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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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#68. To: PSUSA (#64)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   13:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Society today, religiously speaking, is a carbon copy of what's gone on for centuries. The Roman Catholic Church today has replaced the same Jewish religious institution that Christ declared "desolate" in Matt. 23. It has rebuilt and refreshed itself.

I believe Fr. Malachi Martin came to the same conclusion and thus his book: "Windwept House".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-03   13:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#0)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-03   13:53:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Eric Stratton (#68)

Then, what you'll notice is how easily explainable any perceived differences in the texts are reconciled.

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, "we are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

Jeremiah 23: 26-27 How long shall this be in teh heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? Yea, they are prophets of deceit in their own heart.

Luke 24:25 Then he (Jesus) said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart, to believe all that the prophets have spoken.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a think, I the Lord have deceived the prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

Scirpture is clear that man is far from infallible in translation.

Moreover, the Bible is rife with contradictions. Because a story is told by man, the telling has discrepencies from one to the next. This is obvious in the telling of the story of Jesus, for example.

Such as the telling of the Trinity, the bible actually confuses teh Godhead multiple times:

John 1:1 Jesus and God are one. John 1:14 Jesus is God incarnate. Mark 1: 1 Jesus is the Son of God. Acts 2:22 Jesus was a man approved by God. John 10:30 Jesus and the Father are one. John 14:28 The Father is greater than Jesus. John 3:17 Jesus does NOT judge or condemn. John 5: 27,30, Acts 10:42, Cirubtguabs 5:10, God the Father has passed it to Jesus to judge. John 8:15 Jesus does not judge mankind but God the Father does. John 9:39 Jesus came into the world to judge. John 12:47 Jesus did not judge mankind but God the Father does. John 5:22 God does NOT judge. Romans 2:2-5, Peter 1:17, Revelation 20: 12-13 God does judge. Jude 1:14-15, God judes with ten thousand of his saints. John 5:24 Believers DO NOT come into judgment. Mathew 12:36-37, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Hebrews 9:27, 2 Timithy 4:1, All persons (believers and non-believers) come into judgement. John 5:31 Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, ,his testimony is not true. John 8:14 Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true. John 6:44 No one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father. John 10: 27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost. 1 Timothy 4:1 Some of them will be lost.

Apparently, there was NO harmony among Biblical writers. From this selection of scriputures, one cannot discern if there is or is not a Trinity. One must cherry pick to take a stance.

And this is just ONE example........I can provide hundreds more where one writer contradicts another. It's not even the differnces in the texts that cannot be reconciled but the text ITSELF when comparing one writer to the next.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-03   14:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Eric Stratton (#68)

Start with the American Standard Version of 1901. Then defer to the New American Standard Version or the King James.

So there is no perfect version? Final answer? You admit it? See how silly that is? There is no magically preserved perfect translation. They all have errors, which always lead to contradictions and inconsistencies. But you can understand the errors.

Start with the American Standard Version of 1901. Then defer to the New American Standard Version or the King James. Then do what I do and cross reference those with the Greek/Hebrew parallel text, also readily available.

Why should anyone start with the ASV of 1901 and then defer to the ASV or KJV? Is there something special about them?

As to a "perfect" version, depends upon how one defines "perfect." As to being able to glean all that you need to know without conflict from other versions, follow that advice and you'll be fine.

I define it as being without error. So you then recommend consulting other less than perfect translations in order to get a perfect translation? That might work in certain areas to help make something more clear, but other areas are totally incompatible.

So, lets get down to brass tacks here. Where does that word "hell" come from? Let's just start with that word, and not the doctrine behind it. We can get into that later if you want.

Consult your books and tell me.

Tell me how it is translated from words that mean grave, pit, gehenna (a valley in Jerusalem where trash was burned, not people), etc. It is inconsistent, and in this one little area, entire denominations build their doctrines on this one error.

Tell me also how that word ended up in the OT. Same with "Lucifer". That is a latin word that people think means Satan. It's the king of Babylon. Read it.

That is just a start.

Then we can get into the "for ever" nonsense in both the OT and NT.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   14:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Original_Intent (#66)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   14:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: PSUSA (#63)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   14:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Eric Stratton (#74)

You didn't disappoint me.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   14:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Original_Intent (#69)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   14:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: PSUSA (#72)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   14:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

I believe that Jesus is exactly who he claimed to be and that he is "the way, the truth and the life."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-03   14:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: abraxas (#71)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   14:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: scooter (#36)

Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand?

I don't believe anyone is held accountable for more light than they have been shown.

"...for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation." (Romans 4:15)

". . . for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law." (Romans 5:13)

This is not any sort of ecumenical theology or "all ways lead to God." Those who have heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and have refused to believe have rejected Him, and, as such, will fall under the condemnation of God, because they have rejected His provision for our disobedience.

The atheist and the skeptic are still 'without excuse' (Romans 1:18:20) but that isn't the same thing as the condemnation of those who, by time and circumstance, have never heard of either the Law or the Gospel, but conduct themselves according to the unwritten law in their heart.

Those who perpetrate evil, even without the knowledge of the gospel, will likewise be condemned, since they have violated their God-given conscience.

But what happens to those who never called upon the Name of Jesus because they never heard the Name of Jesus? God will judge them in righteousness, according to His own Word. They aren't the ones the skeptic needs to worry about.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-03   15:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Ferret Mike (#70)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-03   15:13:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Eric Stratton (#79)

Please, allow me to ask however, are you sincerely interested in knowing, or are you simply throwing up stuff that you've heard (as it seems) and purely for purposes of arguing?

The above is trivial. I would have hoped that you would have come with far more difficult supposed "contradictions."

You, and PSUSA, among many others, will never understand the context and perspective until you seek from a truly seeking heart

In fact, I detect that you are being purely argumentative, and frankly, floating child's play arguments if you ask me and that have been addressed infinite times by others in the past ranging from the distant past to the modern past.

I know, but not based on some notion that the Bible is an infallible text.

As I stated before, I have HUNDREDS of Biblical contradictions up for discussion. The Trinity was posed because there is a divide within Christians regarding this matter, which I view as an obvious divide based upon contradictory texts posed by Biblical writers. If they are all receiving the Holy word of God, then why the contradiction, Eric? This is merely a way to avoid addressing the contradictions presented as you degrade the messenger and the scriptures presented by claiming that both are beneath your superior perceptions.

So, you are posing that your selection of texts is more clear and precise than the scriptures I offered for debate. Is this based solely on your choice? After you cherry pick are the other scriptures some how less relevant to the discussion?

Have you considered that PSUSA and I come to our understanding FROM THE HEART and not from Biblical text that is witten by humans and contradictory? You sure like to pass judgment on others, Eric. Do you know my heart? Do you know PSUSA's heart? No, you don't, and, in truth, the hearts of others are not for you to judge. The scriptures are clear on that issue.

As far as I'm concerned, a good Christian could discard all of the Bible save the Sermon on the Mount and have all the text necessary to be the kind of Christian Jesus came to show them was possible. However, most Christians discard the Sermon on the Mount, as this is a difficult path to embark upon, opting instead to banter about the rest of the contradictory text to justify their own perceptions.

Your detections are based on your perceptions, and both are wrong. So, according to you, the Trinity is child's play. You should send a memo to theologians who spend their lives disecting this matter. Merely the fact that the debate continues demonstrates validity in the argument.

Next, we can discuss the various ways in which writers of the Bible tell the masses that they can be saved. Unless you deem this matter also as child's play and beneath your self righteous indignation to address. Many contradictions on that issue, much debate in the distant and modern past right up to this current moment. Getting saved may just be child's play from your persepective, if so, just let me know.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-03   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Eric Stratton (#51) (Edited)

Be fun to see her, Pelosi, and Hillary at a party. They all seem to be cut from the same cloth.

Tammy Faye Baker Messner died in 2007.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-03   15:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I'm an athiest, but I intensely dislike territorial athiests, and the orthodox athiests are just the worst.

Jesus was an enlightened man, he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

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#85. To: Dakmar (#84)

lol.....thank for the laugh Dak.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-03   15:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Dakmar (#84)

he would'a had guys like you in line shearing your fuzzy little heads making sweaters.

Go get'em!

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-02-03   15:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Flintlock (#86)

bunny, bunny, bunny jump

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-03   15:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent (#67)

The first step to finding the truth is to be aware that it exists.

Of course then you have to look for it. ;-)

Arr! Gotta find the buried treasure! ;)

Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html

"The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime."

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-03   16:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: irishthatcherite (#88) (Edited)

I hate you both and I wish you had cancer!

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-03   16:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Flintlock (#86) (Edited)

Raising a cereal killer

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-03   16:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Dakmar (#89)

Ah... ok... the "buried treasure" comment of mine jogged your memory of a Terence and Philip sketch. lol

Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html

"The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime."

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-03   17:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Eric Stratton (#45)

How about the Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers, e.g.? Why?

You tell me? I'm not a member of one of the 38000 plus denominations. Why don't you make good use of your time and write to every denomination and tell them they are hell bound heretics for not believing as you do.

Blow it our your ass. You've already proven yourself to be a liar by trying to make it look like I was for the government regulation of the right to die and then running off like a little bitch when I proved you were a liar.

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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-03   17:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14) (Edited)

For instance, I am against abortion, yet I am an atheist, or at least highly agnostic. I am against abortion because I believe that "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" applies to the unborn as much as it does the born.

What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The answer is Christian philosophy.

There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today.

If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness).

There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).

No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-03   19:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: your_neighbor (#93)

What system of thought brought you to the idea of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The answer is Christian philosophy.

There was no other system of thought that held those ideals - in 1776 or today.

If one has the intellect and courage too see that there is a difference between the philosophy of Christianity which informs us how to volitionally treat each other, and the often heavy handed moralistically abused religion of Christianity - then one will not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The key ideals of the Christian philosophy are the sacredness of the individual and volitional action (i.e., life liberty and the pursuit of happiness).

There is no doubt that Jesus was a religious person, "god" was the nexus of thought in his time and place. Looking ONLY at Jesus' words, we can see that he spoke both of god and of how we should treat each other. The "how we should treat each other" has led to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." That is a historical fact that no honest person can quibble with. No other system of thought of any nature, has led a people to the ideals of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The Bible is a man made creation. Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).

No man that has ever lived that has truly known god. If there is a god (and I believe that there is one god), then he is so elevated from us, that at this time in human evolution, we cannot possibly communicate with him. We can only know god through the universe that he created.

So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true.

I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world. At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil. My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell, whether it be because they interpret a biblical passage differently or because of another person's sin (while conveniently forgetting about that plank in their own eye). I read it every day from so-called Christians. Everyone's going to hell but them. One only has to read the post by Eric to me to see an example. What his post is saying is that there can't be more than one interpretation. HE has the only truth. Everyone else is a heretic or "false Christian." Scree that. They can have it. Let them damn each other all day long and I'll laugh at them like the dumb asses they are.

As for "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness," there are arguments on whether it was based on the writing's of John Locke or Blackstone's Commentaries. Since John Locke didn't believe in either the trinity or original sin I have no doubt the the religious know-it-all's on this board will damn him and claim he wasn't a Christian, even though, from my readings, he considered himself one. One again, that pesky interpretation problem that supposedly doesn't exist has raised its ugly head.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-03   20:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)

Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-03   20:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: your_neighbor (#95)

Sorry - but I do not have the time to respond to you now - latter tonight or tomorrow. your_neighbor

Have a good evening.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-03   20:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Dakmar (#90)

Right kind of cereal and I am a cereal killer. Maple Pecan Crunch beez da bomb!!!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-03   21:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)

My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell,

That goes back a long time. The clergy class used that to keep people in line. Now everyone is a clergyman, sentencing everyone that doesnt toe the company line to this "hell". These "teachers" don't know what they are talking about, but they sure do sound like they know what they are talking about. They are soooooo positive about these things.

When I see them on the boob tube or hear them on the radio, they shout, extremely loudly, as if this yelling will convince someone they are telling the truth. You don't need to yell if you are telling the truth about anything.

Show them the errors and they get extremely angry. They never respond to it when these errors are shown, with the exception of a tiny minority. They just throw temper tantrums. It's not even a matter of interpretation. Better interpretations wouldn't help. You can show them these errors and they ignore them. Fix those errors and they would accuse you of promoting a satanic deception.

When I was first shown these things, I was happy. It finally made sense when it made no sense before. But to the vast majority: they hate it.

The apostle Paul wrote about this corruption, it's in the gospels, Peter wrote about it. It didn't take long for corruption to set in. It went on in their times. It just keeps getting worse.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   21:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94) (Edited)

So because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness I am required to be a Christian? I do not believe that to be true.

I have no problem with the philosophy of Christianity, or at least the writings about how to treat your fellow man. The writings themselves have brought great advancements in the world.

"Writings" imply words, and an intellectual endeavor. We humans have two different driving forces within us. The first is biological and the second is intellectual. Our biological imperatives lead us into being tribal and territorial. We are emotionally suited to a top down pecking order system of organization within the our tribe and family. On the other hand "the words of Christianity" lead us to a different system of organization, a horizontal person to person system of intellectual organization. (i.e., "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"). Jesus was an intellectual. And it is more than fair to label Jesus as a philosopher.

Words are the most important and potent tool of mankind. True intellectuals give credit to those who change the direction of humanity with their words. We all must call ourselves Newtonians and Darwinians. Newton's and Darwin's words changed the direction of humanity. So too did Jesus' philosophical words. Shouldn't we all, who live in the West, call ourselves philosophical Christians. Wouldn't that be intellectually honest.

At the same time, the actions of those who claim to follow the philosophy of Christianity have brought just as much evil.

These people who do harm to others are not philosophical Christians. There is a difference between religious Christians and philosophical Christians. A religious Christian has a top down relationship with god, a philosophical Christian has a horizontal relationship with his fellow humans. Some Christians are both, many are not. There are good religious Christians and there are bad religious Christians - but there are no bad philosophical Christians with destructive intentions. Also one can be a philosophical Christian without being a religious Christian.

Those religious Christians that do harm to others, have not given up their biological driven selves - they remain trapped in their tribal and top down biological human nature. They are top down with both god and their neighbors. Jesus said "live by the sword, die by the sword" - history is replete with Christians who ignore those philosophical words.

It is not easy, giving up our top down pecking order natural self. We have to work at being "a philosophical Christian." Again Christianity is an intellectual horizontal way of life for humanity, where we us our brains to direct our actions - not our gonads.

Intellectual Philosophical Christianity, in name, should be celebrated - not denied.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-04   17:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: James Deffenbach (#97)

cereal killer

Wasn't that a crazy story. Makes me sad I swapped it out at last minute for whole Melvins attache first minute posters check, vest, hat, and drumstick parts.

Stay away from LSD young man, right?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-04   21:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Dakmar (#100)

Stay away from LSD young man, right?

Exceedingly wise counsel I think.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-04   21:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: James Deffenbach (#101)

Best I can do under the circumstances...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-02-04   21:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: PSUSA (#72)

The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: abraxas (#82)

You sure like to pass judgment on others

Eric judged you correctly. We are commanded to judge. Oh and you are a fool.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#94)

My problem lies with the holier than thou dirt bags that damn everyone around them to hell

You don't believe in God. That is your right to be a fool.

Also, If someone believes in God and you don't. That would make them holier then you.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: your_neighbor (#93)

Clearly the old testament is evil in nature. The same can be said of some parts of the new testament (the parts that stray from Jesus' words).

How about some examples.

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-05   0:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: A K A Stone (#103)

The king james version is perfect. Others may be as well. Others such as the NIV definately are not.

AH. THE ALL KNOWING STONE HAS DECREED IT SO.

christine  posted on  2010-02-05   1:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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