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Title: Ridicule of Conspiracy Theories Focuses On Diffusing Criticism of the Powerful
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URL Source: http://www.georgewashington2.blogsp ... nspiracy-theories-focuses.html
Published: Feb 12, 2010
Author: Washington's Blog
Post Date: 2010-02-12 06:41:06 by Ada
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Views: 1429
Comments: 112

The label "conspiracy theory" is commonly used to try to discredit criticism of the powerful in government or business.

For example, just this week - after Tony Blair was confronted by the Iraq Inquiry with evidence that he had used lies to sell the Iraq war - Blair dismissed the entire Iraq Inquiry as simply being part of Britain's "obsession with conspiracy theories". (Not only did Blair know that Saddam possessed no WMDs, but the French this week accused Blair of using of ‘Soviet-style' propaganda in run-up to the Iraq war).

Of course, the American government has been busted in the last couple of years in numerous conspiracies. For example, William K. Black - professor of economics and law, and the senior regulator during the S & L crisis - says that that the government's entire strategy now - as during the S&L crisis - is to cover up how bad things are ("the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts").Similarly , 7 out of the 8 giant, money center banks went bankrupt in the 1980's during the "Latin American Crisis", and the government's response was to cover up their insolvency.

And the government spied on American citizens (even before 9/11 ... confirmed here and here), while saying "we don't spy". The government tortured prisoners in Iraq, but said "we don't torture". In other words, high-level government officials have conspired to cover up the truth.

And Tom Brokaw notes:

All wars on based on propaganda.

A concerted effort to produce propaganda is a conspiracy.

Acceptable Versus Unacceptable Conspiracy Theories

Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme was a conspiracy. The heads of Enron were found guilty of conspiracy, as was the head of Adelphia. Numerous lower-level government officials have been found guilty of conspiracy. See this, this, this, this and this.

Time Magazine's financial columnist Justin Fox writes:

Some financial market conspiracies are real ...

Most good investigative reporters are conspiracy theorists, by the way.

Indeed, conspiracies are so common that judges are trained to look at conspiracy allegations as just another legal claim to be disproven or proven by the evidence. But - while people might admit that corporate executives and low-level government officials might have engaged in conspiracies - they may be strongly opposed to considering that the wealthiest or most powerful might possibly have done so.

Indeed, those who most loudly attempt to ridicule and discredit conspiracy theories tend to focus on defending against criticism involving the powerful. This may be partly due to psychology: it is scary for people to admit that those who are supposed to be their "leaders" protecting them may in fact be human beings with complicated motives who may not always have their best interests in mind. And see this.

For example, Obama's current head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs - and a favored pick for the Supreme Court (Cass Sunstein) - previously:

Defined a conspiracy theory as "an effort to explain some event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role."

He has called for the use of state power to crush conspiracy allegations of state wrongdoing. See this, this and this.

Similarly:

Michael Kelly, a Washington Post journalist and neoconservative critic of anti-war movements on both the left and right, coined the term "fusion paranoia" to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views.

In other words, prominent neocon writer Kelly believes that everyone who is not a booster for government power and war is a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Similarly, psychologists who serve the government eagerly label anyone "taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, ... and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook" as crazy conspiracy theorists. This is not really new. In Stalinist Russia, anyone who criticized the government was labeled crazy, and many were sent to insane asylums.

Using the Power of the State to Crush Criticism of the Government The bottom line is that the power of the state is used to crush criticism of major government policies and actions (or failures to act) and high-level government officials.

Pay attention, and you'll notice that criticism of "conspiracy theories" is usually aimed at attempting to protect the state and key government players. The power of the state is seldom used to crush conspiracy theories regarding people who are not powerful . . . at least to the extent that they are not important to the government.

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#7. To: Ada (#0)

The label "conspiracy theory" is commonly used to try to discredit criticism of the powerful in government or business.

The term conspiracy theory is an accurate description of allegations for which there is no proof.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   8:26:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mister Clean (#7)

there is no proof

Results 1 - 10 of about 230,000 for FBI "no evidence" bin laden

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-13   8:30:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: groundresonance (#8)

Results 1 - 10 of about 230,000 for FBI "no evidence" bin laden

Yeah, and?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   8:35:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mister Clean (#9) (Edited)

and?

...and

the PNAC/AEI/neocon lashup said, in september 2000, just before they were installed into high positions by a rigged election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member, that they needed "a new pearl harbor"

they were duly installed into their high positions a few months later.

a few months after that, their "new pearl harbor" happened...

it just so happens that these same people are the purveyors of the official conspiracy theory, which seems to be horseshit seeing as how the FBI cant find any evidence to support that official conspiracy theory.

so now america must pick up people, more or less at random, confine them indefinitely without legal counsel or due process, and waterboard "confessions" out of them.

good deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-13   8:43:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: groundresonance (#12)

the PNAC/AEI/neocon lashup said, in september 2000, just before they were installed into high positions by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member, that they needed "a new pearl harbor"

they were duly installed into their high positions a few months later.

a few months after that, their "new pearl harbor" happened...

None of that proves they were behind 9/11. 

it just so happens that these same people are the purveyors of the official conspiracy theory, which seems to be horseshit seeing as how the FBI cant find any evidence to support that official conspiracy.

Were the planes hijacked or remotely controlled?  What proof is there that a missile hit the Pentagon?  What proof is there that Flight 93 was shot down?  What proof is there that explosives were used to bring down the Twin Towers?  Who planted those alleged explosives?  What proof is there that Dick Cheney orchestrated 9/11?

I could go on but there's no point since you have no answers to those questions.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   8:49:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mister Clean (#14)

I could go on but there's no point since you have no answers to those questions

and why doesnt anyone have any answers to those questions?

surely not because the evidence was shipped to japan, melted down and turned into toyotas before your PNAC buddies finally condescended to submit to a sham investigation.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-02-13   8:53:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: groundresonance (#18)

surely not because the evidence was shipped to japan, melted down and turned into toyotas before your PNAC buddies finally condescended to submit to a sham investigation.

How about we try just three questions...

Do you believe the planes were piloted remotely? If so, what is your evidence?

Do you believe a missile hit the Pentagon? If so, what is your evidence?

Do you believe that individuals within the US government were involved in carrying out 9/11? If so, what is your evidence?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   9:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mister Clean (#25)

Do you believe a missile hit the Pentagon? If so, what is your evidence?

I believe that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

I submit as my evidence, the NTSB's Flight 77 FDR analysis and animation included in this video by Pilots for 9/11 Truth:

If something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then the Official Conspiracy Theory falls apart and proves that a conspiracy and coverup exist at the highest levels of the US government.

Critter  posted on  2010-02-13   9:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Critter (#34)

If something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then the Official Conspiracy Theory falls apart and proves that a conspiracy and coverup exist at the highest levels of the US government.

Why would the conspirators attack the Pentagon with something other than one of the hijacked airplanes?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   9:21:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Mister Clean (#38)

Why would the conspirators attack the Pentagon with something other than one of the hijacked airplanes?

I not sure. I can't read the minds of psychopaths.

Maybe there was a specific target in the Pentagon that needed to be hit, like an auditing department, that could not be sufficiently damaged by a plane, therefore requiring the use of a missile?

Are you conceding that the FDR data does not support 77 hitting the Pentagon?

Critter  posted on  2010-02-13   9:25:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Critter (#43)

Are you conceding that the FDR data does not support 77 hitting the Pentagon?

Not at all. I am asking why the conspirators would go through the trouble of executing a plot in which 4 planes were hijacked but only two planes were used as weapons. Why, when they had a plane to use, would the conspirators shoot a missile into the Pentagon?

There is no explanation for this from the conspiracy believers.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   9:30:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Mister Clean (#48) (Edited)

It would be easy for the FBI to release the security videos they took from the gas station across the road the evidently had a good view of exactly what happened.

The video was taken by the FBI within minutes of the attack.

And no I am not going to spoon feed you this - any honest person can easily find it on their own.

Leaves you out, I am sure.

tom007  posted on  2010-02-13   9:57:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: tom007 (#63)

It would be easy for the FBI to release the security videos they took from the gas station across the road the evidently had a good view of exactly what happened.

and while they are at it, they might as well release the videotapes of the plotters boarding the plane at Logan.

Ada  posted on  2010-02-13   16:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ada (#98)

and while they are at it, they might as well release the videotapes of the plotters boarding the plane at Logan.

How do you know such a video even exists?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   16:49:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Ada (#99)

and while they are at it, they might as well release the videotapes of the plotters boarding the plane at Logan.

How do you know such a video even exists?

that's right! MC's handlers could have already destroyed all of the tapes in question.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-13   16:54:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: IRTorqued (#100)

MC's handlers could have already destroyed all of the tapes in question.

Footage was released of the hijackers going through passenger screening but the inside job guys just had to destroy footage of them boarding the planes.

Uh, yeah.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-13   16:58:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Mister Clean (#101)

Uh, yeah.

Exactly "Uh, yeah."

That's the stuff you can't hunt down because it's no longer there or under wraps, or you would stick it under our noses here, and rightly so.

Believe it or not, I hate casting aspersions on our government. I hate to feel that it is lying to me or holding important stuff back that really deserves open scrutiny. But the FBI has simply confiscated to much stuff.

They scooped up all the videos from the airports and from the hotels surrounding the Pentagon. It's almost ten years on. You can't tell me it's "national security."

Without offering any particular "conspiracy theories," I just wanna ask, "What's the big secret?"

Can you understand my skepticism?

randge  posted on  2010-02-13   17:58:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#103. To: randge (#102)

Without offering any particular "conspiracy theories," I just wanna ask, "What's the big secret?"

Can you understand my skepticism?

Your skepticism doesn't make any sense if it hinges completely on the lack of video of the hijackers entering the planes. You ignore everything else and cling to this one thing.

I guess you don't believe that flight attendants called their airlines during the flight and reported the seats the hijackers were sitting in.

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