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#43. To: noone222 (#39)

I bozo'ed that moron a long time ago and he ain't been in my house since !!!

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)

So by this comment can we assume that you are happy with the status and direction of the nation?

America isn't perfect but it's definitely not the nightmare some on this forum make it out to be.

The only ones that do not have anything to bitch about are neoconservatives and liberals, who, in actuality, one and the same.

What are you talking about?  Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about.  Randge confirmed that.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43) (Edited)

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

It does, it's just frowned on to shoot somebody who obviously needs it. Otherwise, Mudboy Slim, Yukon, Mad Dog, Liberator, et al would be long-since dead.

The moment it becomes acceptable to do so, however...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-15   9:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Samuel Gray (#45) (Edited)

In a way the aging process is a blessing. Everyone you mentioned, except -MUD-, has basically been erased from my hard drive. And about -MUD-, his ping list of dead or banned posters is priceless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mister Clean (#44)

What are you talking about? Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about. Randge confirmed that.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you? You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you? You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you? The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you? There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   9:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mister Clean (#44)

Mr. Queen of Denial's royal 'hear no/see no/speak no' hand maidens.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:00:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining.  The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post.  Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you?

It could one day but today, no.

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you?

Care to enlighten me by telling me how it's affecting me?

The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you?

No.

There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

Could you explain how you are affected personally by everything you don't like about government.  I would really like to read that.  But I stress, I want to know what is affecting you, not a list of general complaints.  How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

I wish a form of it existed in real life.

No shit, I'd disappear D.C. forever.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   10:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: noone222 (#39)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#42)

It is self delusion to believe that a pretty flower here and there is the actual representation of the entire plant.

You forgot a not..

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick ('uniter' = G.W.)

Bub  posted on  2010-02-15   10:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mister Clean (#41)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#42)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mister Clean (#44)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Samuel Gray (#45)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred, then perfectly fell identically to a building set for demolition and with no visible structural damage otherwise, would truly believe everything that was spoon fed them about 9/11.

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist believes in 9/11 "truth."

The conspiracy theory you cling to and the movement behind it are dead.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: your_neighbor (#4)

hese Wall Street Journal assholes thoughts about the Truthers

The WSJ's editorial staff may as well be the leaders of the Likud party.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Mister Clean (#34)

Mister Clean wrote -

What you and the rest of the "truthers" don't realize is that your self righteous, know it all, arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who dares to doubt

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

I agree with you on the rank and file individual Jewish people. I worked for a really cool guy who is in his nineties now who owned a restaurant locally in the 80s named Lenny's Nosh Bar who used to own an art gallery near Height and Ashbury in the 60s. And I have one friend who is retired because he's disabled who used to be the head homeless people advocate at White Bird Clinic.

Not to mention I've dated a few very delightful Jewish lasses when I was younger.

There is one I know now whom I can't stand the sight of. He is a short, nasty New Yorker who hear me slam Zionism at a local watering hole of a coffee shop who started imposing his pro Israeli crap on me whenever he saw me.

I had to tattoo a bagel around an eye with a fist before he realized this was dumb to do. He nearly got it again at a local cyber café he and I frequent when he interrupted me to speak to a friend of mine I was speaking to.

He started in that, "I supported the butchery of good decent Israelis by Palestinian monsters." I swear I can fit one of the joint's Pentium 4s down his throat. If he doesn't watch out, I give it a try to see if this is possible.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Mister Queen is one of those people that thinks he's 100% right but accuses others of being that way,

Exactly.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: tom007 (#61)

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

I'm describing one of the main reasons why "truthers" have gotten nowhere with their conspiracy theory.

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Mister Clean (#49)

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining. The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post. Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

Spend 15 seconds on ANY political forum, regardless of the ideology and you will see the same thing.

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

"First they came for the homeowners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the businessmen and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the gun owners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

Hell, you can't even recognize the harmful effect deficit spending has on you, so no, I do not believe I will waste anymore of my time. This is America and you are free to believe whatever you want.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#65)

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

A poem is not an answer. What a cop out. I'm not surprised. You are unable to list how you have been personally harmed by the things you complain about.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

So I'm sorry, but I cannot reasonably hold them accountable.

Good for you. I think we need to use precise words for these controversial issues.

There are those who would argue that, as co religionists, all Jews are responsible for what something like 10% advocate.

By this reasoning, and I am not saying it's wrong, then the butt bomber was justified in trying to blow up the jetliner last Christmas because it was filled with people who supported the government that is killing innocents in the ME.

It is a difficult subject. By using precise language we can at least minimize confusion.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

What are you talking about? Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

Neocons bitch just as much, or haven't you ever listened to the daily bitch, whine, piss, and moan sessions sponsored by Lameblow, Hammity, and their wannabes?!

Absolutely. The talk radio here is nothing but fear, hysteria and bellyaching.

And I do mean nothing but.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: tom007 (#68)

Absolutely. The talk radio here is nothing but fear, hysteria and bellyaching.

Damn.

You still listening to the radio????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   11:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#69)

I monitor it, Cyni.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Mister Clean (#66)

A poem is not an answer. What a cop out. I'm not surprised. You are unable to list how you have been personally harmed by the things you complain about.

You're such a statist slave that you can't even understand (or admit to yourself) how something as simple as deficit spending affects you on a personal level. If you cannot understand that then going any further is a waste of my time. You go ahead and continue to ignore what is going on around you and sing the joys of government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#71)

You're such a statist slave that you can't even understand (or admit to yourself) how something as simple as deficit spending affects you on a personal level. If you cannot understand that then going any further is a waste of my time.

I asked YOU how are actions/policies of the government  effecting YOU personally.

Why are you having so much trouble responding to that question?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#8)

Having already donated to Medina, to my mind, she has to make a decision to send a clear cut message as to her stance as to who owns and operates this government.

She already has.

Now we know what libertarian Hope looks like.

Of course she started her own business, at which her husband now works.

She married a Mexican.

The only real problem anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't adopt Haitians.

They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible."

THAT is not our problem.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-02-15   11:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mister Clean (#72)

I asked YOU how are actions/policies of the government effecting YOU personally.

Why are you having so much trouble responding to that question?

For one I have already answered your question. Anytime the government policies abuse ANY citizen, it affects you or me. Secondly, I'm not here to teach you economics.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#74)

For one I have already answered your question.

No you haven't. You responded with a poem.

If, for example, the Kelo decision (which you referenced earlier) has harmed you, you would be able to say that you lost property to the state because of that law. See, that's what an example looks like.  Here's another:  if you were unfairly placed on the no-fly list, that would be an example of how you personally have been effected by government policy.  Do you understand what a personal example is now?  

A poem does not explain how you personally have been harmed. You won't answer the question because you can't and I knew you couldn't.

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: tom007 (#60)

The WSJ's editorial staff may as well be the leaders of the Likud party.

Amen!

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-15   11:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#73)

She married a Mexican.

I suppose you would ba bragging her up if it was a jew she married. You jews and jew lovers are against anyone who is for a government that governs by our Constitution. You neocons won't be happy until we have no freedoms.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   12:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: tom007 (#60)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Mister Clean (#75)

No you haven't. You responded with a poem.

If, for example, the Kelo decision (which you referenced earlier) has harmed you, you would be able to say that you lost property to the state because of that law. See, that's what an example looks like. Here's another: if you were unfairly placed on the no-fly list, that would be an example of how you personally have been effected by government policy. Do you understand what a personal example is now?

A poem does not explain how you personally have been harmed. You won't answer the question because you can't and I knew you couldn't.

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

I am personally harmed by the Kelo Decision by the simple fact that the government now has the ability to take my property from me and give it to someone else in order to provide them with more tax revenue. The fact that it hasn't happened does not remove the threat.

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list. Considering there are several hundred people in this country with my exact name, we are ALL personally affected. This is my payment for fifteen years of military service and my dad's payment for thirty years.

As for how free drugs for geezers affects me, take an economics class or Google deficit spending, federal debt and inflation.

The War on X,Y and Z affects me because the government has given itself the authority to do things it was never meant to have the authority to do. For instance, we all live under the threat of some level of law enforcement mistakenly busting into our houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing and/or murdering us in the name of the War on Drugs. We all live under the threat of the government secretly entering our homes without our knowledge and not even having to tell us in the name of the War on Terror. Many of us are paying confiscatory taxes in order to pay for income redistribution in the name of the war on poverty.

I guess in your eyes those Russians not murdered or sent to the Siberian gulags were not personally affected by the actions of their government either.

The fact that you think that you are immune to any abuses of government because you are "Mister Clean" does not mean that you have not been personally harmed, even if you are incapable of seeing it. Everyday this site, LP, FR and hundreds, if not thousands, of political forums post articles with examples of how the government at all level is abusing American citizens and you sit there are state that none of this affects you?

That poem is an answer. A direct answer to your attitude that just because the government isn't targeting you personally yet that you are not going to be personally affected at some point in the future.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mister Clean (#75)

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: LACUMO, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#77)

She married a Mexican.

I suppose you would ba bragging her up if it was a jew she married. You jews and jew lovers are against anyone who is for a government that governs by our Constitution. You neocons won't be happy until we have no freedoms.

LOL! It looks like the forum drunk has targeted you for his daily wrath rants today Prefrontal Vortex. LOL! Don't worry, he'll slink away after he pukes on his keyboard or shits himself.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

That's exactly what he is saying.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Mister Clean (#64)

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Statist whores are very unlikeable. I don't believe that people who tell the truth and insist on the government telling the truth are unlikeable though.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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