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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I believe, and won't deny Him before men.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   12:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

I would be curious about who on your board is pro abortion. A Christian can't be pro choice I've seen some say. Given the way you have reacted to some pro choice people here, if you did a survey on LF I bet you would be surprised by the number of pro abort people posting.

2big2fail  posted on  2010-02-02   13:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I deny the Old Testament. I cannot accept a god who preaches genocide. I accept the idea of the New Testament that Jesus was the first born of many brethren. We are to become like Jesus. I also believe in reicarnation. I also believe those Zionists who kill millions of innocents for Israel will suffer greatly when the dollar collapses and will suffer even more during their next life or two.

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Horse  posted on  2010-02-02   13:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

That his word is perfect and without flaws.

Nonsense. Which version is the perfect one?

I'm a heretic.

I don't want to be lumped in with people that call themselves christians.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-02   14:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)

God is Love. That's what I believe. And I've survived a near-death experience that literally proved to me that this is the case. There's no way I should be alive. I should have been killed instantly by the Chevrolet Suburban which ran off the road and hit me head-on going an estimated 40 mph (according to an eyewitness).

I cannot prove what happened to me to anyone else, but neither will I any longer debate about who/what God is to me. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Sam Houston  posted on  2010-02-02   15:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA (#4)

Nonsense. Which version is the perfect one?

Why his version, of course. Need you even ask? LOL!

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   15:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Horse (#3)

I also believe in reicarnation.

As did early Christians and the Nestorian Church still does today.

I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject".

As well one is usually confronted with the "If'n you don't believe exactly as I do the you's a heathen" argument. Another one of those interminably boring, close minded, and aggravating lines of discussion.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   15:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)

I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject".

I'm with you on this one !!!

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noone222  posted on  2010-02-02   15:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I believe in God, in that there is a Supreme Being. I don't believe books written by men to be the word of that Supreme Being, they are the words of men.


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FormerLurker  posted on  2010-02-02   15:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Christian?

As in Spanish Inquistion? Or how the Christians raped, pillaged and plundered Africa, the New World or even their own Nuns in Italy?

How about how the "Christians" fornicated with Philippinos as recently as 100 years ago(both men and women) spreading "the word?"

How about how Christians encouraged Zionists to pillage the region known as "Israel?"

I wager you won't answer one question. But you will sit on your stump telling the world, those won't Christian acts. Those were acts by men.

Christians are liars. They are charlatans and deceptive in their so-called merits about the gospel.

Here is your modern day Christian:

Her husband is in jail and she looks like a fucking clown.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-02   15:58:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#9)

www.jamaica-gleaner.com/g...0090906/focus/focus3.html

The rise of militant atheism

Published: Sunday | September 6, 2009

Ian Boyne, Contributor Is religion good for society? Is the Bible really a good book let alone 'The Good Book'? And does God really exist? Can we prove it? A group of militant atheists have been giving a resounding and vehement "No!" to all these questions, much to the consternation of Christians.

In the last few years, Christians have experienced their own Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. There is no mystery to them, as they have made no attempt to disguise their identities or agenda. They are named Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens. They have written some profoundly disturbing books in the last four years: The God Delusion (Richard Dawkins); The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation (Sam Harris); Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon (Daniel Dennett); and god is not Great (Christopher Hitchens). Hitchens and Dawkins are the most dreaded of these four "beasts" in Christian fundamentalist demonology.

Unknown to most Jamaican Christians, including many pastors and theologians, there has been an intense, fierce and furious intellectual battle taking place over God in North America and Britain particularly, in the last four years. A new, militant atheism has arisen. The New Atheists, as they have been dubbed, have been carrying out their work with evangelistic and evangelical zeal. It's about time, they say, as for too long thinking, rational people have allowed Christians to dominate the public space, influencing public policy to great societal damage, with their myths and dogmas.

Struggle

Christians, for example, have been at the forefront of the struggle against the right of gay people to live without stigma and prejudice; the right to have a "loving and legal marriage"; the "right" to adopt and rear children. Christians have stoutly opposed women's sovereignty over their own bodies, tyrannising public policy on abortion, as the atheists would see it. Christians have opposed stem cell research which would benefit people undergoing intense suffering. They are said to be responsible for untold suffering in places like Africa where AIDS has been rampant, because of the teaching of Christianity's largest denomination (Catholicism) against the use of condoms. Catholic teaching forbidding policy on artificial birth control has both swelled and harmed populations in Latin America where Catholicism has been strong.

Christians, charge the New Atheists, have been responsible for supporting or giving justification to some of the most obnoxious social evils which mankind has known. Christopher Hitchens sees religion as child abuse and devotes a whole chapter in his book, "god is not Great, defending that thesis.

"Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry; invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry; contemptuous of women and coercive toward children, organised religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience," Hitchens spews in his highly polemical and angry book. (He sees it as justified outrage; the sort rational persons should exhibit to the kind of atrocities religion fosters, in his view).

Atrocious behaviour

And it is not only that Christians, as fallible human beings, have not been able to live out the ideal of the Bible and, therefore, they engage in atrocious behaviour. No, say people like Dawkins and Hitchens. That is how the Christians' God behaves. Explains Dawkins in his book, The God Delusion: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, blood-thirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticide, genocidal, filicidal pestilential, megalomanical, sadomasochistic, capriciously bully."

Some Christians might even condemn me for quoting this "blasphemous" passage from the Gospel of Dawkins; a passage which would, under previous era, land him in jail. But people would be shocked to know that long before Hitchens wrote that, the revered American Founding Father Thomas Jefferson said, "The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust". But now the New Atheists are popularising their ideas through the big American media, of which they have become darlings. Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens' books have been best-sellers on the New York Times lists (Dennett is more sober and restrained, hence less of a pull for media.)

The New Atheists have been helped considerably by a growing group of Christians, including scholars and pastors, who have become atheists and who are now openly confessing their atheism. From the 19th century particularly, with the rise of Biblical criticism, a huge percentage of Biblical scholars have rejected conservative views that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Many Biblical scholars see the Bible as a human book, limited by culture and history and not by any means immune from error.

One prominent Biblical scholar who has become an atheist and who is a celebrity in the big American media is Professor Bart Ehrman who over the last few years has produced a stream of books devastating to Christianity and the Bible: Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind who Changed the Bible and Why; The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture; Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths we Never Knew; Lost Scriptures: Books That Did not Make It Into the New Testament; God's problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer our Most Important Question - Why we Suffer and his most recent; Jesus Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (And Why We Don't know About Them).

Ehrman was a Bible-believer, Gospel-toting Fundamentalist Christian schooled in the most conservative Evangelical seminaries in America - Moody Bible Institute and Wheaton. But he later went to Princeton where he gained a PhD in New Testament studies. In his book God's problem he tells how he lost his faith after becoming a pastor and preaching every Sunday and holding prayer group and Bible studies.

"I realised that I could no longer reconcile the claims of faith with the facts of life. I could no longer explain how there can be a good and all-powerful God actively involved with this world given the state of things. For many people inhabiting this planet, life is a cesspool of misery and suffering. I came to the point where I could not believe that there is a good and kindly disposed Ruler who is in charge of it."

I could no longer believe

Unlike what almost every Christian might believe, Ehrman did not leave willingly, but tried to hang on to his faith until he simply could not anymore, his faith bursting under the weight of contrary evidence, as he would see it. "I did not go easily. On the contrary, I left kicking and screaming, wanting desperately to hold on to the faith I had known from my childhood. But I came to the point where I could no longer believe".

In the view of the New Atheists like Harris, Dennett, Dawkins and Hitchens, only the tiniest minority have the courage to leave an unthinking faith, which is what all religious faith is ultimately. Besides, the vast majority are simply not bright enough to realise they what they believe is an illusion, a myth, a fable like those from Greek legends. In fact, Dawkins has angered Christians for years by saying he cannot see how any educated person can believe in God. He says the evidence for evolution is too overwhelming and coercive for any person who claims to be educated to deny that evidence and say he does not believe in evolution.

He says atheists should be simply called Brights for those who are not atheists are not bright. (Dawkins , from the prestigious Oxford University, is considered the most arrogant of all the new atheists, followed closely by Hitchens). Hitchens says in his book, god is not Great: "Religion comes from a period of human pre-history where nobody had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from bawling and a fearful infancy of our species and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion."

The growth of Islamic fanaticism and terrorism; the danger of militant Islam to democracy and peace and the 9/11 experience have served to reinforce the view that religion is bad for society. In addition, the New Atheists are buttressed by scientific evidence which seems to prove that religion is harmful to sociological and psychological health.

The facts

An international survey of 23,000 persons in 17 democracies shows that "in general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with high rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality STD-infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies". (See Gregory Paul's article in Vol. 7, 2005 issue of The Journal of Religion and Health).

Secular Europe scores higher on a number of indices of social health than the more religious United States. Japan, which is a highly secularised society, is far more peaceful and sociologically healthy than religious America.

Says Gregory in his Journal of Religion and Society essay: "The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the democracies, sometimes spectacularly so. No democracy is known to have combined strong religiosity and popular denial of evolution with high rates of societal health. The US is the least efficient Western nation in terms of converting wealth into cultural and physical health". And a religion is a major factor say the militant atheists.

2big2fail  posted on  2010-02-02   15:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Horse (#3)

cannot accept a god who preaches genocide.

He never preaches genocide. This is what Jesus was telling others...

Mark 10:

2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.

3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?

4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.

In other words, the laws he gave them including those through Moses were to help them control their acts, laws etc. But it was often taken too far. An "eye for an eye" doesn't mean you must take an eye for an eye, it means you must never go beyond that. Remember who the committed the first murder? Cain!

Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." He was telling them that this is the maximum, but that it doesn't mean that it must be. That is what is wrong with those use this to support capital punishment. They assume it must always be. But Jesus repeatedly reminded them that do assume so was wrong.

This is what HE told them also...

Matthew 5:

46 or if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   16:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Sam Houston (#5)

I have been told by many doctors (neurologists) that I am without a doubt a miracle. In 2002 I went down on my Harley trying to avoid a car that was cutting into me and I split my skull open. I was in a coma for over a month and then when I came out of the coma I was in a "vegetative" state. I was in Barrows (here in AZ) for almost 4 months in this state and my family was told I would never be anything except a "vegetable".... would never talk, walk, be aware of what was around me and that I would require constant care. Cigna, our insurance, advised my family and the hospital that since there was no hope of recovery they were no longer going to provide coverage for me to remain at Barrows and it was suggested that I be placed in AZ State Hospital and the odds where less than 3% that I would live/survive more than a year.

July 6, 2002 I had the experience 99%+ will only have one time and I was declared. I was told later that it was 21 minutes and that they had gvien up and decided nothing else could be done... in other words "History". After 21 minutes they said my heart started on up on its own and that I began breathing again. I have been told that it was appx 3 hours later that I opened my eyes and tried to ask "where am I". I vaguely remember it.... had tubes all over, some machine pushing air into my lungs etc.

My wife said "needless to say the doctors were shocked and they cannot expalain it". My family was told that even though for the first time in 4 months I was awake/alert that I would never talk in complete sentences again, would never walk etc..... On July 17th, 2002 they had a big party for me and let me go home. I walked out to the car with my wife and she drove us home.

Since then I have seen numerous neurologists and all have been let's say stunned when they look at my MRI and CT scans as well as EEGs and other tests. More than once I have been asked if I would consider undergo different types of exams/tests. According to the doctors, the tests and med records almost all of the front half of my brain was destroyed. I have no activity in parietal, temporal or frontal lobes (both sides) and they cannot explain it. I just smile when they say these things because I still remember the light, seeing my grandmother who passed away in 1978, her telling me "not yet, too soon, Penny (my wife) needs you". I also remember as if it was just a few minutes ago hearing "GO BACK, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE YET. I HAVE THINGS FOR YOU TO DO, GO BACK".

I have been asked many times to speak at different churches and to different Christian groups and it has been suggested that I should write a book about my experiences - there have been many more than just what I talk about here. some people ask me if I am a believer.... I just smile and say NO... I AM KNOWER - I HAVE NO DOUBT".

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   16:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: 2big2fail (#11)

and god is not Great (Christopher Hitchens).

I disagree with Hitchens characterization of himself as an atheist. On the contrary, his writings prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his god is the government.

Christians have stoutly opposed women's sovereignty over their own bodies, tyrannising public policy on abortion, as the atheists would see it.

I also disagree with this "atheists believe this" and "atheists believe that" BS. Like Christians themselves, atheist beliefs are all over the board. For instance, I am against abortion, yet I am an atheist, or at least highly agnostic. I am against abortion because I believe that "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" applies to the unborn as much as it does the born. I believe that "pro-choice" is a euphemism for "irresponsibility." The choice was made when the legs were spread. Living with the consequences of that choice is called responsibility. A woman should have no more right to murder an unborn baby than I do to murder a liberal.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-02   16:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#13)

An interesting experience, a worthy story, and a lesson all in one. I think this type of experience should settle one thing, but the scoffers will still scoff, that you are not your body you are your spirit, and you reside within a body, but that body is not you the person.

That also was the message of the resurrection. You are your spirit and you do not HAVE a soul, you ARE your soul. You are a spiritual being in a material world, as are we all. The scoffers may well scoff but that does not change the reality.

I am also reminded of a young englishman, a Cambridge Graduate in Mathematics (and still living so far as I know), who drove the establishment Brainologists to distraction because he had no brain. Literally he was born without a brain and which was proved by x-rays. Yet there he was, as happy as any other person with a brain and significantly brighter than most, and yet he had no brain. The best the "you are your body and your brain" crowd could come up with is that "it's all being done in his brain stem". Uh huh. Sure.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   17:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)

A woman should have no more right to murder an unborn baby than I do to murder a liberal.

Excuse me?

Babies are innocents and are presumed to be without guilt.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   17:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales.

My philosophy is that of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Let me add to that, that if he does exist, he's a monstrous great bastard and I want nothing to do with him.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-02   19:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Excuse me?

Babies are innocents and are presumed to be without guilt.

I have to say that your point is well taken.

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noone222  posted on  2010-02-02   19:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#10)

Is that from the Avatar movie?

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tom007  posted on  2010-02-02   20:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Samuel Gray, all (#17)

Atheist, bordering on militant, in that I believe the world would be infinitely better governed by reason than by idiotic adherents to Bronze Age fairy tales.

My philosophy is that of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Quod erat demonstrandum.

And with any such logically fallacious argument of this category presenting another alternative invalidates the argument to whit: God specifically does not intervene because we were granted free will and self determinism. It is our responsibility to rise above the evil and to create a civilization worthy of the name. To demand of God that he solve our problems for us is abdicate responsibility for our actions. That is why I am so derisive of the rupture nuts as theirs is simply another excuse for avoiding responsibility.

Q.E.D.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   20:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

Most humans from back in antiquity until now, prefer to believe in or desire there be a divine being. The degree of their belief is the dividing point, from atheism to extremism.

Religion and science agree on one point of their arguments, that is, very basic religion God always was, the scientist says matter always was, and from there they diverge.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-02   20:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tom007 (#19)

?

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-02   20:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

The extremes on any subject are often times equally wrong. From rejection to ecstasy is one point on the same circle.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-02   20:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#10)

Whoever that is is going just a wee bit heavy on that black gunk on her eyes.

Speaking of eyes, what's up with those rectangular pupils? That's weird.

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Esso  posted on  2010-02-02   20:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#23)

Once had two friends, one a scientist, the other a PHD in theology.

One knew there was no such thing as a God, the other knew full well there was.

The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-02   20:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Esso (#24)

It really isn't so much about "Christians" or the false prophets that is imbued in contemporary ministries. Nope. Nothing to do with any of that.

It is about the people that believe in false prophets; similar to the political charlatans that believe in "Democrats" or "Republicans."

"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976

buckeroo  posted on  2010-02-02   20:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#13)

That's an awesome story...thank you for sharing.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-02-02   20:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Atheism was probably the biggest mistake I made in my younger years (college and about 5-6 years afterwards). It made one family relationship much more stressful than it ever should have been and it was my own sense of infallible knowledge that was at fault. Now I am agnostic but I respect Christianity.

Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle

purpleman  posted on  2010-02-02   21:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom. all (#25)

The scientist friend was fairly regular at church however, his explanation, I want to make sure.

Hedging your bets is never a bad idea.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   21:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I believe that loving God with one's being and treating my neighbor as I desire to be treated are the two supreme laws.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-02-02   21:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: bluegrass (#30)

Perfect point - those are the only two laws that Christ added to the Ten Commandments.

If followed, there would be no need for any other of our rules, laws, or regulations.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#31)

Amen, brother. It's simple common sense, eh?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-02-02   21:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: bluegrass. all (#32)

As stupid as we became after eating from the tree of knowledge, He had to make it pretty simple for us.

And even today, we still don't get it.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   22:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#27)

Thanks. There is much more but it would take numerous posts. One of these days I am going to write the whole thing down and save it so I can just post it.

One of the things I believe HE has for me to do is share my testimony. There have been a few odd things.... like I can no longer smell or taste food because the olfactory (sp) nerves were all severed. The one thing that probably bothers me more than anything is the doctors explained that the damage destroyed the function of the amygdala, hypothalamus and all the parts of the frontal lobes that control emotions. It has gotten better over the years but I still have problems with anger and depression. The anger will quickly come in less than a few seconds and sometimes I become outraged and quite vocal (as one of my bosses learned a few years ago as well as a few of those on the Organizing For America-Obama site LOL) but fortunately it usually subsides within a minute or so. The saddness and depression often last much longer.

But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.

Take care.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#31)

If you follow those two it is not possible to break any of the 10 Commandments.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes, I follow Christ the best I can. As Lod pointed out, the two great commandments are what anyone really needs to focus on. Everything else takes care of itself after that. The rest is bait and I'll bite.

That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws.

Is really one question, and a loaded one at that. Until the invention of the printing press, it was rare for the common person to possess a copy of Scripture. I doubt most local parishes would have had complete copies either. An awful lot of people got "saved" during those days did they not? Amazing how many people were churched up without a pocket Bible being toted around for many, many centuries. Hit any Catholic or Orthodox forum and you'll find healthy debates to whether or not the Canon of Scripture has ever been fully closed. Then there is the whole separate issue regarding the deuterocanonicals. Holy Scripture makes it clear "Scripture Alone" does not contain the whole of divine revelation, BUT, it IS the supreme expression of God's revelation to the human race. St Paul states in his letters to remember the traditions handed down/taught by word of mouth or by letter by the Apostles themselves. St Paul mentions the two Egyptian magicians by name who stood against Moses, but their names are not recorded in the Old Testament. St Luke in the Book of Acts records St Paul quoting Christ saying it is better to give than receive. Good luck finding that one in the Gospels. As for contradictions or flaws, that makes for an interesting Google search. St Mark and St John record two different times for the crucifixion. Of course none of this begins to touch the many Bibles out there today with the vast array of translations and all the flaws therein.

That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand? Do you really want to turn God into a sadistic, evil, wrathful, vengeful deity who looks forward to punishing His creation just because He can? So said South American tribesman comes to God and says I've never heard of your or Christ. I never had the opportunity. God says off to Hell with you, you sorry slothful person! (I) said Christ is the only way to heaven and you never got that message from Me. No exceptions. Well, it sure sucks to be you today. Hell awaits, off you go! Really? Really? I tried defending that position at one time and it fails miserably on it's face as the atheists are dead on in this regard.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-02-03   1:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: scooter (#36)

If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell

Actually there is somewhere in scripture that mentions that those who have not received the word and do the things in the word naturally would be saved. That is a paraphrase.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

hey stone do Jews believe in Christ?

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-02-03   8:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itistoolate (#38)

Hey tolate is the Bible true?

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37) (Edited)

never mind


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   8:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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