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Title: Talking about Debra Medina "The New Sarah Palin" on Fox (Video)
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Published: Feb 15, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-02-15 00:33:56 by christine
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#1. To: christine (#0)

Thanks. This is a great video. I wish I knew who those commentators are especially the guy with the English accent who sneared at 911 Truthers.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2010-02-15   2:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

Traficant has been unable to speak the word "Jew", lets see if Medina also tippy toes around the word.

If she does we can add her to the Palin cheering squad.

Goys never learn, they live in subservient fear all their public lives, of being termed anti semite.

Just what the Jews want.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   4:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

If she does we can add her to the Palin cheering squad.

Palin is a thoroughbred zionazi whereas Medina hasn't shown herself to be so enthusiastic.

There are so many ignorant white Christian voters that would perceive even a fair assessment of the zionist political agenda as an attack not only on Jews, but on freedom of religion, that any viable candidate would commit political suicide by making careless statements that would be better left unsaid.

Truth is the Talmudists "hate" Jesus but patronize Christian beliefs because it serves their political purposes to have Christian boys and girls kill and be killed for their cause.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   5:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

These Wall Street Journal assholes thoughts about the Truthers are the exact opposite of their devotion to the Jewish.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-15   6:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

I think it's unfortunate that Stuart Varney and the rest of the "smearists" use the term "truther" in this context.

It makes me think they are against "the truth" since "truthers" are so awful and ridiculous in their minds. "Liars" are always to be preferred in their world.

It fits Faux News, though. All propaganda, all the time. "We" "distort"; "You" "abide."

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2010-02-15   7:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0)

Talking about Debra Medina "The New Sarah Palin" on Fox

The difference between Palin and Medina is that Palin was actually elected a governor.

Medina will not be.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#3)

The olde saying is that "half a loaf is better than no loaf"...

Having already donated to Medina, to my mind, she has to make a decision to send a clear cut message as to her stance as to who owns and operates this government.

Going along to get along or going along to be nice will not suffice for Americans. We already have an over abundance of those people already.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   8:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mister Clean (#6)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

While I'm not jumping on any kind of "Medina for POTUS" bandwagon yet, there are clearly more differences between Medina and Palin already.

Medina for POTUS? That's a bandwagon to nowhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Horse (#1)

I wish I knew who those commentators are especially the guy with the English accent who sneared at 911 Truthers.

Stuart Varney.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   8:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Sam Houston (#5)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Mister Clean (#10)

Medina for POTUS? That's a bandwagon to nowhere.

All our conventional politicians have put this country on a bandwagon to nowhere, so that wouldn't be much of a change in course now, would it?.

randge  posted on  2010-02-15   8:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

IMO it is entirely possible to impugn those guilty and not needing to raise the notion that they're Jewish to do so.

I'm fine with that !!!

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   8:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#8)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: randge (#14)

All our conventional politicians have put this country on a bandwagon to nowhere, so that wouldn't be much of a change in course now, would it?.

Setting aside taxes, which I think we can all agree are too high, I would like to know what the conventional politicians have done to you personally? Are you going nowhere or do you just see the country as going nowhere?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mister Clean (#10)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

Something's going to have to happen to crack the veneer on the entire 9/11 cover-up, and beyond what's been done obviously, to get people to think that perhaps the wizard really isn't the image that's being flashed on the curtain.

9/11 "truth" is definitely a bandwagon to nowhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222 (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mister Clean (#19)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Mister Clean (#17)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Eric Stratton (#18)

Gee, really, ya think. [rolling eyes] POTUS candidates obviously have to be anti-liberty, and so far she's not. So yeah, that pretty much excludes her.

I guess you won't be joining that Medina for POTUS bandwagon then. Wise decision.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#11)

IMO it is entirely possible to impugn those guilty and not needing to raise the notion that they're Jewish to do so.

The best tactic is to go after their programs (open borders, pro 2nd amendment and high property taxes in the case of Medina) and those who promote the agenda will expose themselves.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   8:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

What do you mean by that?

I contend that the 9/11 "truth" movement is effectively dead; it's stagnant. It peaked with the popularity of "Loose Change" but has gone nowhere since.

You can wish and hope all you want for the "cover up" to be exposed but you are only wasting your time and energy.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Mister Clean (#23)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#22)

Dude, are you serious?!!!

Yes, it's a serious question.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

Do you think that you're capable of sticking to the primary points and core issues of discussions?

I'm responding to your comments as you were the one who brought up the idea of a "Medina for POTUS" bandwagon.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   8:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mister Clean (#25)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mister Clean (#28)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mister Clean (#27)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   8:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mister Clean (#17)

Setting aside taxes, which I think we can all agree are too high, I would like to know what the conventional politicians have done to you personally? Are you going nowhere or do you just see the country as going nowhere?

Doing fine thanks, and so is the area of the country where I live - at least for the time being - as unemployment is just beginning to take a bite out of our well-being.

In most of the rest of the country, things aren't so rosy, and people in parts of the country that I've lived are really bitchin' about the state of affairs they're in. Our debt to GDP is just about 100% and growing, and we're looking at deficits far into the forseeable future. Right now, it looks like we're about to do what the Japanese have done and are locking ourselves into a permanent state of recession.

Given the two-party death dance taking place in DC, nothing's going to be fixed soon.

randge  posted on  2010-02-15   9:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eric Stratton (#29)

IMO as our nation begins to crumble, and the police state begins to emerge far more clearly, then people will begin to question. While the formal movement may then be dead, the notion that it was largely bullshit will begin to settle in the minds of the sheep.

They get it, unfortunately it's often as they're standing in line to get their throats slit.

Gosh, what a drama queen you are. Oh the poor sheep only realizing the "truth" as they're being slaughtered!

You're one of those people who claims some great love of the nation but derides the population as "sheep" because they don't agree with you on 9/11. Nice.

What you and the rest of the "truthers" don't realize is that your self righteous, know it all, arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who dares to doubt your stupid conspiracy theory is one of the main reasons why your movement is dead. People don't like you "truthers" because of your foul attitude.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: randge (#32)

Doing fine thanks

Okay so you're doing fine but you never pass up a chance to whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize the status and direction of the nation.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mister Clean (#34)

That's right.

randge  posted on  2010-02-15   9:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mister Clean (#34)


The only real restraint on gummints is people who say "live free or die" ... and mean it. - Enderby

Critter  posted on  2010-02-15   9:30:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mister Clean (#33)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   9:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mister Clean, All (#34)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   9:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

I'm more discriminating than you ... I bozo'ed that moron a long time ago and he ain't been in my house since !!!

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   9:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mister Clean (#34)

Okay so you're doing fine but you never pass up a chance to whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize the status and direction of the nation.

So by this comment can we assume that you are happy with the status and direction of the nation?

It seems to me that the country has been moving slowly, but steadily leftward since the late thirties, with the exception of a few small speed bumps along the way (Eisenhower and Reagan), and some would argue that I'm wrong on their account and there have been no speed bump at all.

From where I stand, conservatives, libertarians, paleoconservatives and classical liberals all have something to "whine about, bitch about, complain about or criticize."

The only ones that do not have anything to bitch about are neoconservatives and liberals, who, in actuality, one and the same.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   9:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Mister Queen is one of those people that thinks he's 100% right

I am 100% right about you "truthers."

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

IMO it is entirely possible to impugn those guilty and not needing to raise the notion that they're Jewish to do so.

In my opinion, that is not possible.

It is the unseen root of the plant that nourishes the entire visible plant itself. It is self delusion to believe that a pretty flower here and there is the actual representation of the entire plant.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   9:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#39)

I bozo'ed that moron a long time ago and he ain't been in my house since !!!

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#40)

So by this comment can we assume that you are happy with the status and direction of the nation?

America isn't perfect but it's definitely not the nightmare some on this forum make it out to be.

The only ones that do not have anything to bitch about are neoconservatives and liberals, who, in actuality, one and the same.

What are you talking about?  Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about.  Randge confirmed that.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   9:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43) (Edited)

It's quite a lovely feature, isn't it? I wish a form of it existed in real life.

It does, it's just frowned on to shoot somebody who obviously needs it. Otherwise, Mudboy Slim, Yukon, Mad Dog, Liberator, et al would be long-since dead.

The moment it becomes acceptable to do so, however...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-02-15   9:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Samuel Gray (#45) (Edited)

In a way the aging process is a blessing. Everyone you mentioned, except -MUD-, has basically been erased from my hard drive. And about -MUD-, his ping list of dead or banned posters is priceless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   9:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mister Clean (#44)

What are you talking about? Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

I asked randge the question because I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about. Randge confirmed that.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you? You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you? You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you? The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you? There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   9:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mister Clean (#44)

Mr. Queen of Denial's royal 'hear no/see no/speak no' hand maidens.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:00:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

Right. Anyone that doesn't sing the glories of the state is a liberal. Gotcha.

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining.  The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post.  Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

You do not believe that Kelo vs. New London affects you?

It could one day but today, no.

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

You do not believe the governmental abuses of the commerce clause affect you?

Care to enlighten me by telling me how it's affecting me?

The continued infringements upon the Bill of Rights in the name of the War on X, Y, or Z affects you?

No.

There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of decisions made by the government that affect you. You do not have to be lying dead in a field or rotting in prison to be affected by the decisions of government.

Could you explain how you are affected personally by everything you don't like about government.  I would really like to read that.  But I stress, I want to know what is affecting you, not a list of general complaints.  How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

 

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

I wish a form of it existed in real life.

No shit, I'd disappear D.C. forever.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   10:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: noone222 (#39)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#42)

It is self delusion to believe that a pretty flower here and there is the actual representation of the entire plant.

You forgot a not..

"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick ('uniter' = G.W.)

Bub  posted on  2010-02-15   10:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mister Clean (#41)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#42)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mister Clean (#44)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Samuel Gray (#45)

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#58. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#47)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   10:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred, then perfectly fell identically to a building set for demolition and with no visible structural damage otherwise, would truly believe everything that was spoon fed them about 9/11.

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist believes in 9/11 "truth."

The conspiracy theory you cling to and the movement behind it are dead.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   10:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: your_neighbor (#4)

hese Wall Street Journal assholes thoughts about the Truthers

The WSJ's editorial staff may as well be the leaders of the Likud party.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Mister Clean (#34)

Mister Clean wrote -

What you and the rest of the "truthers" don't realize is that your self righteous, know it all, arrogant, condescending attitude to anyone who dares to doubt

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

I agree with you on the rank and file individual Jewish people. I worked for a really cool guy who is in his nineties now who owned a restaurant locally in the 80s named Lenny's Nosh Bar who used to own an art gallery near Height and Ashbury in the 60s. And I have one friend who is retired because he's disabled who used to be the head homeless people advocate at White Bird Clinic.

Not to mention I've dated a few very delightful Jewish lasses when I was younger.

There is one I know now whom I can't stand the sight of. He is a short, nasty New Yorker who hear me slam Zionism at a local watering hole of a coffee shop who started imposing his pro Israeli crap on me whenever he saw me.

I had to tattoo a bagel around an eye with a fist before he realized this was dumb to do. He nearly got it again at a local cyber café he and I frequent when he interrupted me to speak to a friend of mine I was speaking to.

He started in that, "I supported the butchery of good decent Israelis by Palestinian monsters." I swear I can fit one of the joint's Pentium 4s down his throat. If he doesn't watch out, I give it a try to see if this is possible.


Ric O’Barry -- Earth Island Institute

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eric Stratton (#38)

Mister Queen is one of those people that thinks he's 100% right but accuses others of being that way,

Exactly.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   10:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: tom007 (#61)

MC describes his world view quite well in the above.

I'm describing one of the main reasons why "truthers" have gotten nowhere with their conspiracy theory.

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Mister Clean (#49)

Spend 15 seconds on democraticunderground.com and you'll see nothing but liberal whining and complaining. The same is true for the dailykos and huffington post. Whining and complaining is the default position of a liberal.

Spend 15 seconds on ANY political forum, regardless of the ideology and you will see the same thing.

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

"First they came for the homeowners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the businessmen and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for the gun owners and I did not speak out because it did not affect me.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

You do not believe free drugs for geezers effects you?

No.

Hell, you can't even recognize the harmful effect deficit spending has on you, so no, I do not believe I will waste anymore of my time. This is America and you are free to believe whatever you want.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#65)

How has YOUR life been harmed by government actions.

Let me paraphrase a famous poem to answer that:

A poem is not an answer. What a cop out. I'm not surprised. You are unable to list how you have been personally harmed by the things you complain about.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Eric Stratton (#54)

So I'm sorry, but I cannot reasonably hold them accountable.

Good for you. I think we need to use precise words for these controversial issues.

There are those who would argue that, as co religionists, all Jews are responsible for what something like 10% advocate.

By this reasoning, and I am not saying it's wrong, then the butt bomber was justified in trying to blow up the jetliner last Christmas because it was filled with people who supported the government that is killing innocents in the ME.

It is a difficult subject. By using precise language we can at least minimize confusion.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

What are you talking about? Liberals bitch and whine more than anyone!

Neocons bitch just as much, or haven't you ever listened to the daily bitch, whine, piss, and moan sessions sponsored by Lameblow, Hammity, and their wannabes?!

Absolutely. The talk radio here is nothing but fear, hysteria and bellyaching.

And I do mean nothing but.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: tom007 (#68)

Absolutely. The talk radio here is nothing but fear, hysteria and bellyaching.

Damn.

You still listening to the radio????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   11:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#69)

I monitor it, Cyni.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-02-15   11:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Mister Clean (#66)

A poem is not an answer. What a cop out. I'm not surprised. You are unable to list how you have been personally harmed by the things you complain about.

You're such a statist slave that you can't even understand (or admit to yourself) how something as simple as deficit spending affects you on a personal level. If you cannot understand that then going any further is a waste of my time. You go ahead and continue to ignore what is going on around you and sing the joys of government.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#71)

You're such a statist slave that you can't even understand (or admit to yourself) how something as simple as deficit spending affects you on a personal level. If you cannot understand that then going any further is a waste of my time.

I asked YOU how are actions/policies of the government  effecting YOU personally.

Why are you having so much trouble responding to that question?

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#8)

Having already donated to Medina, to my mind, she has to make a decision to send a clear cut message as to her stance as to who owns and operates this government.

She already has.

Now we know what libertarian Hope looks like.

Of course she started her own business, at which her husband now works.

She married a Mexican.

The only real problem anti-immigration types have with the non-whites already here is that they won't adopt Haitians.

They "refuse to assimilate." Their "culture is incompatible."

THAT is not our problem.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-02-15   11:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mister Clean (#72)

I asked YOU how are actions/policies of the government effecting YOU personally.

Why are you having so much trouble responding to that question?

For one I have already answered your question. Anytime the government policies abuse ANY citizen, it affects you or me. Secondly, I'm not here to teach you economics.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   11:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#74)

For one I have already answered your question.

No you haven't. You responded with a poem.

If, for example, the Kelo decision (which you referenced earlier) has harmed you, you would be able to say that you lost property to the state because of that law. See, that's what an example looks like.  Here's another:  if you were unfairly placed on the no-fly list, that would be an example of how you personally have been effected by government policy.  Do you understand what a personal example is now?  

A poem does not explain how you personally have been harmed. You won't answer the question because you can't and I knew you couldn't.

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   11:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: tom007 (#60)

The WSJ's editorial staff may as well be the leaders of the Likud party.

Amen!

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-02-15   11:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#73)

She married a Mexican.

I suppose you would ba bragging her up if it was a jew she married. You jews and jew lovers are against anyone who is for a government that governs by our Constitution. You neocons won't be happy until we have no freedoms.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   12:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: tom007 (#60)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Mister Clean (#75)

No you haven't. You responded with a poem.

If, for example, the Kelo decision (which you referenced earlier) has harmed you, you would be able to say that you lost property to the state because of that law. See, that's what an example looks like. Here's another: if you were unfairly placed on the no-fly list, that would be an example of how you personally have been effected by government policy. Do you understand what a personal example is now?

A poem does not explain how you personally have been harmed. You won't answer the question because you can't and I knew you couldn't.

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

I am personally harmed by the Kelo Decision by the simple fact that the government now has the ability to take my property from me and give it to someone else in order to provide them with more tax revenue. The fact that it hasn't happened does not remove the threat.

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list. Considering there are several hundred people in this country with my exact name, we are ALL personally affected. This is my payment for fifteen years of military service and my dad's payment for thirty years.

As for how free drugs for geezers affects me, take an economics class or Google deficit spending, federal debt and inflation.

The War on X,Y and Z affects me because the government has given itself the authority to do things it was never meant to have the authority to do. For instance, we all live under the threat of some level of law enforcement mistakenly busting into our houses in the middle of the night and terrorizing and/or murdering us in the name of the War on Drugs. We all live under the threat of the government secretly entering our homes without our knowledge and not even having to tell us in the name of the War on Terror. Many of us are paying confiscatory taxes in order to pay for income redistribution in the name of the war on poverty.

I guess in your eyes those Russians not murdered or sent to the Siberian gulags were not personally affected by the actions of their government either.

The fact that you think that you are immune to any abuses of government because you are "Mister Clean" does not mean that you have not been personally harmed, even if you are incapable of seeing it. Everyday this site, LP, FR and hundreds, if not thousands, of political forums post articles with examples of how the government at all level is abusing American citizens and you sit there are state that none of this affects you?

That poem is an answer. A direct answer to your attitude that just because the government isn't targeting you personally yet that you are not going to be personally affected at some point in the future.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mister Clean (#75)

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: LACUMO, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#77)

She married a Mexican.

I suppose you would ba bragging her up if it was a jew she married. You jews and jew lovers are against anyone who is for a government that governs by our Constitution. You neocons won't be happy until we have no freedoms.

LOL! It looks like the forum drunk has targeted you for his daily wrath rants today Prefrontal Vortex. LOL! Don't worry, he'll slink away after he pukes on his keyboard or shits himself.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally. What a crock of $#it!

That's exactly what he is saying.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   12:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Mister Clean (#64)

9/11 "truthers" are extremely unlikeable.

Statist whores are very unlikeable. I don't believe that people who tell the truth and insist on the government telling the truth are unlikeable though.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred, then perfectly fell identically to a building set for demolition and with no visible structural damage otherwise, would truly believe everything that was spoon fed them about 9/11.

It takes someone with a lot of love for, and faith in, the government. Glad I was not saddled with that condition.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   12:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#65)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Cynicom (#69)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   12:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#79)

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list.

Finally, an answer to my question.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   12:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: James Deffenbach (#80) (Edited)

Rarely are people who complain about the government able to provide a personal example of how they've been harmed.

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages. This additional pool of people (thank you Affirmative Action) helped to inflate the housing bubble. If someone can't see how the creation of government agencies such as these damage Americans, they really are hopeless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-02-15   12:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: tom007 (#70)

I remember when listening to the radio was a thrill. At nite you could even listen to KDKA or KMOX. Wow.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   12:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: James Deffenbach (#80)

So you are saying that any government policy is ok so long as it has no ill effects on you personally.

What I said was, "I believe that most people who bitch, whine and complain about the country aren't being personally harmed by the things they bitch about."

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   12:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Eric Stratton (#53)

Only a moron, fool, or propagandist, cognizant of the fact that the WT7 was announced well before it actually occurred,

You are way out of bounds, using facts to buttress a position. Not nice.

Just because 7 was on live TV does not prove anything. So there.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-02-15   13:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages.

The housing collapse is much more complex than that.

Did the government play a role in the crisis? Absolutely. Is the government solely responsible for the crisis? Absolutely not.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   13:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Mister Clean (#87)

As I have stated on this site before, my name IS on the no fly list.

Finally, an answer to my question.

The others were answers also. The difference between you and I appears to be that you believe that the foot of government on the neck of another has no bearing on your life, whereas I recognize that the foot that today rests on the neck of another very well may one day be the foot that rests on my own neck.

Also, I have refused to fly since the government implemented the TSA. I will not be treated like a criminal by overpaid and undereducated goons on power trips. Over the years I have driven everywhere I have needed to go. The only reason I know that my name is on the no-fly list is because my father was not allowed to fly and we have the same name. Therefore, according to your standard, I'm not being affected.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   14:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#82)

That's exactly what he is saying.

He needs a big, full dose of that government he loves so much. Maybe a no knock raid on his house and all his $#it tossed around like so much debris in a landfill would do it. Or maybe someone he is close to, assuming such a government lover loves anyone but the government, might have to get hurt or killed before he sees it. Or maybe some rogue cop will plant some evidence in his house for the precious War on Drugs. I always hope that government cheerleaders get reamed because of what they support.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   15:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Ah....the creation of FMae and FMac, and their continued funding with US tax dollars, has all but collapsed the housing market by allowing unqualified minorities no documentation mortgages. This additional pool of people (thank you Affirmative Action) helped to inflate the housing bubble. If someone can't see how the creation of government agencies such as these damage Americans, they really are hopeless.

You will never get hopelessly retarded people to understand that when the government does something that has negative effects on one individual, or one group, and does so outside the bounds of the Constitution, that they could be next.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   15:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Prefrontal Vortex, Cynicom (#81) (Edited)

LOL! It looks like the forum drunk has targeted you for his daily wrath rants today Prefrontal Vortex. LOL! Don't worry, he'll slink away after he pukes on his keyboard or shits himself.

You insignificant psychological piece of ingenuity. How dare you insinuate I would tolerate such ingorance. You irritate me to the point of regurgatation, I could slap your face.

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   17:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: LACUMO (#96)

I could slap your face.

LOL! I see you woke from you drunken stupor. That regurgitation feeling isn't me, it's the alcohol you insipid drunk. Did your boyfriend change your piss stained drawers for you after you woke up or are you still sitting in them?

Anytime you feel man enough to try and slap me, I live in Springfield, MO. I will be more than happy to accommodate you.

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

What? You mean a moronic drunk like you doesn't know who F.A. Hayek is? I'm shocked...NOT. You are the Homer Simpson of Freedom4um. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   17:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

LOL! That was a funny post. I have had that particular nut on my bozo filter for a long time and I seriously doubt I have missed anything. Your reply to him was good though.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   17:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

What the hell is a hayek fan anyway?

Hahahahaha ... they can't resist outing themselves ... "priceless"

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-15   17:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: James Deffenbach (#98)

LOL! That was a funny post. I have had that particular nut on my bozo filter for a long time and I seriously doubt I have missed anything. Your reply to him was good though.

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them. I used to ignore him until he decided one day to target me for not going out and killing government officials. Of course he never would tell me where all of the graves of those he's killed in his revolution are located. I've been screwing with him every since. It's fun.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   17:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: noone222 (#99)

Hahahahaha ... they can't resist outing themselves ... "priceless"

Google is just too much for some folks. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   18:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#93)

Also, I have refused to fly since the government implemented the TSA. I will not be treated like a criminal by overpaid and undereducated goons on power trips. Over the years I have driven everywhere I have needed to go. The only reason I know that my name is on the no-fly list is because my father was not allowed to fly and we have the same name. Therefore, according to your standard, I'm not being affected.

If you're voluntarily refusing to fly it doesn't matter if your name is on the no-fly list.

Mister Clean  posted on  2010-02-15   18:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: FAGGOT ASS. Hayek Fan (#97) (Edited)

What? You mean a moronic drunk like you doesn't know who F.A. Hayek is? I'm shocked...NOT. You are the Homer Simpson of Freedom4um. LOL!

I know that the F A stands for FAGGOT ASS. Is a hayek fan some kind of disease or is it a jewish surname? From now on I will call you Faggot Ass.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   18:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#97)

I live in Springfield, MO.

A couple of posters just sent me e-mails claiming you are a bone smoker and tried to get queer with them. Is it true or are they just telling me that because they know you are a weirdo? Are you ashamed to admit you are a queer? Y/N

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   18:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: LACUMO (#104)

Faggots, bone smokers and queers, oh my. In addition to being a drunk I see you also have a penis fixation. LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   21:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: James Deffenbach (#84)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#91)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   21:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#105)

Faggots, bone smokers and queers, oh my. In addition to being a drunk I see you also have a penis fixation. LOL!

You're the best example why abortion should be legal. I hear you don't know who your daddy is. Probably some faggot!

LACUMO  posted on  2010-02-15   22:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#100)

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them. I used to ignore him until he decided one day to target me for not going out and killing government officials. Of course he never would tell me where all of the graves of those he's killed in his revolution are located. I've been screwing with him every since. It's fun.

Good for you. I guess it is one of those doubleplus secrets where all the graves are of the government officials he has dispatched.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   22:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Eric Stratton (#106)

Condition

I could have said affliction. Think that would have been better? >(;^{]

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-15   22:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: James Deffenbach (#110)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-02-15   22:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: LACUMO (#108)

You're the best example why abortion should be legal.

I always knew you were a liberal. Of course that's par for the course with you Canadians.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-02-15   22:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: James Deffenbach (#83)

you are dealing with a short busser who would hang on every word his idol baalzabush uttered, the goofenheimer is a regular rotgut kinda guy.


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-15   23:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: James Deffenbach (#109)

all the ones he kilt an whar theys burried are listed here


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-02-15   23:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: James Deffenbach, F.A. Hayek Fan (#109)

I noticed that he likes to show up every now and then and randomly pick some unsuspecting poster and begin harassing them.

Looks to me like some 12 year old who was able to use his mommies computer while he was out. Really to stupid to actually harrass anyone.

Whoever would return government to the "will of the people" must first return the United States to the use of CONSTITUTIONAL COINAGE as a medium of exchange and through it return the Constitution as law in the United States.

noone222  posted on  2010-02-16   5:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: IRTorqued (#113)

you are dealing with a short busser who would hang on every word his idol baalzabush uttered, the goofenheimer is a regular rotgut kinda guy.

Yeah, that is how it appears. Sad, there might have been some hope for him if he hadn't been thoroughly brain scrubbed.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: IRTorqued (#114)

Thanks for the link. I believe though, in the interests of truth, the link should go to a 404 error page because we both know he hasn't killed anyone unless he could kill them with his mouth.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: noone222 (#115)

Looks to me like some 12 year old who was able to use his mommies computer while he was out. Really to stupid to actually harrass anyone.

One of the reasons I put him on my bozo filter. I figured on the off chance that he might say something worthwhile, that was more than offset by the reams of bs that he posts.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-02-16   8:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: iconoclast (#0)

Ping for later.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats

iconoclast  posted on  2010-02-16   9:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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