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#79. To: Mister Clean (#75)

No you haven't. You responded with a poem.

If, for example, the Kelo decision (which you referenced earlier) has harmed you, you would be able to say that you lost property to the state because of that law. See, that's what an example looks like. Here's another: if you were unfairly placed on the no-fly list, that would be an example of how you personally have been effected by government policy. Do you understand what a personal example is now?

A poem does not explain how you personally have been harmed. You won't answer the question because you can't and I knew you couldn't.

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

I am personally harmed by the Kelo Decision by the simple fact that the government now has the ability to take my property from me and give it to someone else in order to provide them with more tax revenue. The fact that it hasn't happened does not remove the threat.

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list. Considering there are several hundred people in this country with my exact name, we are ALL personally affected. This is my payment for fifteen years of military service and my dad's payment for thirty years.

As for how free drugs for geezers affects me, take an economics class or Google deficit spending, federal debt and inflation.

The War on X,Y and Z affects me because the government has given itself the authority to do things it was never meant to have the authority to do. For instance, we all live under the threat of some level of law enforcement mistakenly busting into our houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing and/or murdering us in the name of the War on Drugs. We all live under the threat of the government secretly entering our homes without our knowledge and not even having to tell us in the name of the War on Terror. Many of us are paying confiscatory taxes in order to pay for income redistribution in the name of the war on poverty.

I guess in your eyes those Russians not murdered or sent to the Siberian gulags were not personally affected by the actions of their government either.

The fact that you think that you are immune to any abuses of government because you are "Mister Clean" does not mean that you have not been personally harmed, even if you are incapable of seeing it. Everyday this site, LP, FR and hundreds, if not thousands, of political forums post articles with examples of how the government at all level is abusing American citizens and you sit there are state that none of this affects you?

That poem is an answer. A direct answer to your attitude that just because the government isn't targeting you personally yet that you are not going to be personally affected at some point in the future.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: Mister Clean (#75)

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: LACUMO, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#77)

She married a Mexican.

I suppose you would ba bragging her up if it was a jew she married. You jews and jew lovers are against anyone who is for a government that governs by our Constitution. You neocons won't be happy until we have no freedoms.

LOL! It looks like the forum drunk has targeted you for his daily wrath rants today Prefrontal Vortex. LOL! Don't worry, he'll slink away after he pukes on his keyboard or shits himself.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

That's exactly what he is saying.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#83. To: Mister Clean (#64)

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Statist whores are very unlikeable. I don't believe that people who tell the truth and insist on the government telling the truth are unlikeable though.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#84. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred, then perfectly fell identically to a building set for demolition and with no visible structural damage otherwise, would truly believe everything that was spoon fed them about 9/11.

It takes someone with a lot of love for, and faith in, the government. Glad I was not saddled with that condition.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#65)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#86. To: Cynicom (#69)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#87. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#79)

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list.

Finally, an answer to my question.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   12:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#88. To: James Deffenbach (#80) (Edited)

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages. This additional pool of people (thank you Affirmative Action) helped to inflate the housing bubble. If someone can't see how the creation of government agencies such as these damage Americans, they really are hopeless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   12:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: tom007 (#70)

I remember when listening to the radio was a thrill. At nite you could even listen to KDKA or KMOX. Wow.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   12:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#90. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally.

What I said was, "I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about."

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   12:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#91. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred,

You are way out of bounds, using facts to buttress a position. Not nice.

Just because 7 was on live TV does not prove anything. So there.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   13:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages.

The housing collapse is much more complex than that.

Did the government play a role in the crisis? Absolutely. Is the government solely responsible for the crisis? Absolutely not.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   13:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#93. To: Mister Clean (#87)

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list.

Finally, an answer to my question.

The others were answers also. The difference between you and I appears to be that you believe that the foot of government on the neck of another has no bearing on your life, whereas I recognize that the foot that today rests on the neck of another very well may one day be the foot that rests on my own neck.

Also, I have refused to fly since the government implemented the TSA. I will not be treated like a criminal by overpaid and undereducated goons on power trips. Over the years I have driven everywhere I have needed to go. The only reason I know that my name is on the no-fly list is because my father was not allowed to fly and we have the same name. Therefore, according to your standard, I'm not being affected.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   14:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#94. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#82)

That's exactly what he is saying.

He needs a big, full dose of that government he loves so much. Maybe a no knock raid on his house and all his $#it tossed around like so much debris in a landfill would do it. Or maybe someone he is close to, assuming such a government lover loves anyone but the government, might have to get hurt or killed before he sees it. Or maybe some rogue cop will plant some evidence in his house for the precious War on Drugs. I always hope that government cheerleaders get reamed because of what they support.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   15:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#95. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages. This additional pool of people (thank you Affirmative Action) helped to inflate the housing bubble. If someone can't see how the creation of government agencies such as these damage Americans, they really are hopeless.

You will never get hopelessly retarded people to understand that when the government does something that has negative effects on one individual, or one group, and does so outside the bounds of the Constitution, that they could be next.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   15:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#96. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#81) (Edited)

LOL! It looks like the forum drunk has targeted you for his daily wrath rants today Prefrontal Vortex. LOL! Don't worry, he'll slink away after he pukes on his keyboard or shits himself.

You insignificant psychological piece of ingenuity. How dare you insinuate I would tolerate such ingorance. You irritate me to the point of regurgatation, I could slap your face.

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   17:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#97. To: LACUMO (#96)

I could slap your face.

LOL! I see you woke from you drunken stupor. That regurgitation feeling isn't me, it's the alcohol you insipid drunk. Did your boyfriend change your piss stained drawers for you after you woke up or are you still sitting in them?

Anytime you feel man enough to try and slap me, I live in Springfield, MO. I will be more than happy to accommodate you.

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

What? You mean a moronic drunk like you doesn't know who F.A. Hayek is? I'm shocked...NOT. You are the Homer Simpson of Freedom4um. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   17:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

LOL! That was a funny post. I have had that particular nut on my bozo filter for a long time and I seriously doubt I have missed anything. Your reply to him was good though.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   17:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

Hahahahaha ... they can't resist outing themselves ... "priceless"

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   17:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#100. To: James Deffenbach (#98)

LOL! That was a funny post. I have had that particular nut on my bozo filter for a long time and I seriously doubt I have missed anything. Your reply to him was good though.

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them. I used to ignore him until he decided one day to target me for not going out and killing government officials. Of course he never would tell me where all of the graves of those he's killed in his revolution are located. I've been screwing with him every since. It's fun.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   17:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#101. To: noone222 (#99)

Hahahahaha ... they can't resist outing themselves ... "priceless"

Google is just too much for some folks. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   18:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#102. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#93)

Also, I have refused to fly since the government implemented the TSA. I will not be treated like a criminal by overpaid and undereducated goons on power trips. Over the years I have driven everywhere I have needed to go. The only reason I know that my name is on the no-fly list is because my father was not allowed to fly and we have the same name. Therefore, according to your standard, I'm not being affected.

If you're voluntarily refusing to fly it doesn't matter if your name is on the no-fly list.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   18:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#103. To: FAGGOT ASS. Hayek Fan (#97) (Edited)

What? You mean a moronic drunk like you doesn't know who F.A. Hayek is? I'm shocked...NOT. You are the Homer Simpson of Freedom4um. LOL!

I know that the F A stands for FAGGOT ASS. Is a hayek fan some kind of disease or is it a jewish surname? From now on I will call you Faggot Ass.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   18:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#104. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

I live in Springfield, MO.

A couple of posters just sent me e-mails claiming you are a bone smoker and tried to get queer with them. Is it true or are they just telling me that because they know you are a weirdo? Are you ashamed to admit you are a queer? Y/N

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   18:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#105. To: LACUMO (#104)

Faggots, bone smokers and queers, oh my. In addition to being a drunk I see you also have a penis fixation. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   21:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#106. To: James Deffenbach (#84)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#107. To: Cynicom (#91)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   21:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#108. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#105)

Faggots, bone smokers and queers, oh my. In addition to being a drunk I see you also have a penis fixation. LOL!

You're the best example why abortion should be legal. I hear you don't know who your daddy is. Probably some faggot!

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   22:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#109. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#100)

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them. I used to ignore him until he decided one day to target me for not going out and killing government officials. Of course he never would tell me where all of the graves of those he's killed in his revolution are located. I've been screwing with him every since. It's fun.

Good for you. I guess it is one of those doubleplus secrets where all the graves are of the government officials he has dispatched.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   22:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#110. To: Eric Stratton (#106)

Condition

I could have said affliction. Think that would have been better? >(;^{]

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   22:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#111. To: James Deffenbach (#110)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   22:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#112. To: LACUMO (#108)

You're the best example why abortion should be legal.

I always knew you were a liberal. Of course that's par for the course with you Canadians.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   22:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#113. To: James Deffenbach (#83)

you are dealing with a short busser who would hang on every word his idol baalzabush uttered, the goofenheimer is a regular rotgut kinda guy.

computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-15   23:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#114. To: James Deffenbach (#109)

all the ones he kilt an whar theys burried are listed here

computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-15   23:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#115. To: James Deffenbach, F.A. Hayek Fan (#109)

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them.

Looks to me like some 12 year old who was able to use his mommies computer while he was out. Really to stupid to actually harrass anyone.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-16   5:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#116. To: IRTorqued (#113)

you are dealing with a short busser who would hang on every word his idol baalzabush uttered, the goofenheimer is a regular rotgut kinda guy.

Yeah, that is how it appears. Sad, there might have been some hope for him if he hadn't been thoroughly brain scrubbed.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#117. To: IRTorqued (#114)

Thanks for the link. I believe though, in the interests of truth, the link should go to a 404 error page because we both know he hasn't killed anyone unless he could kill them with his mouth.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#118. To: noone222 (#115)

Looks to me like some 12 year old who was able to use his mommies computer while he was out. Really to stupid to actually harrass anyone.

One of the reasons I put him on my bozo filter. I figured on the off chance that he might say something worthwhile, that was more than offset by the reams of bs that he posts.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#119. To: iconoclast (#0)

Ping for later.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2010-02-16   9:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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