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Title: Losing Our Religion, By State Order
Source: townhall.com
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Kath ... g_our_religion,_by_state_order
Published: Feb 6, 2010
Author: Kathryn Lopez
Post Date: 2010-02-06 10:01:37 by Eric Stratton
Keywords: None
Views: 200
Comments: 8

Losing Our Religion, By State Order
Kathryn Lopez
Friday, February 05, 2010

Even with its centuries-old roots throughout the region, is Christianity history in the West?

In a speech at the Catholic University of America, in Washington, D.C., the visiting archbishop of Vienna, Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, warned that "trends questioning the Christian foundation of Europe, and aggressively opposing it, are becoming stronger in several countries and in the European political arena in general.

"Christianity is for many a foreign element in a world determined by reason, enlightenment and democratic principles," he asserted. Interestingly it's this "foreign element" that Cardinal Schonborn sees as essential to Christianity's role in the modern world: "Europe can only play its role in the concert of world cultures when it retains Christianity, this foreign body, as a part of its identity."

Across the pond, the British seemed to get the message, setting aside legislation that would put unprecedented restrictions on religious freedom in the name of a spurious liberty. It probably helped that the Brits were shepherded by the pope himself; during a gathering of bishops from England and Wales in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI heralded the UK's "firm commitment to equality of opportunity for all members of society." But he had critical words for pending UK legislation that could compel religious organizations to make hiring choices in conflict with their beliefs. "In some respects it actually violates the natural law upon which the equality of all human beings is grounded, and by which it is guaranteed," he said.

Mandates proposed by what is erroneously called the "equality bill" would remove existing exemptions for religious organizations on employment and services. Catholic officials in Britain believe that they could be forced to ordain women to the priesthood -- an untenable position for the Church and one that the government certainly has no business forcing it into.

The bill has been referred to as "an existential threat" to Christian churches in Europe. Sir Jonathan Sacks, the chief rabbi in the United Kingdom, said: "When Christians, Jews and others feel that the ideology of human rights is threatening their freedoms of association and religious practice, a tension is set in motion that is not healthy for society, freedom or Britain."

In the wake of the papal rebuke, Britain has put a stop to this -- for now.

But the attitudes expressed in the bill are not foreign to us here in America. President Barack Obama's nominee for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a Georgetown University professor named Chai Feldblum, wrote in 2006: "Just as we do not tolerate private racial beliefs that adversely affect African-Americans in the commercial arena, even if such beliefs are based on religious views, we should similarly not tolerate private beliefs about sexual orientation and gender identity that adversely affect LGBT people." Feldblum believes that there is a "zero-sum game" being played between religious freedom and the homosexual activists, in which "a gain for one side necessarily entails a corresponding loss for the other side." Religious liberty, in Feldblum's estimation, must give.

This conversation about religious liberty, homosexuality and the definition of rights will be a prominent one this term as the U.S. Supreme Court takes up Christian Legal Society v. Martinez, in which it will decide whether religious groups on college campuses must be open to students who do not share their beliefs. The Court will decide, in other words, whether we're still free to associate or not.

The conflict between religious liberty versus LGBT activists doesn't have to be this fraught. As David French, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, which specializes in religious-liberty litigation, recently put it: "If your idea of law is that it is an instrument of domination and exclusion, then, yes, legal disputes between ideological opposites are 'zero-sum games.' But if your idea of the Constitution is that it protects the fundamental liberties of all citizens (which happens to be the way the document is written), then -- quite literally -- everyone wins when those liberties are vindicated."

Christianity will be history if the history we're making today divorces itself from its roots -- moral, yes, but legal, ethical, and political, too. And while more of us need to have a heightened awareness of the threats menacing Christianity throughout the West -- mercifully, it's not just a pope, a cardinal and a rabbi who are paying attention.

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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Even with its centuries-old roots throughout the region, is Christianity history in the West?

What a stupid question. The phony church has been dead for centuries.

John 15:18 KJV If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

These people want to be loved by the world. Sorry, but the world sucks, and I don't understand why anyone wants the world to love them.

Since this is about homosexuality, then it should be enough that you aren't homosexual. But it's not enough. These people think that they have their lives in order and are therefore free to interfere in others lives. Check your own eyes for beams first...

They go after homosexuals because it's like shooting fish in a barrel. But I guarantee 100% that there is other sin in their own lives. They are not holier than thou. I know I'm not, but the difference is, I will admit it. They won't.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-02-06   11:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Losing Our Religion, By State Order

When did the state determine your faith?

Christians live and practice within Islamic countries for crying out loud. Yet Americans blame the state for "losing" their religion. What a cop out.

Frankly, if Christians went about setting an example of the faith that others would actually admire--not hypocricy and holier than thou judgment at every opportunity--the faith would be flourishing at this time.

Yet numbers are down.......does the responsibility fall on the state or apathetic Christians? Most Christians would curse and run over the bum in the church parking lot on Sunday morning. They attend one day a week, ignore the faith midweek and return on Sunday for their weekly dose of forgiveness, patting themselves on the back for what good Christians they have been.

If you think that loss of your religion has to do with homosexuals, you are ignoring your own responsibility completely and simply passing the blame.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   11:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-06   11:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

Erik, I thought you might find some area of agreement in my post. I know that you think my commentary is driven by a desire to argue, but this is not true. I'm here to discuss issues. I'm not very emotional about it, even religion, although this is an area where I am eternally curious about. : )

What is that old adage about the topics that people should not discuss--sex, religion and politics? Around here that's 99% of our commentary....lol.

Have a good day.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   12:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#2)

Christians live and practice within Islamic countries for crying out loud. Yet Americans blame the state for "losing" their religion. What a cop out.

They do, but they are under unprecedented pressure in those Islamic countries.

They may not rebuild, remodel or under certain circumstances ever repair their churches. They may not proselytize among others although others may do so among them. Some of the oldest congregations in Christendom are in Iraq, and they are dissolving as we speak. There are also many reports of discrimination against the Christian faith in Israel, Palestine and the occupied territories.

From what I've read, it's much easier to be a Muslim in the West than to be a Christian in the East.

randge  posted on  2010-02-06   13:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-06   14:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-06   14:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: randge (#5)

They do, but they are under unprecedented pressure in those Islamic countries.

Yes, excrutiating pressure. But these folks strive forward understanding that faith and the state are mutually exclusive.

Some are not allowed to have places of worship and must practice in the confines of their own homes. Their faith is tested, as the only converts would have to do so by virtue of example and not by attempts at conversion.

I agree that it is not easy to be a Christian in the East and used their example of faith no matter what the state as an example. And the pressusre is not only from Muslims, Christians in the Holy Land are spit on everyday......and that's living with the best little "ally" money can buy. Some Christians even get run over by bulldozers there. Sigh.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   14:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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