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Title: Christian Count.....Just Curious
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Published: Feb 2, 2010
Author: AKA
Post Date: 2010-02-02 12:48:21 by A K A Stone
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Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

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Perfect point - those are the only two laws that Christ added to the Ten Commandments.

If followed, there would be no need for any other of our rules, laws, or regulations.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Amen, brother. It's simple common sense, eh?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2010-02-02   21:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As stupid as we became after eating from the tree of knowledge, He had to make it pretty simple for us.

And even today, we still don't get it.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-02   22:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. There is much more but it would take numerous posts. One of these days I am going to write the whole thing down and save it so I can just post it.

One of the things I believe HE has for me to do is share my testimony. There have been a few odd things.... like I can no longer smell or taste food because the olfactory (sp) nerves were all severed. The one thing that probably bothers me more than anything is the doctors explained that the damage destroyed the function of the amygdala, hypothalamus and all the parts of the frontal lobes that control emotions. It has gotten better over the years but I still have problems with anger and depression. The anger will quickly come in less than a few seconds and sometimes I become outraged and quite vocal (as one of my bosses learned a few years ago as well as a few of those on the Organizing For America-Obama site LOL) but fortunately it usually subsides within a minute or so. The saddness and depression often last much longer.

But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.

Take care.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you follow those two it is not possible to break any of the 10 Commandments.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-02-02   23:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just curious who would consider themselves a christian. Under this definition. That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws. That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes, I follow Christ the best I can. As Lod pointed out, the two great commandments are what anyone really needs to focus on. Everything else takes care of itself after that. The rest is bait and I'll bite.

That there is a God and he did write the Bible. Or that it was inspired by him. That his word is perfect and without flaws.

Is really one question, and a loaded one at that. Until the invention of the printing press, it was rare for the common person to possess a copy of Scripture. I doubt most local parishes would have had complete copies either. An awful lot of people got "saved" during those days did they not? Amazing how many people were churched up without a pocket Bible being toted around for many, many centuries. Hit any Catholic or Orthodox forum and you'll find healthy debates to whether or not the Canon of Scripture has ever been fully closed. Then there is the whole separate issue regarding the deuterocanonicals. Holy Scripture makes it clear "Scripture Alone" does not contain the whole of divine revelation, BUT, it IS the supreme expression of God's revelation to the human race. St Paul states in his letters to remember the traditions handed down/taught by word of mouth or by letter by the Apostles themselves. St Paul mentions the two Egyptian magicians by name who stood against Moses, but their names are not recorded in the Old Testament. St Luke in the Book of Acts records St Paul quoting Christ saying it is better to give than receive. Good luck finding that one in the Gospels. As for contradictions or flaws, that makes for an interesting Google search. St Mark and St John record two different times for the crucifixion. Of course none of this begins to touch the many Bibles out there today with the vast array of translations and all the flaws therein.

That Jesus is Gods only son and the only way to heaven.

Yes and it depends. To whom much is given, much is expected. If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell because they cannot/did not acknowledge Christ and none are without an excuse. Do you really want to take that stand? Do you really want to turn God into a sadistic, evil, wrathful, vengeful deity who looks forward to punishing His creation just because He can? So said South American tribesman comes to God and says I've never heard of your or Christ. I never had the opportunity. God says off to Hell with you, you sorry slothful person! (I) said Christ is the only way to heaven and you never got that message from Me. No exceptions. Well, it sure sucks to be you today. Hell awaits, off you go! Really? Really? I tried defending that position at one time and it fails miserably on it's face as the atheists are dead on in this regard.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2010-02-03   1:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you take things literally without any proper context, then you have to come to the conclusion a South American tribe who has never had any contact with the outside world are all condemned to an everlasting Hell

Actually there is somewhere in scripture that mentions that those who have not received the word and do the things in the word naturally would be saved. That is a paraphrase.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hey stone do Jews believe in Christ?

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-02-03   8:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey tolate is the Bible true?

www.libertysflame.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-03   8:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

never mind

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   8:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   9:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But, to be honest, I have virtually no regret with respect to the accident and what happened. As I said before, I no longer just believe - I am 100% sure/positive.

I have the same attitude toward my accident and also agree with the rest of your statement here.

I have to say it made me LESS fundamentalist, though. I had been attending a Southern Baptist church for a long time prior to that, but the experiences I had when I left my body were all about entering a realm of pure love which really cannot be described by the earthly religion I had been caught up in.

I also thank you for sharing that amazing story of what happened to you. I suffered no permanent damage from what happened to me and I only lost consciousness for a brief period of time. In fact, the guy who had heard the thud and came out of his house to see what had happened out in the street (he was watching a pro football game at the time; it was a Sunday afternoon) said he had to keep me from trying to get up out of the ditch I'd landed in. That's what my body reflexively wanted to do. I have no memory of that and wouldn't have been able to get far with a pelvis broken in three places anyhow. Then the collapsed lung began to affect the oxygen level in my brain and that's when I probably lost consciousness for a while.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2010-02-03   9:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   9:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   9:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   9:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Seriously, she's also the precise type that both Jesus and Paul spoke about negatively who were false sheep/prophets.

Right on ... it's hypocrites that have so dulled the two-edged sword.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-03   9:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   10:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you guys familiar with the historicity and translation history of the Bible?

Just ask because it doesn't sound like it.

Which version is the perfect one?

That is what I asked, because I am somewhat familiar with the translation history of the Bible.

So, since you are evidently so familiar with this, since you question my familiarity with it, I'll ask you which one is the perfect "inerrant" version?

Now I fully expect you to ignore that question by trying to distract by asking about the "Magna Carta for example? Do you believe that they mean what they say? If so, then why, in contrast? What about "ancient Egyptian writings?" Same questions. "...

You won't answer because you can't. That's the real reason why. Because your answer will lead to more questions that you will find somewhat uncomfortable to contemplate and will tend to piss you off.

Here it is again: which version is the perfect "inerrant" version?

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   10:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   10:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, sorry, I cannot sum up years of personal study in a single post on a thread for you.

I'll take your answer to have been no then.

And quit getting so emotional. It's unbecoming.

It's a very simple question.

Which version of the Bible is the perfect inerrant version?

It only takes a one line response. No need to "sum up years of personal study in a single post on a thread for you." What a wonderful distraction that was. Very creative. But not unexpected.

See? I told you that you would not answer it. Perhaps you'll reconsider??? For the benefit of the others here? Do it for them, not for me.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   11:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   12:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   12:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Allow me to rephrase the question;

No I will not allow that.

On the OP I responded to, and I quote:

That his word is perfect and without flaws.

So, I then asked which version was the perfect version.

Then, you responded to me, in a way that made no sense but was an attempt to distract.

Anyone can read it to see if I am lying here. It's all out in the open.

Then, when I asked again, you attempted to distract some more.

So, you named 2. Pick one. Which one is perfect? They aren't the same. Even the almighty KJV, the one most say is the perfect one, has undergone many revisions in both the books included and in the translations made.

You say "predetermined that God is not omniscient nor omnipotent". I said no such thing. I never even hinted at it. More distractions.

I find this to be typical. It is why I knew that you would not answer the question. Christians make these silly assertions, but when called on it, never respond. They just try and change the topic.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   12:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BTW, your position has been made more than clear over the years.

We know that you disbelieve in the Living God and that will rarely if ever (never say never) provide much specific objective or otherwise hard data spawned by your personal knowledge or study of the Bible.

So how is it that you're an expert on it/them?

Well well well. What have we here?

BTW, your position has been made more than clear over the years.

Really? I didn't know I have been on this board for that long. How time flies!

We know that you disbelieve in the Living God

"We"?

and that will rarely if ever (never say never) provide much specific objective or otherwise hard data spawned by your personal knowledge or study of the Bible.

Answer my question and I will be happy to. I just need to know what the perfect version is.

So how is it that you're an expert on it/them?

I never said or hinted that I was an expert. Since when does it take an expert?

You continue to distract.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-03   12:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I refuse to be drawn into theological discussions because the ones posing them inevitably fit Churchills description of a fanatic - as "someone who can't change their mind and won't change the subject".

As well one is usually confronted with the "If'n you don't believe exactly as I do the you's a heathen" argument. Another one of those interminably boring, close minded, and aggravating lines of discussion.

Makes the Truth harder to be known too. Because you'll get people like that on every side of a theological debate; the result is one comes away more confused. I'm only certain right now that my own Catholic faith is somewhat off Track...

Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html

"The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime."

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-02-03   13:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But if anything, and while there are many many supposed christians that are woefully inept at describing/explaining why/what they even believe,

I would think that frequently describes the "rank and file" of most religions. People often take up a religion for no reason other than that they were raised in it by their parents etc., ... Given that Christianity, per Ian Punnit's comment on his radio program, has thirty some odd thousand different Christian Sects each with their own interpretation it is not surprising to me that people get confused about what exactly Christian beliefs are. There are some, the Hageeistians come to mind, who even deny the divinity of Christ. If one studies a bit of history and what early Christians believed then what it has become the two are related but not that closely. The Nestorian Church is probably the closest to the original Christianity. Since the Council of Nicea in 325 we've had interpretations, reinterpretations, modifications, and and entire litany of differing personal beliefs hung on to the Christ Mass Tree (a tradition founded upon the Roman Church's attempts to convert the Pagans who celebrated the Winter Solstice).

They get their "info" from people, such as here, with someone floating some nonsensical notion that is supposedly Biblical yet far from it, yet the context in which it is understood, or even the principle itself, are far from reality or truth yet have been cemented as facts in that person's mind.

I think Josh Billings aptly summed that up: (from memory so may not be exact):

"The problem is not what people don't know but what they do know that ain't so."

Most of the most ardent believers that I've come across, including myself, have a religious history but have forsaken it at some point to have become agnostic or otherwise inactive in matters of faith as it were, but have over the years of their lives studied diligently the Scriptures, history otherwise, and have questioned their own existence and come to the only logical conclusion that exists leaving all of the others sounding like trite fairy tales.

What I do know with certainty, and I will go no further, is:

There is a God.

Christ once walked the earth delivering a message of love and eternal life.

If one leads one's life with consideration of others, and acknowledges the Father to his realm and place then the rest is dogma and details, and frequently mis-interpreted dogma and details.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-03   13:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Makes the Truth harder to be known too. Because you'll get people like that on every side of a theological debate; the result is one comes away more confused. I'm only certain right now that my own Catholic faith is somewhat off Track...

The first step to finding the truth is to be aware that it exists.

Of course then you have to look for it. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-03   13:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-03   13:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Society today, religiously speaking, is a carbon copy of what's gone on for centuries. The Roman Catholic Church today has replaced the same Jewish religious institution that Christ declared "desolate" in Matt. 23. It has rebuilt and refreshed itself.

I believe Fr. Malachi Martin came to the same conclusion and thus his book: "Windwept House".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-02-03   13:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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