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Title: It Is Now Official: The US Is a Police State
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URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2010/02/09/us-is-a-police-state/
Published: Feb 10, 2010
Author: Paul Craig Roberts,
Post Date: 2010-02-10 06:41:00 by Ada
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Americans have been losing the protection of law for years. In the 21st century the loss of legal protections accelerated with the Bush administration’s “war on terror,” which continues under the Obama administration and is essentially a war on the Constitution and U.S. civil liberties. The Bush regime was determined to vitiate habeas corpus in order to hold people indefinitely without bringing charges. The regime had acquired hundreds of prisoners by paying a bounty for terrorists. Afghan warlords and thugs responded to the financial incentive by grabbing unprotected people and selling them to the Americans. The Bush regime needed to hold the prisoners without charges because it had no evidence against the people and did not want to admit that the U.S. government had stupidly paid warlords and thugs to kidnap innocent people. In addition, the Bush regime needed “terrorists” prisoners in order to prove that there was a terrorist threat. As there was no evidence against the “detainees” (most have been released without charges after years of detention and abuse), the U.S. government needed a way around U.S. and international laws against torture in order that the government could produce evidence via self-incrimination. The Bush regime found inhumane and totalitarian-minded lawyers and put them to work at the U.S. Department of Justice (sic) to invent arguments that the Bush regime did not need to obey the law. The Bush regime created a new classification for its detainees that it used to justify denying legal protection and due process to the detainees. As the detainees were not U.S. citizens and were demonized by the regime as “the 760 most dangerous men on earth,” there was little public outcry over the regime’s unconstitutional and inhumane actions. As our Founding Fathers and a long list of scholars warned, once civil liberties are breached, they are breached for all. Soon U.S. citizens were being held indefinitely in violation of their habeas corpus rights. Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, an American citizen of Pakistani origin, might have been the first. Dr. Siddiqui, a scientist educated at MIT and Brandeis University, was seized in Pakistan for no known reason, sent to Afghanistan, and was held secretly for five years in the U.S. military’s notorious Bagram prison in Afghanistan. Her three young children, one an 8-month-old baby, were with her at the time she was abducted. She has no idea what has become of her two youngest children. Her oldest child, 7 years old, was also incarcerated in Bagram and subjected to similar abuse and horrors. Siddiqui has never been charged with any terrorism-related offense. A British journalist, hearing her piercing screams as she was being tortured, disclosed her presence. An embarrassed U.S. government responded to the disclosure by sending Siddiqui to the U.S. for trial on the trumped-up charge that while a captive, she grabbed a U.S. soldier’s rifle and fired two shots attempting to shoot him. The charge apparently originated as a U.S. soldier’s excuse for shooting Dr. Siddiqui twice in the stomach, resulting in her near death. On Feb. 4, Dr. Siddiqui was convicted by a New York jury for attempted murder. The only evidence presented against her was the charge itself and an unsubstantiated claim that she had once taken a pistol-firing course at an American firing range. No evidence was presented of her fingerprints on the rifle that this frail and broken 100-pound woman had allegedly seized from an American soldier. No evidence was presented that a weapon was fired, no bullets, no shell casings, no bullet holes. Just an accusation. Wikipedia has this to say about the trial: “The trial took an unusual turn when an FBI official asserted that the fingerprints taken from the rifle, which was purportedly used by Aafia to shoot at the U.S. interrogators, did not match hers.” An ignorant and bigoted American jury convicted her for being a Muslim. This is the kind of “justice” that always results when the state hypes fear and demonizes a group. The people who should have been on trial are the people who abducted her, disappeared her young children, shipped her across international borders, violated her civil liberties, tortured her apparently for the fun of it, raped her, and attempted to murder her with two gunshots to her stomach. Instead, the victim was put on trial and convicted. This is the unmistakable hallmark of a police state. And this victim is an American citizen. Anyone can be next. Indeed, on Feb. 3 Dennis Blair, director of national intelligence told the House Intelligence Committee that it was now “defined policy” that the U.S. government can murder its own citizens on the sole basis of someone in the government’s judgment that an American is a threat. No arrest, no trial, no conviction, just execution on suspicion of being a threat. This shows how far the police state has advanced. A presidential appointee in the Obama administration tells an important committee of Congress that the executive branch has decided that it can murder American citizens abroad if it thinks they are a threat. I can hear readers saying the government might as well kill Americans abroad as it kills them at home – Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Black Panthers. Yes, the U.S. government has murdered its citizens, but Dennis Blair’s “defined policy” is a bold new development. The government, of course, denies that it intended to kill the Branch Davidians, Randy Weaver’s wife and child, or the Black Panthers. The government says that Waco was a terrible tragedy, an unintended result brought on by the Branch Davidians themselves. The government says that Ruby Ridge was Randy Weaver’s fault for not appearing in court on a day that had been miscommunicated to him. The Black Panthers, the government says, were dangerous criminals who insisted on a shootout. In no previous death of a U.S. citizen by the hands of the U.S. government has the government claimed the right to kill Americans without arrest, trial, and conviction of a capital crime. In contrast, Dennis Blair has told the U.S. Congress that the executive branch has assumed the right to murder Americans who it deems a “threat.” What defines “threat”? Who will make the decision? What it means is that the government will murder whomever it chooses. There is no more complete or compelling evidence of a police state than the government announcing that it will murder its own citizens if it views them as a “threat.” Ironic, isn’t it, that “the war on terror” to make us safe ends in a police state with the government declaring the right to murder American citizens whom it regards as a threat.
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#9. To: TwentyTwelve (#7)
"classic text" Nice dig here '12.
President Nixon, via Executive Order, quietly reorganized the United States' 50 individual states with a 10-Region Plan. The implementation of this Regional Plan awaits only the right moment in world history, and the right set of crises. This was "UN-initiated" iirc. Was it BEFORE or AFTER kissmyassinger/tricky went to Communist china...?
This Awareness indicates that the conquest of the United States is not necessarily the beginning of the New World Order for Europe. The United States would need to be conquered if the New World Order were to be set up, but the purpose of conquering the United States is simply to get it diffused as an independent country so it cannot or does not wish to resist the implementation of the New World Order. As for Europe, under the New World Order, the Bilderbergers are an organization that has been created, much as the Council Of Foreign Relation and Trilateralists in the United states was created, to bring these countries into the New World Order. The Bilderbergers as a great arm of the New World Order, to help secure Europe and those countries relating to the Bilderbergers into the New World Order. You must understand that the New World Order is generally an outgrowth of the Rothschild banking and political powers, who set up or greatly set up with the help of other organizations, the Communist control of Russia, who also set up the control of the Nazis in Germany during World War II by helping to fund the Nazi movement along with others, such as Henry Ford and some other large financiers of the world. This Awareness indicates that the Nazi movement and Communist movement, both being funded from these Rothschild wealth and power base, were but experiments and early efforts to establish some kind of purpose in bringing the great powers of Europe under control of the financial institutions owned by and controlled by the Rothschilds. The Rockefellers, who are often seen as competitors with the Rothschilds, are actually quite small in relation to the power and wealth of the Rothschilds, and could be squashed very easily by the Rothschilds powers. This Awareness indicates the Rockefellers forces include the Council Of Foreign Relations and the Trilaterist organizations, and these are helping to promote the New World Order. The Rothschild are promoting the New World Order under Zionism, and Bilderbergers and certain Mafia contacts and through most of the banking establishments, and therefore, even regardless of what happens in the United States, and the various countries of Europe will have their own problems relating to the controls being established through the Rothschild forces and the European economic system. The European community will be brought together as a large conglomerate of nations and will begin to have greater breakdown of boundaries as the nations are emasculated or diffused in terms of individuality. The definitions of each nation will begin to blur as the economics of Europe begin to spread and the boundaries are diminished whereby entities can travel from one country to another without passports or without excessive need for the usual customs evaluations that occurs at borders. NWO Plans 10 Regions: "Ten Horns of the Beast" This Awareness indicates that the same will eventually encompass many of the Russian and Eastern countries in Europe, and eventually it is planned to encompass all of Asia. This Awareness indicates that the plan calls for the establishment of ten regions of the world; these are what has been referred to in the Book of Revelation as the "Ten Horns of the Beast". This Awareness indicates within the United States there will also be, according to the plan, Ten Regions, and these are that which is referred to in the Book of Revelation as the Smaller Beast that forces the masses to worship the larger beast. This Awareness indicates that in this sense, the UN, being funded mostly by United States money, is being promoted by the lesser beast, and when the lesser beast, the United Sates, becomes the New Republic, or the country having ten regions instead of 50 states, this country will then become more or less an enforcer of UN rules around the globe. U.S. Taxpayers Will Fund NWO There will be of course be cooperation from other countries who will help to supply troops, but much of the funding for such action of the UN will come from the United States. This Awareness indicates that it appears most of the funding, or the largest portion, will come from the United States, at least during the earlier stages of UN activity and world police enforcement. This Awareness indicates that this does not mean that the United States will be sending troops into Europe to enforce the New World Order on all of the people in all of the countries; it does not mean that the United States will become a new form of Nazi Germany on world conquest for itself. It means rather, that the United States will help to fund the United Nations in its various global projects in trying to bring resistance nations under control of the UN, and Europe itself will be organized slowly and gradually by the Rothschild organizations and the various leaders of countries who are working with these Rothschild energies as they convert their countries into aspects of the New World Order. Many of the countries of Europe will be asked to donate troops and money to the UN, and thus strengthen the UN as the centralized world-governing body to allow it greater power to conquer the rest of the world for the super-wealthy; there being approximately 13 families involved in this world conquest; the Rothschilds being the most notable of these families. The European Union This Awareness wishes to comment that the concept of a United Europe is not that different from the concept of a United States. The states in the United States Union were essentially and originally individual sovereign states that joined together in a kind of a union. To say "United States" is much like saying "Union of States." This Awareness indicates that the idea of a union of states was pure and could be very beneficial, but when the union of states get controlled from outside by the United States of America, Incorporated, in Washington D.C., whose jurisdiction in reality should only be its own ten square miles of territory, and when this union of states lets that corporation begin to rule them, because the corporation is capable of giving them large sums of money if they yield to their control, then a problem is developed. They are selling their souls to the devil, in a sense. The same can be said for Europe. If these countries, which are sovereign independent countries, join together, and if, in their joining together they allow some external corporation or country or organization or force to begin dictating to them, then they have lost something very important: their own sovereignty, their own right to make their own decisions. This Awareness indicates that first it may be very insignificant and unimportant. The decisions that are made may not be of great concern, but the time will come when the outside force begins to dictate heavier and heavier policies, imposing restrictions on these independent countries, so that freedoms, which were once commonplace, are no longer allowed. This Awareness reminds you that in 1933, Adolf Hitler spoke of a New World Order, seeing that it was his destiny to bring about a New World Order. This Awareness indicates you should also know that George Bush's father was one who helped finance Adolf Hitler into power and that George Bush belonged to the Skull and Bones Society in Yale University, which was an offshoot of the Skull and Bones Society in Nazi Germany. New World Order Will be Worse than Hitler This Awareness indicates that the movement of the Nazis across Europe in Hitler's effort to promote the New World Order by force, by invading country after another, and by subjugating the various countries in different ways, should give you some indication as to what to expect in a New World Order, even though it will be much worse in modern times than in Hitler's times, because the equipment, the technology for mass control or mass murder, is much more advanced now than it was in Hitler's time. This Awareness indicates that if indeed your United Europe could unite with a focus on freedoms and the preservation of freedoms under some kind of constitution that guaranteed these freedoms and the rights of individuals, it could be most beneficial. But if it is simply a joining together for economic purposes and political controls, be very wary, for it is quite likely that these political controls will begin to become imprisonment controls, keeping entities under greater and greater control for the purpose of certain individuals.. Rothschild's London Estate a Sovereign State! This Awareness indicates that the Rothschild's headquarters are on a certain grounds that are independent of the British and of England. They are essentially sovereign territory areas so that the Rothschilds cannot be controlled by the English laws because they are on land that is sovereign or separate from that of England, much the way the areas know as Washington D.C. is separate from the states, and therefore technically, those committing crimes against the states, who live in Washington D.C., cannot be held for treason until they are brought back to their own state, or the neighboring states. As long as they are on foreign land, Washington D.C., these are not under the laws of the U.S,. Constitution or the States Constitution. Likewise, the Rothschilds are on foreign land in England and cannot be hold accountable to English law. This Awareness indicates that this is a way by which they create their own empire in the middle of London and carry on their mischief in such a way that allows them to be immune to any prosecution from English law, regardless of their fraud or misinterpretation or other crimes. Rothschilds: "The Head of the Beast" This Awareness indicates that as long as entities understand this as being the Horn of the Beast or the Head of the Beast and can recognize the importance of staying separate from the Rothschild influence and creating a union of countries, they can do great things in the preservation of freedom in the future. But, you must realize too that the Rothschild agents are like cockroaches crawling around your home. These cockroaches crawl as over Europe; they are everywhere. They are all around the world: in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, in Japan and the Orient. They are constantly maneuvering and working for the Rothschild purposes. When this Awareness speaks of the Rothschild purposes, It refers also to those cohorts, the other 12 super-wealthy families that associate or ride the coat-tails of the Rothschilds There are many families, but there are essentially 13 major families. There are approximately 300 families, but 13 major families that make up the international banking community, which is behind the organizations known as the Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign Relations, the various secret cults such as the Masonry and the Tong organization and the Mafia, -- all of these various organizations which are sub-orders of the international banking community families. You're worth more than a million tonnes of oro buddy. And you know how I feel about the metals...ehehe
Can you please provide a link to this? I have used both Google and Yahoo and cannot find any evidence that this is true. From my investigations, antiwar.com is owned by The Randolph Bourne Institute a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization incorporated in the State of California.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Can you please provide a link to this? I have used both Google and Yahoo and cannot find any evidence that this is true. From my investigations, antiwar.com is owned by The Randolph Bourne Institute a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization incorporated in the State of California antiwar.com Domain registration data Registrant: Randolph Bourne Institute 1612 45th Ave San Francisco, California 94122 United States Administrative Contact: Garris, Eric mike@antiwar.com Randolph Bourne Institute 1612 45th Ave San Francisco, California 94122 United States 4155047445 Fax -- Technical Contact: Garris, Eric mike@antiwar.com Randolph Bourne Institute 1612 45th Ave San Francisco, California 94122 United States 4155047445 Fax --
I agree that they were stupid for believing in Obama's anti-war rhetoric. They should have known better. However, there's a huge gap between that stupidity and PaulCJ's characterization, which as far as I've been able to ascertain, is not true. However, maybe he's seen an article(s) I haven't.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I don't know about pcj and frankly stopped paying a whole lot of mind to 'him' awhile ago for reasons you know. To sell out on every other principle and then believe this fraud illegal alien usurper to the support of his selection is at best retarded. They're not worthy of mention anymore...
That's your prerogative, however, the above article is dead on the money, as are many of his articles, regardless of his personal shortcomings. The same can be said for Raimondo.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Thank you TwentyTwelve for the information. Randolph Bourne was a progressive (socialist) while he lived.
And you think that proves your claim that "antiwar supports instituting fascist tyranny in the U.S. since Clinton was in the WH?" LOL! Nice try but no cigar. Progressive or not, Randolph Bourne wrote an unfinished essay called "The State." Within that essay is found the phrase "War is the Health of the State." You may have heard of it since it is quite famous. According to the editor, this phrase means “In its proper place it meant that mindless power thrived on war because war corrupted a nation’s moral fabric and especially corrupted its intellectuals.” The whole essay was a condemnation of war. A very good article on this essay was published on The Freeman. In case you do not know what The freeman is, it is one of the oldest journals in the United States focused on liberty and individualism, having been around for more than 50 years. Raimondo is anti-war, Randolph Bourne was anti-war. Raimondo founded both organizations in order to battle our interventionist foreign policies. As for Raimondo's political leanings, he ran for office as both a Republican and a Libertarian and was a protégé of Murry Rothbard. Raimondo's books include Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement, Into the Bosnian Quagmire: The Case Against U.S. Intervention in the Balkans, An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard, and The Terror Enigma: 9/11 And the Israeli Connection. None of these books are books a liberal would write. Now, I've given you information about Raimondo found using a Google search. I'm still waiting for you to post evidence that antiwar supports instituting fascist tyranny in the U.S. since Clinton was in the WH."
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I guess he wasn't a fan of the American Revolution. I have seen that the concept of "peace at any cost" has corrupted entire generations into believing that it is better to live in the worst tyranny imaginable than to risk war for one's own freedom.
Mr. Gould, you've seen no such thing because this country has never experienced the worst tyranny imaginable. Your fear of the third world muslim hoard invading the U.S. with their reed boat armadas does not qualify because it is fantasy. Neither the essay "The State" nor antiwar.com advocates peace at any cost. If you bothered to read the essay and the commentary I posted about the essay, you would quickly see that. What it all boils down to is that you made a statement that you cannot defend with facts and instead of manning up and admitting that your preconceived notions were wrong, you are distracting and making wild accusations in order to change the subject.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Actually, under Lincoln, it was pretty close. Though, that is what you want, tyranny in the name of peace.
Were you alive then? Though, that is what you want, tyranny in the name of peace. You are the one who supports the agenda of the two party fraud not I. If anyone is begging for tyranny it is you. If you are going to try and insult me you are going to have to do a much better job of it because your comments have no basis in fact. That seems to be a habit with you. I've been posting articles about small government and governmental abuse on this site for several years. My posting history shows you to be a liar.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I have been defending third party options, such as the Tea Party Movement, while you have been attacking such people's movements. The fact of the matter is you are against the people.
What a pant load. While you've been licking the ass the two party fraud, I have voted third party and volunteered for third party candidates since Ron Paul ran for president as a Libertarian 1988. You cannot find a single post where I have attacked the tea party. Once again you are making shit up. It is now obvious that this is a habitual thing with you. What I have said about the tea party is that it has been co-opted by government worshiping tools such as yourself and big government war mongers like Sarah Palin. What I have said is that until Sarah Palin spoke up in support of the tea party, people like you, Whitesands, yukon and the rest of the freedom-haters at LP spent their days making fun of the tea party and it's membership. What I have done is complain about my local tea party putting their support behind the liberal, big spending Republican Roy Blunt for Senator, even though he spent the entire Bush administration voting to grow the size of government as a Representative. Now do you have any more lies you want to tell about me? If so then have at it. I'll be glad to hand you your ass as soon as I get back from the library.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
No, you have been supporting such corruption by attacking the people, the Tea Party Movement.
Palin urges Republican Party to 'absorb' Tea Party movement From the article: "Palin is a favorite of the Tea Party movement" Then of course there is the whole Newt Gingrich angle as well. The Tea Party movement, which began as a movement of Ron Paul supporters, has been co-opted by the big government-loving war mongers. When establishment whores like yukon and Whitesands flip flop and suddenly back it, thinking people know that it has been destroyed. They have literally spent years on LP defending big government. Go back a couple of months and see what they said then and compare it with what they are saying now. What's changed? Establishment Republicans have changed the agenda.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
You are willing to torch a movement of millions of people over one woman. You would throw the baby out with the bath water. That is so shallow of you. The fact of the matter is that you have been against the tea party movement from the beginning because it was not part of the beltway, not part of the two party cabal that you are a part of.
Riiiggghhht. You don't believe that and we both know it. Not even your critical thinking skills can be that lacking. LOL!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Obama from a speech delivered in 2007 I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan. But I said I could not support "a dumb war, a rash war" in Iraq. I worried about a " U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences" in the heart of the Muslim world. I pleaded that we "finish the fight with bin Ladin and al Qaeda." www.barackobama.com/2007/...he_war_we_need_to_win.php Sometimes people hear what they want to hear.
Nope, you are just in denial. The fact of the matter is that you are plant for the elitists and that you are using Palin as an excuse to attack the people.
LOL! Says the guy who is constantly on this site defending the government, LOL! You aren't fooling anyone William A. Gould - government ass licker.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
The "Hope" Obama was supposed to bring to his brain dead followers was the hope for peace. That was how he was portrayed by the government propaganda machine called the media, speech or no speech. You can try and pass off your bullshit, but it's not going to fly here. There were just wayyy to many conversations on this site discussing the stupidity of his parasitic followers for believing his bullshit. He's a fucking blood dancing war monger and since you are attempting to defend him then I guess that makes you one also. When Bush was in power, the only difference between you libtards and the neocon's were the neocon's war mongering. Now that you and president are pro-war, there isn't a dime worth of difference between either of you.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Ah, I see Mr. CJ is again harrassing freedom minded people and projecting his own crimes unto them. Yeah, according to him, we're all mostly "plants for the elitists" and "support tyranny", while he is the REAL patriot and freedom lover here... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So Paul, did you support Ron Paul's campaign for president, or did you support a typical neocon whore like McCain?
Oh yeah, according to you being anti-corporate corruption and tyranny is "supporting tryanny", since you engage in doublespeak ala George Orwell.
Yeah, according to him, we're all mostly "plants for the elitists" and "support tyranny", while he is the REAL patriot and freedom lover here... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Projecting is most definitely the correct term.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Then of course there is the whole Newt Gingrich angle as well. The Tea Party movement, which began as a movement of Ron Paul supporters, has been co-opted by the big government-loving war mongers. When establishment whores like yukon and Whitesands flip flop and suddenly back it, thinking people know that it has been destroyed. They have literally spent years on LP defending big government. Go back a couple of months and see what they said then and compare it with what they are saying now. What's changed? Establishment Republicans have changed the agenda newt, who said that the government should allow attacks! here he is a few days ago asked about world government.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Don't forget his claim that being against the U.S. government is being for a world government. LOL! The guy has zero critical thinking skills. If the two party fraud IS the government, and he claims to be against the two party fraud, then by his own nonsensical logic, he is FOR world government. Another example if his stellar logic is stating that I am willing to live in tyranny in order to have peace at all costs in one post, and then on this thread claiming that I am some kind of undercover government supporter. Hello, McFly - If the government is the one propagating war, and I am the peacenik he claims, then how can I be an undercover government supporter? The guy is a fucking moron first class.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
http://www.infowars.com/paul-craig-roberts-the-u-s-is-a-police-state/ Paul Craig Roberts: The U.S. is a Police State Russia Today February 13, 2010 The US now has a list of Americans that the country can now murder abroad if they are fraternizing with terror groups. Paul Craig Roberts says that all of this points to a sign that the United States has become a police state.
That would be you. You constantly defend the two party system while insulting those who support the people's movements against the two party system. By the way, William A. Gould is an alias. It isn't my real name. And if you actually read my book, you would realize I do not like government and how wrong you are about me.
You cannot cite a single example of me defending the government even once, much less constantly. Every time you write nonsense like this you hurt your own cause. Everyone that reads your comment knows that you are full of shit. I've been on this site too long. My opinions and ideas about government under control of the two party fraud are too well known.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
You constant attack of the tea party movement is proof enough.
Once again you show yourself to be a liar. A simple search of my comments prove that I rarely comment on the tea party issue. There is no constant attack. But keep digging that hole by making shit up.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
You are already half way to China.
You made the accusation, so prove it. You won't because you can't. You are a liar.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
You have also made accusations that you cannot proof. At this point, I realize that we are talking over each other. So, I am walking away from what has become a nonproductive conversation. I suggest you do the same, and just walk away from this thread.
Since you won't man up and prove your vacuous statements, I'll prove that you are a liar. There have been dozens of threads on this subject over the last month and yet a simple comments search shows that since January 16, 2010, I've made comments on exactly three threads concerning the tea party and one thread about Palin that had nothing to do with the tea party. Those three threads include Tea Partiers: Ron Paul Bad, ConAgra & Bombing Iran Good Tea Partiers Attack... Ron Paul? NeoCon Palin's tea party takeover will facilitate Obama reelection Palin attacks Steele critics (Palinites bouncing into walls in confusion) LOL! I see you live by the adage, "if you can't beat them, make things up."
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Is this the direction you want to see the Tea Party go in? The only way the Tea Party folks can get any credibility is to ditch the Paultards and the losers like Baldwin. Sven Golly posted on 2010-02-19 22:04:22 ET Reply Trace http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284105&Disp=8#C8 If so, then please explain exactly what the difference between the Tea Party and the GOP is?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
The Nine Nations of North America is a book written in 1981 by Joel Garreau. In it, Garreau argues that North America can be divided into nine regions, or "nations", which have distinctive economic and cultural features. He argues that conventional national and state borders are largely artificial and irrelevant, and that his "nations" provide a more accurate way of understanding the true nature of North American society. Paul Meartz of Mayville State University called it "a classic text on the current regionalization of North America".
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#10. To: TwentyTwelve (#7)
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OFFICIALLY ABOLISHED THE INDIVIDUAL STATES IN 1972!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#11. To: TwentyTwelve (#7)
How the NWO Will Spread to Europe
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: PaulCJ, Ada (#5)
antiwar.com is owned by foreign elitists.
#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, Ada (#12)
antiwar.com is owned by foreign elitists.
#14. To: Rotara (#8)
pcr and justin r are at best 'cracked vessels' after their shameless and STUPID fucking endorsements of the Omarxistferalpuppet...
#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
Obama's anti-war rhetoric.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: Rotara (#15)
They're not worthy of mention anymore...
#17. To: TwentyTwelve, F.A. Hayek Fan, Ada (#13)
#18. To: PaulCJ, TwentyTwelve, F.A. Hayek Fan, Ada (#17)
Randolph Bourne was a progressive (socialist) while he lived.
#19. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#18)
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Progressive or not, Randolph Bourne wrote an unfinished essay called "The State." Within that essay is found the phrase "War is the Health of the State." You may have heard of it since it is quite famous. According to the editor, this phrase means “In its proper place it meant that mindless power thrived on war because war corrupted a nation’s moral fabric and especially corrupted its intellectuals.” The whole essay was a condemnation of war. A very good article on this essay was published on The Freeman. In case you do not know what The freeman is, it is one of the oldest journals in the United States focused on liberty and individualism, having been around for more than 50 years.
#20. To: PaulCJ (#19)
I have seen that the concept of "peace at any cost" has corrupted entire generations into believing that it is better to live in the worst tyranny imaginable than to risk war for one's own freedom.
#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)
Mr. Gould, you've seen no such thing because this country has never experienced the worst tyranny imaginable.
#22. To: PaulCJ (#21)
(Edited)
Actually, under Lincoln, it was pretty close.
#23. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
You are the one who supports the agenda of the two party fraud not I.
#24. To: PaulCJ (#23)
I have been defending third party options, such as the Tea Party Movement, while you have been attacking such people's movements. The fact of the matter is you are against the people.
#25. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#24)
While you've been licking the ass the two party fraud,
#26. To: PaulCJ (#25)
No, you have been supporting such corruption by attacking the people, the Tea Party Movement.
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)
#28. To: PaulCJ (#27)
The fact of the matter is that you have been against the tea party movement from the beginning because it was not part of the beltway, not part of the two party cabal that you are a part of.
#29. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
I agree that they were stupid for believing in Obama's anti-war rhetoric.
#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#28)
(Edited)
You don't believe that and we both know it.
#31. To: PaulCJ (#30)
The fact of the matter is that you are plant for the elitists and that you are using Palin as an excuse to attack the people.
#32. To: lucysmom (#29)
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#33. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, PaulCJ (#30)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: PaulCJ (#23)
I have been defending third party options, such as the Tea Party Movement
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: PaulCJ (#2)
Keep in mind that antiwar supports instituting fascist tyranny in the U.S.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker (#33)
Ah, I see Mr. CJ is again harrassing freedom minded people and projecting his own crimes unto them.
#37. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)
From the article: "Palin is a favorite of the Tea Party movement"
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#38. To: FormerLurker (#35)
Oh yeah, according to you being anti-corporate corruption and tyranny is "supporting tryanny", since you engage in doublespeak ala George Orwell.
#39. To: Ada (#0)
#40. To: TwentyTwelve, Ada (#39)
#41. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#31)
the guy who is constantly on this site defending the government,
#42. To: PaulCJ (#41)
(Edited)
That would be you. You constantly defend the two party system
#43. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#42)
You cannot cite a single example of me defending the government even once, much less constantly.
#44. To: PaulCJ (#43)
You constant attack of the tea party movement is proof enough.
#45. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#44)
But keep digging that hole by making shit up.
#46. To: PaulCJ (#45)
You are already half way to China.
#47. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#46)
(Edited)
You made the accusation, so prove it. You won't because you can't. You are a liar.
#48. To: PaulCJ, all (#46)
You made the accusation, so prove it.
#49. To: PaulCJ (#41)
That would be you. You constantly defend the two party system while insulting those who support the people's movements against the two party system.
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