4um: First Medina, now Shami unsure about U.S. government involvement in 9/11 attacks

Title: First Medina, now Shami unsure about U.S. government involvement in 9/11 attacks
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Published: Feb 13, 2010
Author: Corrie MacLaggan
Post Date: 2010-02-13 17:14:23 by christine
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Democrat Farouk Shami became the second gubernatorial candidate in two days to say it’s unclear whether the U.S. government was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

Shami’s comments today — which follow Republican Debra Medina’s yesterday — came during an interview on WFAA-TV in Dallas/Fort Worth. When a reporter told Shami he wanted to ask him the same question Medina was asked — whether the U.S. government was involved in the attacks — this was Shami’s response:

“I’m not sure. I am not going to really judge or answer about something I’m not sure about. But the rumors are there that there was a conspiracy. True or not? You know, it’s hard to believe, you know, what happened. It’s really hard to comprehend what happened. Maybe. I’m not sure.”

In the same interview, Shami also says that most of his factory workers are Hispanic because “you don’t find white people who are willing to work in factories.”

Historically, he said, when “white people come to work in a factory, they either want to be supervisors or they want to be, you know, paid more than the average person. And unfortunately they exit.”

Local auto parts factory is ALL WHITE TRASH, all supervisory staff are native Japanese. No beaners allowed.

any TRUTH is death to a politician. lies are how they succeed in this corrupt government.

The 9/11 corrupted and compromised Truther movement is a kiss of death to political careers.

But any Congressman or Senator, who called for 9/11 to be re-examined/re-investigated to ascertain Truth, would be hailed as a hero by a majority of Americans, and rightly so.

If we used E-verify for all employees and for all persons receiving benefits we would lower the population and taxes. Wages would gravitate to the market clearing rate. Wages are never too high or too low to an economist. There is a market clearing rate which will eliminate unemployment. If we stopped legal and illegal immigration, wages would be set at an effective market clearing rate with full employment as soon as we cancel the bad debts and take over the Federal Reserve.

the official conspiracy doesnt make any sense, and it makes less sense every day that oil production remains stagnant.

it's becoming more and more obvious that the neocons figured they can grab the remaining oil at gunpoint, but they needed a pretext ---a "catastrophic and catalyzing event... like a new pearl harbor"--- to rally support for their project.

you're gonna have to shut the internet down to keep the knowledge of neocons' motives from spreading... and if you dont, there will come a time when a majority of the voting public believes that the neocon government had something to with 9/11.

at that point, it will become politically necessary for politicians to question the official 9/11 conspiracy theory ...if they want to get elected.

Any truth about almost anything is the kiss of death to most of them, or you would think so by their aversion to telling it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Yeah--the way they act you would think that they really believe they would die the same minute they told the truth about anything much important.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Also worth considering are the countries across which China has to stick its soda straw to get a gulp of petroleum.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

In this case, the "truth" is a wild conspiracy theory that makes any candidate who supports it unelectable.

almost worth buying ridiculous amounts of debt to keep the killing machine running...between israel and china, there's plenty of motive.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

9/11 "truth" is going to be the kiss of death for the politicians that orchestrated the attacks.

BS! How is the truth ever a "wild conspiracy theory"? If the truth makes the government look bad does that make it any less the truth? And Debra Medina was right, there are a lot of questions about the events of 9/11, questions that have either been lied about or covered up. The Air Force stand down is one element of proof in a long list. Another being that building 7, the Salomon Brothers building, which was NOT hit by an airplane, fell into its own footprint late in the afternoon of 9/11 allegedly due to fire. But no other steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire. And there is the fact that a reporterete from the BBC reported that it had fallen while it was still standing behind her. Now those are things that make normal people, people who aren't in bed with the government, go hmmmmmmmm.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

i never even need to bring up or discuss thermite, missiles or remote controls among many things there are no need for me to discuss.

it's a simple case to make. either believe the official lie or don't. shoot yourself...

i would immediately question the bush and cheney families' involvement and their ties to the orgs and companies which did 'business' with their tool bin laden.

Some of you folks desperately need to accept the fact that the 9/11 "truth" movement is basically dead. The conspiracy theory will live on just like the JFK conspiracy theory continues to live today. But don't get your hopes up that your wild theories will ever be proven because they won't.

Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family By Rick Wiles American Freedom News.com c. 2001 American Freedom News 10-3-1

President Bush recently signed an executive order to freeze the US financial assets of corporations doing business with Osama bin Laden. He described the order as a "strike on the financial foundation of the global terror network."

"If you do business with terrorists, if you support or succor them, you will not do business with the United States," said President Bush.

He didn't say anything about doing business with a terrorist's brother - or his wealthy financier.

When President George W. Bush froze assets connected to Osama bin Laden, he didn't tell the American people that the terrorist mastermind's late brother was an investor in the president's former oil business in Texas. He also hasn't leveled with the American public about his financial connections to a host of shady Saudi characters involved in drug cartels, gun smuggling, and terrorist networks.

Doing business with the enemy is nothing new to the Bush family. Much of the Bush family wealth came from supplying needed raw materials and credit to Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. Several business operations managed by Prescott Bush - the president's grandfather - were seized by the US government during World War II under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

On October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking Corporation in New York City as a front operation for the Nazis. Prescott Bush was a director. Bush, E. Roland Harriman, two Bush associates, and three Nazi executives owned the bank's shares. Eight days later, the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations managed by Prescott Bush. The Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being front organizations for Hitler's Third Reich. Again, on November 8, 1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing business with Hitler.

Doing business with the bin Laden empire, therefore, is only the latest extension of the Bush family's financial ties to unsavory individuals and organizations. Now that thousands of American citizens have died in terrorist attacks and the nation is going to war, the American people should know about George W. Bush's relationship with the family of Osama bin Laden.

Salem bin Laden, Osama's older brother, was an investor in Arbusto Energy. - the Texas oil company started by George W. Bush. Arbusto means "Bush" in Spanish. Salem bin Laden died in an airplane crash in Texas in 1988.

Sheik Mohammed bin Laden, the family patriarch and founder of its construction empire, also died in a plane crash. Upon his death in 1968, he left behind 57 sons and daughters - the offspring he sired with 12 wives in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. About a dozen brothers manage Bin Laden Brothers Construction - one of the largest construction firms in the Middle East.

Fresh out of Harvard Business School, young George W. Bush returned to Midland, TX, in the late 1970s to follow his father's footsteps in the oil business. Beginning in 1978, he set up a series of limited partnerships - Arbusto '78, Arbusto '79, and so on - to drill for oil.

One of President Bush's earliest financial backers was James Bath, a Houston aircraft broker. Bath served with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard. Bath has a mysterious connection to the Central Intelligence Agency.

According to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James Bath as his business representative in Houston. Revelation about Bath's relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA was made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business partner with Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that Bath told him that he had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since 1976 - the same year former President George Herbert Walker Bush served as director of the CIA.

During a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate partner disclosed that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of dollars for Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis. Among the investments made by Bath with Mahfouz's money was the Houston Gulf Airport.

A powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest stockholders in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. BCCI was a corrupt global banking empire operating in 73 nations and was a major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva, London, and Hong Kong. Despite the appearance of a normal banking operation, BCCI was actually an international crime syndicate providing "banking services" to the Medellin drug cartel, Pamama dictator Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, terrorist mastermind Abu Nidal, and Khun Sa, the heroin kingpin in Asia's Golden Triangle.

The BCCI scandal implicated some of the biggest political names in Washington - both Democrats and Republicans - during the first Bush White House. The bank was accused of laundering money for drug cartels, smuggling weapons to terrorists, and using Middle Eastern oil money to influence American politicians.

The chief of the Justice Department's criminal division under former President Bush was Robert Mueller. Because the major players came out of the scandal with slaps on the wrists, many critics accused Mueller of botching the investigation. Mr. Mueller was recently appointed by President George W. Bush as the new Director of the FBI, replacing Louis Freeh who did nothing while William Jefferson Clinton allowed the Red Chinese to loot our national security secrets.

The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), a division of the Justice Department, reviewed allegations by Bill White in 1992 that James Bath funneled money from wealthy Middle Eastern businessmen to American companies to influence the policies of the Reagan and Bush administrations. Robert Mueller, the new FBI chief, was in a senior position at the Justice Department at the time of the review.

White told a Texas court in 1992 that Bath and the Justice Department had "blackballed" him professionally and financially because he refused to keep quiet about his knowledge of an Arabic conspiracy to launder Middle Eastern money into the bank accounts of American businesses and politicians.

In sworn depositions, Bath admitted he represented four wealthy Saudi Arabian businessmen as a trustee. He also admitted he used his name on their investments and received, in return, a five- percent stake in their business deals.

Indeed, Texas tax documents revealed that Bath owned five percent of Arbusto '79 Ltd., and Arbusto '80 Ltd. Bush Exploration Company controlled the limited partnerships, the general partnership firm owned by young George W. Bush.

Although George W. Bush's Texas oil ventures were financial failures, his financial backers recovered their investments through a series of mergers and stock swaps. He changed Arbusto's name to Bush Exploration, then merged the new firm into Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation in 1984.

The Bush-controlled oil business eventually ended up being folded into Harken Energy Corp., a Dallas-based corporation. Mr. Bush joined Harken as a director in 1986 and was given 212,000 shares of Harken stock. Bush used his White House connections to land a lucrative contract for the obscure Harken Energy Corp. with the Middle Eastern government of Bahrain. On June 20, 1990, George W. Bush sold his Harken stock for $848,000 and paid off his loan he took out to buy his small share in the Texas Rangers. The Bahrain deal was brokered by David Edwards, a close pal to Bill Clinton and a former employee of Stephens Inc. Shortly after Bush sold his stock, Harken's fortunes nose-dived when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Some critics claim young George was tipped off in advance by his father about the soon-coming Gulf War.

George W. Bush, however, worked wonders for Harken Energy Corp. before the stock collapse. Using the Bush family name, he managed to bring much-needed capital investment to the struggling firm. George W. Bush traveled to Little Rock, AR, to attend a meeting with Jackson Stephens - a powerful Arkansas tycoon who help bankroll the state campaigns of young Bill Clinton. He first gained political prominence as a fund-raiser for President Jimmy Carter. Stephens was also deeply involved in the BCCI scandal by helping the corrupt bank take control of First American Bank in Washington, DC.

Jack Stephens didn't need an introduction to young George W. Bush. Mary Anne Stephens, his wife, managed Vice President George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign in Arkansas. Stephens Inc., the well connected brokerage firm owned by Jack Stephens, donated $100,000 to a Bush campaign fundraising dinner in 1991. When George W. Bush won the contested Florida election in 2000, Jack Stephens made a substantial contribution to the Bush inauguration. Recently, former President Bush played golf on April 11, 2001, with Jack Stephens at the Jack Stephens Youth Golf Academy in Little Rock. The former president told Stephens, "Jack, we love you and we are very, very grateful for what you have done."

Perhaps the former president was thanking him for the money Stephens provided young George W. Bush. Stephens arranged for a $25 million investment from the Union des Banques Suisses. The Swiss Bank held the minority interest in the Banque de Commerce et de Placements, a Geneva-based subsidiary of BCCI.

Both Stephens and Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, a wealthy and well-connected Saudi real estate investor, signed the financial transaction. The Geneva transaction was paid through a joint venture between the Union Bank of Switzerland and its Geneva branch of BCCI.

The BCCI connection, therefore, linked George W. Bush with Saudi banker Khaled bin Mahfouz. Known in Arab circles as the "king's treasurer," Mahfouz held a 20 percent take in BCCI between 1986 and 1990. Mahfouz is no stranger to the Bush family. He was a big investor in the Carlyle Group, a defense-industry investment group with deep connections to the Republican Party establishment. Former President Bush is a former member of the company's board of directors. George W. Bush also held shares in Caterair, a Carlyle subsidiary. Sami Baarma, a powerful player in the Mahfouz-owned Prime Commercial Bank of Pakistan, is a member of the Carlyle Group's international advisory board.

President Bush certainly is aware of that his former Saudi sugar daddy is still financing Osama bin Laden's terrorist network. USA Today newspaper reported in 1999 that a year after bin Laden's attacks on US embassies in Africa, Khaled bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis were funneling tens of millions of dollars each year into bin Laden's bank accounts. Five top Saudi businessmen ordered the National Commercial Bank to transfer personal funds and $3 million pilfered from a Saudi pension fund to the Capitol Trust Bank in New York City. The money was deposited into the Islamic Relief and Bless Relief - Islamic charities operating in the US and Great Britain as fronts for Osama bin Laden.

The Capitol Trust Bank is run by Mohammad Hussein al-Amoudi. His lawyer is Democratic Party bigwig Vernon Jordan, close friend of former President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, the Arab who cosigned the $25 million cash infusion into George W. Bush's Harken Energy Corporation, appointed Talat Othman to manage his 17.6 percent share in Harken Energy Corp. Othman, a native Palestinian, is president and CEO of Dearborn Financial Inc. - an investment firm in Arlington Heights, IL.

Bakhsh also bought a 9.6 percent stake in Worthen Banking Corporation, the Arkansas bank controlled by Jack Stephens. Abdullah Bakhsh's share was the identical percentage as the amount of shares sold by Mochtar Riady, the godfather of the wealthy Indonesian family with close ties to the Chinese communists, Bill Clinton and evangelist Pat Robertson. Bakhsh is represented by Rogers & Wells, a well-connected Republican law firm in New York whose partners include former Secretary of State William P. Rogers.

Independent investigator reporter David Twersky reported in the early 1990s that Othman had a seat on Harken's board of directors and met three times in the White House with President George Herbert Walker Bush. Organized by Chief of Staff John Sununu, Othman's first meeting with President Bush at the White House was in August 1990, just days after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

There exist to this day an Arab-Texas connection. Khalid bin Mahfouz, financier of both George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden, still maintains a palatial estate in Houston, TX. Former President George Bush also lives in Houston. James Bath, Texas political confidant of George W. Bush, managed to obtain a $1.4 million loan from Mahfouz in 1990. Bath and Mahfouz, along with former Secretary of Treasury John Connally, were also co-investors in Houston's Main Bank. Bath was also president of Skyway Aircraft Leasing Ltd, a Texas air charter company registered in the Cayman Islands. According to published reports in the early 1990s, the real owner was bin Mahfouz. When Salem bin Laden, Osama' brother, died in 1988, his interest in the Houston Gulf Airport was transferred to bin Mahfouz.

Since Osama bin Laden's bloody attack on America on September 11, the federal government has moved quickly to freeze bank accounts connected to Osama bin Laden, Khalid bin Mahfouz, and a host of Islamic charities.

Perhaps federal agents should freeze the financial assets of the Bush family too. It would not be the first time Bush-family assets were seized by the US government for trading with the enemy.

I believe the accounts from witnesses and other media which recorded the day do indeed indicate bombs had been prepositioned. For sure for sure in WTC 7.

The government is the entity positing the insane conspiracy theory. And anyone who believes it is pitiful.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

the PNAC guys... cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, zakheim, kristol, perle, abrams, the kagans, and the rest of the israeli americans...

remember that the AEI, PNAC and bill kristol's "weekly standard", the neocon flagship publication, all work from the same building at 1150 17th Street Northwest, Washington, DC?

James, I'm coming to dislike the word "truth" in this regard. We should talk about facts and the documentation of facts. Truth is sometimes used synonymously with fact, as distinguishable from conclusions or opinions.

The conclusions or opinions held by offiialdom on many matters that has been impeached. The "truth" of what happened on 911 has not been ascertained with any reasonable degree of certainty.

And I don't care about the bombs other than I believe Barry Jennings (RIP) a lot more than I consider your bilge.

They were piloted by Mohammad Atta whose pristine passport was found in the street at the foot of the wreckage.

You mean the bombs in the buildings that were planted by people you have no information about?

Hey, how do you know the bombs were even planted by people? Could have been robots, right?

Does that mean you have no clue as to how the planes crashed into the Twin Towers?

you are a complete and totally intellectually dishonest tool. but you knew that.

Key Witness to WTC 7 Explosions Dead at 53

Emergency coordinator and 9/11 witness Barry Jennings has passed away with controversy about WTC7 still hot– as the BBC hit piece and NIST report have been released to counter Jennings’ exclusive testimony of explosions inside Building 7

UPDATED SEPT 17 4:05 PM CST: NYC Housing Authority spokesman Howard Marder has now officially confirmed that Barry Jennings indeed passed away approximately a month ago after several days in the hospital, matching confirmations from several other employees at the Housing Authority. Marder commented that Jennings was a great man, well liked by everyone at the Housing Authority, and that he would be missed. No other details were available.




	Barry Jennings– now dead at 53– details his eyewitness account while trapped inside WTC7 on 9/11 in a 2007 interview. Jennings told reporters on the day of 9/11, as well as Loose Change cameras in 2007, that he heard repeated explosions inside the building before either Tower 1 or Tower 2 collapsed and testified that he was "stepping over dead bodies" while exiting the ‘blown-out’ lobby to WTC7.

Barry Jennings, a key 9/11 eyewitness who was an emergency coordinator for the New York Housing Authority, has passed away at age 53 from circumstances not yet disclosed.

A spokesperson for the Housing Authority has now confirmed his death, after weeks of rumors circulating online, but refused to give any further details. Several other individuals at the Housing Authority also confirmed that they knew Barry Jennings, and that indeed he had passed away about a month ago. No other details were available.

This office has not yet been able to contact anyone in the Jennings family and the official cause of death is not yet known, but online comments have reported the date of death as August 19, 2008.

It is very unusual that a prominent — and controversial– 9/11 witness would die only days before the release of NIST’s report on WTC7 and shortly after a firestorm erupted over his testimony that he heard explosions inside the building prior to collapse of either tower and that there were dead bodies in the building’s blown-out lobby.

The BBC aired The Third Tower in July in attempt to debunk Barry Jennings’ account– which is both contradictory and damaging to the official 9/11 story– by making issue over whether or not he said he “saw” dead bodies in the lobby.

Yet Jennings own statement in an exclusive interview with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas– which has not been denied– was: “The fire fighter who took us down kept saying, ‘Don’t look down.’ And I said, ‘Why.’ And we were stepping over people– you know, you can feel when you’re stepping over people.”

Now the release of Jason Bermas’ Fabled Enemies is giving further exposure to Jennings’ controversial account. The film features a full interview with Barry Jennings, as well as the statements he and Michael Hess, who was also trapped with him inside WTC7, made to news media on the day of the attacks.

Barry Jennings reiterated in the exclusive interview his confusion over the explanation for WTC7’s collapse– given that he clearly heard explosions inside the building:

That interview was not released until June 2008 at the request of Mr. Jennings, who had received numerous threats to his job and asked that it be left out of Loose Change: Final Cut because of those threats.

Jennings statements have lit fire to questions about what really caused the sudden collapse of WTC7 just as NIST had hoped the release of their report would quash widespread beliefs that the building was brought down by controlled demolition.

Unfortunately, Barry Jennings, whose testimony was ignored by the 9/11 Commission, can no longer raise questions personally about his experience inside WTC7, but his account will remain on the record and available in-full on the Fabled Enemies DVD so that what he witnessed about 9/11 cannot be ignored.

The truth about WTC7 will come out, and Barry Jennings’ testimony will not be in vain.
Please contact aaron@infowars.com if you have any information about the circumstances of Barry’s death or any other reports. We extend our condolences to any family or friends reading this for their loss.

As logical as maintaining they were destroyed by pilots whose whereabouts you have no information about?

Despite the worst failure in history of the military to protect American civilians, and the worst alleged engineering failures in history, there were no consequences for the responsible authorities, and no honest investigations.

* Air Defense Failures
No one was held to account for the numerous unprecedented failures in air defense.
o General Richard Myers, Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on September 11th, was confirmed as Chairman on September 13th in spite of being unable to provide any meaningful answers to questions regarding the air defense failures.
o General Richard Eberhart, commander of NORAD on September 11th, was promoted to head the newly created NORTHCOM.
o NORAD's press release contradicted early statements by high-ranking officials that no interceptors had been scrambled on 9/11/01.
o NORAD's vague timeline raises far more questions than it answers, yet officials have never been required to give a full account.
o The 9/11 Commission advanced a new timeline which contradicts NORAD's earlier timeline and the testimony of military officials to the commission itself.

The total collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 were the three largest engineering failures in history (based on the official story). How were they investigated?

o FEMA was given the sole authority to investigate the collapses even though it is not an investigative agency.
o The investigative team assembled by FEMA consisted of unpaid volunteers.
o The investigators were not allowed access to Ground Zero.
o The investigators were not provided with the blueprints of the buildings.
o FEMA's report states the causes of the collapse "remain unknown at this time". (By the time the report was released the steel had been entirely disposed of.) The fact that Building 7 (supposedly) failed in a way that contradicts 100 years of engineering experience makes it the largest and least understood structural failure in history.
o The 9/11 Commission Report failed to even mention the existence of Building 7.
o The 9/11 Commission Report denied the existence of the Twin Towers' core structures.
o NIST's report on the collapse of the Twin Towers purports to provide a "probable collapse sequence" for each Tower but truncates its timelines before the collapses even begin.
o NIST avoided even mentioning the earlier findings of sulfidated and evaporated steel, then described then by the New York Times "the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation".
o NIST's Final Report on the collapse of Building 7 abandones the earlier official claims of severe structural damage and diesel-fueled fires, and blames the swift straight-down collapse on a house-of-cards chain reaction triggered by a single beam breaking loose of its connections due to thermal expansion -- a completely novel failure mechanism with no supporting evidence.
o NIST proffered disingenuous arguments for failing to test for explosive residues, which it continued to repeat even after responding directly to public comments and correspondence pointing out the fallacies of those arguments.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Who planted the explosives? When did they do it? How did they do it? How were the explosives set off? Who set them off?

Why didn't they make the black boxes out of the same material that passport was made of?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

makes no matter to me. there are bigger fish to fry and sooner or later one of them will save their necks or maybe their families' necks and start spilling the beans. it's called turning the tables. all the names will come out eventually.

That's a great summary of all the stuff that we've been talking about for years, and I'm glad you hit on the responsiblity angle.

When Mattias Rust flew across Germany and landed a small plane in Red Square in 1987 without alerting Soviet air defense, heads rolled and generals were sacked. No one was hurt or killed.

What brass was even called on the carpet except to drool and blubber before Congress in the wake of September 11, 2001?

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Many people don't understand or choose not to believe that evidence exists of multiple wire transfers in excess of $100,000 to alleged "lead hijacker" Mohammed Atta prior to 9/11, and that these wire transfers are linked to the then head of Pakistani intelligence (ISI). This has blatantly been covered up by the Bush regime, by the Congressional Joint Inquiry, and by the 9/11 Commission, which this article will clearly show.

This is a complex area, and is clearly the subject of a vigorous disinformation campaign. Many aliases have appeared in US newspapers which don't correlate to the names given in previous reports regarding: just who IS this "Al Qaeda paymaster?" [1]

If you have some time, definitely read the Cooperative Research compendium of news accounts regarding Ahmed Omar Sayed Sheikh. [2] As you can imagine, his name can be spelled in numerous ways, as can any of his aliases. This has been a source of much confusion.

Let's clarify what this information about wire transfers proves.

1) At a minimum it proves cover up by high level US government officials, a cover up of the financial sponsors of the September 11th 2001 attacks on America.

a) FBI Director Robert Mueller admitted to the Congressional inquiry that many wire transfers were sent in 2000 and 2001 from several bank accounts in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to and from alleged 9/11 hijackers. Aliases linked to those bank accounts were provided as well as the specific money amounts.[3]
b) The 9/11 Commission Report stated bluntly:
"To date the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance." -THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT, p 172.[4]

c) Senator Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has said that "foreign governments," plural, assisted the purported 9/11 attackers.[5] Graham refuses to name these governments.
d) Orwellian transcript-- Condoleezza Rice was confronted by the press on May 16, 2002. The transcript of that encounter has been altered, doctored both on CNN and in the "FDCH Federal Department and Agency Documents REGULATORY INTELLIGENCE DATA." The words "ISI chief" disappeared from history, down the memory hole. This is black and white proof of cover up.[6]
e) Numerous press reports, which were confirmed by US officials, linked the Atta money transfers to "Saeed Sheikh", and then to Pakistani ISI.[7] Yet this has never, ever been addressed by the U.S. government, nor explained by any "investigation" into the 9/11 attacks. They have literally pretended that these news articles were never written.

2) The U.S. State Department confirmed that "Shaykh Sai'id (aka, Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad)" was linked to terrorist funding in Bush's Executive Order 13224,"a powerful tool to impede terrorist funding," in the attached "ANNEX."[8]

The 9/11 Commission Report has no reference to the Mustafa Ahmad alias at all, and it does not address the wire transfers at all. A "Sheikh Saeed" is mentioned on page 251, referenced to Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's interrogations, whose testimony is suspect [9] (reported dead, reported not at location of his alleged capture, held incommunicado and potentially subject to torture for years in secret detention centers). The 9/11 Commission dutifully reports:

"Al Qaeda's chief financial manager, Sheikh Saeed, argued that Al Qaeda should defer to the Taliban's wishes."
"Another [unnamed] source says that Sheikh Saeed opposed the [9/11] operation both out of deference to [Mullah] Omar and because he feared the U.S. response to an attack." --(emphasis added) 9/11 Commission Report, p251.

While this is acknowledgement of Sheikh Saeed's existence as a "chief financial manager", there is no reference to any financial link between Sheikh Saeed and the 9/11 attacks themselves. None.

The only other mention of Shekh Saeed is the following passage referenced in footnote 59 of Chapter 2:

"He [Bin Laden] appointed a new financial manager, whom his followers saw as miserly."

Notice that this supposedly authoritative "investigation" doesn't bother to name this "new financial manager" here, or to explain what he did.

The footnote 59 of Chapter 2 says:

"CIA analytic report, "Shaykh Sa'id: Al Qa'ida's Loyal Senior Accountant," CTC 2003-30072H July 2, 2003."

Notice the name is spelled differently from the version on page 251 of the same report, leaving open the possibility for official denial that they are the same person?

Notice also that a "CTC" Counter Terrorism Center report was written on this man. Can someone file a FOIA request for this report?

The "CTC" is coincidentally where a memo was deliberately withheld from alerting the FBI about two other purported hijackers: Al Mihdhar and Al Hazmi.

Searching for wire transfers in the 9/11 Commission Report turned up the following:

"For Atta and Shehhi's enrolling at Jones Aviation see FBI report, "Hijackers Timeline" Dec. 5 2003 (Sept. 23 2000 entry citing SunTrust Financial records)."

Well I can't "see FBI report" because it doesn't appear to be on the Internet. Another FOIA is needed.

If the 9/11 Commission saw this FBI report, then they are aware of the SunTrust Financial wire transfers, and yet chose not to include them in their "final" report -- at all. This is more evidence of cover up.

This was all right in the Washington Post,[10] just a couple of days before the Indian intelligence service and Indian press threw a monkey wrench into the official 9/11 story:

"U.S. Ties Hijackers' Money to Al Qaeda

Investigators See Cash Trail as Key
By Dan Eggen and Kathleen Day
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 7, 2001; Page A01
(...)
The ties to al Qaeda, the group led by Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden, include transfers of thousands of dollars from hijacking leader Mohamed Atta to al Qaeda's chief financial lieutenant in the Middle East days before the New York and Washington attacks.
(...)
The operation was kicked off with a $100,000 transfer into a U.S. bank account last year that has been traced to the United Arab Emirates. A source familiar with the investigation said the transfer may have been arranged by the financial lieutenant, Mustafa Muhammad Ahmed.
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More than half of the criminal investigation team at FBI headquarters in Washington is dedicated to tracking the money, with many working from folding tables and chairs in the hallways.
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The funding for the attack began at least a year ago with a single deposit of more than $100,000 to a U.S. account controlled by Atta. Dennis M. Lormel, chief of the FBI's financial crimes section, testified at a congressional hearing last week that the transfer has been traced back to an account in the United Arab Emirates.
In the following months, scores of cash infusions flowed into about a dozen accounts at SunTrust Bank in Florida and several other U.S. banks.
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The FBI has told Congress that terrorists rely heavily on wire transfers...
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Another key figure on the money trail is Ahmed, also known as Shaykh Saiid.
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Ahmed is suspected of being the paymaster who oversaw the financial end, sources said. Ahmed was named by Bush as a suspected associate of terrorists, and is the subject of a global manhunt.
Ahmed got as much as $15,000 from Atta and two other hijackers, Al-Shehhi and Waleed M. Alshehri, in the three days before the attacks. Officials in the United Arab Emirates have said they believe Ahmed left there Sept. 11 for Pakistan." (emphasis added)

The FBI has said that the hijackers returned money back to the paymaster so they would not be seen as "thieves" before their martrydom. Seems plausible.

Going back to the Congressional Joint Inquiry report (p 141), we run into obfuscation about "Mustafa Ahmed Alhawsawi", which they present as a different Al Qaeda operative than "Mustafa Ahmad",[11] one who is also mysteriously later "captured" with Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, and never seen again. Witnesses reported that neither man was at the location of this alleged capture.

Another alleged "paymaster," Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, is tied to some wire transfers as well, further clouding the picture.

3) The Pakistani ISI chief, Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad was fired immediately when the Indian government and press went public with the ISI / Omar Saeed Sheikh / Mohammad Atta connection.[12]

Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of ISI on 9/11/01

U.S. pressure on Pakistan to remove the ISI chief was cited in the press reports. The ISI chief was never "Wanted by the FBI" however for ordering the funds that reportedly financed the 9/11 attacks. Until this matter is clearly resolved, there has simply been no credible public investigation into the attacks of September 11th 2001.

Indian intelligence exposed (to its own detriment) its surveillance of the ISI chief's cell phone and calls, [12, 13] in order to convince the Americans that Pakistan, and in particular the ISI, was a source of international terrorism (which of course, it is).

Implications: What does it mean?

Either--

a) ISI chief ordered operative Sheikh to wire money to Atta and co.
or
b) Sheikh wired money independently, or at some other intelligence service's direction (CIA or MI6).
or
c) Someone other than Sheikh wired the money, which means that the Pakistani ISI chief was fired right then in an unrelated coincidence.

I'm going to go with a or b. Several press reports confirm Sheikh's involvement, including CNN:

"Indian and U.S. authorities now see a link between that hijacking and the September 11 attacks in the United States.
Freed with Azhar was Ahmed Umar Syed Sheikh, whom authorities say used a pseudonym to wire $100,000 to suspected hijacker Mohammad Atta, who then distributed the money in the United States. (emphasis added)" -CNN, 10/8/2001 [14]

The "hijacking" mentioned was of Indian Airlines 814, in December 1999, by men with knives who "stabbed one hostage to death in the early hours of the hijacking" and gained access to the cockpit. [15]

This method of attack is of course the one reported to have happened on 9/11/01.

While the Indian Airlines incident doesn't prove this is what actually transpired on September 11th, it does provide a proof of concept.

Some people aren't convinced that actual hijackers carried out the 9/11 attacks, and instead the planes were remote controlled, the communications from them faked. I do not take a position on this question due to a lack of irrefutable proof either way. This article deals with evidence, not speculation.

The ISI Chief in DC and the Timeline of the FBI Investigation

ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad arrived in Washington DC on September 4 -- prior to the 9/11 attacks. He met with CIA Director George Tenet, the National Security Council, Pentagon officials, White House officials and specifically Marc Grossman the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs[16] and a prominent member of the Project for a New American Century.

This timeline is instructive:

"September 11, 2001:

The World Trade Center is destroyed. That morning, Pakistani ISI Chief Mahmud Ahmad is sitting down for breakfast in Washington, D.C. with Sen. Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss - both of whom will later head the Congressional Committee to investigate the events surrounding September 11

September 18, 2001:
CBS News reports: "...agents have uncovered a money trail that they hope will lead to the hijackers' accomplices."

September 30, 2001:
ABC News "This Week" reports that the $100,000 money trail "can be traced directly to people linked to Osama bin Laden."

October 1, 2001:
Judith Miller of the New York Times reveals that the money was wired by someone using the alias "Mustafa Ahmad". The Guardian reports that Mustafa Ahmad is the alias for a "Sheikh Saeed."
That day, an attack is launched on the Kashmiri provincial legislature, increasing tensions between India and Pakistan.

October 3, 2001:
British Prime Minister Tony Blair releases his report detailing the "persuasive case" against bin Laden, yet no explicit mention is made of the "smoking gun" money trail.
New York Newsday reporters Riley and Brune reveal that Mustafa Ahmad is an alias for a "Shaykh Sai-id, who has been identified as a high-ranking bin Laden financial lieutenant." They also identify him as an Egyptian linked to the 1998 Tanzania Embassy bombing.

October 6-8, 2001:
Maria Ressa of CNN reports that 9/11 paymaster Mustafa Ahmad is an alias for a "Sheikh Syed", a 28-year old Pakistani former student at the London School of Economics who was released from an Indian prison in 1999 after being bartered for hostages taken in an airline hijacking that was "strikingly similar to the four hijackings carried out on September 11." Ressa also links "Syed" (hereafter known as Omar Saeed) to the October 1 attack on the Kashmiri legislature.

The invasion of Afghanistan begins.
Pakistani ISI General Mahmud Ahmad (not to be confused with the 9/11 paymaster alias "Mustafa Ahmad") is suddenly dismissed by Pakistani President Musharraf.

October 9, 2001:
The Times of India reports that General Ahmad was dismissed "because of the evidence India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Center. The U.S. authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by [Omar Saeed] at the instance of General Mahmud [Ahmad]."

From this date, an intensive cover-up effort is set in motion. Omar Saeed [Sheikh] mostly disappears from the Western mainstream media until his re-emergence in Britain's Telegraph, January 27, 2002." -TIMELINE: Daniel Pearl and The Paymaster of 9/11, by Chaim Kupferberg [17]

Just who is this Omar Saeed Sheikh / Mustafa Ahmad guy?

Well, he's in a Pakistani prison right now, convicted of murdering Daniel Pearl of the Wall Street Journal.

They were supposed to execute Omar Saeed Sheikh, which would really prevent him from talking about these things, but Omar Saeed Sheikh has powerful allies in Pakistan who want him to remain alive, and even free.

"As the London Times has put it, Saeed Sheikh “is no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan’s military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles of Osama Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization.” [London Times, 4/21/02]
"In 1993 he emerged in Pakistan as a member of a militant group fighting for the liberation of Kashmir from India... it appears Saeed [Sheikh] was put on the ISI payroll around this time, to help the Pakistani cause in Kashmir. [ABC News, 2/7/02]
In 1994, Saeed [Sheikh] began training at a training camp in Afghanistan. He soon was teaching the classes. [Los Angeles Times, 2/9/02]
[Saeed Sheikh] developed close ties with al-Qaeda while training there. By the end of the year he was known as Osama bin Laden’s “favored son” or “my special son.” [London Times, 8/21/02, Vanity Fair, 8/02], --The Many Faces of Saeed Sheikh, Paul Thompson [18]

Sheikh went on to prison in India. He was released after other terrorists hijacked an Indian Airlines passenger jet (814) and flew it to Afghanistan. Omar Saeed Sheikh and two other "militants" were traded for the Indian passengers.

An ISI Colonel escorted Saeed Sheikh to a safe house in Pakistan.

Saeed Sheikh then lived openly in Pakistan, attending parties of high level government officials there.

Sheikh then is allowed to return to Britain, twice, in 2000 and 2001, even though he was a known international terrorist who had kidnapped British citizens in 1994.

Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf told that Omar Saeed Sheikh worked for British MI6.

"Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf has disclosed that Omar Sheikh, who alledgedly kidnapped and murdered American journalist Daniel Pearl and is now facing the death penalty, was actually an agent for the British Secret Agency MI6. Musharraf claims that Omar Sheikh had executed certain missions on MI6's behest before coming to Pakistan and visiting Afghanistan to meet Osama and Mullah Om." --INN World Report, January 16, 2007[19]

Others in Pakistan claim that Omar Sheikh is CIA.

"There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA." --Pittsburgh Tribune, Did Pearl die because Pakistan deceived CIA?, March 3, 2002 [20]
"There are those who might doubt the word of Musharraf, and who can blame them? But in fact I documented Omar Sheikh Saeed's simultaneous intelligence connections to the CIA, ISI and MI6 in The War on Truth and The London Bombings. Details have come forth from an intriguing combination of American, British and Pakistani government sources." --Nafeez M. Ahmed, Pakistan and the Terror Nexus [21]

Perhaps Omar Sheikh belongs to all three agencies? Four including Al Qaeda? Who knows?

Not the American people. That's for sure. The American people do not know much about Omar Saeed Sheikh / Mustafa Ahmad, although he apparently financed the September 11th attacks, trained some of the hijackers in Afghanistan, worked for Pakistani ISI, British MI6 and U.S. CIA.

And none of this can be talked about in the Congress. Nor in the presidential debates. Nor on mainstream television nor on corporate radio.

Quite a neat trick.

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
--Keyser Soze, The Usual Suspects

Notes.

1. Cooperative Research, Mustafa Ahmed Al Hisawi, http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=mustafa_ahmed_al-hisawi

2. Cooperative Research, Sept. 11's Smoking Gun: The Many Faces of Saeed Sheikh, .http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaysaeed

3.STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD FBI DIRECTOR ROBERT S. MUELLER III JOINT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE INQUIRY, http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092602mueller.html

4. 9/11 Commission Report, http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

5. PBS, Interview with Bob Graham, http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec02/intelligence_12-11.html

6. Michel Chossudovsky, Center for Research on Globalisation, NEW REVELATIONS ON 9-11, http://www.prisonplanet.com/new_revelations_on_911.htm

7.Cooperative Research, Saeed Sheikh, .http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaysaeed

8. US State Department,Executive Order 13224, http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/2002/16181.htm

9. Taking Aim, Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone, 070320 A Study in Disinformation: The Fake Confession of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, http://takingaimradio.com/mp3/takingaim070320.mp3

10. Washington Post, U.S. Ties Hijackers' Money to Al Qaeda, http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A17934-2001Oct6&notFound=true

11. Congressional Reports: Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001, page 141, http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html

12. Times of India, India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links, 9 Oct, 2001 l 2308 hrs ISTlMANOJ JOSHI/TIMES NEWS NETWORK, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1454238160

13. Who Killed Daniel Pearl? (Paperback), by Bernard-Henri Levy, pp. 320-24, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0974960942/centerforcoop-20

14.CNN, India wants terror spotlight on Kashmir, October 8, 2001, http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/10/08/india.ressa/

15. BBC, Indian hijack drama over, 31 December, 1999, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/584729.stm

16. Cooperative Research, ISI Director Mahmood Ahmed, http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_isi:_a_more_detailed_look=mahmoodAhmed

17. TIMELINE: Daniel Pearl and The Paymaster of 9/11, by Chaim Kupferberg, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP209C.html

18. Cooperative Research, Sept. 11's Smoking Gun: The Many Faces of Saeed Sheikh, .http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaysaeed

19. INN World Report, January 16, 2007, http://www.innworldreport.net/archives/2007/01/2007-01-16.html

20. Pittsburgh Tribune, Did Pearl die because Pakistan deceived CIA?, March 3, 2002, http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_20141.html

21. Nafeez M. Ahmed, Pakistan and the Terror Nexus, http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2006/09/pakistan-and-terror-nexus.html

Do you believe the attack was planned and carried out by a bunch of Arabs in a cave in Afghanistan who hated us because of our alleged "freedom"?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

No the attack was planned by some very intelligent Muslim crazies who plotted in Hamburg, Germany and trained in the US.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

it's kinda hard to answer that, seeing as how the wreckage was cleaned up before a real investigation was done.

maybe you'd like to explain why the neocons resisted the idea of an investigation, and had to rely on trial by media that convicted your patsies before the dust had settled?

maybe you'd like to explain why your neocon friends said they needed a new pearl harbor just before they were installed ---by a phony election recount supervised by a PNAC signatory--- into positions from which they could make their new pearl harbor happen.

maybe you'd like to explain how divine neocon intervention caused the neocons' new pearl harbor to happen just a few months after neocons were installed into positions from which they could make it happen.

because it was a perfect media setup for the "new pearl harbor" that the neocons said they needed.

the first tower was hit, ensuring massive live television coverage when the second plane hit the second tower.

the fact that it happened is pretty much a given... the fact that it happened at the twin towers can be explained by the media opportunities afforded by a "double whammy" sort of operation, in which live coverage was guaranteed for the second whammy.

and it worked perfectly, except apparently millions of people are waking up to the logic of the situation, in which neocons, threatened by peak oil, said they needed a new pearl harbor, then occupied positions from which they could make their new pearl harbor happen... and then their new pearl harbor happened.

the fact that israel must be secured before america implodes from oil shortages, the fact that the government is infested with israel-firsters, the fact that oil production peaked in 2005, the fact that, after 9/11, operations have concentrated on the biggest oil patch in the world...

...well, all those facts are not lost on anyone who can still think, apparently including many voters in texas.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

and seeing as how texas has so many mexican americans, who are nominally catholics, we have to assume that those people have figured out that the pope is hamstrung, and they understand exactly what happened when the pope started yapping about the immorality of the iraq war...

...they understand perfectly that the boston globe has a vault full of priestly sexual abuse stories, many of which surfaced just as the pope was complaining about the immorality of the iraq war.

take all this together, it's not hard to understand why texans might understand what's going on here.

John Paul II stated before the 2003 war that this war would be a defeat for humanity which could not be morally or legally justified.

then there's haim saban, who bought univision ---which is the largest spanish network in america--- presumably in a belated attempt control information flow to mexican americans...

now then, if you think that mexican americans who live in texas are ignorant of all this, then you probly got another think coming.

It was a remarkable piece of police work that it was in the millions of tons of debris and dust found by the FBI. And we had the pictures and names of a the perps for the next morning's front pages.

But other than that, there is surely no reason not to believe the 9-11 commission's findings.

sooner or later, politicians will catch up with the voters on this 9/11 business.

i guess then it will be time for martial law, concentration camps, and shooting a few million intellectuals.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31â€”13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Yeah, other than those things (and quite a few more I didn't even post) there is no reason not to believe the official fairy tale.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Yep. Obama might tell one to match it or beat it but so far I believe that one takes the cake.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

There is a bucketfull - including the professional video guy who filmed from across the bay, with a very high caliber camera, the tremendous explosions emminating from one of the towers prior to its collapse.

The self-made billionaire is telling the truth and asking the correct questions.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?'

Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. It is not necessary to completely resolve any full matter in order to examine any relative attached issue. Discussion of any evidence of Ray's innocence can stand alone to serve truth, and any alternative solution to the crime, while it may bolster that truth, can also stand alone. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 14 - demand complete solutions)?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

A close examination of the "NORAD Record" has to make any rational, spined, red- blooded American start to say WHAT THE FUCK ?? !

Add WTC 7 and you'd have to be the biggest pussy in the nation to cower to reality and/or be dumber than a box of rocks to continue swallowing the official illegal shadow government story on 9/11/01 - the precipitant to "THE PATRIOT ACT", "THE LONG WAR", ET AL.

Anyone who believes the official version of what happened on 9/11 needs some serious medication and to be watched around the clock. Meds adjusted as needed.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

The NEOtards do everything but deal honestly and seek truth. They're agenda is the antithesis of ours. They will swallow and regurgitate bilge but never admit the truth about the Lusitania and WWI, Pearl Harbor and WWII...Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq and who knows for sure which one is next.

Fuck'em. They now know they are going to pay the price too. More power to'em. But they're going down. And they will receive no mercy, no quarter as they give none nor deserve none.

More like a white coat in a padded cell within a mental infirmary for James believing in both birthers and truthers; and all because of speculation, akin of the flat-world society.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

I am convinced that Alberto Gonzalez, and George Bush, are parented by the same father.

I am seeing lots and lots of the same faces, on a lot of different people these days, as if there are clones of people being made.

For instance. Javier Barem, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and Robert Downey Jr. All three of these men, are nearly all the same age, and look nearly identical to one another.

George Bush, and Alberto Gonzalez have the same voice, same mannerisms, same accent, and I'm willing to bet the same DAD.

If there was any question that there is some kind of boys from Brazil thing going on with people in power, or entertainment, it needs to be asked NOW.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

LOL, "SURPRISE, surprise..." - pickleroo is BOTH a global warmist shill, a 911 Official Fairy Tale sponsor AND believes obamalamachimpdong is Constitutionally qualified to be the selected POTUS ! Go figger...

You have a problem with identification and traceability of posts. YOU believe in in Al Gore. You talk about him all the time.

I only bring Al up as a point of humour. Only an idiot, such as you would believe in that fat liar.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

very informative post. i didn't realize that Koernke had been interviewed on national tv by Sam Donaldson.

Thank Dr. D over at StopTheNorthAmericanUnion.com for her tireless research, persistence and other noble efforts, if you would. i encourage everyone that cares to download and read, read, read, digest, digest, digest every single tittle on that website...

Oh sure. And yet no level of publick suck up has occurred. Similar to 1993, when the US government murdered about 180 people at Waco, Texas.

You are a fucking government suck-up, pal. There is no way to change the crisis with you candy wrapping teenie, tiny little, ittsy-bitsy details based upon your point of view.

"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -- Ronald Reagan, circa 1977

buck, why don't you tell all of us--and surely you can with all your infant wisdumb (and yes, I DO mean DUMB)--exactly what is wrong with being a "truther" and a "birther"? Is it wrong to want to know the truth about the events of 9/11? Or is it wrong to demand that Obama prove he is an actual American citizen when his own grandmother said she was there when he was born in KENYA? If you can't tell us why those positions are wrong then why don't you just snuggle back down with your bottle and put yourself out of your, and everyone else's, misery?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Apparently you are just about the only one who posts on this board who "believes" in your hero, Al. Your constant yammering and insistence that global warming is a fact, just like him, pretty much proves that.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

Not really all that much of a surprise. He's usually all over the lot with his opinions, probably having about as much to do with how much sauce he has had on any given day. buck is not someone I would want to stand beside me if push came to shove. He might decide to stop shooting in the same direction, know what I mean?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

thank you for posting that. i have referred people to that article many times. i dont, however agree with you thta the perv scandal was because of the popes resisatnce to the iraq war, although that is an interesting contention. i am Catholic against the iraq war and against pederast priests. a site you might find interesting is rcf.org. several priests have been murdered exposing the perv criminals in the church.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

it's interesting, to me at least, that the 24/7 main media coverage didnt get cranked up until the pope called the neocons out.