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Title: Refuse to Pay Government Debt Incurred for Unlawful and Oppressive Purposes ... It Is the Personal Debt of Those Who Ordered It to Be Incurred
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010 ... -government-debt-incurred.html
Published: Feb 12, 2010
Author: GW
Post Date: 2010-02-12 18:04:39 by Horse
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There is an established legal principle that people should not have to repay their government's debt to the extent that it is incurred to launch aggressive wars or to oppress the people.

These "odious debts" are considered to be the personal debts of the tyrants who incurred them, rather than the country's debt.

Wikipedia gives a good overview of the principle:

In international law, odious debt is a legal theory which holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, such as wars of aggression, should not be enforceable. Such debts are thus considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.

The doctrine was formalized in a 1927 treatise by Alexander Nahum Sack, a Russian émigré legal theorist, based upon 19th Century precedents including Mexico's repudiation of debts incurred by Emperor Maximilian's regime, and the denial by the United States of Cuban liability for debts incurred by the Spanish colonial regime. According to Sack:

When a despotic regime contracts a debt, not for the needs or in the interests of the state, but rather to strengthen itself, to suppress a popular insurrection, etc, this debt is odious for the people of the entire state. This debt does not bind the nation; it is a debt of the regime, a personal debt contracted by the ruler, and consequently it falls with the demise of the regime. The reason why these odious debts cannot attach to the territory of the state is that they do not fulfil one of the conditions determining the lawfulness of State debts, namely that State debts must be incurred, and the proceeds used, for the needs and in the interests of the State. Odious debts, contracted and utilised for purposes which, to the lenders' knowledge, are contrary to the needs and the interests of the nation, are not binding on the nation – when it succeeds in overthrowing the government that contracted them – unless the debt is within the limits of real advantages that these debts might have afforded. The lenders have committed a hostile act against the people, they cannot expect a nation which has freed itself of a despotic regime to assume these odious debts, which are the personal debts of the ruler. Patricia Adams, executive director of Probe International (an environmental and public policy advocacy organisation in Canada), and author of Odious Debts: Loose Lending, Corruption, and the Third World's Environmental Legacy, has stated that:

by giving creditors an incentive to lend only for purposes that are transparent and of public benefit, future tyrants will lose their ability to finance their armies, and thus the war on terror and the cause of world peace will be better served.

A recent article by economists Seema Jayachandran and Michael Kremer has renewed interest in this topic. They propose that the idea can be used to create a new type of economic sanction to block further borrowing by dictators.

Jubilee USA notes that creditors may lose their rights to repayment of odious debts:

Odious debt is an established legal principle. Legally, debt is to be considered odious if the government used the money for personal purposes or to oppress the people. Moreover, in cases where borrowed money was used in ways contrary to the people’s interest, with the knowledge of the creditors, the creditors may be said to have committed a hostile act against the people. Creditors cannot legitimately expect repayment of such debts.

The United States set the first precedent of odious debt when it seized control of Cuba from Spain. Spain insisted that Cuba repay the loans made to them by Spain. The U.S. repudiated (refused to pay) that debt, arguing that the debt was imposed on Cuba by force of arms and served Spain’s interest rather than Cuba’s, and that the debt therefore ought not be repaid. This precedent was upheld by international law in Great Britain v. Costa Rica (1923) when money was put to use for illegitimate purposes with full knowledge of the lending institution; the resulting debt was annulled. The launch of the Iraq war was an unlawful war of aggression. It was based on false premises (weapons of mass destruction and a connection between Iraq and 9/11; see this, this, this, this, this and this). Therefore, the trillions in debts incurred in fighting that war are odious debts which the people might lawfully refuse to pay for.

The Bush and Obama administrations have also oppressed the American people through spying on us - even before 9/11 (confirmed here and here) - harassment of innocent grandmothers and other patriotic Americans criticizing government action, and other assaults on liberty and the rule of law. See this. The monies borrowed to finance these oppressive activities are also odious debts.

The government has also given trillions in bailouts, loans, guarantees and other perks to the too big to fails. These funds have not helped the American people. For example, the giant banks are still not loaning. They have solely gone into speculative investments and to line the pockets of the muckety-mucks in the form of bonuses. PhD economist Dean Baker said that the true purpose of the bank rescues is "a massive redistribution of wealth to the bank shareholders and their top executives". Two leading IMF officials, the former Vice President of the Dallas Federal Reserve, and the the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City have all said that the United States is controlled by an oligarchy. PhD economist Michael Hudson says that the financial “parasites” have killed the American economy, and they are "sucking as much money out" as they can before "jumping ship". These are odious debts.

Bush, Cheney, Paulson, Geithner, Summers and others who ordered that these debts be incurred must be held personally liable for them. We the American people are not responsible to creditors - such as China, Saudi Arabia - who have knowingly financed these illegal and oppressive activities which have not benefited the American people, but solely the handful of corrupt politicians who authorized them.

Note: Of course, many mom and pop American investors hold U.S. treasury bonds as well. The size of their haircuts on U.S. bonds might - under a strict reading of the principle of odious debt - depend on whether or not they knew of the unlawful and oppressive activities of the U.S. government. Arguably, small individual investors tend to be much less knowledgeable about such matters than other countries such as China or Saudi Arabia.

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There is an established legal principle that people should not have to repay their government's debt to the extent that it is incurred to launch aggressive wars or to oppress the people.

These "odious debts" are considered to be the personal debts of the tyrants who incurred them, rather than the country's debt.

Wikipedia gives a good overview of the principle:

In international law, odious debt is a legal theory which holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, such as wars of aggression, should not be enforceable. Such debts are thus considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.

The doctrine was formalized in a 1927 treatise by Alexander Nahum Sack, a Russian émigré legal theorist, based upon 19th Century precedents including Mexico's repudiation of debts incurred by Emperor Maximilian's regime, and the denial by the United States of Cuban liability for debts incurred by the Spanish colonial regime. According to Sack:

When a despotic regime contracts a debt, not for the needs or in the interests of the state, but rather to strengthen itself, to suppress a popular insurrection, etc, this debt is odious for the people of the entire state. This debt does not bind the nation; it is a debt of the regime, a personal debt contracted by the ruler, and consequently it falls with the demise of the regime. The reason why these odious debts cannot attach to the territory of the state is that they do not fulfil one of the conditions determining the lawfulness of State debts, namely that State debts must be incurred, and the proceeds used, for the needs and in the interests of the State. Odious debts, contracted and utilised for purposes which, to the lenders' knowledge, are contrary to the needs and the interests of the nation, are not binding on the nation – when it succeeds in overthrowing the government that contracted them – unless the debt is within the limits of real advantages that these debts might have afforded. The lenders have committed a hostile act against the people, they cannot expect a nation which has freed itself of a despotic regime to assume these odious debts, which are the personal debts of the ruler......

***** Refuse to Pay Government Debt Incurred for Unlawful and Oppressive Purposes ... It Is the Personal Debt of Those Who Ordered It to Be Incurred

works for me!!!

A KING'S CHARTER WHICH REFUSES TO DIE

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=114595

The Enduring Legacy of The First Landing http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 / Genesis 15:13-14 / Galatians 3:16,17....29 / Psalm 2

"America, the land of the free and the home of the brave? or. . . the land of the fee and the home of the slave? The "American Revolution" is as well known an apparition as is the "War For Independence". Sadly, once again the spot-light is beamed upon a massive lie; in fact this one is a double-whammy. Not only was that war NOT a spontaneous uprising against tyranny, we Americans were fooled into believing we "won" that war.......

We'll take a short side-trip now to clear up some more lies we've been taught in history concerning the American "victory" over Great Britain. When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington on October 19th, 1781, he surrendered the battle, not the war. Under the Articles of Capitulation, the common British soldiers were held in forts, under conditions that they were fed the same as American troops; the officers -- one for every fifty soldiers -- lived nearby to see to their good treatment, while the officers themselves lived in fine quarters in society being served like royalty; the injured were hospitalized and treated, all at the cost of Americans (as usual).

The war had not been formally ended; and in fact, it was nearly six months later -- in March, 1782 -- that the House of Commons finally settled on a resolution to advise the king that the fighting part of the war should end. . . to be continued to this day, under cover, with silent weapons for quiet wars. From The History of the American Revolution, Vol. 2, Ramsay, 617-9, we read:

". . . Dec. 12,1781, it was moved in the House of Commons that a resolution should be adopted declaring it to be their opinion,

"That all farther attempts to reduce the Americans to obedience by force would be ineffectual, and injurious to the true interests of Great Britain."

The resolution failed at that time. Then:

"General Conway in five days after (Feb. 27), brought forward another motion expressed in different words, but to the same effect with that which he had lost by a single vote. This caused a long debate which lasted till two o'clock in the morning. It was then moved to adjourn the debate till the 13th of March.

". . . together with other suspicious circumstances, induced General Conway to move another resolution, expressed in the most decisive language. This was to the following effect that,

"The house would consider as enemies to his majesty and the country, all those who should advise or by any means attempt the further prosecution of offensive war, on the continent of North America, for the purpose of reducing the colonies to obedience by force."

"This motion after a feeble opposition was carried without a division. . . This resolution and the preceding address, to which it had reference, may be considered as the closing scene of the American war."

In other words, the good ol' boys got together and decided to stop the fighting. They had other ways to control their subjects (slaves) in America other than by "force", via the Rothschild banking cartel. It's interesting to note, too, that although the fighting stopped in 1781, the actual Treaty of Peace was not finalized until 1783.

Under this treaty the King, his heirs, subjects, etc. were allowed to keep, in perpetuity, any property they owned in America, without having to become American citizens; as well the King (and his heirs and successors) was to retain mineral rights: one third of all gold, silver and copper mined in America. The King granted fishing rights even designating where the fishermen could clean and dry their fish. To the victor go the spoils?

Nearly a decade later another very controversial treaty was signed, on November 19, 1794 -- Jay's Treaty -- named after US Supreme Court justice John Jay, allegedly attempting to "clear up some of the lingering problems of American separation from Great Britain", namely: the British were causing problems in and around the territory of the U.S.; had not attended to all of the war reparations (such as compensation for large-scale theft of slaves) agreed to in the 1783 treaty.

The British also continued to occupy western military posts and to pursue fur trading in the Great Lakes region as if it were their own. Further, they interfered with shipping traffic in the Caribbean, searching American ships for contraband and impressing American seamen into service to the crown. Odd goings-on, to say the least, within a country that had allegedly defeated the British. ......"

http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,

**** "A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

"Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

The ruling elite of the World Revolution - Zionism in alliance with another of its tools, Freemasonry - has whipped the American people into a war frenzy of revenge on an as yet unidentified enemy. The New War has been dubbed a Holy War. It appears the battle will be between Judaized Christians and Muslims, so in lock-step with the plan of the Ruling Sect, we'll kill one another off for them.

The higher echelon Freemasons and the Zionist elite who are fomenting the 'protracted' war will, as always, stay out of harms way while the herd dives headlong into a mutual slaughter.

George W. Bush, like the good little puppet he is, promised that whether or not bin Laden is captured, this war will sweep across the middle east until terrorism is stamped out. Yes. Like the neverendingwar on Drugs stamped out drug use; or the neverendingwar on Crime stamped out crime. Those 'wars' were meant only to stamp out huge chunks of freedom and liberty, and the final chunks are crumbling out now under the NEVERENDINGWAR on Terrorism. The Protocols - No. 9 - has this to say about TERRORISM:

"... we, the lawgivers, shall execute judgment and sentence, we shall slay and we shall spare, we, as head of all our troops, are mounted on the steed of the leader. We rule by force of will, because in our hands are the fragments of a once powerful party, now vanquished by us.

"And the weapons in our hands are limitless ambitions, burning greediness, merciless vengeance, hatreds and malice.

"It is from us that the all-engulfing terror proceeds.

"We have in our service persons of all opinions, of all doctrines, restorating monarchists, demagogues, socialists, communists, and utopian dreamers of every kind. We have harnessed them all to the task; each one of them on his own account is boring away at the last remnants of authority, is striving to overthrow all established forms of order.

"By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: but we will not give them peace until they openly acknowledge our international Super-Government and with submissiveness." ......."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution19.htm

The Greatest Hoax by Charlie Samples [Revelation 20:7-10]

".....Lindsey goes on to make a list of all the things that we are seeing as fulfilled Bible prophecy in our lifetimes. The list goes like this:

1. The return of the dispersed Jews to Israel to become a nation again in 1948.
2. The Jews' recapture of the Old City of Jerusalem in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.
3. The rise of Russia as a powerful nation and enemy of Israel.
4. The Arab confederation against the new State of Israel.
5. The rise of a military power in the Orient that can field an army of 200 million soldiers. (Red china alone boasts that she has this number of troops!)
6. The revival of the old Roman Empire in the form of a ten-nation confederacy. (I believe the European Common Market is ultimately going to be this power.)
7. The revival of the dark occultic practices of ancient Babylon.
8. The unprecedented turn to drugs.
9. The increase of international revolution.
10. The increase of wars.
11. The increase of earthquakes.
12. The increase of famines through the population explosion.
13. The coming of plagues.
14. The increase of pollution.
15. The departure of many Christian churches from the historic truths of Christianity.
16. The move toward a one-world religion.
17. The move toward a one-world government.
18. The decline of the United States as a major world power.
19. The increase of lawlessness.
20. The decline of the family unit.

Before I discuss the significance of this list, I want to go back to the paragraph where Lindsey was talking about the Rapture occurring before the Tribulation period begins. After Lindsey says that it would be good to briefly summarize the major signs that Jesus and the prophets said would herald the Tribulation and the return of Jesus to this earth... he goes on to say: "Even though many of these signs are appalling in themselves, their tremendous significance should gladden the heart of every true believer in Christ."

WHAT??? He is saying that all of the things that he listed should make Christians happy! Look again at the list.

The revival of the occult... the unprecedented turn to drugs... international revolution... increase of wars... famines.... plagues... increase of pollution... the departure of many Christian churches from the historic truths of Christianity (he got that one right!!!)... THE MOVE TOWARD A ONE-WORLD RELIGION. THE MOVE TOWARD A ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT. THE DECLINE OF THE UNTIED STATES AS A MAJOR WORLD POWER. THE DECLINE OF THE FAMILY UNIT.

He says that these things should make us happy.

CONSEQUENTLY, THE ATTITUDE THAT COMES FROM THIS IS THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE BIBLE PROPHECY AND NOT ONLY IS THERE NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, THERE'S NOTHING WE SHOULD DO ABOUT IT!!!!

There are forces at work in this world that have been trying to destroy this country for decades. There have been individuals with literally limitless financial resources who have openly stated that they want to destroy the sovereignty of the United States. One such group of people are RHODES' SCHOLARS! That's right, Rhodes' Scholars. The Rhodes' Scholarships were set up by the late Cecil Rhodes who wrote that he wanted the United States recovered by England as an integral part of the British Empire.

Do you know of any influential Rhodes' Scholars? Where are Rhodes' Scholars indoctrinated? Oxford. In England. Pick up a copy of Scofield's Reference Bible and look at the binding. Where does it say the book is published? Oxford. See the connection? I think it is very clear. It is Rhodes' Scholars who have been responsible for most of the legislation and rulings in this country that seem to be counter-productive. Why? For the benefit of this country? Not hardly. There is an all out effort, funded by English money, namely Rhodes', Carnegie's, Rothschild's and others, to destroy this country.

Wake up, America. You have been lulled to sleep in your padded pews! You have been gassed with a religious indoctrination that has led you down a path of destruction and slavery. Your pastors have you convinced that you are seeing bible prophecy fulfilled. So, just sit back and make the best of it. Forget about what's coming. After all, before it gets TOO BAD, you'll be Raptured out! You won't be left to face it. WAKE UP!!!

While all of you religious people who have bought this lie are sitting back in near poverty, barely scratching by, taxed to death, licensed to death, and so on, ad nauseum; the MEN who have conned you into believing this is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, live in $150,000 homes, drive new cars every year, receive all types of tax credits and exemptions, and play golf three or four times a week! Wake up!!! Wake up!!! Wake up!!!

All of this supposed fulfillment of bible prophecy has been bought and paid for by the people who created it. None of what is going on today is bible (or Bible) prophecy. It has been masterminded and carried out on an unsuspecting world by the ultra, ultra rich. Yes. They want what would appear to be a one-world government. They want what would appear to be a one-world religion. It is a plan for ultimate control of the life of every individual that lives on the planet. They have used the religions of the world to anesthestise their adherents into accepting this most sinister lie and devious plan. -- End" --

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm

THE GREATEST HOAX - THE UNION JACK - EPILOGUE

"....A political program which alleged goal is world peace, brought to us by religious lies, wars, death and destruction... "

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

What You Need to Know About the British Israel World Federation Movement

In the late 1930s, the British Israel World Federation Movement's Destiny Magazine published articles identifying **** September 2001 as the target date for beginning their planned global theocratic state -- a "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth."...."

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-2.htm

"British Israel World Federation Movement

The following two images are taken from the Congressional Record of the United States of America, 76th Congress, Third Session, dated April 19, 1940.

Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife...."

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...british-israel/index.html

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The reason why these odious debts cannot attach to the territory of the state is that they do not fulfil one of the conditions determining the lawfulness of State debts, namely that **** State debts must be incurred, and the proceeds used, for the needs and in the interests of the State. Odious debts, contracted and utilised for purposes which, to the lenders' knowledge, are contrary to the needs and the interests of the nation, are not binding on the nation – when it succeeds in overthrowing the government that contracted them –

Why an Income Tax is Not Necessary to Fund the U.S. Government

***** Where do your "income" tax dollars go?

The best place to look for an answer to this question would be a government report, so let's take just one at random:

President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control A Report to The President (Reagan)

January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service. The excerpt below can be found on page 12.

"Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90% of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.

Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets. If the Government took 100% of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for several days.

Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, ******** 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.

*

**** In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."

**** So what we have is a central bank issuing worthless paper "money" that controls our economy, our lives and our future. This private banking cartel was unconstitutionally granted this power by a devious, scheming group of senators back in 1913. In essence what they did was place the American people into indentured servitude by forcing The People to pay usury on worthless fiat currency (paper money created out of nothing), **** not to fund the government, ******** but to enrich the bankers and ****** fund wars in which America should never be involved. This system exists not to fund the government, but to allow the U.S. Congress carte blanche power to continue funding unconstitutional agencies and programs by providing them with a bottomless source of worthless ink......."

http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

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once again:

**** There is an established legal principle that people should not have to repay their government's debt to the extent that it is incurred **** to launch aggressive wars or to **** oppress the people. [ATKHWDI Note: Genesis 15:13-14/Gal. 3:16,17...29]

In international law, odious debt is a legal theory which holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, such as wars of aggression, should not be enforceable. Such debts are thus considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.

These "odious debts" are considered to be the personal debts of the tyrants who incurred them, rather than the country's debt.......

Refuse to Pay Government Debt Incurred for Unlawful and Oppressive Purposes ... It Is the Personal Debt of Those Who Ordered It to Be Incurred

Tea Party Day April 15, 2010.

Let's see, on April 19, 2010 it will be 70 years to the day that "Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife" was published in the Congressional Record. It will be 403 years [April 29 Gregorian, April 19 Julian, or is it vice verse?] that the cross was planted at Cape Henry. April 19 is also significant to American patriots for other reasons, to which I will let you draw your own conclusions.

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oh, oh. I just did a search for "seventy years" and it could be coincidence....but....as all scripture is given for example, and God DID say Zion [Christian America Psalm 2:6] would be dwelling with the daughter of Babylon [Zecharaiah 2:7], and said we would "go even to Babylon" [spiritually] like a woman in travail [the woman in Revelation 12, the woman who was also seen over America when Christ was born, Isaiah 66:7], and from there we would be delivered [Micah 4:10], there is this:

Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations. bible.cc/jeremiah/25-12.htm

13 And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. 14 For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands.

15 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it. 16 And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.

17 Then took I the cup at the LORD's hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me: 18 To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day; 19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, and his servants, and his princes, and all his people; 20 And all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of Uz, and all the kings of the land of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and Azzah, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod, 21 Edom, and Moab, and the children of Ammon, 22 And all the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which are beyond the sea, 23 Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners, 24 And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert, 25 And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes, 26 And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

27 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you. 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink. 29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.

[The verse they use on "The Battle Hymn of the Republic. http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/h/bhymnotr.htm ]

31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.

32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

34 Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel.

35 And the shepherds shall have no way to flee, nor the principal of the flock to escape.

36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, shall be heard: for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.

37 And the peaceable habitations are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.

38 He hath forsaken his covert, as the lion: for their land is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor, and because of his fierce anger. bible.cc/jeremiah/25-38.htm

http://kingjbible.com/jeremiah/25.htm

BTW, the Queen of England has acknowledged The City of London [the city that has statues of Gog and Magog as its 'guardians'] as the new Babylon [see comment at henry makow "Bohemian Grove"].

And now I'm out of here....I'm freaking myself out.

BUT, before I go, on a more HOPE, HOPE, HOPEFUL note [!]:

Wake up, America. You have been lulled to sleep in your padded pews! You have been gassed with a religious indoctrination that has led you down a path of destruction and slavery. Your pastors have you convinced that you are seeing bible prophecy fulfilled. So, just sit back and make the best of it. Forget about what's coming. After all, before it gets TOO BAD, you'll be Raptured out! You won't be left to face it. WAKE UP!!!

While all of you religious people who have bought this lie are sitting back in near poverty, barely scratching by, taxed to death, licensed to death, and so on, ad nauseum; the MEN who have conned you into believing this is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, live in $150,000 homes, drive new cars every year, receive all types of tax credits and exemptions, and play golf three or four times a week! Wake up!!! Wake up!!! Wake up!!!

See Isaiah 52 [ http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/52.htm ] and Isaiah 66 [ http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/66.htm ]. That's what I HOPE for AMERICA's sake, is going on....this COULD be "the day of the LORD" approaching, but as I said, I'll leave you to your own conclusions .

bible.cc/john/3-16.htm / Isaiah 9:6-7

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-02-20   18:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

While all of you religious people who have bought this lie are sitting back in near poverty, barely scratching by, taxed to death, licensed to death, and so on, ad nauseum; the MEN who have conned you into believing this is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, live in $150,000 homes, drive new cars every year, receive all types of tax credits and exemptions, and play golf three or four times a week! Wake up!!! Wake up!!! Wake up!!!

All of this supposed fulfillment of bible prophecy has been bought and paid for by the people who created it. None of what is going on today is bible (or Bible) prophecy. It has been masterminded and carried out on an unsuspecting world by the ultra, ultra rich. Yes. They want what would appear to be a one-world government. They want what would appear to be a one-world religion. It is a plan for ultimate control of the life of every individual that lives on the planet. They have used the religions of the world to anesthestise their adherents into accepting this most sinister lie and devious plan. -- End" --

www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm

See: scepterofjudah.net/SJ52Th...dicZionismin52Themes.html

email comments & suggestions to: **** rothschild.scepterofjudah@yahoo.com

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-02-20   18:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

See Isaiah 52 [ kingjbible.com/isaiah/52.htm ] and Isaiah 66 [ kingjbible.com/isaiah/66.htm ]. That's what I HOPE for AMERICA's sake, is going on....this COULD be "the day of the LORD" approaching, but as I said, I'll leave you to your own conclusions .

Isaiah 66 works, too, but I meant to say Isaiah 62: kingjbible.com/isaiah/62.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-02-20   19:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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