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Title: A Country Boy Can Survive
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Published: Feb 6, 2010
Author: Hank Williams Jr.
Post Date: 2010-02-06 20:51:45 by James Deffenbach
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Hi James!!

Check out this mix of Hank Sr. and Hank III........some great pics in this one too.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   20:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Oh.......and the man in Black.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   20:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

We need Waylon on this one too.........

I love this one. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   21:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Maybe it's time we got down to some basics in love......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   21:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#1)

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-06   21:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas, lodwick (#3)

Any thread devoted to country music needs a tear jerker. This is a good one.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-06   21:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

That one is a tear jerker......Allison has such a lovely voice.

You will probably laugh at me, but this ol' song by Merle and Willie is a personal tear jerker for me. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   21:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#7)

Allison has such a lovely voice.

Admittedly I am just going by looks because I have never met the lady but "the rest of her ain't bad either" as they say.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-06   21:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

James, I think you will like this rendition......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   22:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, Lod (#9)


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-06   22:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#0)

Lod, here's a real old train song for you. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   22:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: abraxas, JD, all (#11)

Jimmie Rodgers, and Whiskey Lullaby (my personal all time favorite tear-jerker) are tough to beat, although 'possum has some great ones out there, and Emmylou, Dolly and so, so many more.

We should keep making music, and no more war.

Lod  posted on  2010-02-06   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#12)

We should keep making music, and no more war.

So true, Lod. Jimmie Rodgers sang the people through the Great Depression and his songs really touched people and captured the "mood" of the times.

Who will sing us through this time around?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-06   22:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas, JD, all (#13)

enjoy -

Lod  posted on  2010-02-06   23:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas (#13)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvT3_iSaHU

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-06   23:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: groundresonance (#15)

That's a good one too, grounresonance.

I'll post it up......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   0:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#16)

Who will sing us through this time around?

assuming for the sake of argument that jesus was the first songwriter to smoke dope...

also assuming for the sake of argument that jesus came back...

jesus would find a label... or, more likely, the label, probably warners, would find jesus.

and that would be the end of jesus.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   0:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: abraxas, Lod, James Deffenbach (#13)

Who will sing us through this time around?

System of a Down. Not everyone's cup of tea but a great war song reminescent of the 60s. I'll put the lyrics at the bottom for Lod.

"Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine."

"B.Y.O.B."

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR!
Barbarisms by Barbaras
With pointed heels.
Victorious, victories kneel.
For brand new spankin' deals.
Marching forward hypocritic
And hypnotic computers.
You depend on our protection,

Yet you feed us lies from the table cloth.
La la la la la la la la la,
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.

Kneeling roses disappearing,
Into Moses' dry mouth,
Breaking into Fort Knox,
Stealing our intentions,
Hangars sitting dripped in oil,
Crying FREEDOM!

Handed to obsoletion,
Still you feed us lies from the table cloth.
La la la la la la la la la,
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.

Blast off, it's party time,
And we don't live in a fascist nation,
Blast off, it's party time,
And where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?

Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor? [X4]

Kneeling roses disappearing,
Into Moses' dry mouth,
Breaking into Fort Knox,
Stealing our intentions,
Hangars sitting dripped in oil,
Crying FREEDOM!

Handed to obsoletion,
Still you feed us lies from the tablecloth.
La la la la la la la la la,
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.
Everybody's going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sun

Where the fuck are you!
Where the fuck are you!

Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don't presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor? [X3]
Why, do, they always send the poor [X3]
They only send the poor [x2]


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   0:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: groundresonance (#17)

and that would be the end of jesus.

lol......don't you think that if Jesus came back now he would be ridiculed and rejected? I mean what would the warmongers say? He'd be bad for business for the money changers. He would get no mention on the MSM. He would be thrown out of Christian churches across this nation.

Reminds me of The War Prayer by Mark Twain. Remember that one?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   0:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#19) (Edited)

don't you think that if Jesus came back now he would be ridiculed and rejected?

so jesus gets strung up again, one way or another, and then what happens?

will jesus, as he's hanging there, assert himself, finally?

maybe jesus, as he's crucified by the music biz, will give us a few jillion more barrels of oil and make the co2 go away.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   0:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#19)

if that's all you got left to believe in...

well, good luck.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   0:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: groundresonance (#21)

if that's all you got left to believe in...

well, good luck.

Why would you think that's all I have left to believe in?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   0:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#22)

all I have left to believe in

what else do you believe in?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   0:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: farmfriend (#18)

That's a good one farmfriend.

This one might be in the running too. Do you like RATM?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   0:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas (#22) (Edited)

Why would you think that's all I have left to believe in?

we're talking about the salvation of your immortal soul, here...

so what else do you believe in when belief in jesus is the only way to save your soul?

or are you saying that your soul isnt really that big a deal?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   0:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

James ;) have you ever heard of Todd Snider? if not now you can.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-07   0:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: groundresonance (#23)

what else do you believe in?

Let's see.....I believe in love, imagination, determination, courage, conviction, laughter, wit, the second amendment, a closed mouth doesn't get fed, moderation, creativity, ideas, Nikola Tesla's free energy, living debt free, an ounce of prevention, letting go, smiling, keeping my word, Sig, little children, sunrises and sunsets, infinity, wisdom, seeking knowldge, reading books, time is my most precious commodity, not lugging around emotional baggage, dogs, responsibility, gardening, taking risks, living in the moment....

That's a start. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   0:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas (#27)

so somebody that believes in all that, but doesnt believe in jesus, will go to hell.

good enough.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: groundresonance (#25)

we're talking about the salvation of your immortal soul, here...

so what else do you believe in when belief in jesus is the only way to save your soul?

or are you saying that your soul isnt really that big a deal?

Whoa, we were talking about Jesus singing songs during this Greater Depression, not my soul. I believe that Jesus set the example of how we are to live........ If we do as instructed, why worry about death and the mortal soul?

Here's a song for you.....

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: groundresonance (#28)

so somebody that believes in all that, but doesnt believe in jesus, will go to hell.

Who said I didn't believe in Jesus? I said if He returned right now, this nation would reject him. Do you disagree?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#29) (Edited)

american pie...

who took the last train to the coast?

did they get a better offer from warners?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

one of my favorites


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-07   1:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#30)

Who said I didn't believe in Jesus? I said if He returned right now, this nation would reject him. Do you disagree?

it's obvious you believe in jesus, and you also believe in all those other things.

my question: will people who believe in all those other things you mentioned go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#24)

Yeah I like that.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   1:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: groundresonance (#33)

will people who believe in all those other things you mentioned go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

Could it be that hell is of our own creation? I see living hell right here and right now for some folks.

Fear is the absense of faith. Why fear hell?

All that we are arises from our thoughts.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: abraxas (#9)

The Band does it better. :)

Now if you like Emmylou AND the Band like I do:


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-02-07   1:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#35) (Edited)

I see living hell right here and right now for some folks.

so you refuse to answer the question: will people who believe in all those admirable things you listed go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: abraxas (#3)

Let's get some of the great ones on stage together:


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-02-07   1:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: groundresonance (#37)

so you refuse to answer the question: will people who believe in all those admirable things you listed go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

To answer your question, tell me what is hell?

What does belief in Jesus entail? Belief that he was an avatar? A prophet? A man? A Savior? The Messiah?

Do Buddhists who practice The Sermon on the Mount daily fear this thing called hell? No, and why should they?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: abraxas (#39)

more tapdancing

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Critter (#38)

I love that one, Critter! : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: groundresonance (#40)

more tapdancing

No, serious questions for you to answer. What is hell, groundresonance?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#42)

whatever hell is, will people who believe in the basic decency of humanity go to whatever hell is if they dont believe in jesus?

that's not such a hard question, and i'm gonna have to drop out for a while to pump up my bike tire and go for beer if you cant come up with a straight answer.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: abraxas (#41)

I love that one

Same here. It's one of those songs that I hate to see end. I can play it over and over and over... :)


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-02-07   1:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: groundresonance (#43) (Edited)

that's not such a hard question, and i'm gonna have to drop out for a while to pump up my bike tire and go for beer if you cant come up with a straight answer.

How can I answer, when you refuse to define hell?

In Psalms it states: Thou deliverd my soul from the lowest hell. And also: The pains of hell gat hold upon me. In these instances, hell is right here on earth.

Ancient Taoism had no concept of Hell, as morality was seen to be a man-made distinction and there was no concept of an immaterial soul. Did all souls go to hell prior to 2000 years ago? Is hell, as many religions believe, a continual reincarnation? Religions with a cyclic history often depict Hell as an intermediary period between incarnations (for example, Chinese Diyu).

Do you think hell is the creation of Jews and Christians? This notion of hell, all the various levels of hell and the immortal soul precede both.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: abraxas (#45)

How can I answer, when you refuse to define hell?

so all you can do is tapdance.

you're not so pretty good at tapdancing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: groundresonance (#46)

If you want to ask questions about an issue, you should be prepared to define what you are asking. It's a simple question: What is hell?

Why do you think I am so righteous as to judge where the souls of other people are going after death anyway? Are you that righteous? I'm not.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: abraxas (#47)

you should be prepared to define what you are asking.

it's not my place to define hell.

from my understanding of christianity, there are descriptions of hell in your holy book, and i will defer to their definitions.

meanwhile, you need dance lessons.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   1:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: groundresonance (#48)

from my understanding of christianity, there are descriptions of hell in your holy book, and i will defer to their definitions.

So, Christianity is the only source for understanding on this issue of hell? My "holy book"? Gee, I've read some of the Vedas, the OT, the NT, the Dammapata, the Kabballah, the Gnostic texts, the cream of the Upanishads, the Sumerian translations of Cuniform, various Native American writings, Sufi, Dervish, Zoraostrianism, Taoism, Aztecs, Myans and mythology. Are all of these "my" holy books?

Small body of knowledge to find an answer, groundresonance. You should expand your library.......maybe you could have dance lessons there on Tuesdays and Thursdays. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   1:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Critter (#38)

I have one of their albums.


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   2:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: abraxas (#49)

Christianity is the only source for understanding on this issue of hell?

more tapdancing.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:33:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#49) (Edited)

should we not assume that you accept the christian definition of hell?

your position is so shaky you simply cant answer the question: why should decent people go to hell if they dont believe in jesus?

what kind of egomaniac is jesus, that he condemns decent people if they dont believe he's a god?

lame

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: All (#52) (Edited)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4sfvjpVHBk

this song is really fun to play along with... especially if you're a drunk heretic.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: groundresonance (#52) (Edited)

should we not assume that you accept the christian definition of hell?

what kind of egomaniac is jesus, that he condemns decent people if they dont believe he's a god?

Considering that I've already stated to you that hell takes on multiple definitions, exists on this earth and arises from our own thinking.........I say you have good grounds to question your assumptions, don't you?

Hence, hell takes on many forms, depending on the people--Christians didn't invent the concept. Hell in multiple forms was in play long before Jesus walked this earth. Hell is not clearly defined among the masses. Some hells are actually cold, not hot. Many have multiple layers. Many are transitory states that the soul can crawl out of. So, what does the Christian definition and perspective on hell have to do with all those who perceive it differently? Is it even relevant?

Well, what do you think Groundresonance? Rather contradictory to have a compassionate, loving Jesus who befriends prostitutes and tax collectors condemn decent people, isn't it?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: abraxas (#54)

you're welcome to whatever hell you want.

meanwhile, you refuse to explain why decent people have to believe in jesus to escape going there.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: groundresonance (#55)

meanwhile, you refuse to explain why decent people have to believe in jesus to escape going there.

Didn't I just say that many people do not believe in the Christian perspective on hell? That the concept was in play before Jesus walked this earth?

Didn't I ask you how the Christian perspective is relevant to opposing viewpoints?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: abraxas (#56)

Didn't I just say that many people do not believe in the Christian perspective on hell?

so... what?

those people who dont believe in the christian perspective of hell are... not christians?

so they will go to hell?

is that how it works?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: groundresonance (#57)

those people who dont believe in the christian perspective of hell are... not christians?

If they are not Christians, wouldn't they be accountable for their own beliefs and not accountable for a lack of knowledge regarding Christian beliefs?

Most have their own hell to worry about, wouldn't it make sense that these folks are accountable for their own belief structure, their own spiritual quest, their own concept of sins and redemption? How can the Christian concept be relevant when it is not in play in their lives?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: abraxas (#58)

so you refuse to acknowledge the basic idiocy of christianity: decent people who dont believe in jesus will go to hell.

good enough

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#58)

“There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”

- Douglas Adams

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: groundresonance (#59)

so you refuse to acknowledge the basic idiocy of christianity: decent people who dont believe in jesus will go to hell

Actually, I'm acknowledging the broader concept of hell. Christianity is one perspective.......how is it relevant to all others?

Hell awaits other faiths too......shouldn't they all be worried about their own belief systems? Hence, Christianity has not been able to convince the world that it is unique and the only road to salvation. If you are attempting to convert using the fear of hell, then you find that other faiths have a hell that is just as worthy of fear.

What you deem as a basic idiocy about Christianity is perhaps a lack of understanding. The faith can only be as virtuous as those who practice. Many Christians do not believe that decent people go to hell, while many others do. What do you expect with thousands of sects? Still, it is rather shortsided to ignore all other belief systems, most of which Christians know nothing about, in lieu of a one size fits all. Once you study multiple religions, you find unity and you find that God is greater than one faith.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: abraxas (#61)

What you deem as a basic idiocy about Christianity is perhaps a lack of understanding.

maybe you oughta ask some of the resident bible thumpers about the necessity of believing in jesus as a means of escaping hell.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#61)

the thumpers seem to be coming through loud and clear, and you'll notice that they're avoiding this thread like the plague.

why is that?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: groundresonance (#60)

I like that.....it's very quantum. : ) Interestingly enough, there is some realizations along these lines within the Vedas.

I knew I recognized that name....Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: abraxas (#64)

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

yup

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   13:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: groundresonance (#63)

the thumpers seem to be coming through loud and clear, and you'll notice that they're avoiding this thread like the plague.

why is that?

Because they have been passing judgment on me on another thread. We are discussing this infallible Bible written and translated by very fallible humans. Mostly, my questions are ignored in lieu of diversions and insults and holier than thou self-righteousness.

I was just deemed to have "a heart as hard as diamonds" ...be afraid, groundresonance, be very afraid....lol

This thread is in cognito.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   13:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: abraxas (#64) (Edited)

i went to a supposedly christian college, which was, in reality, nothing but a small college football factory, and very social... aspirations to "ivy league west"...

we were required to read loren eiseley's "the immense journey", i think it was...

anyhow, the main argument of the book seemed to be: there's nothing that explains why mankind developed such a powerful brain, except for god.

i was already so disgusted with the system, including the "judeo-christian" philosophy, that i missed the point of the book.

i tried to make sense of the book in the paper i was required to write, but it must have been comical to the professor... it being so obvious that i'd missed the whole point.

i dont remember exactly when i became aware of how stupid i'd been.

and now, i've come around to the belief that we're not nearly as smart as we (and loren eiseley) think we are.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   14:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: groundresonance (#67)

and now, i've come around to the belief that we're not nearly as smart as we (and loren eiseley) think we are.

Eisley himself said: “I have given the record of what one man thought as he pursued research and pressed his hands against the confining walls of scientific method in his time. But men see differently. I can at best report only from my own wilderness”

I think the point was to not give Eisley's perspective but to give your own. : ) You should not have been expected to even come to the same conclusion as Eisley, but rather to reflect on how he came to report on his own wilderness. We all have our own wilderness. I suspect your college profs may not be as smart as they think they are either.

Just a thought.........

I've found that college profs. often think that they have all the answers and that they all fit in a neat little box......but the whole point of reading and writing is self discovery, to map our own wilderness.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-02-07   14:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: abraxas (#68)

if you'll forgive my bumptiousness, i'm fairly confident that the map i have is pretty accurate.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: abraxas (#9)

James, I think you will like this rendition......

Thank you abraxas.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: farmfriend (#10)

Hey farmfriend. How you been?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: abraxas (#16)

ahaha, penguins got it goin' on.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: IRTorqued (#26)

James ;) have you ever heard of Todd Snider? if not now you can.

No, I had never heard of him. He is good, thanks for the vids.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   14:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: James Deffenbach (#71)

Hey farmfriend. How you been?

Been good. And you my friend?


"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-02-07   15:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: farmfriend (#74)

Been ok, thanks.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-07   15:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: All (#69)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lyZQB1H_Zw&NR=1

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-07   15:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: James Deffenbach, farmfriend (#0)

Alison Krauss- "Jacobs dream".
The song is very sad, and based on a true story.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-02-08   1:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Armadillo (#77)

Thank you Armadillo. What an incredible talent.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-08   4:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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