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Title: Fate of Obama's Aunt in Judge's Hands
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... 6:g2:r2:c0.136936:b30243392:z0
Published: Feb 4, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-02-04 11:40:47 by scrapper2
Keywords: Obama, Obama
Views: 804
Comments: 87
BOSTON -- President Barack Obama's African aunt is going before an immigration judge for a second time to argue she should be allowed to stay in the United States. Kenya native Zeituni Onyango is scheduled to appear Thursday in U.S. Immigration Court in Boston. Onyango moved to the United States in 2000. Her first asylum request was rejected. She was ordered deported in 2004. But she didn't leave the country and continued to live in public housing in Boston. Her status as an illegal immigrant was revealed just days before Obama was elected. Obama says he didn't know his aunt was living in the country illegally. He says laws covering the situation should be followed. A judge agreed to reopen the asylum case.
Poster Comment: "She was ordered deported in 2004. But she didn't leave the country and continued to live in public housing in Boston." Obama's aunt has disregarded a deportation decision from a JUDGE and continued to live ILLEGALLY in this country for 6 years on the US TAXPAYERS' DIME. How many of us could ignore a judge and live happily ever after without paying a cent for our upkeep?
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#47. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
????? Speak English, please.
Mike, you seem somewhat blind to reality. Unless it is your argument that your hero is quite insane then you have to know that there is something very wrong somewhere in his obstinate refusal to produce his long form birth certificate. Do sane people who have to prove their qualifications, and who know that before they apply for the job, then spend 2 million dollars or more to keep from proving their qualifications? Not unless they are insane. As for the "Christian Church" he attended, that is one of the biggest lies he has told--he is NOT an "American Christian" or any kind of Christian. Actual Christian pastors do not stand in the pulpit (or anywhere else) and take God's name in vain like Jeremiah Wright did (and probably does with some regularity). His violation of his oath of office and his expansion of wars that we shouldn't even be fighting anyway proves that he is not a Christian. And I strongly suspect that if there is another farce of an election in 2012 and your hero gets (s)elected again, he will most likely announce that he is a Muslim.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This was paradise before Columbus, it is a nightmare here since then. Our culture has zero respect for the land, it's plants and animals. Simple enough?
He does seem to have an unusually large blind spot where his hero is concerned. Even trying to make people believe that he (Obama) attended a "Christian church." There doesn't seem to be any verifiable record of that (since that building where Jeremiah Wright does all that whitey hating is not a "Christian church"--not even close).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I reject the notion that because you hate Barack Obama and because Jeremiah Wright has opinions not ready for prime time that the church he belonged to in Chicago was evil. Your hyperboyle makes an amusing read, but is shy on reality.
I don't "hate" your hero, just Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Say what? How are the crimes of Columbus era explorers against Native American Indians relevant to the subject under discussion - ie welfare freeloading illegal immigrants like Auntie Zeituni costing American taxpayers, like you and me, $2.2 TRILLION over their lifetimes? Postscript: If environment is so important to you, then you should care about the very real deleterious effects of illegal immigration on our environment - excessive pollution, over use of fossil fuels, population congestion, wanton ecological destruction on the southern borders, etc, etc.
Here's a little taste of Mexico, Mike.
Save your breath, scrapper. It's not the "environment" that is of importance to all those that holler about it. The "environment" is just a drum they beat to drown out the process of reasonable thought. It has nothing to do with the environment per se.
As he said in it, he does not buy Wright's diatribes that are very objectionable, and it is very common an experiance for many to not agree with everything their pastor says and believes. No sale on that point. The argument you cite was made and successfully rebuked by the president a long time ago. Oh,BullBarack! I KNOW you are too smart to really believe that shit. The Rev-Rund Wright is nothing more than a off-white version of David Duke,and you know it. You only excuse it because he is semi-black and your dogma demands you accept it. That whole freaking church was nothing more than a moca Stormfront with a tax exemption.
Simple enough? ROFLMAO! Where did you get your history education from,Disney and Karl Marx? You obviously don't have the first bleeping clue as to the reality that existed here,including slavery,organized genocide,etc,etc,etc.
He is so dogmatic PC he married a black woman. They are divorced now,but you just KNOW they married to make a political statement.
I'm sure you can be even simpler. Or should I say simplistic? It is as fully simple as all the other deconstructionist and mal-thusian nonsense that we are subjected to on a regular basis from your quarter. Lay it on. We're getting quite used it.
Yeah, I imagine so. Sad that someone thinks they have to go that far to make a statement.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Propaganda and whinage.
I didnt think so.
Ferret Mike: Propaganda and whinage. Uh...got it...you are unable to answer my question because your pro-illegal immigration stance is in conflict with your pro-greenie position. That's fine. Carry on.
Mine is a perspective of motivation for making the mess. Desperate people on the move is different to me than those despoiling out of greed. It is a perspective of degree, size and scope of damage. On the whole, the mess they make is ugly, but easily cleaned. Not so with pollution, over building and other desecration of the landscape that is deep, persistent and permanently destroys everything. It is a perspective of why the pollution is publicized. Namely, those publishing the pictures and whining don't give a shit about the pollution, their target is people. I spent a long time on LP posting in good faith trying to present my belief system, opinions and views honestly in a way that contributed. I was banned because I dared disagree with Sally that illegal immigration was the horror and crime of the era. I am so fucking sick of whining and hair shirt fashions, and hate and ignorance in regard to immigration. Someone does not like Mexicans, fuck them. That is my perspective. Fuck them, I am sick of the idiotic issue.
Tell us how good illegal immigration is, Mike.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1976
Weasel, do us (Hell, do the world a favor) a favor and drink a gallon of bleach You'll feel better, I guarantee it
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
That is one of the most delusional comments I have ever read.
Fuck your Mom.
Well you like illegal immigration. I mean, if our ancestors didn't invade these contenents and destroy the cultures already here, overbreed like flies and destroy most of the land and it's plants and animals you couldn't whine at me right now very well; now could you?
Well Critter, he was getting heat, he rebuked it well enough to defuse the issue enough to get elected by a landslide. Perhaps by the standard of your belief system that stands as 'delusional,' but not on the basis of results.
You're just sick of getting your butt whipped. Why do you hang around??
Heh, Butt whipped? When did that happen? I don't go into a full bore argumentive modality because the demographic of who posts here. So I never ever feel stomped on. I like some of the folks in here whether I agree with them or not, and I get perspective here I can't get at DU, Smirking Chimp or KOS. That quote was from a rare vent post I have not done in here for a long time. I wouldn't take something I wrote late at night when tired with low blood sugar with ferrets out of the ferret run making attack sorties on my bare feet too seriously. I am the fire and forget sort of venter anyway. ;-D
Vent on, Mike. It's still a free country of a sort.
Weasel Sorry, my Mom never screwed mudpeople, I know, I asked her. Now, your Mom...well that was an entirely different story. ROTFLMAO at you mudboy
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
Desperate people on the move is different to me than those despoiling out of greed. Yet you have no problem whining about water shortages and over development that is detrimental to the earth. How noble that you make distinctions on what sore of despoiling is okay and what is not. How about those illegal aliens who commit crimes against citizens? How about those who are desperate to form gangs and sell dope? How about Americans who are desparate to find work? Why should the desparate illegal aliens despoil opportunities for citizens to feed their families? You do realize we have 20 million out of work and about 20 million illegals in the country, right?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I have a Mexican friend who's a great bass player. I asked him (just last week) why all Mexicans couldn't be like him. He laughed like it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard. Imagine if all of Compton were to be placed in Mexico and Mexicans were told that the horde in their midst were "Americans". If this was Bush's aunt or Cheney's aunt, would Obama's army be as relaxed about the whole thing?
Well you see, I look at it from a different perspective. We are all on this blue bubble of a planet together and I don't feel anyone of any nationality is better or worse than any other hairless primate wandering around on the one fifth the planet that is land. I am only concerned with humans getting their population in check. I care to see the growth in numbers to reverse and for us to get down to a reasonable presence on this planet. I view people whining about illegals as someone worrying about the horses getting out of the paddock and into the field through a small side gate they want shut while all the time the main gate is wide open. All this side bar issues concerning where people go takes care of itself if humans lived in harmony with other life forms and stopped being a cancerous blight on this mud ball. Not only that, but many of these folks are enticed into the U.S. by well capitalized and empowered people who want to play one population off on another to reduce what they pay anyone to work any job, and to reduce the threat of unionization. And until I see people like you taking after these folks that are left alone as their connections, power and money make them a threat to anyone taking them on with at least the same vigor as the relatively powerless and poor Mexicans, you don't have a whit of sympathy from me on the issue. I have no patience with the game of cowardly bullying people. make it a well informed, all out fight that takes on the political and business interests that encourage illegal immigration, and I suddenly would take that very serious.
On this, you're utterly correct. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the money powers have used population transfer (in all its forms) as a means of financing the debt of their debtor nations and as a means of political control. The best means of population control is war as it also entails increasing the debt of the vassal states while also getting rid of those pesky nations that are onto the scam: kulaks, Muslims, Eastern European Jews (they were Jewish hillbillies in the eyes of their Zionist Bankster cousins), certain Americans, etc. I don't fault poor ass Mexicans for being forced into their economic lot. I do fault them when they act like criminals in their host nation.
By virtue of supporting people being in this country ILLEGALLY to work, you support these greedy corporations you claim to despise. You support the power play instead of support the laws of the land, just as the corporations that want cheap labor do. When you support illegals being in this country to work these jobs, you support suppressed wages for the Americans. When you support desparate illegals being in this country to work these jobs, you support non-unionization because illegals can't unionize. Until people like you see that your bleeding heart position supports exactly what you claim to despise, you don't have a whit of sympathy from me on the issue. I have no patience with paying for illegals. And amnesty will not even begin to address this issue. Nor will it address the 20 million Americans out of work who could use those jobs AND help bring in better wages. BTW, I support e-verify wherein corporations pay for hiring illegals.......do you? Or do you oppose making these corporations abide by the law because they hire desparate illegals?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What portion of the population has the highest birthrate? Wouldn't the population of the US be in better check with 12-20 million less people? Why aren't we allowing only highly skilled workers into our nation, as other nations do? Because people like you support the corporations hiring these "desparate" workers so that their wages can be suppressed. If population is your concern, you must be pro-war. Perhaps mother earth will provide more natural disasters to alleviate your population concerns.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Well, you see I planted trees and did other work in the forest up here that used to pay well. My job was taken by immigrants and this game the politicians, businessmen and bankers played pitting me against my brothers from the south has lowered the wage dramatically. I am too damn smart to be engaged in a tail chasing game of self infuriated resentment and rage at someone who is the other side of the coin of victim hood on this situation. I am good friends with several who were part of the early influx costing me my job and know them and their lovely families well. I don't let the power elite manipulate me into becoming a hostage to the emotions of jealousy and rage. And I am here to tell you, that will never happen. I support amnesty too by the way.
Wouldn't the population of the US be in better check with 12-20 million less people? Why aren't we allowing only highly skilled workers into our nation, as other nations do? Because people like you support the corporations hiring these "desperate" workers so that their wages can be suppressed. If population is your concern, you must be pro-war. Perhaps mother earth will provide more natural disasters to alleviate your population concerns." Yes, I have taken Sociology 101 and know all about how population growth evolved in countries as they get educated and developed, and for example move toward producing goods more then just exporting raw materials. The Earth's population bomb is everyone's problem, not just ours' or Mexico's'. And yes, we could use less people here, and I would like to see attrition by means of normal human mortality rather then by fomenting wars to kill people off. I would also say that by going after the immigrants and not the corporations, it is the anti-immigration folks who support what the politicians, businessmen and bankers do because they are cowards and take on the easy to bully targets. Finger point that way at me all you want, all I have to do is to hold up a mirror to show that is all you are doing on the issue yourself.
By supporting e-verify I am doing something about those corporations, Mike. I note that you ignore that question entirely, as you do supporting these desparate people coming here to work for these corporations and suppressing wages in the process. I finger point that what you blame others for supporting, you support yourself. You don't want these people to be documented. You wouldn't want them to lose their jobs at these corporations you claim to despise. You continue to claim others are not going after corporations, but I have stated on three posts now that I support through action going after them.........while you offer nothing but finger pointing on this issue.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I took part in the WTO riots in Seattle, and have been active in several advocacies that deal with what big business does. I also might add that I nearly died when I was pulled out of a tree sit protesting the building of a Nike Store locally too falling 36 feet to the pavement, suffering broken bones, skull and suffering a coma for about a week. I refuse to get drawn into class warfare like the politicians, businessmen and bankers want be to do. I have had hard feelings aplenty over my job loss. Fortunately for me however, I am too smart to be made into someone who does the tail chasing of the victims on the other side of the coin. As far as what I do, I am still an activist and still politically active. I am sure I am read too by people I don't like; so I am not going to get any more specific then this in regards to what I do to pass the time of day in reference to this. Call that a cop out if you wish, it is not going to bother me.
How did this fiasco impact corporations one iota? Did your falling out of the tree and nearly killing yourself make NIKE turn tale and run? Or did the store open as scheduled? I think it is much safer and far more productive to harrass your representatives regarding e-verify. Tree sitting--what has that ever accomplished other than making more money for the medical industrial complex when you nearly kill yourself?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I would say this is distilled down into a pissing contest. I know when I was younger I sure had more hope at changing things through strong, pro-active effort then I do at age 55. But rather then playing my activist penis is larger than yours is games, I would just rather note you do what you feel you can as do I. One thing I do that is safe to talk about is my work as an anit-recruiter for Oregon Peaceworks. Several veterans and me go out and answer truthfully why military service is a mistake to any youngsters who care to come up to our table and ask. I do other stuff, but there is nothing like the glow one gets when you save a young life from making the military mistake.
No pissing match from me. I should hope your activist penis is larger considering I have no penis to toss into the discussion. I simply asked what your tree sitting accomplished other than contributing to the medical industrial complex. From your diversion, I will assume that the Nike Store opened on schedule. In fact, other than addressing the specific issue of activism in relation to corporations and illegal immigration....I've not tooted my own horn at all. Meanwhile, your tales about your tree sitting and WTO sit in and arrests and such continued unabated, which all seem like pissing in the wind to me. : ) Piss on and on and on. Guess you were in a one manned pissing contest, Mike....lol.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'm sorry, but the people who hurt the original inhabitants greatly by rubbing them out to destroy the beauty and greatness of the various biomes of this Continent's crisis about immigration is just high comedy to me.
#48. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
Lord Acton
#49. To: scrapper2 (#47)
#50. To: sneakypete, Ferret Mike (#44)
Mike will never accept that. In his mind,Bubba Barry HAS to be better because he is both a Dim and black. Believing anything else would destroy the whole foundation his political beliefs rests on.
Lord Acton
#51. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
#52. To: Ferret Mike (#51)
think know he is a con man and a fraud who should be impeached and put in prison like other criminals. Neither do I think the pastor of his so-called "church" is a Christian.
Lord Acton
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
This was paradise before Columbus, it is a nightmare here since then. Our culture has zero respect for the land, it's plants and animals.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
#55. To: scrapper2 (#53)
If environment is so important to you
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
I listened to President Obama's long talk on his former pastor and church -- which is still on You Tube -- back when and then again last week.
By bender138 at 2009-06-25
#57. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
This was paradise before Columbus, it is a nightmare here since then. Our culture has zero respect for the land, it's plants and animals.
#58. To: James Deffenbach, Ferret Mike (#50)
He does seem to have an unusually large blind spot where his hero is concerned.
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#49)
Simple enough?
#60. To: sneakypete (#58)
He is so dogmatic PC he married a black woman. They are divorced now,but you just KNOW they married to make a political statement.
Lord Acton
#61. To: scrapper2 (#53)
"Postscript: If environment is so important to you, then you should care about the very real deleterious effects of illegal immigration on our environment - excessive pollution, over use of fossil fuels, population congestion, wanton ecological destruction on the southern borders, etc, etc."
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
Propaganda and whinage.
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
scrapper2: If environment is so important to you, then you should care about the very real deleterious effects of illegal immigration on our environment - excessive pollution, over use of fossil fuels, population congestion, wanton ecological destruction on the southern borders, etc, etc.
#64. To: scrapper2 (#63)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
#66. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
(Edited)
I am so fucking sick of whining and hair shirt fashions,
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
successfully rebuked
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#68. To: Flintlock (#66)
#69. To: buckeroo (#65)
#70. To: Critter (#67)
#71. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
I am so fucking sick of whining and hair shirt fashions, and hate and ignorance in regard to immigration.
#72. To: randge (#71)
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
#74. To: Ferret Mike, the Weasel mudboy (#68)
Fuck your Mom.
#75. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
I am so fucking sick of whining and hair shirt fashions, and hate and ignorance in regard to immigration.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
Someone does not like Mexicans, fuck them.
#77. To: abraxas (#75)
#78. To: Ferret Mike (#77)
but many of these folks are enticed into the U.S. by well capitalized and empowered people who want to play one population off on another to reduce what they pay anyone to work any job, and to reduce the threat of unionization.
#79. To: Ferret Mike (#77)
Not only that, but many of these folks are enticed into the U.S. by well capitalized and empowered people who want to play one population off on another to reduce what they pay anyone to work any job, and to reduce the threat of unionization.
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)
I am only concerned with humans getting their population in check
#81. To: abraxas (#79)
#82. To: abraxas (#80)
"What portion of the population has the highest birthrate?
#83. To: Ferret Mike (#82)
#84. To: abraxas (#83)
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#84)
(Edited)
I also might add that I nearly died when I was pulled out of a tree sit protesting the building of a Nike Store locally too falling 36 feet to the pavement, suffering broken bones, skull and suffering a coma for about a week.
#86. To: abraxas (#85)
#87. To: Ferret Mike (#86)
I would say this is distilled down into a pissing contest. I know when I was younger I sure had more hope at changing things through strong, pro-active effort then I do at age 55.
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