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Title: Ridicule of Conspiracy Theories Focuses On Diffusing Criticism of the Powerful
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Published: Feb 12, 2010
Author: Washington's Blog
Post Date: 2010-02-12 06:41:06 by Ada
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The label "conspiracy theory" is commonly used to try to discredit criticism of the powerful in government or business. For example, just this week - after Tony Blair was confronted by the Iraq Inquiry with evidence that he had used lies to sell the Iraq war - Blair dismissed the entire Iraq Inquiry as simply being part of Britain's "obsession with conspiracy theories". (Not only did Blair know that Saddam possessed no WMDs, but the French this week accused Blair of using of ‘Soviet-style' propaganda in run-up to the Iraq war). Of course, the American government has been busted in the last couple of years in numerous conspiracies. For example, William K. Black - professor of economics and law, and the senior regulator during the S & L crisis - says that that the government's entire strategy now - as during the S&L crisis - is to cover up how bad things are ("the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts").Similarly , 7 out of the 8 giant, money center banks went bankrupt in the 1980's during the "Latin American Crisis", and the government's response was to cover up their insolvency. And the government spied on American citizens (even before 9/11 ... confirmed here and here), while saying "we don't spy". The government tortured prisoners in Iraq, but said "we don't torture". In other words, high-level government officials have conspired to cover up the truth. And Tom Brokaw notes: All wars on based on propaganda. A concerted effort to produce propaganda is a conspiracy. Acceptable Versus Unacceptable Conspiracy Theories Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme was a conspiracy. The heads of Enron were found guilty of conspiracy, as was the head of Adelphia. Numerous lower-level government officials have been found guilty of conspiracy. See this, this, this, this and this. Time Magazine's financial columnist Justin Fox writes: Some financial market conspiracies are real ... Most good investigative reporters are conspiracy theorists, by the way. Indeed, conspiracies are so common that judges are trained to look at conspiracy allegations as just another legal claim to be disproven or proven by the evidence. But - while people might admit that corporate executives and low-level government officials might have engaged in conspiracies - they may be strongly opposed to considering that the wealthiest or most powerful might possibly have done so. Indeed, those who most loudly attempt to ridicule and discredit conspiracy theories tend to focus on defending against criticism involving the powerful. This may be partly due to psychology: it is scary for people to admit that those who are supposed to be their "leaders" protecting them may in fact be human beings with complicated motives who may not always have their best interests in mind. And see this. For example, Obama's current head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs - and a favored pick for the Supreme Court (Cass Sunstein) - previously: Defined a conspiracy theory as "an effort to explain some event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role." He has called for the use of state power to crush conspiracy allegations of state wrongdoing. See this, this and this. Similarly: Michael Kelly, a Washington Post journalist and neoconservative critic of anti-war movements on both the left and right, coined the term "fusion paranoia" to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views. In other words, prominent neocon writer Kelly believes that everyone who is not a booster for government power and war is a crazy conspiracy theorist. Similarly, psychologists who serve the government eagerly label anyone "taking a cynical stance toward politics, mistrusting authority, endorsing democratic practices, ... and displaying an inquisitive, imaginative outlook" as crazy conspiracy theorists. This is not really new. In Stalinist Russia, anyone who criticized the government was labeled crazy, and many were sent to insane asylums. Using the Power of the State to Crush Criticism of the Government The bottom line is that the power of the state is used to crush criticism of major government policies and actions (or failures to act) and high-level government officials. Pay attention, and you'll notice that criticism of "conspiracy theories" is usually aimed at attempting to protect the state and key government players. The power of the state is seldom used to crush conspiracy theories regarding people who are not powerful . . . at least to the extent that they are not important to the government.
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#36. To: Mister Clean (#32)
pretty successful operation, wasnt it? but how can you miss when you've got the media, the congress, the president and exxon behind you? how can you miss when you can parlay 50 years of holyhoax propaganda into support for the israelis and israeli americans who most likely dreamed this shit up? why did netanyahu think 9/11 was such a good deal?
why did PNAC say they needed "a new pearl harbor"?
Why would the conspirators attack the Pentagon with something other than one of the hijacked airplanes?
Gee, it must be because they were planning 9/11 and they wanted to telegraph their nefarious plot to the world!
No way - its obvious that the 777 jetliner went through the 10 foot diameter hole in the pentagon - only a American hating KOOK would think otherwise. Besides that's what the government said happened and they are always up front with us and would NEVER twist the facts to cover up their failures. Only a KOOK would think otherwise. And they need to be water bordered to come to their senses.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" In other words, you admit you have no proof to support your theories. But I already knew that.
and you still wont admit that the official version of 9/11 is, according to your own definition of "conspiracy theory", a conspiracy theory, huh? why is that?
I not sure. I can't read the minds of psychopaths. Maybe there was a specific target in the Pentagon that needed to be hit, like an auditing department, that could not be sufficiently damaged by a plane, therefore requiring the use of a missile? Are you conceding that the FDR data does not support 77 hitting the Pentagon?
By it's very nature 9/11 was a conspiracy. Where we may part company is in who the conspirators were. That is the "theory" part. Look at the actual strikes. You had some real fuckwits what could not walk and chew gum at the same time do some pretty good flying in multi-engine planes at very high speeds. IMO one of the weakest links is related to that. It's the Pentagram hit. Do you know what "ground effect" is, and how speed and altitude directly affects it? Then there's Bldg 7 and it's collapse. There's enough out there that I know the official story is bullshit, and I don't need all the answers to be able to say that because they could just as easily have blamed the fucking tooth fairy as being behind it all, and it would be as believable. I would like to know what really happened.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or Were the planes remotely piloted?
post mortem waterboarding? yeah, that'd be kinda unproductive, wouldnt it, if you needed defendants for your show trials.
how do i know? the evidence was screwed with before a proper investigation could be mounted... and the last thing in the world the most powerful people in america wanted was a proper investigation, anyhow. the fact remains: there are plenty of technologies available to have steered those planes into those buildings, without pilots.
Not at all. I am asking why the conspirators would go through the trouble of executing a plot in which 4 planes were hijacked but only two planes were used as weapons. Why, when they had a plane to use, would the conspirators shoot a missile into the Pentagon? There is no explanation for this from the conspiracy believers.
Yes and allegations that people within the US government were behind it is where the "theory" part comes in.
how do i know? Exactly. You don't know. Thanks!
...and the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is still a conspiracy theory, because, as you have pointed out, there's no proof bin laden did it.
Ticketing information, surveillance footage, reports from the flight crew and cockpit voice recordings serve as proof. Sir, you have none of these to offer in evidence. 1. There is no documented record of the purported 9-11 terrorists making a plane reservation. If so, there would be a “record locator,” complete with details. 2. There is no documented record of the purported 9-11 terrorists buying or using a ticket. (IDs required) 3. There is no hard-copy of a printed ticket ‘copy.’ 4. There is no record of the purported 9-11 terrorists on any of the passenger manifests, with all legitimate passengers being accounted for. 5. There is no record of the purported 9-11 terrorists in the autopsies. 6. There is not as much as a suggestion that the purported 9-11 terrorists had the needed pilot skills - but rather the contrary. 7. At least seven of the purported 9-11 terrorists are known to be still alive - with no questions being asked. 8. There is no documentation (per the FBI [Mueller] to link the purported 9- 11 terrorists to the events of the day! 9. The presented pictures of the 9-11 hijackers don't match the purported terrorists.
of course, it we boil the whole thing down to traditional methods of compiling a suspect list... "motive, means, and opportunity"... then we've got to go with the PNAC people, dont we? they said they needed a new pearl harbor, which is indication of motive. they had all the means in the world, once they were installed into their positions after the florida election recount, which was looked after by a PNAC member and the president-elect's brother. opportunities abounded, seeing as how these people had been set up in some of the most powerful positions in america.
Sir, you are free to reject reality with as much gusto as you can muster.
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if we add a couple parameters to the "motive, means, opportunity" method of compiling a suspect list, then what? how bout if we add "character" and "prior convictions"... seeing as how this seems to have been a joint israeli/israeli american/oil company project, we can look at israel's character and prior convictions. israel was founded in terror, and it's no stretch to imagine they'd use terror in an attempt to preserve themselves... that's their "character". then we come to "prior convictions"... proven false flag attacks, by israel, on their supposed friends in attempts to manipulate those friends into doing the bleeding for them.
Here's one: The Pentagon mysteriously lost over a trillion dollars and there was an investigation trying to find it. According to some, the area of the Pentagon hit on 9/11 was the same area where the accounting records were kept, and that it was a recently renovated and reinforced section of the building. To destroy it blatantly with a missile would not work out so well, so the missile strike had to happen under the cover story of a hijacked plane hitting the building. But, once again, I am not a psychopath, and have trouble thinking like one. All I know for sure is that the the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) is a coverup of what actually happened that day. The EVIDENCE of it being an inside job far outweighs the evidence supporting the OCT. The actual flight data recorder data shows the plane on a different flight path and a much higher altitude than required to hit the light poles and the Pentagon as claimed by the OCT.
Seems to me I remember them taking that off of their website. I know it was there, I saw it myself. I wonder what standards of proof would suffice for the skeptics, because that high standard of proof is not even in the commissions report. If it was, there would be no doubt at all.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Alex Jones is the Robert Tilton of the conspiracy world. ~Mister Clean Live free or 9/11 is not on that list.
That is a convenient way to plug holes in the "inside job" conspiracy theory.
it's there now, but i remember a kerfluffle a couple years ago about it disappearing... it could be that they did a little trial of taking it down, but so many people had downloaded it and made a fuss about it that they had to put it back up in an attempt to save face. i dont ever remember NOT finding that quote, on the PNAC website, when i looked for it, though. Rebuildi ng America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century PNAC page number 51
That is a convenient way to ignore evidence of an inside job.
It would be easy for the FBI to release the security videos they took from the gas station across the road the evidently had a good view of exactly what happened. The video was taken by the FBI within minutes of the attack. And no I am not going to spoon feed you this - any honest person can easily find it on their own. Leaves you out, I am sure.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" it's pretty plain to see that the israelis are degenerating into downright psychopathy... for instance, here's mr dror in the jewish forward, who says that all jews must abandon their morals in defense of israel... When Survival of the Jewish People Is at Stake, There’s No Place for Morals ...which is kind of a joke, seeing as how it's obvious that radical zionist jews were racial supremacist psychopaths from day one. what does that have to do with 9/11? what does that have to do with the dancing israelis, who, by their own admission, were dispatched on 9/11 to "document the event"?
Sir, you are free to reject reality with as much gusto as you can muster. It is not gusto, my friend. I am asking you to demonstrate a positive.
9. The presented pictures of the 9-11 hijackers don't match the purported terrorists. And there is no security video from any of the four major airports that shows any of the alleged perps going through ticketing process. Evidently all the cameras were inop that day! Horray! Seems my liquor has much better security videos that the US airports. We have on store for thirty days a record of anyone who comes close to our front door.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And there is no security video from any of the four major airports that shows any of the alleged perps going through ticketing process.
that's my high school choir director. he's good friends with both of these guys...
Airport Video No Video Shows Hijackers Boarding Targeted Flights Until 2004, the only video available to the public showing the alleged hijackers at any airport was a clip from a security camera at the Portland, Maine airport showing Mohammed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari going through security. 1 The public has not been treated to any video showing any of the alleged hijackers at Boston Logan Airport, the origin of Flights 11 and 175, or Newark Airport, the origin of Flight 93. Video allegedly showing four hijackers boarding Flight 77 at Dulles Airport was released by a law firm representing some survivors' families in July of 2004, on the same day that the Kean Commission released its report. 2 At a time when most convenience stores across the country had security cameras, Logan, a major international airport, supposedly had no security cameras in its departure lounges. 3 According to Michael Taylor, president of American International Security Corp, the Newark airport does have video cameras in its departure lounges. So does Dulles International Airport. 4 However, the FBI has refused to release any video from these airports that might prove that the alleged hijackers boarded the flights. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/airportvideo.html
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That Muslim radicals purchased tickets, boarded the planes and hijacked them has already been demonstrated over the past 8 years in everything from news reports to evidence presented at the Moussaoui trial. What hasn't been demonstrated is that 9/11 was an inside job.
That site is as credible as prison planet.
are you going to post transcripts of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confessions, as he was being waterboarded for the 183rd time?
Portland, Maine And this is all you have. All that you can reasonably be expected to come up with at a moment's notice, I'll grant you that. But you won't find much more. We want to see hijackers in the airports that the fated flights took off from. Here is Atta, LATE because the Portland flight is late, on his way to his historic mission. A mission that was years in the planning. He should be Johnny-on-the-spot as purported ringleader of this operation, and here he is lollygagging around Portland. And what is his car doing at Logan? We would like some reasonable explanation of these facts almost ten years on. And lots of us would like to see these guys getting on a plane at the gate or at least walking through the airports of origin on video which it seems is too classified to date for us to even get a still of.
So MC what time is in in your video?? 5:45 or 5:53?? Or maybe both?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" you dont seem to be willing to admit the beauty of this operation: everybody does what they're told to do, even if it violates the constitution and basic human decency, because the neocon octopus is so powerful. "you need a patsy for 9/11, mr rumsfeld, mr cheney, mr perle, mr zakheim...?" "no problem, sir, we'll have a confession in a couple minutes... please wear your raincoat and galoshes, sir."
Perhaps you can provide me a list of sites that are approved by you.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThere is no proof that the planes were remotely piloted or that the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosives or that a missile hit the Pentagon or that Flight 93 was shot down.
#37. To: Mister Clean (#35)
#38. To: Critter (#34)
If something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then the Official Conspiracy Theory falls apart and proves that a conspiracy and coverup exist at the highest levels of the US government.
#39. To: groundresonance (#37)
why did PNAC say they needed "a new pearl harbor"?
#40. To: Critter (#34)
#41. To: groundresonance (#36)
but how can you miss when you've got the media, the congress, the president and exxon behind you?
#42. To: Mister Clean (#38)
#43. To: Mister Clean (#38)
Why would the conspirators attack the Pentagon with something other than one of the hijacked airplanes?
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#44. To: Mister Clean (#29)
Every 9/11 conspiracy theory, however, remains just that.
die kill ~~ Me
#45. To: groundresonance (#42)
and you still wont admit that the official version of 9/11 is, according to your own definition of "conspiracy theory", a conspiracy theory, huh?
#46. To: Mister Clean (#35)
The Muslim radicals who hijacked the planes were not waterboarded.
#47. To: Mister Clean (#45)
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Were the planes remotely piloted?
#48. To: Critter (#43)
Are you conceding that the FDR data does not support 77 hitting the Pentagon?
#49. To: PSUSA (#44)
By it's very nature 9/11 was a conspiracy.
#50. To: groundresonance (#47)
Were the planes remotely piloted?
#51. To: Mister Clean (#49)
allegations that people within the US government were behind it is where the "theory" part comes in.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#21)
There is no PROOF, for example that there were any Arabs on those planes. I invite you to PROVE it.
#53. To: Mister Clean (#50)
#54. To: randge (#52)
Sir, you have none of these to offer in evidence.
#55. To: Mister Clean, EVERYONE ELSE (#54)
#56. To: Mister Clean (#50)
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#57. To: Mister Clean (#48)
There is no explanation for this from the conspiracy believers.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#58. To: groundresonance, all (#53)
they said they needed a new pearl harbor
die kill ~~ Me
#59. To: Itistoolate (#55)
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#60. To: Critter (#57)
But, once again, I am not a psychopath, and have trouble thinking like one.
#61. To: PSUSA (#58)
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Seems to me I remember them taking that off of their website.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
#62. To: Mister Clean (#60)
That is a convenient way to plug holes in the "inside job" conspiracy theory.
The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby
#63. To: Mister Clean (#48)
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#64. To: Mister Clean (#60)
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#65. To: Mister Clean (#54)
Sir, you have none of these to offer in evidence.
#66. To: randge (#52)
8. There is no documentation (per the FBI [Mueller] to link the purported 9- 11 terrorists to the events of the day!
#67. To: tom007 (#66)
#68. To: Mister Clean (#67)
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#69. To: Mister Clean (#67)
#70. To: randge (#65)
I am asking you to demonstrate a positive.
#71. To: tom007 (#69)
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/airportvideo.html
#72. To: Mister Clean (#70)
#73. To: Mister Clean (#67)
#74. To: Mister Clean (#67)
#75. To: Mister Clean (#71)
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#76. To: Mister Clean (#71)
That site is as credible as prison planet.
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