study in a single post on a thread for you.
die kill ~~ Me
#61. To: PSUSA (#60)
#62. To: PSUSA (#60)
#63. To: Eric Stratton (#61)
Allow me to rephrase the question;
die kill ~~ Me
#64. To: Eric Stratton (#62)
BTW, your position has been made more than clear over the years.
die kill ~~ Me
#65. To: Original_Intent (#7)
I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject".
#66. To: Eric Stratton, noone222, christine, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#46)
But if anything, and while there are many many supposed christians that are woefully inept at describing/explaining why/what they even believe,
They get their "info" from people, such as here, with someone floating some nonsensical notion that is supposedly Biblical yet far from it, yet the context in which it is understood, or even the principle itself, are far from reality or truth yet have been cemented as facts in that person's mind.
"The problem is not what people don't know but what they do know that ain't so."
Most of the most ardent believers that I've come across, including myself, have a religious history but have forsaken it at some point to have become agnostic or otherwise inactive in matters of faith as it were, but have over the years of their lives studied diligently the Scriptures, history otherwise, and have questioned their own existence and come to the only logical conclusion that exists leaving all of the others sounding like trite fairy tales.
#67. To: irishthatcherite (#65)
Makes the Truth harder to be known too. Because you'll get people like that on every side of a theological debate; the result is one comes away more confused. I'm only certain right now that my own Catholic faith is somewhat off Track...
#68. To: PSUSA (#64)
#69. To: Eric Stratton (#55)
Society today, religiously speaking, is a carbon copy of what's gone on for centuries. The Roman Catholic Church today has replaced the same Jewish religious institution that Christ declared "desolate" in Matt. 23. It has rebuilt and refreshed itself.
#70. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#71. To: Eric Stratton (#68)
Then, what you'll notice is how easily explainable any perceived differences in the texts are reconciled.
#72. To: Eric Stratton (#68)
Start with the American Standard Version of 1901. Then defer to the New American Standard Version or the King James.
die kill ~~ Me
#73. To: Original_Intent (#66)
#74. To: PSUSA (#63)
#75. To: Eric Stratton (#74)
die kill ~~ Me
#76. To: Original_Intent (#69)
#77. To: PSUSA (#72)
#78. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.
Lord Acton
#79. To: abraxas (#71)
#80. To: scooter (#36)
Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand?
Lord Acton
#81. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
#82. To: Eric Stratton (#79)
Please, allow me to ask however, are you sincerely interested in knowing, or are you simply throwing up stuff that you've heard (as it seems) and purely for purposes of arguing?
#83. To: Eric Stratton (#51)
(Edited)
Be fun to see her, Pelosi, and Hillary at a party. They all seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Lord Acton
#84. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#85. To: Dakmar (#84)
#86. To: Dakmar (#84)
he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.
#87. To: Flintlock (#86)
#88. To: Original_Intent (#67)
The first step to finding the truth is to be aware that it exists.
#89. To: irishthatcherite (#88)
(Edited)
#90. To: Flintlock (#86)
(Edited)
#91. To: Dakmar (#89)
#92. To: Eric Stratton (#45)
How about the Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers, e.g.? Why?
#93. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
(Edited)
For instance, I am against abortion, yet I am an atheist, or at least highly agnostic. I am against abortion because I believe that "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" applies to the unborn as much as it does the born.
#94. To: your_neighbor (#93)
What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
#95. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
#96. To: your_neighbor (#95)
Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor
#97. To: Dakmar (#90)
Lord Acton
#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell,
die kill ~~ Me
#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
(Edited)
#100. To: James Deffenbach (#97)
cereal killer
#101. To: Dakmar (#100)
Stay away from LSD young man, right?
Lord Acton
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#101)
#103. To: PSUSA (#72)
#104. To: abraxas (#82)
You sure like to pass judgment on others
#105. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)
My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell
#106. To: your_neighbor (#93)
Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).
#107. To: A K A Stone (#103)
The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.
#108. To: christine, A K A Stone, Mr. Clean (#107)
#109. To: A K A Stone (#106)
Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).
#110. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Just curious who would consider themselves a Christian
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#111. To: A K A Stone (#103)
die kill ~~ Me
#112. To: A K A Stone (#104)
We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.
#113. To: christine (#107)
AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.
#114. To: your_neighbor (#109)
He said the "truth will set you free."
#115. To: abraxas (#112)
So, AKA, do these scriptures say that you are "commanded" to judge or do we have another contradition within the infallible Bible?
#116. To: A K A Stone (#113)
#117. To: A K A Stone (#115)
(Edited)
The Bible teaches us to judge righteous judgement. We have to judge.
#118. To: A K A Stone (#114)
He said the "truth will set you free."
#119. To: your_neighbor (#118)
The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different.
#120. To: abraxas (#117)
No, the scriptures I quoted didn't say RIGHTEOUS judgment.......YOU say that. But, the scriptures quoted are quite clear.
#121. To: christine (#116)
what do you know about King James? who did he commission to translate the various books of the bible. were there any left out?
#122. To: A K A Stone (#120)
(Edited)
No fool you didn't. Because you were ignorant or you wished to decieve. Here you go. No contradiction little mind squanderer of your measure of faith.
#123. To: A K A Stone (#121)
But he is perfect and his word is perfectly preserved in the King James Version. So again please show me some fault in this book if you know of any.
#124. To: christine (#116)
(Edited)
With the death of Queen Elizabeth I, Prince James VI of Scotland became King James I of England. His name has become synonymous ...
die kill ~~ Me
#125. To: your_neighbor (#118)
The Christian god and the Jewish god are totally different.
die kill ~~ Me
#126. To: PSUSA (#124)
They ignore the fact that if the KJV is perfect, then it took his stupid god nearly 1600 years to finally get it right. If you lived prior to that, I guess you were SOL.
#127. To: abraxas (#122)
#128. To: randge (#127)
These individual lines and phrases can't be read in isolation. Jesus is saying that judges must themselves be clean or be cleansed in order to judge righteously I think.
#129. To: randge (#127)
#130. To: abraxas (#128)
AS IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE. Romans, iii, 10
die kill ~~ Me
#131. To: PSUSA (#130)
I'm sure you have issued your own judgments on these topics
#132. To: abraxas (#131)
Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.
#133. To: abraxas (#131)
Initially, I posted to discuss the Biblical contradictions. These posts were ignored completely, no comment whatsoever, but I did receive a big dose of judgment on me personally for having dared to post it. Kill the messenger I suppose.
die kill ~~ Me
#134. To: randge (#132)
Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.
#135. To: buckeroo (#134)
#136. To: buckeroo, randge (#134)
The scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.
#137. To: randge (#135)
#138. To: PSUSA, abraxas (#136)
#139. To: farmfriend (#136)
You have to read between the lines [of the Holy Bible] somewhat.
#140. To: farmfriend (#138)
(Edited)
die kill ~~ Me
#141. To: randge (#132)
Perhaps you'll be good enough to explain these verses to me. I confess that I'm not able to "judge" them.
#142. To: randge (#132)
It looks to me like Jesus is telling us that we are not capable of "judging" at all.
#143. To: abraxas (#141)
#144. To: buckeroo (#139)
Yeah, Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker performed the same.
Look at how these Washington DC fanatics have destroyed the US Constitution. And look at how today's Christian churches endorse the same.
#145. To: PSUSA (#140)
Trust a jew at your peril.
#146. To: farmfriend (#145)
#147. To: farmfriend (#144)
(Edited)
Satan is full of lies and he will whisper in your ear convincing you of things that aren't true. You can not attribute such evils to God.
#148. To: farmfriend (#145)
die kill ~~ Me
#149. To: PSUSA (#148)
If that struck a little too close to home, I'm sorry. Not for expressing my opinion, but for the effect it might have had.
#150. To: farmfriend (#149)
I would hate to have someone judge the members of this board by the policies of our nations.
#151. To: abraxas, Original_Intent (#147)
#152. To: abraxas (#150)
Very astute, farmfriend. : )
#153. To: farmfriend (#149)
(Edited)
I don't think Jews are the problem but the pro-Israel at all costs policy is.
die kill ~~ Me
#154. To: PSUSA (#153)
I tend to see all organized religions as being a curse, and judaism is no exception.
#155. To: farmfriend (#154)
(Edited)
Organized religions are not the same thing as individuals. If I say I am Christian do you then hate me? Or do you judge me by what I post here?
die kill ~~ Me
#156. To: PSUSA (#155)
Test me by turning into a blithering idiot neocon or a starry eyed obama socialist and see the reaction you get.
#157. To: abraxas (#122)
So, are you claiming there is no contradiction between Matthew and John?
#158. To: abraxas (#141)
My only explantation is that contradictions abound.
#159. To: buckeroo (#134)
The scriptures don't provide modern methods; the Bible is out-of-date.
#160. To: A K A Stone (#158)
#161. To: A K A Stone (#159)
Thou shall not kill is out of date.
#162. To: A K A Stone (#158)
But you still sit on your fat ass stuffing your face with donuts and cannot point out any. What a fat ass loser.
#163. To: A K A Stone (#157)
I don't know why I waste my time on people like you
#164. To: abraxas (#162)
I've pointed out PLENTY of contradictions on this thread.
#165. To: buckeroo (#161)
Tell that to that your presidential BS artist, John McCain.
#166. To: abraxas (#163)
Doesn't anybody post on YOUR website?
#167. To: Ferret Mike (#160)
Yummm.... donuts, figures you'd mention hol(e)y food.
#168. To: abraxas (#82)
#169. To: abraxas (#82)
#170. To: Eric Stratton (#168)
Really 'nuff said there. But that renders the rest of your argument moot.
#171. To: abraxas (#71)
#172. To: A K A Stone (#170)
#173. To: Eric Stratton (#171)
#174. To: A K A Stone (#173)
#175. To: A K A Stone (#173)
#176. To: Eric Stratton (#174)
Perhaps, but it does no good for me to be unkind to her, eh.
#177. To: A K A Stone (#173)
#178. To: A K A Stone (#176)
#179. To: Eric Stratton (#175)
#180. To: A K A Stone (#176)
#181. To: A K A Stone (#179)
#182. To: Eric Stratton (#178)
Well, you've had your issues with me as well, eh.
#183. To: A K A Stone (#182)
#184. To: A K A Stone, abraxas, Eric Stratton (#170)
(Edited)
Gotta hand it to you on this thread. Your words were wise and only a fool would disagree.
die kill ~~ Me
#185. To: PSUSA (#184)
Being called "wise" by AKA should be downright scary. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
#186. To: A K A Stone (#165)
#187. To: A K A Stone (#185)
die kill ~~ Me
#188. To: Eric Stratton (#168)
"Hearts" are no objective. If God exists, and wants us to know about Him, then He sure can find a way, via man, or "rocks that would rise up and speak," even less sensical according to you, would/could/did do precisely that.
#189. To: A K A Stone (#179)
people like her
#190. To: A K A Stone (#179)
When people like her start calling you a "zionist".
#191. To: A K A Stone (#173)
Her heart is harder then diamonds. She is a hater of the truth. She wants to keep her murderous attitude and sexual pervertedness. It is everything to her. You are being far to kind to her.
#192. To: A K A Stone (#166)
#193. To: Eric Stratton (#172)
As to abraxas being a she, that certainly explains much. She carbon units are definitely more focused around the "heart"/emotional.
#194. To: Eric Stratton, AKA Stone (#171)
26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered.
#195. To: Eric Stratton (#169)
There's only one way. No writer of the Bible says that there are two ways, not one. John 14:6
#196. To: PSUSA (#184)
#197. To: abraxas (#188)
#198. To: abraxas (#194)
#199. To: abraxas, PSUSA (#194)
#200. To: Eric Stratton (#197)
You've made your mind up and have already predetermined that any answer that I give you will be inadequate.
#201. To: abraxas (#195)
#202. To: abraxas (#200)
#203. To: Eric Stratton (#198)
As I said, then pick one supposed contradiction or terminal ideological conclusion that you've reached, and put your evidence on the table and then let's chat.
#204. To: abraxas (#203)
#205. To: Eric Stratton (#202)
a single discussable bit
#206. To: Eric Stratton (#201)
Can you please provide the references
#207. To: abraxas (#206)
#208. To: abraxas (#206)
#209. To: Eric Stratton (#207)
#210. To: abraxas (#209)
#211. To: Samuel Gray (#208)
Eric's a good guy for the most part, but you cannot win an argument with any person if they invoke faith. In general, the limit of their logical abilities extends to "that's the way it is because that's the way God made it."
#212. To: Eric Stratton (#210)
why you're not on bozo
#213. To: abraxas (#212)
#214. To: abraxas (#194)
I didn't ask you to trust my heart. I asked you to refrein from judgment of the hearts of others.....
#215. To: abraxas (#195)
No, there is contradictory criteria regarding getting saved--endure to the end, batism, belief to name thee, born of water and spirit, call upon the name of the Lord, confess that "Jesus is Lord," and Acts states that "Those God calls to himself will be saved."
#216. To: buckeroo (#186)
You voted for a pissant, John McCain. I never recognized the same.
#217. To: A K A Stone (#216)
#218. To: abraxas (#211)
(Edited)
People just can't seem to help getting emotional about it and, yes, there are limits upon logical abilities......mostly self inflicted.
die kill ~~ Me
#219. To: A K A Stone (#215)
Then post chapter verse and tell us what the contradictions are and why. Are you capable of that little task?
#220. To: A K A Stone (#214)
You are for very evil things. Let me list just a couple of them. Killing senile old people. Killing babies because they are inconvenient. Same sex "marriage". With you the list goes on and on.
#221. To: PSUSA (#218)
You are one of the very few I would discuss these things with, knowing ahead of time that it is not a waste of time.
#222. To: abraxas, A K A Stone (#219)
although we both know how poor your reading comprehension is.
#223. To: christine (#222)
#224. To: abraxas (#219)
Start with post 71.
#225. To: christine (#222)
my observation is that Stone doesn't read most of what others post. he thinks he's always right and righteous and is unwilling to earnestly consider information that doesn't gel with his preconceptions.
#226. To: abraxas (#223)
Astute observations Christine. : )
#227. To: A K A Stone (#225)
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I think it is abraxass and pussussr who thinks they are always right.
die kill ~~ Me
#228. To: A K A Stone, all (#224)
Quit being an asshole.
#229. To: randge (#228)
This is where threads on religious topics always end up.
die kill ~~ Me
#230. To: A K A Stone (#226)
#231. To: PSUSA (#229)
#232. To: randge (#231)
I hate banning, but some wise guys with their own forums should stay the hell over there.
die kill ~~ Me
#233. To: Itistoolate (#230)
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:9).
#234. To: randge (#231)
The problem is that there always seems to be one or two or three of those sorts of knuckleheads in the mix.
#235. To: A K A Stone (#234)
#236. To: randge (#231)
#237. To: A K A Stone (#225)
Find me one verse in the King James Bible that you think is contradicted by some other verse. All you did was post someones version of the history of the King James version. Which doesn't matter if God was ultimately behind it.
#238. To: Jethro Tull (#236)
#239. To: A K A Stone (#226)
Don't get to close dyke.
#240. To: randge (#238)
he's bored playing in his own sandbox & he'a looking for fresh victims to torment
#241. To: Itistoolate (#230)
#242. To: A K A Stone (#241)
#243. To: Itistoolate (#242)
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