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Title: A Country Boy Can Survive
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Published: Feb 6, 2010
Author: Hank Williams Jr.
Post Date: 2010-02-06 20:51:45 by James Deffenbach
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so you refuse to answer the question: will people who believe in all those admirable things you listed go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

To answer your question, tell me what is hell?

What does belief in Jesus entail? Belief that he was an avatar? A prophet? A man? A Savior? The Messiah?

Do Buddhists who practice The Sermon on the Mount daily fear this thing called hell? No, and why should they?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

more tapdancing

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I love that one, Critter! : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

more tapdancing

No, serious questions for you to answer. What is hell, groundresonance?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

whatever hell is, will people who believe in the basic decency of humanity go to whatever hell is if they dont believe in jesus?

that's not such a hard question, and i'm gonna have to drop out for a while to pump up my bike tire and go for beer if you cant come up with a straight answer.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I love that one

Same here. It's one of those songs that I hate to see end. I can play it over and over and over... :)

Critter  posted on  2010-02-07   1:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that's not such a hard question, and i'm gonna have to drop out for a while to pump up my bike tire and go for beer if you cant come up with a straight answer.

How can I answer, when you refuse to define hell?

In Psalms it states: Thou deliverd my soul from the lowest hell. And also: The pains of hell gat hold upon me. In these instances, hell is right here on earth.

Ancient Taoism had no concept of Hell, as morality was seen to be a man-made distinction and there was no concept of an immaterial soul. Did all souls go to hell prior to 2000 years ago? Is hell, as many religions believe, a continual reincarnation? Religions with a cyclic history often depict Hell as an intermediary period between incarnations (for example, Chinese Diyu).

Do you think hell is the creation of Jews and Christians? This notion of hell, all the various levels of hell and the immortal soul precede both.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How can I answer, when you refuse to define hell?

so all you can do is tapdance.

you're not so pretty good at tapdancing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you want to ask questions about an issue, you should be prepared to define what you are asking. It's a simple question: What is hell?

Why do you think I am so righteous as to judge where the souls of other people are going after death anyway? Are you that righteous? I'm not.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you should be prepared to define what you are asking.

it's not my place to define hell.

from my understanding of christianity, there are descriptions of hell in your holy book, and i will defer to their definitions.

meanwhile, you need dance lessons.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

from my understanding of christianity, there are descriptions of hell in your holy book, and i will defer to their definitions.

So, Christianity is the only source for understanding on this issue of hell? My "holy book"? Gee, I've read some of the Vedas, the OT, the NT, the Dammapata, the Kabballah, the Gnostic texts, the cream of the Upanishads, the Sumerian translations of Cuniform, various Native American writings, Sufi, Dervish, Zoraostrianism, Taoism, Aztecs, Myans and mythology. Are all of these "my" holy books?

Small body of knowledge to find an answer, groundresonance. You should expand your library.......maybe you could have dance lessons there on Tuesdays and Thursdays. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have one of their albums.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   2:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Christianity is the only source for understanding on this issue of hell?

more tapdancing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

should we not assume that you accept the christian definition of hell?

your position is so shaky you simply cant answer the question: why should decent people go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

what kind of egomaniac is jesus, that he condemns decent people if they dont believe he's a god?

lame

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4sfvjpVHBk

this song is really fun to play along with... especially if you're a drunk heretic.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

should we not assume that you accept the christian definition of hell?

what kind of egomaniac is jesus, that he condemns decent people if they dont believe he's a god?

Considering that I've already stated to you that hell takes on multiple definitions, exists on this earth and arises from our own thinking.........I say you have good grounds to question your assumptions, don't you?

Hence, hell takes on many forms, depending on the people--Christians didn't invent the concept. Hell in multiple forms was in play long before Jesus walked this earth. Hell is not clearly defined among the masses. Some hells are actually cold, not hot. Many have multiple layers. Many are transitory states that the soul can crawl out of. So, what does the Christian definition and perspective on hell have to do with all those who perceive it differently? Is it even relevant?

Well, what do you think Groundresonance? Rather contradictory to have a compassionate, loving Jesus who befriends prostitutes and tax collectors condemn decent people, isn't it?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you're welcome to whatever hell you want.

meanwhile, you refuse to explain why decent people have to believe in jesus to escape going there.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

meanwhile, you refuse to explain why decent people have to believe in jesus to escape going there.

Didn't I just say that many people do not believe in the Christian perspective on hell? That the concept was in play before Jesus walked this earth?

Didn't I ask you how the Christian perspective is relevant to opposing viewpoints?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Didn't I just say that many people do not believe in the Christian perspective on hell?

so... what?

those people who dont believe in the christian perspective of hell are... not christians?

so they will go to hell?

is that how it works?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

those people who dont believe in the christian perspective of hell are... not christians?

If they are not Christians, wouldn't they be accountable for their own beliefs and not accountable for a lack of knowledge regarding Christian beliefs?

Most have their own hell to worry about, wouldn't it make sense that these folks are accountable for their own belief structure, their own spiritual quest, their own concept of sins and redemption? How can the Christian concept be relevant when it is not in play in their lives?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so you refuse to acknowledge the basic idiocy of christianity: decent people who dont believe in jesus will go to hell.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

“There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”

- Douglas Adams

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

so you refuse to acknowledge the basic idiocy of christianity: decent people who dont believe in jesus will go to hell

Actually, I'm acknowledging the broader concept of hell. Christianity is one perspective.......how is it relevant to all others?

Hell awaits other faiths too......shouldn't they all be worried about their own belief systems? Hence, Christianity has not been able to convince the world that it is unique and the only road to salvation. If you are attempting to convert using the fear of hell, then you find that other faiths have a hell that is just as worthy of fear.

What you deem as a basic idiocy about Christianity is perhaps a lack of understanding. The faith can only be as virtuous as those who practice. Many Christians do not believe that decent people go to hell, while many others do. What do you expect with thousands of sects? Still, it is rather shortsided to ignore all other belief systems, most of which Christians know nothing about, in lieu of a one size fits all. Once you study multiple religions, you find unity and you find that God is greater than one faith.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What you deem as a basic idiocy about Christianity is perhaps a lack of understanding.

maybe you oughta ask some of the resident bible thumpers about the necessity of believing in jesus as a means of escaping hell.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the thumpers seem to be coming through loud and clear, and you'll notice that they're avoiding this thread like the plague.

why is that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like that.....it's very quantum. : ) Interestingly enough, there is some realizations along these lines within the Vedas.

I knew I recognized that name....Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

yup

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the thumpers seem to be coming through loud and clear, and you'll notice that they're avoiding this thread like the plague.

why is that?

Because they have been passing judgment on me on another thread. We are discussing this infallible Bible written and translated by very fallible humans. Mostly, my questions are ignored in lieu of diversions and insults and holier than thou self-righteousness.

I was just deemed to have "a heart as hard as diamonds" ...be afraid, groundresonance, be very afraid....lol

This thread is in cognito.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i went to a supposedly christian college, which was, in reality, nothing but a small college football factory, and very social... aspirations to "ivy league west"...

we were required to read loren eiseley's "the immense journey", i think it was...

anyhow, the main argument of the book seemed to be: there's nothing that explains why mankind developed such a powerful brain, except for god.

i was already so disgusted with the system, including the "judeo-christian" philosophy, that i missed the point of the book.

i tried to make sense of the book in the paper i was required to write, but it must have been comical to the professor... it being so obvious that i'd missed the whole point.

i dont remember exactly when i became aware of how stupid i'd been.

and now, i've come around to the belief that we're not nearly as smart as we (and loren eiseley) think we are.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   14:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and now, i've come around to the belief that we're not nearly as smart as we (and loren eiseley) think we are.

Eisley himself said: “I have given the record of what one man thought as he pursued research and pressed his hands against the confining walls of scientific method in his time. But men see differently. I can at best report only from my own wilderness”

I think the point was to not give Eisley's perspective but to give your own. : ) You should not have been expected to even come to the same conclusion as Eisley, but rather to reflect on how he came to report on his own wilderness. We all have our own wilderness. I suspect your college profs may not be as smart as they think they are either.

Just a thought.........

I've found that college profs. often think that they have all the answers and that they all fit in a neat little box......but the whole point of reading and writing is self discovery, to map our own wilderness.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   14:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if you'll forgive my bumptiousness, i'm fairly confident that the map i have is pretty accurate.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

James, I think you will like this rendition......

Thank you abraxas.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey farmfriend. How you been?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ahaha, penguins got it goin' on.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

James ;) have you ever heard of Todd Snider? if not now you can.

No, I had never heard of him. He is good, thanks for the vids.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey farmfriend. How you been?

Been good. And you my friend?

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   15:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Been ok, thanks.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   15:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lyZQB1H_Zw&NR=1

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   15:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alison Krauss- "Jacobs dream".
The song is very sad, and based on a true story.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-02-08   1:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you Armadillo. What an incredible talent.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-08   4:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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