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Title: Cop Says “Open Carry” Advocates Should Be Shot
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URL Source: http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=6759
Published: Feb 13, 2010
Author: KTVU
Post Date: 2010-02-13 20:36:29 by christine
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Comments: 29
A controversy was brewing in East Palo Alto Tuesday night after a police detective made apparently joking comments through his Facebook account saying “open carry” advocates who visibly carry guns in public should be shot. Now East Palo Alto has become a reluctant testing ground for a battle of constitutional amendments: one police officer’s ‘freedom of speech’ versus a group’s ‘right to bear arms.’ Area resident Adnan Shahab is an “open carry” advocate who frequently goes out in public displaying an unloaded gun on his belt. Such activity is legal in California with certain restrictions, such as staying clear of schools. Shahab said he was offended by Facebook remarks posted by East Palo Alto detective Rod Tuason. Tuason published a comment that said he agreed with a friend that open carry advocates should come to Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto and — in an apparent joke — said officers should shoot the advocates.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
I suspect that Adnan has not been harassed or hurt in a while.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" i just dont have much hope left for a legal political solution to these problems. during WWII, the italians solved their problems like this... in a just world, there'd be a thousand neocons hanging there with benito and clara... but that's kinda rough justice.
Is that Benito on the left?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" sposed to be, yeah.
apparently that was just the beginning... my dad brought pictures home from WWII of him lying in his casket it looked like they cut the guy down, then worked him over with louisville sluggers. he didnt look human any more. it went way beyond justice into a frenzy of hate, apparently.
Freedom of speech does not apply to words that incite violence, to threats, nor to calls to perform illegal acts (violent or not). This cop should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and with additional charges pertaining to "under color of authority."
In a world where we're being, tased, shot, and otherwise, abused; isn't it about time, Claire? How much more?
Tom... Damned history lesson... Duce and Clara were not hunted down and shot by "Italians", rather more correctly, COMMUNIST Italians. At first Claras skirt was allowed to fall all the way down and then a female in the crowd had Claras skirt arranged properly so that her bloomers did not show. Even when one sees a photo, they are not positive of what happened.
the cops seem to have developed an "us vs them" mentality, at least the ones i've run into lately. i wonder if the applicants are screened for authoritarian tendencies that would make them more likely to toe the party line and shoot masses of civilians if they were ordered to do so.
I wonder how well it'd go over if the leader of some group advocated shooting cops on sight....
well, that's the problem... the russian people endured this kind of treatment for hundreds of years, and i'm wondering if americans will be any different. the situation is gonna be radically different, especially if peak oil turns out to be the real thing... i guess, if it does turn out to be the real thing, then we can expect gas rationing, at gunpoint, as oil is reserved for use by the elite and their protectors. i dont know.
That could well be in the not too distant future.
Now THAT is dumb. Any criminal seeing a person with a sidearm on their hip will know it's unloaded, thus inviting a mugging and theft of weapon. The REALLY dumb part is that the law requires them to keep the weapon unloaded. It's about equally dumb to carry it that way. If these folks REALLY wanted to make a statement, they'd simply ignore the "unloaded" requirement and carry them loaded. They prove nothing but poor judgement by carrying them exposed and unloaded.
If they get us into another oil shortage, trust and believe me, it will be totally and completely contrived This planet is still awash in oil and natural gas.
that doesnt make sense. why are oil companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars drilling in two miles of water and two or three miles of dirt under that? do they need the tax writeoffs?
I agree. So long as you don't do anything to give a cop "probable cause" to stop you and check you and your gun out you shouldn't have any problem. And if someone tried to jack you for your gun you wouldn't have a problem very long.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. In 2010 duhmeriKa, it is simple as identifying the enemy (easy in most cases, but not all) and kill them. That's where we're at in our nation now...shame and pity the generations that allowed us to get here.
maybe you can explain what the oil companies were doing up in the arctic islands in the 1960s, looking for oil and gas when there was no way of getting the stuff to market. was that just another tax writeoff? does that mean that the global peak oil conspiracy has been going on for fifty or sixty years? why did american oil production peak? why, when the price of oil went up to nearly $150 per barrel, did production remain flat? why are oil companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to drill wells 200 miles offshore, in two miles of water, and two or three miles of dirt under that, so distant from pipelines that they'll have to spend more hundreds of millions on plumbing, and then crow about discoveries that will only last the world a month? none of it makes sense if the world is "awash in oil". i'm really really sorry, but it doesnt make any sense. the really pitiful thing about it is: the only people peak oil denial makes sense to are the people who were motivated by peak oil to commit 9/11. if you deny your motive exists, you've eliminated one of the key parameters that investigators use to compile a suspect list, that parameter being "motive". then you got the prime denier of peak oil, exxon, allied with the AEI, which spawned PNAC, which admitted they needed a new pearl harbor as a pretext to occupy the middle east/caspian/central asian oil patch. what's a poor boy to think?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Cops have put a target on their backs, because of all the mean cop reality shows on TV and the average cop's reaction to them. Over and over we see cops on TV and the movies being mean to others and killing people. Today there are a lot of cops in our cities that feel they have to live up to those images. "Live by the sword - die by the sword" - Jesus Christ More meanness get more meanness. More suppression gets more retaliation.
I'll try to give you my take on it tomorrow. But the short story is, let's keep our reserves untapped, while making war to drill and pump the rest of the world's reserves. It's brilliant in a nut-job sort of way...especially if you're BigOil, and their buddies.
there's probably a certain amount of validity to that argument, if that's what's happening. but it doesnt explain why big oil is drilling holes 30,000 feet deep in american waters in the gulf of mexico. it doesnt explain why existing oilfields' production continued to fall, including fields in texas, alaska, california, oklahoma, etc, when the price of oil rose to nearly $150 a barrel. it doesnt explain why exxon and CERA, allied with the israeli american warmongers, are the prime deniers of peak oil. exxon's warmonger allies lied us into iraq, and probably staged 9/11, and have been lying ever since about the "war on terror", yet you believe exxon's and CERA's lies about peak oil. doesnt make any sense, at all.
No. I do not believe in peak oil at all. As I said, the world's awash in the stuff. Some easier, and some much more difficult to extract, but it's there for us to use.
anyhow, what it boils down to, is: a police state will emerge in america in response to peak oil, as it becomes necessary to ration oil consumption in response to falling supplies of oil. you can harp on and on about the new world order, or benevolent global hegemony, or tikkun olam, or whatever lame scheme you want... but they're all red herrings designed to obscure knowledge of peak oil, which was the neocons' motive for doing 9/11. as the oil supply continues to fall, it will become necessary to ensure that police are on the right side... they must reliably protect the elite as the american standard of living deteriorates and common people no longer have access to oil. what are people going to do as the whole works collapses? how do you stop a hungry kid from crying?
and, if the world is "awash in oil", where's the beef? how come oil production has flatlined for the last four or five years? are you trying to tell me that there are no entrepreneurs out there that will shoot at a squirrel or a bunny rabbit and the crude will come bubblin' up? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD22a4APsCg if the world is "awash in oil", why arent there little mom and pop oil operations springing up all over the place? ...how come the average production from the half a million american oil wells is only ten barrels a day, and falling?
say you got an oil well in your backyard that's an average producer: 10 barrels a day at $70 per barrel... say things go to hell in a handbasket, and people start stealing oil from you so they can feed their kids... how many cops will it take to protect 500,000 oil wells in america? or will america begin to resemble nigeria? Shell puts cost of crude oil theft in Nigeria at as £1.1bn a year there's got to be a point where you can make more by stealing oil than you can make by being a security guard protecting an oil well...
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This is easy to believe.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" If this detective worked for me I'd want to know what other constitutional rights he believes citizens should be shot for. He should know all about the Supreme Court decision, Castle Rock v. Gonzales in which the Supreme Court ruled that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. This case leaves the prudent citizen in a position to be prepared to defend themselves when necessary.
Area resident Adnan Shahab is an “open carry” advocate who frequently goes out in public displaying an unloaded gun on his belt.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: groundresonance (#2)
#4. To: tom007 (#3)
Is that Benito on the left?
#5. To: tom007 (#3)
#6. To: christine (#0)
Now East Palo Alto has become a reluctant testing ground for a battle of constitutional amendments: one police officer’s ‘freedom of speech’ versus a group’s ‘right to bear arms.’
#7. To: groundresonance. all (#2)
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in a just world, there'd be a thousand neocons hanging there with benito and clara... but that's kinda rough justice.
#8. To: tom007 (#3)
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: christine (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#11. To: Lod (#7)
How much more?
#12. To: FormerLurker. all (#10)
I wonder how well it'd go over if the leader of some group advocated shooting cops on sight....
#13. To: christine (#0)
Area resident Adnan Shahab is an “open carry” advocate who frequently goes out in public displaying an unloaded gun on his belt.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: groundresonance, all (#11)
the situation is gonna be radically different, especially if peak oil turns out to be the real thing...
#15. To: Lod (#14)
awash in oil
#16. To: FormerLurker (#13)
If these folks REALLY wanted to make a statement, they'd simply ignore the "unloaded" requirement and carry them loaded. They prove nothing but poor judgement by carrying them exposed and unloaded.
Lord Acton
#17. To: freeedom (#6)
Freedom of speech does not apply to words that incite violence, to threats, nor to calls to perform illegal acts (violent or not). This cop should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and with additional charges pertaining to "under color of authority."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#18. To: Lod (#14)
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awash in oil
#19. To: christine (#0)
#20. To: christine (#0)
#21. To: groundresonance (#18)
#22. To: Lod (#21)
let's keep our reserves untapped, while making war to drill and pump the rest of the world's reserves.
#23. To: groundresonance (#22)
#24. To: Lod (#21)
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#25. To: Lod (#23)
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#26. To: Lod (#23)
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Shell said yesterday that the theft of oil in Nigeria, Africa’s largest oil-producing country, ranged from 20,000 to 100,000 barrels per day but may have peaked at more than this. At today’s price of slightly more than $40 for a barrel of benchmark Brent crude, this equates to between $300 million and $1.6 billion (£1.1 billion) a year.
#27. To: christine, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *libertarians* (#0)
#28. To: groundresonance (#5)
it went way beyond justice into a frenzy of hate, apparently.
#29. To: christine, all (#0)
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